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Re: Flaws Definition Of God Exposes In Atheism by PastorAIO: 12:18pm On Nov 09, 2014 |
addempsea: This is not an Atheist. Rather it describes an Agnostic. An atheist says: that there is no fruit in the box. Of course, he cannot prove that any more than the theist can prove the colour of the fruit in the box if the fruit existed. |
Re: Flaws Definition Of God Exposes In Atheism by PastorAIO: 12:40pm On Nov 09, 2014 |
FOLYKAZE: I vaguely remember saying something like this but it was tongue in cheek. I think I even phrased it as a question. So I asked: Is God anything that is worshipped? Why I love this thread so much is that it exposes a point that I've been trying to make on NL since I got here many years ago. Basically, 'God' is the most ill defined term in the whole world. If Atheists are struggling so much then imagine the mess that is in the heads of most theists. It seems that everyone is thinking of something slightly different when they say 'god'. However there are certain patterns that you can notice. Human beings have a tendency to anthropomorphise certain concepts and experiences. Freezing cold is personalised as a fellow called Jack Frost. Fortuity is personalised as Lady Luck. Justice too is personalised as a blind woman with a sword in one hand and a pair of scales in the other. Similarly God is just an anthropomorphication (I've just invented a word) of the concept of Absolute Authority. So whenever humans need justification for their actions they always conjure up one 'God' or another. How they dress up the anthropomorphication will vary from culture to culture but it all boils down to one thing, the God lends Authority to some activity or the other. This is one definition of God that is quite widespread. There are others. |
Re: Flaws Definition Of God Exposes In Atheism by Ymodulus: 1:09pm On Nov 09, 2014 |
@ Muskeeto thanks @PastorAIO. Lol. A nice funny post. Good piece I must say there. Lol!! I like the way you talked about Anthropomorphism, and your examples are nice I love the justice point of the lady with a sword. And also your conclusion in general. Good contribution, your explanation and contribution points to my previously heralded point that there are myriads of definition for the word god and that it is a fluid concept. Several views, several opinions and several perspective and dimensions. It can be a universal term. However from Folykaze explanation, o the guy is crazy ( complements not insult please. I mean this ) folykaze just have a weird unexisting view. |
Re: Flaws Definition Of God Exposes In Atheism by Weah96: 1:29pm On Nov 09, 2014 |
FOLYKAZE: I only care about exposing the lies being spread about personal Gods. Other ideas of God are not my concern. I'm totally fine with our planet being called Gaia or Goddess. At least I can SEE the earth, so call it what you like. Once you start praying to Gaia though, the rules change. She becomes a personal Goddess. 1 Like |
Re: Flaws Definition Of God Exposes In Atheism by PastorAIO: 1:37pm On Nov 09, 2014 |
Weah96: 'In Ondo town yesterday, it rain cat and dog'. olboi, if it rains dogs in ondo town.... Na manna from heaven be that o! |
Re: Flaws Definition Of God Exposes In Atheism by PastorAIO: 1:57pm On Nov 09, 2014 |
Ymodulus: The fluidity is not any how o! it must be fluid enough to suit being shaped for political purposes. That is mainly 'God' as an personalisation of the concept of Authority. There are other quite different things called God too. A man shuts himself in his room and meditates. In the course of his meditation he has an experience in which he finds himself coterminous with the rest of the world, all boundaries dissolve and it is accompanied with an experience of bliss. He concludes that he has had an encounter with God. But due to the nature of the experience he cannot make a distinction between this God and himself, and the rest of existence. Experiences such as these fuel what we call God, but this is a God that cannot be used to lend authority to human actions or to elevate one set of behaviour or culture above another. These two definitions of Gods, Authority and oneness of Being, often get conflated. There is also the God that is a nurturer. More often than not it is depicted as a Motherly figure rather than an Heavenly Father figure. Ultimately anywhere you find sustenance, Nurture, and a sense of Protection, these are personified as the Goddess. This definition of God as Protection, Protector, Protectress, might be linked to the mystical experience of being of one substance with the entirety of existence. 1 Like |
Re: Flaws Definition Of God Exposes In Atheism by Nobody: 2:05pm On Nov 09, 2014 |
What a read. |
Re: Flaws Definition Of God Exposes In Atheism by PastorAIO: 2:35pm On Nov 09, 2014 |
mazaje: I believe the deity that he is trying to refer to is Ebora Ile. Not Iyale. Iyale in yoruba simply means the first wife in the house. Iyawo is then used for the other lesser wives. Yes, the yoruba worship the earth as Ebora Ile. Igbo people do it too and call her Ala. 1 Like |
Re: Flaws Definition Of God Exposes In Atheism by Weah96: 2:46pm On Nov 09, 2014 |
FOLYKAZE: Atheism is only concerned with deities, bro. A general God is amorphous, merely a syntactical organization of words, correct as that arrangement may turn out to be. |
Re: Flaws Definition Of God Exposes In Atheism by sinequanon: 3:30pm On Nov 09, 2014 |
plaetton: If anything, your own thinking is even less critical. You are confusing scientific thinking with critical "thinking". Science has fundamental assumptions which, like a religion, has formed your belief system. Many religious folk at least understand that they have a belief. You have one, but don't even recognize it. |
Re: Flaws Definition Of God Exposes In Atheism by finofaya: 5:50pm On Nov 09, 2014 |
FOLYKAZE: The atheists on here don't sound hateful. Maybe forceful, which is necessary from time to time. What I still don't get is how you can say theos refers to divinities and deities, and then turn around to ask if atheists also deny the existence of non divine beings/things that have been labelled God. You need to remind yourself of the meaning of 'divinity' and 'deity'. Atheism does not relate to claims about influence or reverence. There has to be a supernatural element involved. So everything is Orisha. Sounds like pantheism to me, though you say there is no divinity in Orisha. This Orisha, is it a distinct being on its own? Or do you mean everything is Orisha the way you mean when you say everything is matter? People here have been telling you that they don't believe that Fela or any of the other things you mentioned, is God. What open admission are you talking about? Which of the Gods I don't believe in? Lol. ATHEISM, dude. You haven't succeeded in redefining it yet. |
Re: Flaws Definition Of God Exposes In Atheism by FOLYKAZE(m): 6:58pm On Nov 09, 2014 |
finofaya: The Hateist I am refering to are the militant atheists. I think there is saw the word 'hatetheist' on the internet sometimes ago, it best describe them. Divinity and deity is same thing like excellent and god. God has been broken to many things here but you have failed to tell us which God you tend to disbelieve or believe in it existence. Again I will repeat, you are God (Orisha). Do you disbelieve in your existence? And pls, supernatural has nothing to do with God. Everything in Nature is super. When there is no logical and emprical explanation for a phenomena, it is supernatural. |
Re: Flaws Definition Of God Exposes In Atheism by FOLYKAZE(m): 7:07pm On Nov 09, 2014 |
PastorAIO: Sorry, I saw the post on your thread. It was posted by Nuclearboy and not you. Here is the link.. . .https://www.nairaland.com/514524/what-god#6764672 PastorAIO: What authority? Could this authority be something like 'effect'? I will like to know more about this absolute authority. And pls do you add more definitions of God to this thread |
Re: Flaws Definition Of God Exposes In Atheism by FOLYKAZE(m): 7:11pm On Nov 09, 2014 |
Weah96: Anti-theism. No any other name for this abeg. Weah96: Do you believe Goddess Gaia exist even as an atheist? Yes or No pls Weah96: Prayer is more like enquires for one benefits. It is not all about closing eye and shouting Lord Gia at top voice. When you dig into the planet to know more, you are praying. Like Pastoraio put it, prayer is petition. |
Re: Flaws Definition Of God Exposes In Atheism by FOLYKAZE(m): 7:22pm On Nov 09, 2014 |
PastorAIO: I think the difference in Mother name in Yoruba comes from the clan. In Ikale, we call it Iyalẹ (Mother Earth) and not Iyale (First wife). In areas like Akotogbo, Irele and Ajagba, it is called Ilẹ. So pls forgive my phone, it cant write in Yoruba. . . .that is why ẹ is posted as e. I have to copy ẹ from a website. 1 Like |
Re: Flaws Definition Of God Exposes In Atheism by FOLYKAZE(m): 7:24pm On Nov 09, 2014 |
Weah96: Deity is God. God is Man. Does atheism not appy with man been God and deity? |
Re: Flaws Definition Of God Exposes In Atheism by plaetton: 9:38pm On Nov 09, 2014 |
sinequanon: I respectfully say hogwash. First , tell us in what way scientific thinking differs from critical thinking. Secondly, educate us on a few of these fundamental assumptions of science. And thirdly, explain how, in my own case, approaching and analyzing issues from a rational position is itself a belief system. 1 Like |
Re: Flaws Definition Of God Exposes In Atheism by finofaya: 10:07pm On Nov 09, 2014 |
FOLYKAZE: Truly, some atheists get rather aggressive about their non belief. But since your grouse is with a particular group of atheists, why do you take issue with atheism as a whole? Divinity and deity is same thing like excellent and god. That depends on which of the definitions you are using. Divine is a synonym for excellent. It is also a synonym for supernatural, and for supreme. God has been broken to many things here but you have failed to tell us which God you tend to disbelieve or believe in it existence. as it stands now, if there is a deity said to exist anywhere, I have more to say in support of its non existence. Here's the definition of deity I'm using: a supernatural being, like a god or goddess, which is worshipped by people who believe that it controls or exerts force over some part of the world. Again I will repeat, you are God (Orisha). Do you disbelieve in your existence? What exactly is Orisha? And pls, supernatural has nothing to do with God. Everything in Nature is super. Everything in nature is superwhat? If you mean supernatural, then what is natural? This is a meaningless statement, really. When there is no logical and emprical explanation for a phenomena, it is supernatural. No. It is unexplained, not supernatural. What do you even mean when you say you are atheist? |
Re: Flaws Definition Of God Exposes In Atheism by Idowuogbo(f): 10:24pm On Nov 09, 2014 |
Ymodulus:welcome back |
Re: Flaws Definition Of God Exposes In Atheism by Ymodulus: 10:30pm On Nov 09, 2014 |
Re: Flaws Definition Of God Exposes In Atheism by Idowuogbo(f): 10:35pm On Nov 09, 2014 |
Ymodulus:Me and famz are well oo...Glad you back in here doing ya thing. Send my regards to dizy.... be good for now onwards ok? Ciao! 1 Like |
Re: Flaws Definition Of God Exposes In Atheism by Ymodulus: 10:37pm On Nov 09, 2014 |
Idowuogbo: On both request I will thanks. Once more. 1 Like |
Re: Flaws Definition Of God Exposes In Atheism by Weah96: 3:55am On Nov 10, 2014 |
FOLYKAZE: I don't understand your confusion. Deity, as a word, rarely refers to amorphous deities, like my Ford Taurus. When almost anyone in the universe talks about God, they mean a deity who answers prayers. Other connotations of the word exist, of course, but that is by far the primary one. The reason is simple, there are over 2 billion Jesus people, and almost the same amount of Allah folks. 1 Like |
Re: Flaws Definition Of God Exposes In Atheism by sinequanon: 9:54pm On Nov 10, 2014 |
plaetton: Scientific thinking is bound and confined by fundamental scientific assumptions. Critical thinking is not. plaetton: That we live in a entirely mechanistic universe. That free will does not exist. That we live in a logically consistent universe. Occam's Razor. Intelligence only emerges at some large and complex scale, relative to fundamental particles. plaetton: You are using the word rational in a self-referential way. i.e by rational analysis, you mean analysis that conforms to the scientific assumptions mentioned above. (In your replies, you will continue to use such self-referential terms, probably without realizing it). It is similar to someone turning to the bible for analysis. Your belief system just happens to revolve around a different set of assumptions. |
Re: Flaws Definition Of God Exposes In Atheism by FOLYKAZE(m): 9:13am On Nov 11, 2014 |
Weah96: Prayer means petition. We pray to court. . . .not so? Judges are human and some are admired, adored and influencial person which qualifies them as Deity. Weah96: Are you atheists to primary connotion and believe in the secondary connotion of the word? |
Re: Flaws Definition Of God Exposes In Atheism by FOLYKAZE(m): 9:45am On Nov 11, 2014 |
finofaya: Hateists hate the word God. Though they claim to be atheist but are anti-theist. Atheists disbelieve in the existence of God. The thread is about definition of God. . . . . . .and would help I and others to know what definition of God atheism covers. finofaya: Is Nature not excellent? Can human and animal not be supreme? You keep on bringing up this supernatural stuff. Supernatural means a phenomena which is natural but cannot be explain with known law of nature. Human activities can be supernatural. Nature can be supernatural. Which mean divinity is of the gods and the gods are everything including the water you drinks. They are Gods. . . . Now, do you disbelieve in the existence of God defined as water? finofaya: Let me put knife into the neck of your definition. You define deity as: A supernatural being; Eistein is a supernatural being. God/goddess; going by the definition we have in the dictionary (influencial, admired and adored person), Einstein is a god. Been wroship by people; I dont need to go far here. I believe you think worship is all about going to church and mosque. Nope. . . .worship is acknowledging worth of something or someone. Einstein is been worshipped even by you. Force that control part of the world; Einstein took a massive control of science which changes lot of things in our world. He is a deity. Do you disbelieve in the existence of God (einstein)? finofaya: http://mysticcurio.tripod.com/orisha.htm finofaya: There is nothing like supernatural, everything in nature is super enough. finofaya: You might not accept it. But this is what the dictionary have to say supernatural: 1. (of a manifestation or event) attributed to some force beyond scientific understanding or the laws of nature. The bolded is what I described as unexplainable. If it is explainable, there should be understandable laws of nature which would employed. Note, science is a body of knowledge. The laws of nature are defines by science too. When a mnifestation defies or goes beyond this body of knowledge, it is called supernatural. finofaya: I am a spiritual atheist. |
Re: Flaws Definition Of God Exposes In Atheism by Weah96: 3:06pm On Nov 11, 2014 |
FOLYKAZE: Guy, ee be like say u dey argue for d sake of argument. How is a court the same as a DEITY? How can a judge be a deity? |
Re: Flaws Definition Of God Exposes In Atheism by PastorAIO: 3:43pm On Nov 11, 2014 |
Weah96: In this biblical passage Judges are referred to as gods. God standeth in the congregation of the mighty; he judgeth among the gods. 2How long will ye judge unjustly, and accept the persons of the wicked? Selah. 3Defend the poor and fatherless: do justice to the afflicted and needy. 4Deliver the poor and needy: rid them out of the hand of the wicked. 5They know not, neither will they understand; they walk on in darkness: all the foundations of the earth are out of course. 6I have said, Ye are gods |
Re: Flaws Definition Of God Exposes In Atheism by Weah96: 3:57pm On Nov 11, 2014 |
PastorAIO: The bible isn't exactly the model of common sense, or honesty, for that matter. |
Re: Flaws Definition Of God Exposes In Atheism by FOLYKAZE(m): 4:09pm On Nov 11, 2014 |
Weah96: You are the one that said praying to something makes it a Deity. People pray to the court. You hate anthromorphical God, while the law is anthromorpise. Deity is God. God can be influencial, admired and adored person; the judges falls here. Therefore judges are deity. |
Re: Flaws Definition Of God Exposes In Atheism by FOLYKAZE(m): 4:13pm On Nov 11, 2014 |
PastorAIO: Bible in so many verses call man god. In exo 22:28, Judges are refer to as Gods. |
Re: Flaws Definition Of God Exposes In Atheism by FOLYKAZE(m): 4:17pm On Nov 11, 2014 |
Weah96: Oga tell us, Judges are God. Do you disbelieve in the existence of Judges? |
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