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Re: The Midas Touch- A Balanced Approach To Biblical Prosperity - Kenneth Hagin by vooks: 2:32pm On Oct 31, 2014 |
God of all Creation. He set the planets revolving around the sun and thereby created seasons Bidam: 1 Like |
Re: The Midas Touch- A Balanced Approach To Biblical Prosperity - Kenneth Hagin by Nobody: 2:33pm On Oct 31, 2014 |
vooks:Don't be a scriptural misfit, does the Galatians 6:6-10 i quoted in my initial post to candour talks ministry? rememeber i told you previously that it is applicable in every realm of human activity in the earth, not only in finances. 2. Seed time and harvest time are set by natural laws. You can't sow any time of the year and expect a harvest. Harvest time is different for different plantsSo harvest time is applicable to natural laws but not spiritual laws abi? Paul was simply saying that God is the sole Cause of growth in the church and not men. You need to quit stretching analogies out of their logical limits bro. I know this is a convenient excuse you give when tithers and other coerced givers don't recieve harvest/reap; remind them that it is 'up to God' to reward them whenever and wherever.Where did Paul say that in the scriptures i quoted in Gal 6:6-7 and phil 4:14-19? Again quit the snide comments and lets do some bible study here. |
Re: The Midas Touch- A Balanced Approach To Biblical Prosperity - Kenneth Hagin by vooks: 2:38pm On Oct 31, 2014 |
IMPLIED. Paul's financial circumstances under Christ were worse than before. That's all Bidam: 1 Like |
Re: The Midas Touch- A Balanced Approach To Biblical Prosperity - Kenneth Hagin by Candour(m): 2:38pm On Oct 31, 2014 |
mbaemeka: Actually, you're wrong. Let's start from the Son's of Noah in Genesis chapter 10. Noah had 3 sons namely; Shem, Ham and Japhet. Ham had 4 sons namely; Cush, Mizraim, Phut and Canaan The Sons of Mizraim are Ludim, Anamim, Lehabim, Naphtuhim, Pathrusim, and Cashluhim (out of whom came Philistim or Philistine) and Caphtorim. The sons of Canaan are Sidon, Heth, Jebusites, Amorite, Girgashite, Hivite, Arkite, Sinite, Arvadite, Zemarite and Hamathithe We can see that Mizraim and Canaan are clearly differentiated and the Philistines (Philistim) are clearly not listed among the descendants of Canaan which God promised Abraham will lose their lands to his descendants. In fact out of the great-grand children of Ham, only Philistim (Philistines) was mentioned and i believe it was because of the great antagonism they were going to cause the Israelites down the pages of history. Gen 10:19 And the border of the Canaanites was from Sidon, [size=14pt]as thou comest to Gerar, unto Gaza; as thou goest, unto Sodom, and Gomorrah, and Admah, and Zeboim, even unto Lasha[/color] The bible said the Canaanites border was from Sidon ''as thou comest to Gerar'' It didn't say the border was from Sidon unto and including Gerar. God differentiated between Canaanites and the Philistines when he enumerated the descendants of Ham and he also demarcated the lands in the scripture above. Gerar was to the south of Canaan, it doesn't mean Gerar is a part of Canaan. Just like Cotonou is west of Nigeria doesn't mean Cotonou is a part of Nigeria. Isaac reaped far above his neighbours who even owned the land is the message we got there. 1 Like |
Re: The Midas Touch- A Balanced Approach To Biblical Prosperity - Kenneth Hagin by vooks: 2:42pm On Oct 31, 2014 |
excellent submission. Now what you dread the most, thinking 1. What proof do you have that the famine persisted the many years since you are flagrantly presenting this as a fact? 2. What proof do you have that the Philistines envied him in the SAME year he received a bountiful harvest? Verse 13 (KJV) And the man waxed great, and went forward, and grew until he became very great: 14 For he had possession of flocks, and possession of herds, and great store of servants: and the Philistines envied him Animals have a gestation period running into months, their multiplication however miraculous still obeys natural Laws. This means the increase in the flock necessarily implies Isaac's prosperity took more than one year oga mbaemeka: 2 Likes |
Re: The Midas Touch- A Balanced Approach To Biblical Prosperity - Kenneth Hagin by Gombs(m): 2:44pm On Oct 31, 2014 |
Bidam: Nice |
Re: The Midas Touch- A Balanced Approach To Biblical Prosperity - Kenneth Hagin by Candour(m): 2:46pm On Oct 31, 2014 |
Gombs: Gerar was a philistine land and the philistines were not Canaanites. The bible is very clear on that. Also famine in the bible doesn't mean it covered the earth everytime. infact See the case of Ruth's future family Ruth 1:1 Now it came to pass in the days when the Judges ruled, that there was a famine in the land, And a certain man of Bethlehem-Judah went to sojourn in the country of Moab, he, and his wife, and his two sons Elimelech left Bethlehem and went to Moab to escape famine, yet Moab was only about 30Miles (48km) to Bethlehem using it's shortest more rugged route and 60miles(96km) using a smother longer route. Check your map. Not all famine in the bible affected everywhere. Anytime it did, the bible was very specific 1 Like |
Re: The Midas Touch- A Balanced Approach To Biblical Prosperity - Kenneth Hagin by Nobody: 2:46pm On Oct 31, 2014 |
nannymcphee:God sets the time for harvest, whether it is church planting, finances,etc. it may be now, it may be later, for example when Peter preached at Pentecost in acts 2 and 3000 were added to their number that day, it was the work of the Holy Spirit not the work of man. 1 Like |
Re: The Midas Touch- A Balanced Approach To Biblical Prosperity - Kenneth Hagin by Nobody: 2:50pm On Oct 31, 2014 |
nannymcphee:You are still wrong with your analogy, i know many folks that expend a great deal of energy into human endeavors without any results or harvest to show for it. God is the master architect of spiritual laws, get that and you are home free. 1 Like |
Re: The Midas Touch- A Balanced Approach To Biblical Prosperity - Kenneth Hagin by Nobody: 2:51pm On Oct 31, 2014 |
Gombs:bro na Holy Spirit o. |
Re: The Midas Touch- A Balanced Approach To Biblical Prosperity - Kenneth Hagin by Nobody: 2:54pm On Oct 31, 2014 |
Gombs:that guy sef, i wonder why i dey waste time with am. his scriptural inconsistencies and shallow reasoning dey tire me no be small. 1 Like |
Re: The Midas Touch- A Balanced Approach To Biblical Prosperity - Kenneth Hagin by Nobody: 2:58pm On Oct 31, 2014 |
vooks:Who sets the time for seed sowing man or God? |
Re: The Midas Touch- A Balanced Approach To Biblical Prosperity - Kenneth Hagin by mbaemeka(m): 2:59pm On Oct 31, 2014 |
Candour, Genesis 10:19 NLT and the territory of Canaan extended from Sidon in the north to Gerar and Gaza in the south, and east as far as Sodom, Gomorrah, Admah, and Zeboiim, near Lasha. Besides, I used a Map to take my position. You can readily check one online. |
Re: The Midas Touch- A Balanced Approach To Biblical Prosperity - Kenneth Hagin by vooks: 3:05pm On Oct 31, 2014 |
God does not set the harvest time any more than he sets seed time. And I told Gombs, you are fond of equivocation, jumping from the literal to the spiritual,symbol. Please before applying the symbol, can you try and comprehend it? You don't plant ANY time of the year else you risk losing everything. Yes it is true man decides whether to plant or not but they got a brain ( most not ALL of them) and they know WHEN to plant. Is this clear? The reason we have harvest and not harvest time IS NOT because God in Divine randomness decides when is harvest time, harvest is fairly predictable. What is not predictable is the returns on the investment. For each unit measure that you sow, how many measures do you get? It could be zero or a hundredfold. This is why Moses had Firstfruits, Freewill offerings and all Bidam: 2 Likes |
Re: The Midas Touch- A Balanced Approach To Biblical Prosperity - Kenneth Hagin by nannymcphee(f): 3:06pm On Oct 31, 2014 |
mbaemeka: this was an excerpt from my earlier submission: Inspite of the fact that, the verse was talking about natural events, some folks have applied it to sowing of money, while I don't have a problem with that, they stretch it further to say that, when you sow your seed now, you can reap it now because the bible only talked about seed time & not harvest time but harvest So Gombs, from the bolded, I can sow seeds of prayer, money & hard work etc & also determine when i will reap the harvest! only if i have a "high level of faith" Wake up please!! It's time to start examining what you profess 2 Likes |
Re: The Midas Touch- A Balanced Approach To Biblical Prosperity - Kenneth Hagin by Nobody: 3:07pm On Oct 31, 2014 |
trustman:Don't be contumacious and ask your friend who went personal on Apostle Paul when he couldn't answer my initial post to candour. Maybe you could help him answer his folly of a question. Here are the questions once again for your perusal. vooks: |
Re: The Midas Touch- A Balanced Approach To Biblical Prosperity - Kenneth Hagin by vooks: 3:09pm On Oct 31, 2014 |
God does. He makes seasons,times which are ideal for sowing. Man follows God's seasons/times or loses Bidam: 1 Like |
Re: The Midas Touch- A Balanced Approach To Biblical Prosperity - Kenneth Hagin by Gombs(m): 3:09pm On Oct 31, 2014 |
Candour: Bobo, look... Bible said plain English. See what I said If you look at a map of the land during Isaac's generation, you will see that Gerar is the last inhabited city in Canaan before entering the Wilderness of Shur along the well traveled caravan route between the nation of the Philistines and Egypt. Now study the map below, notice where Judah is! If you still want to argue, fine.
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Re: The Midas Touch- A Balanced Approach To Biblical Prosperity - Kenneth Hagin by nannymcphee(f): 3:13pm On Oct 31, 2014 |
Bidam: when u click on the start button on a windows OS, who/what causes the options to appear, bill gates or the programmer or the OS itself that has been programmed to do such? When you fall from a cliff, is it God or Gravity? 1 Like |
Re: The Midas Touch- A Balanced Approach To Biblical Prosperity - Kenneth Hagin by Gombs(m): 3:14pm On Oct 31, 2014 |
mbaemeka: No need to go online. God bless you jare. He should notice the above bold on the map. 1 Like 1 Share
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Re: The Midas Touch- A Balanced Approach To Biblical Prosperity - Kenneth Hagin by mbaemeka(m): 3:14pm On Oct 31, 2014 |
vooks: 1. The bible says it was the same land. So the only thing that changed from vs 1-12 was the years past. 2. Vs12 was connected to Vs' 13 and 14. He became very great- in the same year- the Philistines envied. If not so, they should have sown in the same land like he was doing instead of envy him for his seemingly insurmountable success. |
Re: The Midas Touch- A Balanced Approach To Biblical Prosperity - Kenneth Hagin by Gombs(m): 3:16pm On Oct 31, 2014 |
nannymcphee: Question was, who set those natural laws in place? Simple |
Re: The Midas Touch- A Balanced Approach To Biblical Prosperity - Kenneth Hagin by Gombs(m): 3:20pm On Oct 31, 2014 |
mbaemeka: Bro, free that guy Enough schooling for one day please 1 Like |
Re: The Midas Touch- A Balanced Approach To Biblical Prosperity - Kenneth Hagin by vooks: 3:22pm On Oct 31, 2014 |
My broda o You went ballistic when I talked of seed time and harvest time. You sought to make a mountain out of the 'missing' time in Genesis and I insist there is NOTHING to it. You pretended that seed time and harvest time are different from sowing and reaping. I even gave you a verse from Revelation showing that you were wrong. Have you revised your opinion on this? To answer your question about where Paul said that, 1 Cor 3:6- 8 (KJV) Who then is Paul, and who is Apollos, but ministers by whom ye believed, even as the Lord gave to every man? 6 I have planted, Apollos watered; but God gave the increase. 7 So then neither is he that planteth any thing, neither he that watereth; but God that giveth the increase. 8 Now he that planteth and he that watereth are one: and every man shall receive his own reward according to his own labour. Bidam: 1 Like |
Re: The Midas Touch- A Balanced Approach To Biblical Prosperity - Kenneth Hagin by mbaemeka(m): 3:23pm On Oct 31, 2014 |
nannymcphee: You used a car as an example. Who am I to question such a level of faith? Same way Martha and Mary had FAITH that Lazarus will be resurrected on THE LAST DAY but Jesus (having greater faith than they) compressed the time and brought Lazarus back in the present. Mr A can pray for a healing and expect to get healed on the bye and bye. 5 years later he notices all symptoms gone and he praises God. Mr B prays for a healing and expects it now. He sees the symptoms shrivel immediately and he praises God. Both Got their harvest but the time was not set. Faith doesn't say I WILL get something from God. Hope says so. Faith gets it now. Faith is higher than time and that's why God said seedtime and harvest will always remain. 1 Like |
Re: The Midas Touch- A Balanced Approach To Biblical Prosperity - Kenneth Hagin by Candour(m): 3:29pm On Oct 31, 2014 |
mbaemeka: ok then i conceed. |
Re: The Midas Touch- A Balanced Approach To Biblical Prosperity - Kenneth Hagin by nannymcphee(f): 3:30pm On Oct 31, 2014 |
mbaemeka: At the point A & B got their healing, wasn't it "time" so what the fuss about no time being tied to harvest or harvest time?? Keep deluding yourself that all seeds sown(prayer, finances, time, love etc) can be harvested NOW, if one has great faith The church didn't have faith when they prayed against Bokoharam? so there wasn't one Christian with great faith that could sow seeds of prayer against Bokoharam at its incipient stage to have stopped it then? Ebola nko, the kidnappings going on nko, what about the robberies? Bad governance nko? Haven't Christians been praying about all of these things? yet none had great faith to harvest an instant harvest of peace & health showme someone who sowed anything in scriptures & reaped immediately(even the Hebrew hallmark of faith doesn't have any) God wasn't put into the equation, it's just the individual's faith that is the determinant 2 Likes |
Re: The Midas Touch- A Balanced Approach To Biblical Prosperity - Kenneth Hagin by BabaGnoni: 3:31pm On Oct 31, 2014 |
Gombs: OK, enough of the games Gombs is playing at here. He had access to valuable and useful information but stored it away after hacking off the bit that suits him. I wont paste a picture capture as the antispamBot currently behaves funny at that - I am tempted to paste a screen shot capture but wont as the antispamBot will likely hide it and slap me with a posting ban again What I will do is, leave the URL of the site from where you "copied and pasted, word for word" from, as seen repeated below, for your post: "Up to this point, Isaac was going by formula. But when the Lord appeared to him, he said He did not want Isaac to go to Egypt, but rather to stay in Canaan and the Lord promised to bless him there (where famine was raging). The Lord was doing a different thing in Isaac's day than Abraham's and it was critical to flow with His plan. The same is true for every generation" - © Gombs Chai!. Like "Baba", like "spiritual son". Xerox has nothing on you. Gombs! I shift one of my cheeks for you. This behaviour resembles that of "Baba" you're just as lazy as the dada of WoF "Baba" - Small time, will be coming here fronting and forming "intellect" I read about Isaac's irrigation witty idea a few years ago, so I set out searching for it, as I wasn't on the laptop I bookmarked the site on, only to find Gombs has lifted some of the information off the site but stopped short on sharing the irrigation that made reaping in famine possible for Isaac For anyone trying to get more understanding on how Isaac came about the IRRIGATION witty idea etcetera, the website has the full account. - No point in me reinventing the wheel or rehashing the information here again ISAAC SOWED IN FAMINE by Gary Carpenter http://www.garycarpenter.org/teach1.html 2 Likes |
Re: The Midas Touch- A Balanced Approach To Biblical Prosperity - Kenneth Hagin by vooks: 3:33pm On Oct 31, 2014 |
1. That ONLY thing means a lot because famines are not mountains, they are temporal 2. Yes we never had verses until a few hundred years ago, but they envied his increase which is amplified to include servants,and flock. It says they envied him meaning the envy had a DEFINITE point before which they were not envying him. The envy started and grew as he increased. This increase covers flocks. In fact flocks are a better measure of wealth than agricultural produce but this is besides the point. If we were to compete in reading our hallucinations into the scriptures, you would beat me pants down. I give it to you. While there is a place and time for that, this ain't it Once again, where did you get the notion that Isaac sowed DURING famine? This is unwarranted inference no better but in fact way weaker than mine namely there was no famine when he sowed since it was many years since the famine of verse 1. Again where did you get the notion that the Philistines envied in the same year and this because of the famine? Are you insinuating that vine flock as well increased during the year? They could have been equally envious if Isaac's harvest was above average as secular history tells us that is if there was no famine but he still beat them. And recall he was a sojourner probably leasing their land. Xenophobia issues you can say that mbaemeka: 1 Like |
Re: The Midas Touch- A Balanced Approach To Biblical Prosperity - Kenneth Hagin by Gombs(m): 3:38pm On Oct 31, 2014 |
Candour: You are way different! It takes humility to admit wrong, that my friend is commendable! Much respect sir! |
Re: The Midas Touch- A Balanced Approach To Biblical Prosperity - Kenneth Hagin by Nobody: 3:40pm On Oct 31, 2014 |
vooks:Funny you are the chap equivocating here. Jesus travelling from bethany to Jerusalem finds a fig barren tree that cannot satify his needs, yet he cursed it...care to tell us why? |
Re: The Midas Touch- A Balanced Approach To Biblical Prosperity - Kenneth Hagin by vooks: 3:40pm On Oct 31, 2014 |
Hooligans doubling as plagiarists BabaGnoni: 2 Likes |
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