Atheists claim that the absence of world peace indicates that God does not exist, since it would be obvious that He would grant world peace in request to sincere prayers in this regard. Superficially, it would seem that world peace would be a good thing - something that one would expect to fall within the will of a good God.they say,since God called everything he created good,there has to be world peace,The next statement indicates that a perfect, loving God must create ä universe that is perfect. This is the statement that is false
and invalidates the argument. Nowhere does the Bible state that the universe was created to be perfect. God Himself called it "good" and "very good," but never "perfect."

The question is, dos God want world peace?.However surprising as it may seem, world peace is not part of the will of God. In fact, Jesus said that His coming would cause division instead
of peace:
"Do you suppose that I came to grant peace on earth? I tell you, no,
but rather division; for from now on five members in one
household will be divided, three against two, and two against
three. They will be divided, father against son, and son against
father; mother against daughter, and daughter against mother;
mother-in-law against daughter- in-law, and daughter-in-law against mother-in-law." (Luke 12:51-53)

GOD WANTED YOU TO MAKE SPIRITUAL CHOICE.
God's main goal in creating the universe in which we live was not to
make a perfect place for people to live in. God's objective was to create
a temporary universe in which free will spiritual beings could make
spiritual choices. God's plan for the universe is to allow a large number of these spiritual beings (both angels and humans) to choose to spend eternity with Him. At the appointed time, God will call an end to the present universe and judge those who reject His invitation. That is the reason that we are here. We are to choose to love or oppose God. As Jesus said above, at least half of the people
will CHOOSE TO OPPOSE GOD AND TO OPPOSE THE PEOPLE WHO FOLLOW HIM.

SPIRITUAL CHOICES CAUSED WORLD DIVISION:
Jesus said that the division between His followers and those who
oppose Him will widen as time goes on:
"Then they will deliver you to tribulation, and will kill you, and you
will be hated by all nations on account of My name." (Matthew 24:9)
So, the reason why there is no world peace is because most people
have chosen to oppose God and do their own thing. Jesus said that
God will allow this unrighteousness to continue for quite a while,
then bring a quick end to the persecution of the righteous:
"For then there will be a great tribulation, such as has not occurred
since the beginning of the world until now, nor ever shall. And
unless those days had been cut short, no life would have been
saved; but for the sake of the elect those days shall be cut
short." (Matthew 24:21-22)
It is at this time that God will judge the world and the unrighteous.
Following this, God will destroy the universe and create a brand new one.

GOD'S CONCEPT OF PEACE:
Jesus, the Prince of Peace, did not come to give peace to the world,
but to give peace with God to the individual:
Therefore having been justified by faith, we have peace with God
through our Lord Jesus Christ. (Romans 5:1) This peace comes through repentance. Unfortunately, many people do
not know what true repentance means. Here is Thayer's Greek
definition of the word translated "repent":
1. to change one’s mind, i.e. to
repent
2. to change one’s mind for
better, heartily to amend
with abhorrence of one’s
past sins.

So, repentance is not simply saying a prayer and going along with
one's own idea of what is right. It is believing God and responding in that belief. The Bible states quite emphatically that individuals come to repentance, which leads to salvation. Of the many verses in the Bible that refer to the will of God, they all refer to the will of God in the life of the individual, not in regard to any kind of global effort. The Bible makes it clear that the goal of God is peace with individuals, and the He desires that all people come to this peace: This is good and acceptable in the sight of God our Savior, who
desires all men to be saved and to come to the knowledge of the
truth. For there is one God, and one mediator also between God and
men, the man Christ Jesus, (1 Timothy 2:3-5)

Choose God - don't go along with the crowd If you live to see the time of the end, remember what Jesus said. It will
seem that things are going quite well for unbelievers as the people of God are silenced by those who hate Him. When this occurs, there will be little time to choose to follow God and the choice will be difficult. However, it will be the only choice that will prevent you from being eternally separated from God and His home - heaven. Life is all about choices. God wants you to follow Jesus. I am not talking about becoming some right wing freak, just about following Jesus. Do the right thing!

Hmmm..my view,GOD'S initial plan was a perfect world..that was why e created perfect humans to rule nd dominate it initially...GOD gv dem a choice den,of which they erred nd dat is why we die today...GOD'S plan was nt 4 d earth 2 cum 2 dis level of chaos it faces 2day!....men interrupted his plans wen dey sinned.....secondly God isn't goin to distroy d earth,even Eccl chapter 1 says al tins pass away b d earth abides 4eva,d begining of a new heaven and earth is wen God removes doz dat choose nt 2 blive his son...nd continued in iniquity....*GOD repented dat e created men,bcuz dey went against his plan.....thnk u

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Giitheon:
Hmmm..my view,GOD'S initial plan was a perfect world..that was why e created perfect humans to rule nd dominate it initially...GOD gv dem a choice den,of which they erred nd dat is why we die today...GOD'S plan was nt 4 d earth 2 cum 2 dis level of chaos it faces 2day!....men interrupted his plans wen dey sinned.....secondly God isn't goin to distroy d earth,even Eccl chapter 1 says al tins pass away b d earth abides 4eva,d begining of a new heaven and earth is wen God removes doz dat choose nt 2 blive his son...nd continued in iniquity....*GOD repented dat e created men,bcuz dey went against his plan.....thnk u

do you know the meaning of perfect?were in the bible God called everything he created perfect?God gave us the freewill, to choose, freewill include good and evil, which mean the universe is not perfect. thank you.

malvisguy212:
do you know the meaning of perfect?were in the bible God called everything he created perfect?God gave us the freewill, to choose, freewill include good and evil, which mean the universe is not perfect. thank you.

yes i agree with u bro,bt wat i'm stressing is dat d fact perfect wasn't in d bible doesn't mean dat God didnt intend it...

Yes Sir, why can you summerize line by line, i have read to much today

As per your Topic God still answer prayer as regards to national Prayer... Pls read about John knos of Scotland... the Queen fear is pray than an army invasion a, eventual pray her out of throne.

The reason for chaos is that there are Choas Cooker who benefit from trouble, e.g. GWBush, with no sure evidence of WMD iin Iraq still invade the Country, Also there are spiritual force who just like Trouble Entertaimant etcetera.

Giitheon:
yes i agree with u bro,bt wat i'm stressing is dat d fact perfect wasn't in d bible doesn't mean dat God didnt intend it...

maby you dont understand me,God gave us the freewill to choose between good and evil,this is not a perfect world,this is like prepared your self(a refining by fire) to the place God promies those that love Him.our purpose on this universe is to love God or oppose Him.

ultraGM:
Yes Sir, why can you summerize line by line, i have read to much today

As per your Topic God still answer prayer as regards to national Prayer... Pls read about John knos of Scotland... the Queen fear is pray than an army invasion a, eventual pray her out of throne.

The reason for chaos is that there are Choas Cooker who benefit from trouble, e.g. GWBush, with no sure evidence of WMD iin Iraq still invade the Country, Also there are spiritual force who just like Trouble Entertaimant etcetera.

God grants prayers done in the "name of Jesus." "And whatever
you ask in My name, that will I do, that the Father may be glorified
in the Son." (John 14:13) This does not mean that all prayers ending in the words "in Jesus name" will be granted - but only those that
glorify the Father.sadly, in a world were people's are to make Spiritual choices causes world division,not everyone will agree with your spiritual the choice you make.they wont glorified the father.

@ OP, the atheists truly made another mistake. Heaven is the place where there is no pain and suffering, not Earth. Earth MUST have pain and suffering or else it will not be different from heaven and then heaven will be unnecessary.

As a result, prayer is a selfish thing in this world. Somebody has to suffer; why should it be the next person and not you? Anyway, the main reason it seems like prayer goes unanswered is because there must be suffering on Earth. You are right, this world is not more than 'good'.

malvisguy212:
maby you dont understand me,God gave us the freewill to choose between good and evil,this is not a perfect world,this is like prepared your self(a refining by fire) to the place God promies those that love Him.our purpose on this universe is to love God or oppose Him.

i understand u bro,my own point is,that this 'prepare urslf word'wasn't Gods plan.....it was adam nd eve's sin that brought abt dis choice wheather to love God or notThats what i mean sir.hope we are clear??

Giitheon:
i understand u bro,my own point is,that this 'prepare urslf word'wasn't Gods plan.....it was adam nd eve's sin that brought abt dis choice wheather to love God or notThats what i mean sir.hope we are clear??

ok, i understand you.thank you for your contribution.

malvisguy212:
ok, i understand you.thank you for your contribution.

u are welcome sir.

finofaya:
@ OP, the atheists truly made another mistake. Heaven is the place where there is no pain and suffering, not Earth. Earth MUST have pain and suffering or else it will not be different from heaven and then heaven will be unnecessary.

As a result, prayer is a selfish thing in this world. Somebody has to suffer; why should it be the next person and not you? Anyway, the main reason it seems like prayer goes unanswered is because there must be suffering on Earth. You are right, this world is not more than 'good'.

John 14:12-14King James Version (KJV)

12 Verily, verily, I say unto you, He that believeth on me, the works that I do shall he do also; and greater works than these shall he do; because I go unto my Father.

13 And whatsoever ye shall ask in my name, that will I do, that the Father may be glorified in the Son.

14 If ye shall ask any thing in my name, I will do it.

Weah96:



John 14:12-14King James Version (KJV)

12 Verily, verily, I say unto you, He that believeth on me, the works that I do shall he do also; and greater works than these shall he do; because I go unto my Father.

13 And whatsoever ye shall ask in my name, that will I do, that the Father may be glorified in the Son.

14 If ye shall ask any thing in my name, I will do it.

So if a "born again" theist were to pay for world hunger to end.....it should end, shouldn't it?..
So has nobody ever prayed this?....if no,it would imply the self centered nature of prayer to people you know or met....
if yes,it would imply that.....prayer doesn't work......
Clearly somalia is still a hunger stricken wasteland....

davien:
So if a "born again" theist were to pay for world hunger to end.....it should end, shouldn't it?..
So has nobody ever prayed this?....if no,it would imply the self centered nature of prayer to people you know or met....
if yes,it would imply that.....prayer doesn't work......
Clearly somalia is still a hunger stricken wasteland....

Jesus disproves himself. I used to be "born again" and 99% of my prayers were altruistic in nature.

Weah96:



John 14:12-14King James Version (KJV)

12 Verily, verily, I say unto you, He that believeth on me, the works that I do shall he do also; and greater works than these shall he do; because I go unto my Father.

13 And whatsoever ye shall ask in my name, that will I do, that the Father may be glorified in the Son.

14 If ye shall ask any thing in my name, I will do it.

And what is this supposed to mean? I don't think you are well grounded scripturally.

Obviously it is not every prayer that can be granted. For example God cannot grant one a prayer to become Godlike, or a prayer to run into a huge amount of money. Similarly, a prayer to end world suffering can never be granted. That is like praying for hell fire to quench. What is God to do with such prayers?

There is a balance of suffering that must be maintained, so some prayers will be answered and others won't.

Giitheon:
Hmmm..my view,GOD'S initial plan was a perfect world..that was why e created perfect humans to rule nd dominate it initially...GOD gv dem a choice den,of which they erred nd dat is why we die today...GOD'S plan was nt 4 d earth 2 cum 2 dis level of chaos it faces 2day!....men interrupted his plans wen dey sinned.....secondly God isn't goin to distroy d earth,even Eccl chapter 1 says al tins pass away b d earth abides 4eva,d begining of a new heaven and earth is wen God removes doz dat choose nt 2 blive his son...nd continued in iniquity....*GOD repented dat e created men,bcuz dey went against his plan.....thnk u

do you people reason at all? How can perfect humans err?

finofaya:


And what is this supposed to mean? I don't think you are well grounded scripturally.

Obviously it is not every prayer that can be granted. For example God cannot grant one a prayer to become Godlike, or a prayer to run into a huge amount of money. Similarly, a prayer to end world suffering can never be granted. That is like praying for hell fire to quench. What is God to do with such prayers?

There is a balance of suffering that must be maintained, so some prayers will be answered and others won't.

balance of suffering you say?this is sarcasm isn't it?

finofaya:


And what is this supposed to mean? I don't think you are well grounded scripturally.

Obviously it is not every prayer that can be granted. For example God cannot grant one a prayer to become Godlike, or a prayer to run into a huge amount of money. Similarly, a prayer to end world suffering can never be granted. That is like praying for hell fire to quench. What is God to do with such prayers?

There is a balance of suffering that must be maintained, so some prayers will be answered and others won't.

Of course there are outrageous demands, but they are few and far between.

Praying for the Ebola virus to disappear immediately or for every case of pediatric cancer to disappear are requests that are neither self-centered nor conceited.

Did you forget that Jesus was not only raising dead people left and right, but RAISED HIMSELF FROM THE DEAD?

At least raise one dead human being in his name, just ONE. Leave the quenching hell fire and becoming godlike ideas for a later date.

Ranchhoddas:
balance of suffering you say?this is sarcasm isn't it?

What other balance do you propose?

finofaya:


What other balance do you propose?

how about no suffering at all?

Weah96:


Of course there are outrageous demands, but they are few and far between.

Praying for the Ebola virus to disappear immediately or for every case of pediatric cancer to disappear are requests that are neither self-centered nor conceited.

Did you forget that Jesus was not only raising dead people left and right, but RAISED HIMSELF FROM THE DEAD?

At least raise one dead human being in his name, just ONE. Leave the quenching hell fire and becoming godlike ideas for a later date.

Do you have a dead body that you want to re-animate? Dead bodies have been raised (I don't mean elevated) before, you can use that as proof of concept.

The point I'm trying to make is that granting every prayer, even seemingly innocuous ones like raising ONE person from the dead, will lead to earth becoming Utopia. If God allows it, with enough time we will pray away every ill affecting mankind. What then are we to do with heaven, when we have everything we need here?

So some prayers have to be refused, no matter how innocent or altruistic.

finofaya:


Do you have a dead body that you want to re-animate? Dead bodies have been raised (I don't mean elevated) before, you can use that as proof of concept.

The point I'm trying to make is that granting every prayer, even seemingly innocuous ones like raising ONE person from the dead, will lead to earth becoming Utopia. If God allows it, with enough time we will pray away every ill affecting mankind. What then are we to do with heaven, when we have everything we need here?

So some prayers have to be refused, no matter how innocent or altruistic.

Do I hear you calling Jesus a LIAR? He was very clear about this. Go back and read.

Weah96:



John 14:12-14King James Version (KJV)

12 Verily, verily, I say unto you, He that believeth on me, the works that I do shall he do also; and greater works than these shall he do; because I go unto my Father.

13 And whatsoever ye shall ask in my name, that will I do, that the Father may be glorified in the Son.

14 If ye shall ask any thing in my name, I will do it.

God grants prayers done in the "name of Jesus." "And whatever
you ask in My name, that will I do, that the Father may be glorified
in the Son." (John 14:13) This does not mean that all prayers ending in
the words "in Jesus name" will be granted - but only those that
glorify the Father.sadly, in a world were people's are to make Spiritual
choices causes world division,not everyone will agree with your spiritual the choice you make.they wont glorified the father.

Weah96:


Jesus disproves himself. I used to be "born again" and 99% of my prayers were altruistic in nature.

do you know the meaning of born again?'you were never a christian

God answer prayer,but the point is this, world peace is not in the will of God, because there is freewill, evil got to be there for man to choose to love God or opposed Him, the world human wish for is not in this life,bible encourage us to make peace with God.as long as there is evil and God allow evil to happen for man to have option,it will bbe difficult for world peace to happen.

malvisguy212:
do you know the meaning of born again?'you were never a christian

I was even more deluded than you are today, and that's saying a lot.

malvisguy212:
God answer prayer,but the point is this, world peace is not in the will of God, because there is freewill, evil got to be there for man to choose to love God or opposed Him, the world human wish for is not in this life,bible encourage us to make peace with God.as long as there is evil and God allow evil to happen for man to have option,it will bbe difficult for world peace to happen.

Why does it have to be world peace? Why not the complete and immediate eradication of Ebola? My friend, find a better rationalization.

What is the purpose of Ebola? Does it serve as a choice between evil and good too?

Weah96:


Why does it have to be world peace? Why not the complete and immediate eradication of Ebola? My friend, find a better rationalization.

What is the purpose of Ebola? Does it serve as a choice between evil and good too?

your question has no answer,because no one know were it began,how the first ever ebola case strart,or you have any idea?someone must have made a choice in other for ebola to spread,for example, an hiv paitence because he contected hiv from someone, he choose to spread it. if you make peace with God, evil will not come to you.

malvisguy212:
your question has no answer,because no one know were it began,how the first ever ebola case strart,or you have any idea?someone must have made a choice in other for ebola to spread,for example, an hiv paitence because he contected hiv from someone, he choose to spread it. if you make peace with God, evil will not come to you.

This is NOT what Jesus said in bible. Go back and read John 14:12-14.

Weah96:


This is NOT what Jesus said in bible. Go back and read John 14:12-14.

i do not say God dont answer prayer,world peace is not in the will of God,as long as evil are there,it will be difficult for world peace to come, if you start from john 14:11-12. Verse 11 say believe in God,do you believe in God? No,this choice you make will not bring peace in your family, your mum will not agree with your choice of abandon God,you will not agree with your mum choice of following God. This is the division jesus was talking about.

malvisguy212:
i do not say God dont answer prayer,world peace is not in the will of God,as long as evil are there,it will be difficult for world peace to come, if you start from john 14:11-12. Verse 11 say believe in God,do you believe in God? No,this choice you make will not bring peace in your family, your mum will not agree with your choice of abandon God,you will not agree with your mum choice of following God. This is the division jesus was talking about.

I believe in Jesus as much as you. Hahaha. The man told you that his true believers will perform even greater wonders in his name than he, and you're still here lying about believing in him.

Every time you call yourself a follower of Jesus, it's like a direct insult. You're calling Jesus a LIAR.