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Re: The Midas Touch- A Balanced Approach To Biblical Prosperity - Kenneth Hagin by Nobody: 4:29pm On Oct 30, 2014
trustman:


Now you are behaving true to type.
Why do you ALWAYS find it difficult to give direct responses to questions you are asked?

You now want to send me on a wild goose chase, Abi?
Now, you refer to my post during the e-grace convention to know the answer to your above question.
It is easy, just click on my profile, i am the original poster.cheesy
Re: The Midas Touch- A Balanced Approach To Biblical Prosperity - Kenneth Hagin by BabaGnoni: 9:15pm On Oct 30, 2014


Vooks and WinsomeX, you obviously DID NOT GET to see the above before it got hidden

Well, it was meant to be hidden because ever since we've got our tongues back, we've become willing to talk, our voices are now cheerful, good-humored and lively. We now have discovered expressing ourselves boldly and accurately - and that's without been nervous or intimated anymore
Excellent! Mission accomplised, we used our serpent ace card to gain a decisive advantage

I wonder why are refusing to face the truth about the strange, especially in an unsettling way, special anointing (i.e. the Holy Ghost Laughter) "Baba" starred in along with Copeland, Leroy and others of the WoF cartel.

Something, a sense of self-preservation, is preventing us from watching those "Baba" videos. The instinct is to act in our own best interest to protect ourself and ensure our survival

Denial can be a scary and very sad thing to witness especially in someone that you love or care about. Whilst in denial we've consoled ourselves with keeping up the fiction, and upping it with another strange 3-hour suggestive intoxication fiction, but we know the Truth is stranger than Fiction.

We are living in a state of denial. We are trying hard to avoid watching the videos, cautioning ourselves, but not knowing that we wont be able to get rid of these demons, until we confront our fears and watch the damning video.

Anything else than watching those "Baba" Michael Jackson Thriller laughing videos, is delaying our ability to deal with it in a grown-up manner by admitting truth about it
It is a comic dramatic work using buffoonery, clowning and ludicrously improbable prophecy and not prophecy allegedly fulfilled before the eyes of those in seating as claimed by "Baba"

Laughter is the best medicine, we all know so to suggest it is about recruiting some Christians to deride laughter with the vain hope that the weapon will be dropped is drivel and double talk.

"Baba" had previously "prophesied" (i.e. this prophecy he made, is captured on video as well) about a new wave of anointing that will sweep and move across the country and the world at large

Seems a shame that a great deal of effort was put into this "new wave of anointing that will sweep and move across the country and the world at large"
which incidentally looks like laughing con-men, laughing at magas and the magas money stashed up in bank vaults - that is the sad reality of this drunken farce

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Re: The Midas Touch- A Balanced Approach To Biblical Prosperity - Kenneth Hagin by WinsomeX: 9:24pm On Oct 30, 2014
Bidam:
You explained away scriptures by bringing irrelevances like kundalini and being a God, these are weak and lame opinions you read from folks against spiritual gifts.

Unfortunately, you still cannot transcend that thought level of people against you. Kudalini is not news. Use google, try wikipedia, its all there. Many people who recorded their experiences of the Kudalini were adherents of the practice themselves and like I said, quite similar to the experience you narrated.

As for the you are gods doctrine, we have someone here who was affirming it shamelessly it too. Or you missed it?

mbaemeka:

YES, I am a GOD. I am not a GOD over GOD neither am I one over my fellow men. But I am a GOD over the Devil, his cohorts and his works. I am a GOD over the principles and elements that this fallen world is governed by and I make no apologies for it. If you take me up on this (and I am in the mood) I would teach you from the scriptures and expect your pusillanimity to rear its very ugly bighead. Sadly, I cannot say the same for you and most of those of your ilk (the ilk of the misinformed). You offer no alternatives and like hypocritical yet ignorant churls, you insist that something is wrong because it is wrong and not because you know what is right. You are the one's who freely express how satan is the GOD of this world and even quote the scriptures that suggest so but I do not see you ask the bible or the devil himself how many planets he has created, yet when I say I am satan's God you start asking me moronic (borrowing your own words) questions like how many planets I have created. All such reasoning only betrays you for who you really are-a scripturally handicapped troll and I would do well to avoid you.

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Re: The Midas Touch- A Balanced Approach To Biblical Prosperity - Kenneth Hagin by Gombs(m): 9:46pm On Oct 30, 2014
^^
Mba was so right! Now, read what my Jesus said to the WinsomeX's of His day

John 10 KJV
34 Jesus answered them WinsomeX, Is it not written in your law, I said, Ye are gods?

 35  If he called them gods, [size=16pt]unto whom the word of God came, [/size] and the scripture cannot be broken;


I hope you don't have comprehension problems, like some of your ilk? cool

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Re: The Midas Touch- A Balanced Approach To Biblical Prosperity - Kenneth Hagin by mbaemeka(m): 10:16pm On Oct 30, 2014
Bro Gombs, you are generous. I won't have bothered glorifying his ignorance with a reply. Someone that said Jesus used the word 'Power' only twice in the bible and even claimed that in both of such times he never referred to miracles but when he was found out he claimed it was typo or one of such utter nonsensical responses he gave. Or is it the same person that called speaking in tongues mysticism or the same ignoramus that said faith is mentally assenting to an idea?

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Re: The Midas Touch- A Balanced Approach To Biblical Prosperity - Kenneth Hagin by Nobody: 11:15pm On Oct 30, 2014
WinsomeX:


Unfortunately, you still cannot transcend that thought level of people against you. Kudalini is not news. Use google, try wikipedia, its all there. Many people who recorded their experiences of the Kudalini were adherents of the practice themselves and like I said, quite similar to the experience you narrated.

As for the you are gods doctrine, we have someone here who was affirming it shamelessly it too. Or you missed it?

Re: The Midas Touch- A Balanced Approach To Biblical Prosperity - Kenneth Hagin by BabaGnoni: 11:20pm On Oct 30, 2014
Gombs:
^^
Mba was so right! Now, read what my Jesus said to the WinsomeX's of His day

John 10 KJV
34 Jesus answered them WinsomeX, Is it not written in your law, I said, Ye are gods?

 35  If he called them gods, [size=16pt]unto whom the word of God came, [/size] and the scripture cannot be broken;


I hope you don't have comprehension problems, like some of your ilk? cool

- EXCERPT -

...but no, WoF don't agree, because as far as they care, we are "gods" according to Psalm 82:6 and John 10:34

Since it is these verses, that they attribute and hinge this doctrine on, let's give both verses a quick look over:

I say, 'You are gods; you are all children of the Most High.
- Psalms 82.6 NLT

Jesus replied, "It is written in your own Scriptures that God said to certain leaders of the people, 'I say, you are gods!'
- John 10:34 NLT


We'll put them under the microscope, and zoom on to "gods"

"gods" in Psalms 82.6 is elohim in the Hebrew text whilst
"gods" in John 10:34 is theoi in Greek text

We've noticed that elohim is translated to "gods".
This is OK, because apart from using Elohim for God,
elohim (i.e. elohim with small "e'') actually is also used for judges
(i.e. Psalms 82:1-4 shows this, and *Exodus 21:6, *Exodus 22:8-9 and Exodus 22:28 too translates elohim as judges)
or for other people who hold positions of authority and rule
(e.g. for Moses in Exodus 7:1, Exodus 4:16 or others mentioned in the Book of Judges)

It is becoming evident that "...gods..." in the Psalms 82.6
is not calling Christians, God with a small
"g" (i.e. as be in the same league as God but with a small "g'')
The verse has nothing to do whatsoever with Christians at all, at all
Christians have no business attaching with the verse
as it is about judges, judges given authority to perform martial and judicial duties

So how come WoF openly and unashamedly teach this doctrine, the way they teach it
(i.e. wilfully misinterpret Psalms 82:6)
Why? What for? What's the gain?

It is because of greed, that is why


He told the people, "Be careful to guard yourselves from every kind of greed.
Life is not about having a lot of material possessions."

- Luke 12:15 GOD'S WORD Translation


It also, is for dishonest gain and what they can get out of teaching it

Care for the flock that God has entrusted to you.
Watch over it willingly, not grudgingly
- not for what you will get out of it,
but because you are eager to serve God
.
- 1 Peter 5:2 NLT


and lastly, the trail leads up to money, money is, that's what is the gain.
It is WHY this perverse
"THE DEIFICATION OF MAN" doctrine is taught the way it is by the perpetrators, for accumulation of wealth

They have wandered off the right road
and followed the footsteps of Balaam son of Beor,
who loved to earn money by doing wrong.

- 2 Peter 2:15 NLT


It was the serpent who in the garden of Eden with Eve
first taught this lie of
"...you will be like God..."
(i.e. an earlier form of this perverse "THE DEIFICATION OF MAN" doctrine)
Whatever authority Adan & Eve had before the lie was lost after believing it,
So we can imagine what a lie this doctrine too is
and that there is more to lose than gain in believing it


"God knows that your eyes will be opened as soon as you eat it,
and you will be like God, knowing both good and evil
."
- Gen 3:5 NLT


The underlying common theme, as with most WoF doctrines is not absent here.
Money is the hidden agenda, kerching
Twisting a verse to get a buck, is no big deal
. It is a cash cow

For the love of money is a root of all kinds of evil.
Some people, eager for money,
have wandered from the faith and pierced themselves with many griefs.

1 Timothy 6:10 NIV


The abuse and violation of Psalm 82:6 and John 10:34 is an assault on the body of Christ
It is very sad. This is not ABH
(i.e. actual body harm) but rather, it is GBH (i.e. grievous bodily harm)

This doctrine has so much permeated the church, that some of us have innocently
one time or the other chest thumped
"...I am a god..." and done in a prideful declaration manner
knowingly or unknowingly influenced by this WoF's
"THE DEIFICATION OF MAN" doctrine
and the incorrectly construed meaning of
"...gods.." in Psalm 82:6 and John 10:34.

Only God can heal, impart wisdom and discernment

Yet, you desire truth and sincerity.
Deep down inside me you teach me wisdom

- Psalm 51:6 GOD'S WORD Translation

"Beware of the false teachers
--men who come to you in sheep's fleeces,
but beneath that disguise they are ravenous wolves

- Matthew 7:15 Weymouth New Testament

People who brag like this are false apostles.
They are dishonest workers, since they disguise themselves as Christ's apostles
.
- 2 Corinthians 11:13 GOD'S WORD Translation

And there did come also false prophets among the people,
as also among you there shall be false teachers,
who shall bring in besides destructive sects,
and the Master who bought them denying,
bringing to themselves quick destruction,

2 Peter 2:1 Young's Literal Translation


So what REALLY does God calls us or how does He see us
God calls us and see us His children and does not see us as
"...gods..." or "... little gods..."

Yet to all who did receive him, to those who believed in his name,
he gave the right to become children of God

- John 1:12 NIV


And, "I will be a Father to you,
and you will be my sons and daughters,
says the Lord Almighty."

- 2 Corinthians 6:18 NIV

For you are all children of God through faith in Christ Jesus.
- Galatians 3:26 NLT

See how very much our Father loves us,
for he calls us his children, and that is what we are!
But the people who belong to this world don't recognize
that we are God's children because they don't know him.

- 1 John 3:1 NLT


THE DEIFICATION OF MAN
https://www.nairaland.com/1790500/word-faith-movements-doctrine-proponents/4#24542985

- /EXCERPT -

They will claim anything to bamboozle the unsuspecting into joining the WoF cartel
Who has comprehension problems now. Who are the ignoramuses now... SMH

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Re: The Midas Touch- A Balanced Approach To Biblical Prosperity - Kenneth Hagin by Nobody: 11:21pm On Oct 30, 2014
Unfortunate for you i have lost this post. I am done here. cool
Re: The Midas Touch- A Balanced Approach To Biblical Prosperity - Kenneth Hagin by Candour(m): 11:42pm On Oct 30, 2014
Thoughts on Chapter 8


[size=20pt]1. Believers are not able to give anything to God that did not originate with God.[/size]

This point doesn't need much comments as Hagin made some valid comments on this point himself.

He said ''[size=14pt]This makes it clear that we are not to demand that God give us what we want[/size]. God in His graciousness has already provided everything for us.'' on page 173

He also said ''Having given God something does not entitle one to arrogantly demand that God do something in return. Rather, giving is to be done worshipfully, recognizing that whatever we give to God was originally created by Him and then given to us. Therefore, the proper attitude for giving is one of worship and gratitude.''

Our given should NOT be done to coerce, manipulate or force God into doing our bidding. God isn't a genie. He owns everything anyway and doesn't need our hands to give him.


[size=20pt]2. Some believers operate in a special grace of giving.[/size] Gombs put the following comment right after the point ''Gbam (We aint just showing off)''. I want to assume he was only trying to make it interesting.

True some folks will be more selfless than others (we even see non Christians blow the mind with their generosity to some worthy humanitarian course e.g the AIDS and Ebola epidemics) but of course, motive is important. Like the first point Hagin talked about, some have heard some fantastic 'testimony' of how one man sowed an only car and reaped a car manufacturing company or sowed all his money and reaped a bank (hypothetical cases) and they decide to follow suit. God doesn't work that way. God doesn't work by a formula (Hagin also talked about this on pg 117). If you're led to, go ahead and do but don't do it because you heard someone else did and reaped something fabulous. Lets always be guided by the scripture below

2 Cor 9:7
Every man according as he purposeth in his heart, so let him give; not grudgingly, or of necessity: for God loveth a cheerful giver.

Be very sure its your purpose and you were not manipulated or sweet talked into doing it, then give out of Love and out of Love alone.

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Re: The Midas Touch- A Balanced Approach To Biblical Prosperity - Kenneth Hagin by trustman: 3:05am On Oct 31, 2014
Thanks Candour and BabaGnoni for keeping focus. 
Obviously the WoF "cartel" (I like BabaGnoni's new designation of them!) here on NL lack focus. And a book that is meant to have them face the truth rather than live in denial is not given the desired attention here. 
Apparently their intention was flawed from the beginning. Instead of concentrating on issues in the book, at least for other NL readers, they seem to be so myopic that all they see are the few here who are correcting them. They are more excited at throwing words at 'opponents' than truly dig out the message of the book. 

It is said that a dying man usually wants to give the most important message. That, I believe, is what  Hagin attempts to do here; the underlying message being the need for the WoF crowd to avoid excesses and deviations. 

Will their Chief Protagonists on NL pick his core message and do an introspection; Or will pride overcome them?

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Re: The Midas Touch- A Balanced Approach To Biblical Prosperity - Kenneth Hagin by Gombs(m): 6:13am On Oct 31, 2014
Candour:
Thoughts on Chapter 8


[size=20pt]1. Believers are not able to give anything to God that did not originate with God.[/size]

This point doesn't need much comments as Hagin made some valid comments on this point himself.

He said ''[size=14pt]This makes it clear that we are not to demand that God give us what we want[/size]. God in His graciousness has already provided everything for us.'' on page 173

He also said ''Having given God something does not entitle one to arrogantly demand that God do something in return. Rather, giving is to be done worshipfully, recognizing that whatever we give to God was originally created by Him and then given to us. Therefore, the proper attitude for giving is one of worship and gratitude.''

Our given should NOT be done to coerce, manipulate or force God into doing our bidding. God isn't a genie. He owns everything anyway and doesn't need our hands to give him.


[size=20pt]2. Some believers operate in a special grace of giving.[/size] Gombs put the following comment right after the point ''Gbam (We aint just showing off)''. I want to assume he was only trying to make it interesting.

True some folks will be more selfless than others (we even see non Christians blow the mind with their generosity to some worthy humanitarian course e.g the AIDS and Ebola epidemics) but of course, motive is important. Like the first point Hagin talked about, some have heard some fantastic 'testimony' of how one man sowed an only car and reaped a car manufacturing company or sowed all his money and reaped a bank (hypothetical cases) and they decide to follow suit. God doesn't work that way. God doesn't work by a formula (Hagin also talked about this on pg 117). If you're led to, go ahead and do but don't do it because you heard someone else did and reaped something fabulous. Lets always be guided by the scripture below

2 Cor 9:7
Every man according as he purposeth in his heart, so let him give; not grudgingly, or of necessity: for God loveth a cheerful giver.

Be very sure its your purpose and you were not manipulated or sweet talked into doing it, then give out of Love and out of Love alone.


Endorsed! +1like

*Standing Ovation

Thanks for sticking to the book bro...you always stand out! #Tuale

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Re: The Midas Touch- A Balanced Approach To Biblical Prosperity - Kenneth Hagin by Gombs(m): 6:23am On Oct 31, 2014
[quote author=trustman post=27597875]
Thanks Candour and BabaGnoni for keeping focus. 
Obviously the WoF "cartel" (I like BabaGnoni's new designation of them!) here on NL lack focus. And a book that is meant to have them face the truth rather than live in denial is not given the desired attention here. 
Apparently their intention was flawed from the beginning. Instead of concentrating on issues in the book, at least for other NL readers, they seem to be so myopic that all they see are the few here who are correcting them. They are more excited at throwing words at 'opponents' than truly dig out the message of the book. 

Why can't you seem to wanna ever learn? Why? Now you're the saint trading blames? So the book does not concern you and your church? Your church is obviously perfect? When your band of misfits derailed the thread with videos and that failed Wof thread, shey it was all in 'keeping focus'? Your hypocrisy stinks!

[s]It is said that a dying man usually wants to give the most important message.[/s] That, I believe, is what  Hagin attempts to do here; the underlying message being the need for the WoF crowd to avoid excesses and deviations. 

Stop being cynical. Well as long it's what you believe, fine. Your believing is duly noted too.

[s]Will their Chief Protagonists on NL pick his core message and do an introspection; Or will pride overcome them?[/s]

Baloney! grin

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Re: The Midas Touch- A Balanced Approach To Biblical Prosperity - Kenneth Hagin by Nobody: 6:27am On Oct 31, 2014
Candour:
Thoughts on Chapter 8


[size=20pt]1. Believers are not able to give anything to God that did not originate with God.[/size]

This point doesn't need much comments as Hagin made some valid comments on this point himself.

He said ''[size=14pt]This makes it clear that we are not to demand that God give us what we want[/size]. God in His graciousness has already provided everything for us.'' on page 173

He also said ''Having given God something does not entitle one to arrogantly demand that God do something in return. Rather, giving is to be done worshipfully, recognizing that whatever we give to God was originally created by Him and then given to us. Therefore, the proper attitude for giving is one of worship and gratitude.''

Our given should NOT be done to coerce, manipulate or force God into doing our bidding. God isn't a genie. He owns everything anyway and doesn't need our hands to give him.


[size=20pt]2. Some believers operate in a special grace of giving.[/size] Gombs put the following comment right after the point ''Gbam (We aint just showing off)''. I want to assume he was only trying to make it interesting.

True some folks will be more selfless than others (we even see non Christians blow the mind with their generosity to some worthy humanitarian course e.g the AIDS and Ebola epidemics) but of course, motive is important. Like the first point Hagin talked about, some have heard some fantastic 'testimony' of how one man sowed an only car and reaped a car manufacturing company or sowed all his money and reaped a bank (hypothetical cases) and they decide to follow suit. God doesn't work that way. God doesn't work by a formula (Hagin also talked about this on pg 117). If you're led to, go ahead and do but don't do it because you heard someone else did and reaped something fabulous. Lets always be guided by the scripture below

2 Cor 9:7
Every man according as he purposeth in his heart, so let him give; not grudgingly, or of necessity: for God loveth a cheerful giver.

Be very sure its your purpose and you were not manipulated or sweet talked into doing it, then give out of Love and out of Love alone.

I don't believe Gombs is of the opinion that given shouldn't be "love driven" or that anyone's act of love should be dependent on any rewards,

What i believe scripture teaches is that "GIVING IS TAUGHT AS RECIPROCAL. Hagin talked about the "Law of sowing and reaping on pg 181. This is conspicuosly absent in your post here.

He said Paul clearly teaches the law of sowing and reaping ( 2 cor 9:6-cool a far contrast to your "group" assertions that people should give without expecting anything in return which is no where found in scriptures.

Hagin quoted Gal 6:7-8 and Phil 4:14-19 to further drive home a point here. Paul specifically addressed the philippian church that "No church communicated with me concerning GIVING AND RECEIVING, but ye only". So it is in order to say the philippians actually anticipated receving from God because they ministered to Paul's needs.

We often hear folks misquoting Christ and assuming he said that we should "give, hoping for nothing in return", when actually that verse reads "lend hoping for nothing in return". There's is no confusing between "lend" and "give"- and both occur on the basis of Love in His teaching.

Let's take a look at the scripture closely in Luke 6:35 and 38.

To lend is NOT the same as to give.

Giving in a selfless manner does not negate or contradict the fact that it is reciprocal.

If a believer wants to give without expecting anything in return, he or she should clearly be willing to shun all dubious claims to "assurances" and "trust" in God for "rewards" however pretentiously worded. To have assurance or trust in God for His reward at anytime is the same as expecting something in return for giving. All the sweet-talk about 'selfless giving' are lame attempts to deny the obvious.

It is a sanctimonious fallacy often repeated that giving is 'WITHOUT' expecting anything in return from God or man. To maintain that fallacy is to ignore CLEAR teaching of scripture.

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Re: The Midas Touch- A Balanced Approach To Biblical Prosperity - Kenneth Hagin by vooks: 6:37am On Oct 31, 2014
Paul gave the most. Care to share with us mortals o goD Bidam what he reaped or was expecting? Did the 'law of seed time and harvest time' apply to him? What about the 'reapers overtaking the sowers' anointing? cheesy cheesy

He gave up his comfort and status, was imprisoned, badly beaten severally nearly died so much that he exclaimed that he died daily, gave up his RIGHT to be supported by Corinthians and Thessalonians, gave up (re?)marriage- 1Cor 9.......what was his reward seeing Christ said we would reap hundredfold IN THIS WORLD? And what entitles you more than him? The fact that he lived 1950 years before you?


I don't mind if Christ Embassy hooligans can recite Oyaks philosophies backward, but when they misrepresent Holy Spirit/Scriptures, they sure are twisting Paul's writing to their damnation

Bidam:
I don't believe Gombs is of the opinion that given shouldn't be "love driven" or that anyone's act of love should be dependent on any rewards,

What i believe scripture teaches is that "GIVING IS TAUGHT AS RECIPROCAL. Hagin talked about the "Law of sowing and reaping on pg 181. This is conspicuosly absent in your post here.

He said Paul clearly teaches the law of sowing and reaping ( 2 cor 9:6-cool a far contrast to your "group" assertions that people should give without expecting anything in return which is no where found in scriptures.

Hagin quoted Gal 6:7-8 and Phil 4:14-19 to further drive home a point here. Paul specifically addressed the philippian church that "No church communicated with me concerning GIVING AND RECEIVING, but ye only". So it is in order to say the philippians actually anticipated receving from God because they ministered to Paul's needs.

We often hear folks misquoting Christ and assuming he said that we should "give, hoping for nothing in return", when actually that verse reads "lend hoping for nothing in return". There's is no confusing between "lend" and "give"- and both occur on the basis of Love in His teaching.

Let's take a look at the scripture closely in Luke 6:35 and 38.

To lend is NOT the same as to give.

Giving in a selfless manner does not negate or contradict the fact that it is reciprocal.

If a believer wants to give without expecting anything in return, he or she should clearly be willing to shun all dubious claims to "assurances" and "trust" in God for "rewards" however pretentiously worded. To have assurance or trust in God for His reward at anytime is the same as expecting something in return for giving. All the sweet-talk about 'selfless giving' are lame attempts to deny the obvious.

It is a sanctimonious fallacy often repeated that giving is 'WITHOUT' expecting anything in return from God or man. To maintain that fallacy is to ignore CLEAR teaching of scripture.

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Re: The Midas Touch- A Balanced Approach To Biblical Prosperity - Kenneth Hagin by Nobody: 7:03am On Oct 31, 2014
vooks:
Paul gave the most. Care to share with us mortals o goD Bidam what he reaped or was expecting? Did the 'law of seed time and harvest time' apply to him? What about the 'reapers overtaking the sowers' anointing? cheesy cheesy

He gave up his comfort and status, was imprisoned, badly beaten severally nearly died so much that he exclaimed that he died daily, gave up his RIGHT to be supported by Corinthians and Thessalonians, gave up (re?)marriage- 1Cor 9.......what was his reward seeing Christ said we would reap hundredfold IN THIS WORLD? And what entitles you more than him? The fact that he lived 1950 years before you?


I don't mind if Christ Embassy hooligans can recite Oyaks philosophies backward, but when they misrepresent Holy Spirit/Scriptures, they sure are twisting Paul's writing to their damnation

So quit the snide remrks,side talks attacking people and straw clutching and tell us your interpretations on the law of sowing and reaping in Paul's epistles. Borrow a leaf from your ally candour and attack the message not the messenger.

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Re: The Midas Touch- A Balanced Approach To Biblical Prosperity - Kenneth Hagin by Gombs(m): 7:18am On Oct 31, 2014
BabaGnoni, I didn't bother quoting you, but a little tit bit from your write up for the intellectual handicapped:

1. Elohim in Psalms 82:6 did not only mean judge as you want us to believe, and that is where my problem with you emanates- acrid dishonesty! Let me school you!
The word Elohim (small 'e' of course) means
1. (plural)
rulers, judges
divine ones
angels
gods
2. (plural intensive - singular meaning)
god, goddess
godlike one
works or special possessions of God
the (true) God
God

From Psalms 82:6, one can readily see (except if they're biased) that David was writing to a target audience, a special breed of folks... That was why Jesus quoted it. Sadly, but I know twas intentional, you left out the other parts of John 10:34 ie v35. Now let's visit that

[KJV] John 10:35 If he called them gods, unto whom the word of God came, and the scripture cannot be broken;

Let's read from the message translation, shall we?

38Jesus said, "I'm only quoting your inspired Scriptures, where God said, 'I tell you—you are gods.' If God called your ancestors 'gods'—and Scripture doesn't lie—why do you yell, 'Blasphemer! Blasphemer!' at the unique One the Father consecrated and sent into the world, just because I said, 'I am the Son of God'?


Question, was God calling them judges? BabaGnoni and his band of 10 spies would love us to believe an evil report. He said

The verse has nothing to do whatsoever with Christians at all, at allChristians have no business attaching with the verse as it is about judges, judges given authority to perform martial and judicial duties

So, God was speaking through David to Judges given authority to perform marital and judicial duties? Even when Jesus said God called them gods unto whom the word of God came, and the scripture cannot be broken; ? Same word that came to them in the wilderness, came to us too, we received it, as they did, we became gods, because we like some of them in the wilderness mixed it with faith.

hebrews 4:2 MSG
We received the same promises as those people in the wilderness, but the promises didn't do them a bit of good because they didn't receive the promises with faith. If we believe, though, we'll experience that state of resting. But not if we don't have faith. Remember that God said,


If God was addressing judges, why did the preceeding verses say
[KJV] Psalms 82:5 They know not, neither will they understand; they walk on in darkness: all the foundations of the earth are out of course.

Was God referring to just judges or to his whole children? undecided

Jesus said, "why call me a blasphemer because I said I am the son of God? Shey God talk am with him mouth say we all be the children of the Most high in una law books"?

If Jesus asked such, why does it fail babagnoni and his band to comprehend it? In John 10, the word gods there is from the greek theos, small 't' it means

1. a god or goddess, a general name of deities or divinities
2. the Godhead, trinity
God the Father, the first person in the trinity
Christ, the second person of the trinity
Holy Spirit, the third person in the trinity
3. spoken of the only and true God
a. refers to the things of God
b. his counsels, interests, things due to him
4. whatever can in any respect be likened unto God, or resemble him in any way
a. God's representative or viceregen


BabaGnoni, I ask you to point the one Jesus meant in John 10:34. I know I'm likened to God, because as Jesus is, so am I in this world, and Jesus is God, hence I am a god, I am divinity! No wonder the devil wants to use some folks to water down who the Christian is.

BabaGnoni, was jesus referring to judges too, as you said The verse has nothing to do whatsoever with Christians at all, at allChristians have no business attaching with the verse as it is about judges, judges given authority to perform martial and judicial duties

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Re: The Midas Touch- A Balanced Approach To Biblical Prosperity - Kenneth Hagin by LambanoPeace: 7:24am On Oct 31, 2014
vooks:
Paul gave the most. Care to share with us mortals o goD Bidam what he reaped or was expecting? Did the 'law of seed time and harvest time' apply to him? What about the 'reapers overtaking the sowers' anointing? cheesy cheesy

He gave up his comfort and status, was imprisoned, badly beaten severally nearly died so much that he exclaimed that he died daily, gave up his RIGHT to be supported by Corinthians and Thessalonians, gave up (re?)marriage- 1Cor 9.......what was his reward seeing Christ said we would reap hundredfold IN THIS WORLD? And what entitles you more than him? The fact that he lived 1950 years before you?


I don't mind if Christ Embassy hooligans can recite Oyaks philosophies backward, but when they misrepresent Holy Spirit/Scriptures, they sure are twisting Paul's writing to their damnation


Olodo rabata, there is no such thing as the above bold in the Bible. Oya argue let me embarrass you with Scriptures. There is seed time, but nothing like harvest time. Where did you pull out seed time and harvest time law from?

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Re: The Midas Touch- A Balanced Approach To Biblical Prosperity - Kenneth Hagin by Gombs(m): 7:31am On Oct 31, 2014
LambanoPeace:


Olodo rabata, there is no such thing as the above bold in the Bible. Oya argue let me embarrass you with Scriptures. There is seed time, but nothing like harvest time. Where did you pull out seed time and harvest time law from?

That is what happens when folks who know few verses think they are sufficient, and enough to teach others, ignoring books and messages of those who are ahead of them in the faith. You should see their wof thread.... looks like a convention of folks with acute deficiency of Bible knowledge... Imagine o! Seed time and harvest time! Lord Jesus grin grin
Re: The Midas Touch- A Balanced Approach To Biblical Prosperity - Kenneth Hagin by vooks: 7:33am On Oct 31, 2014
Does/did that 'law' or 'principle' apply to Paul himself? Answer that and I will break down that verse in Yoruba,Greek and sign language if need be grin

Bidam:
So quit the snide remrks,side talks attacking people and straw clutching and tell us your interpretations on the law of sowing and reaping in Paul's epistles. Borrow a leaf from your ally candour and attack the message not the messenger.

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Re: The Midas Touch- A Balanced Approach To Biblical Prosperity - Kenneth Hagin by Gombs(m): 7:35am On Oct 31, 2014
Bidam:
So quit the snide remrks,side talks attacking people and straw clutching and tell us your interpretations on the law of sowing and reaping in Paul's epistles. Borrow a leaf from your ally candour and attack the message not the messenger.

Candour is leagues away from them! Light years ahead sef
Re: The Midas Touch- A Balanced Approach To Biblical Prosperity - Kenneth Hagin by Nobody: 7:37am On Oct 31, 2014
LambanoPeace:


Olodo rabata, there is no such thing as the above bold in the Bible. Oya argue let me embarrass you with Scriptures. There is seed time, but nothing like harvest time. Where did you pull out seed time and harvest time law from?
Don't mind him, my post never mentioned seed time and harvest time but sowing and reaping, he doesn't even know how to address posts.

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Re: The Midas Touch- A Balanced Approach To Biblical Prosperity - Kenneth Hagin by vooks: 7:39am On Oct 31, 2014
It's first mentioned in
Genesis 8:22 (KJV)
While the earth remaineth, seedtime and harvest, and cold and heat, and summer and winter, and day and night shall not cease.


For NT application of the same and specifically with regard to WOF and abuse of scriptures, ask your matey Bidam grin grin
LambanoPeace:


Olodo rabata, there is no such thing as the above bold in the Bible. Oya argue let me embarrass you with Scriptures. There is seed time, but nothing like harvest time. Where did you pull out seed time and harvest time law from?

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Re: The Midas Touch- A Balanced Approach To Biblical Prosperity - Kenneth Hagin by vooks: 7:40am On Oct 31, 2014
Oga, isn't reaping harvesting? And isn't sowing seed time?

Bidam:
Don't mind him, my post never mentioned seed time and harvest time but sowing and reaping, he doesn't even know how to address posts.

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Re: The Midas Touch- A Balanced Approach To Biblical Prosperity - Kenneth Hagin by Nobody: 7:42am On Oct 31, 2014
vooks:
Does/did that 'law' or 'principle' apply to Paul himself? Answer that and I will break down that verse in Yoruba,Greek and sign language if need be grin

The question is actually irrelevant because Paul taught the galatians, corinthians and philippians a doctrine on GIVING AND RECEIVING. Address that first and stop raising red herrings here.
Re: The Midas Touch- A Balanced Approach To Biblical Prosperity - Kenneth Hagin by vooks: 7:44am On Oct 31, 2014
Halfheartedly agreed. Let's imagine he taught it. What did he receive or expect to receive out of his own giving?
Bidam:
The question is actually irrelevant because Paul taught the galatians, corinthians and philippians a doctrine on GIVING AND RECEIVING. Address that first and stop raising red herrings here.

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Re: The Midas Touch- A Balanced Approach To Biblical Prosperity - Kenneth Hagin by Nobody: 7:47am On Oct 31, 2014
vooks:

It's first mentioned in
Genesis 8:22 (KJV)
While the earth remaineth, seedtime and harvest, and cold and heat, and summer and winter, and day and night shall not cease.


For NT application of the same and specifically with regard to WOF and abuse of scriptures, ask your matey Bidam grin grin
Did you ignore the fact that her post mentioned there is seedtime but nothing like harvesttime or are you being mischievious here? Take time to read peoples post before replying na.

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Re: The Midas Touch- A Balanced Approach To Biblical Prosperity - Kenneth Hagin by vooks: 7:48am On Oct 31, 2014
Silly semantics. Is REAPING not equivalent to HARVEST TIME?

Revelation 14:15 (KJV)
And another angel came out of the temple, crying with a loud voice to him that sat on the cloud, Thrust in thy sickle, and reap: for the time is come for thee to reap; for the harvest of the earth is ripe. 16 And he that sat on the cloud thrust in his sickle on the earth; and the earth was reaped.

Bidam:
Did you ignore the fact that her post mentioned there is seedtime but nothing like harvesttime or are you being mischievious here? Take time to read peoples post before replying na.

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Re: The Midas Touch- A Balanced Approach To Biblical Prosperity - Kenneth Hagin by Nobody: 7:54am On Oct 31, 2014
vooks:
Oga, isn't reaping harvesting? And isn't sowing seed time?

Whatever you call it. The principle is applicable in the word of God to every realm and level of human activity in the earth not only in finances. I didn't bring the Genesis up, you did, the onus is on you to give us your explanations, rather than the usual dribblings you are used to.
Re: The Midas Touch- A Balanced Approach To Biblical Prosperity - Kenneth Hagin by Nobody: 7:57am On Oct 31, 2014
vooks:
Halfheartedly agreed. Let's imagine he taught it. What did he receive or expect to receive out of his own giving?
What did he give?
Re: The Midas Touch- A Balanced Approach To Biblical Prosperity - Kenneth Hagin by nannymcphee(f): 7:58am On Oct 31, 2014
LambanoPeace:


Olodo rabata, there is no such thing as the above bold in the Bible. Oya argue let me embarrass you with Scriptures. There is seed time, but nothing like harvest time. Where did you pull out seed time and harvest time law from?

I'm sure you are from CE, what you just said about harvest not having a timeframe is what you were taught but you haven't really studied it for yourself.

Genesis 8:22 (KJV)
While the earth remaineth, seedtime and harvest, and cold and heat, and summer and winter, and day and night shall not cease.

The above scripture is talking about the natural events in life. If you claim based on this scripture that there is a time to sow seeds but harvest can be any time, can you explain why crops have seasons when they are available?

Can you sow cocoa & reap it any time or there is a time frame to harvest it?

even though the bible did not add "time" to summer or winter or day or night, aren't these seasons & time

Eg summer time, winter time, day time, night time etc will you now say these aforementioned words are wrong because time was not attached to it in the bible?

Ecc3:2

2 A time to be born, and a time to die; a time to plant, and a time to pluck up that which is planted


A TIME to pluck up that which is planted = HARVEST TIME

it time you start studying for yourself all the words/statements you have been taught in church

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Re: The Midas Touch- A Balanced Approach To Biblical Prosperity - Kenneth Hagin by Nobody: 7:59am On Oct 31, 2014
vooks:
Silly semantics. Is REAPING not equivalent to HARVEST TIME?

Revelation 14:15 (KJV)
And another angel came out of the temple, crying with a loud voice to him that sat on the cloud, Thrust in thy sickle, and reap: for the time is come for thee to reap; for the harvest of the earth is ripe. 16 And he that sat on the cloud thrust in his sickle on the earth; and the earth was reaped.

Another silly post.Stop quoting revelations out of context. It is way above your pay grade.

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Re: The Midas Touch- A Balanced Approach To Biblical Prosperity - Kenneth Hagin by vooks: 8:00am On Oct 31, 2014
1. Money
2. Time
3. Privileges

If you doubt and need scriptures to bck this I can provide
Bidam:
What did he give?

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