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Re: Love And Submission by pickabeau1: 2:05pm On Oct 30, 2014 |
bukatyne: I agree with you on the approach to his wife |
Re: Love And Submission by bukatyne(f): 2:13pm On Oct 30, 2014 |
pickabeau1: Again, there is no love without correction. If (God forbid evil ) my husband starts behaving like a tout in his work place or quarrelling with all his colleagues and our neighbors, is it not my duty to correct him? That was one of the problems I had with Tiwa's husband: what husband does not complain when his wife dresses like an harlot? One who does not care about the marriage. If he saw a future with her, would not caution her for posterity sake? I will have reservations about a spouse that cannot correct me when I am wrong because the Bible says 'Iron sharpenth Iron'. Infact, we both see ourselves as a representative of the family which cautions us in our conduct outside and ambassadors of Christ which helps us caution our conduct towards each other |
Re: Love And Submission by pickabeau1: 2:21pm On Oct 30, 2014 |
Bravo! bukatyne: |
Re: Love And Submission by bukatyne(f): 2:46pm On Oct 30, 2014 |
pickabeau1: Thanks 1 Like |
Re: Love And Submission by Kay17: 4:01pm On Oct 30, 2014 |
Ok, we understand the ideals of love and submission from the OP, now to the practical aspects. The OP seems to suggest that the love and consequent submission of a wife to her husband, is entirely a reciprocal nature. That the husband must take the first step of love and without this first step, the wife will not submit nor love. I think this places the fortunes of the marriage in the hand of the husband because an unloving husband automatically creates an unloving wife. This also conflicts with the Christian ideals of love. Love is supposed to be ubiquitous amongst Christians. A Christian is a lover of Christ and of his neighbours. And the Christian is of both sexes/genders. So irrespective of the gender, a Christian must be loving. Now, back to the context of marriage, the wife is placed in a very difficult position by being asked to be a Christian (who must love all her neighbours) and at the same time a wife who must only reciprocate to her husband's love. Assuming the wife decides to initiate the first step by loving the husband, does the husband reciprocate by loving her and then submitting or not? How will this be resolved? And as a last issue, the relevant bible verses only touch on marriage and not on courtship, what is the priority of love in courtship and what is the priority of submission? |
Re: Love And Submission by bukatyne(f): 8:29pm On Oct 30, 2014 |
Kay17: Hi Kay17, Welcome to the thread Since Christian marriages are in discussion, I would always say love first before submission becasue that is the order obtainable in Christ & the Church's relationship. The marriage has always been in the husband's hands because he is the leader and should lead by example. There are bible verses that tell us that God loved us first before we reciprocated and I do not think that negates the principle of love. If a believing wife married an unbeliever, she has the duty of upholding the marriage whether he loves her or not A woman loving first? Well, the husband should reciporate. @Love & submission in courtship, I believe and encourage it. Once a couple is in courtship, it is believed that they have agreed to get married and are getting to know themselves. There is no magic in the vows that makes an unsubmissive woman become a submissive wife and vice versa. Both of them must start learning how to relate with eachother from the courtship which will be carried out in marriage. 1 Like |
Re: Love And Submission by pickabeau1: 3:05pm On Oct 31, 2014 |
Interesting coming from you.. buka I agree with your post bukatyne: |
Re: Love And Submission by bukatyne(f): 4:17pm On Oct 31, 2014 |
Re: Love And Submission by pickabeau1: 4:33pm On Oct 31, 2014 |
Just the first time ive seen you actually say the husband is the head of the home interesting bukatyne: |
Re: Love And Submission by bukatyne(f): 4:40pm On Oct 31, 2014 |
pickabeau1: Really? Assuming there has been no instance, did my previous posts on this tread not say so? |
Re: Love And Submission by pickabeau1: 4:41pm On Oct 31, 2014 |
Just explicit.. this time All the while.. implied .. But this is clear Maybe i missed the previous post bukatyne: |
Re: Love And Submission by bukatyne(f): 6:45pm On Oct 31, 2014 |
pickabeau1: No comment |
Re: Love And Submission by pickabeau1: 6:53pm On Oct 31, 2014 |
bukatyne: Ok |
Re: Love And Submission by Kay17: 7:33pm On Oct 31, 2014 |
bukatyne: What are the consequences of a woman submitting to a man during courtship, aren't you delivering a dangerous advice? The man can command for the "forbidden fruit" which isn't a legitimate request. In respect to the bolded, the woman does not need to wait for a husband's love to reciprocate to but why does the Bible say to the contrary? |
Re: Love And Submission by bukatyne(f): 8:22pm On Oct 31, 2014 |
Kay17: How can the man ask for punnany? We are talking Christian here and even if he says so, lady has the right to say no. Submission is not blind obedience and it is 'as to the Lord' Afteral, a married woman will not steal because her husbandsaid so. As much as we are one in marriage, salvation and judgement is personal I do not understand your last question |
Re: Love And Submission by Kay17: 8:51pm On Oct 31, 2014 |
bukatyne: So we can conclude that during every dating and courtship phase a woman goes through with a man she loves, she must submit to such man, right? And such submission must not be total submission but reasonable submission, right? |
Re: Love And Submission by bukatyne(f): 9:27pm On Oct 31, 2014 |
Kay17: Yea Did not get your other question though Besides, I am trying to understand how submission works in s.ex |
Re: Love And Submission by Kay17: 10:04pm On Oct 31, 2014 |
bukatyne: No you have excluded premarital sex as being sinful. So submission is not blind obedience but reasonable. |
Re: Love And Submission by bukatyne(f): 4:29pm On Nov 01, 2014 |
Kay17: OK then |
Re: Love And Submission by bukatyne(f): 5:05pm On Jul 05, 2015 |
Almost a year later Happy Sunday peeps! |
Re: Love And Submission by malvisguy212: 5:35pm On Jul 05, 2015 |
bukatyne:I agreed with the rest of the bible verses you present, but proverb 31 although the chapter described some excellent and wonderful point of a good wife, but I don't think is the perfect idea of a God fearing wife.take for example in verse 31: Proverbs 31:31 31 Give her the product of her hands, And let her works praise her in the gates This verse indicate that most of her worth comes from "her works"Her faith seems to be somewhat undeveloped or unnoticed. There is a suggestion of it in verse 25,which says, "she smiles at the future." One wonders whether she smiles because of her preparation and her works or because of her trust in the Lord. The story about Martha and Mary in the new testament how Jesus felt about faith versus works,mather was a hard working woman who did all the WORK and cooking but Mary wanted to be with Jesus and listen to what He was saying. Martha eventually got irked that her sister was sitting and "left me to do all the serving alone." when she told Jesus, Jesus say Mary had chosen the BEST choice. I can't help but think that the Proverbs 31 wife would have been working in the kitchen instead of listening to Jesus. |
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