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Re: Internet Revolution Can Destroy Scholarship - Soyinka by Nobody: 5:21pm On Nov 16, 2014
Blakyclyde:

It wasn't a sacarsm, brother.
It was meant to be a joke.

Don't tell me you don't read books because you're trying to prevent the depletion of the ozone layer!
hehehe , don't mind these folks
Re: Internet Revolution Can Destroy Scholarship - Soyinka by Nobody: 5:23pm On Nov 16, 2014
musicwriter:
Soyinka certainly belong to the old-school writers who have issues with online book publishiing.

Contrary to his views, the internet actually give more power to whomever want to read. The internet makes you read more. Studying online have many advantages. You can make easy references, enlarge words, e.t.c.

I'm reading and replying this from a mobile device; something that would have been impossible in the 80's. What is he even saying?
how many people visit the Internet because they want to read ? That's his point. He isn't talking about reading threads on NL
Re: Internet Revolution Can Destroy Scholarship - Soyinka by JayEye(m): 5:24pm On Nov 16, 2014
abdulwastecx:
In my 200 level, my engineering communication lecturer was accusing me of having a northern accent and not been able to pronounce some words properly. he told me that English language has made it possible for scientific principles to be expressed properly. The question I ask him then was why Japan with 127million people has produce several nobel prize winners in science and technology and can be boast of several world class infrastructure, engineering capability and third largest economy by speaking a japanese kanji language
How does that relate to the topic Mtcheww.

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Re: Internet Revolution Can Destroy Scholarship - Soyinka by Nobody: 5:27pm On Nov 16, 2014
Feraz:
You sir, I'm sorry to say have this mentality of what many undergraduates here in Nigeria complain about their lecturers. You among the school of people who believe whatever a professeur says is the ultimate judging from your above post. You believe a child is wrong whenever an adult speaks up. You believe the professeur being discussed here can never be wrong but the above post you quoted is wrong.

The truth is people are trying to save trees for the world to go back to being the way it was.

And Africanapple, that's a hasty generalisation. Not everyone love abbreviations when writing. I for one, hate such. I must have done it sometime back when I had my first phone but not anymore.
saving trees does not mean you should stop writing. The message is simple, don't print or write if it is not needed. That's the message of saving the ozone layer.
Re: Internet Revolution Can Destroy Scholarship - Soyinka by herald9: 5:42pm On Nov 16, 2014
majekdom2:
who is talking about nairaland writing ..... That must be humor I guess. How many still write like him and china Achebe.
Thank God someone is seeing the humour in that post.

Maybe others were too serious to see it that way.

I can give you a few names...but that's a story for another day cool
Re: Internet Revolution Can Destroy Scholarship - Soyinka by Nobody: 5:44pm On Nov 16, 2014
majekdom2:
education is never meant to be cheap.... You don't value what you get easily.
Being cheap in monetary value won't make the user take it for granted because there is still academic work that is hard work.
Re: Internet Revolution Can Destroy Scholarship - Soyinka by prophetfire: 5:47pm On Nov 16, 2014
AceOfDiamonds:
Its said that if you are trying to hide anything from Nigerians, put it in a book ; they wouldnt bother checking/reading it...


But seriously,the adverse effects aside,the internet has helped in a plethora of ways which cannot be overlooked

Shoutout to the earlier generations who made it through school without search engines cheesy
How they did it,i haven't the faintest of ideas grin
to be sincere internet has seriously reduced scholarly efforts n mind development.take myself as an example,whn access to the net wasnt there,one would dig through heaps of books researching and searching for information.in the process,u read a lot,acquire a lot of knowledge, become more enlightened,and to a larger extent develope ur mind better.u also get to write a lot and this makes you to develope your literary skills better.but now @ de press of a button,u get all you want effortlessly.it encourages laziness n laxity n this dsnt help to develope d mind.it now makes peeps to depend on copy n paste. Books can be time consuming but its better for deep mental development.

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Re: Internet Revolution Can Destroy Scholarship - Soyinka by lanxlot(m): 5:49pm On Nov 16, 2014
Lordseyad:
it's 3:58 pm.. Over 24hrs .. And all u got is 2likes... Chai.. People don dey stingy with likes sha..
Hahaha, over 24 hours? it seems as if u'av lost touch with reality.
Re: Internet Revolution Can Destroy Scholarship - Soyinka by Nobody: 5:50pm On Nov 16, 2014
blink182:
Being cheap in monetary value won't make the user take it for granted because there is still academic work that is hard work.
the academic work is what prof is talking about.some undergrads don't even take lecture notes... What do you make of that? Where is the hardwork ?
Re: Internet Revolution Can Destroy Scholarship - Soyinka by musicwriter(m): 5:52pm On Nov 16, 2014
majekdom2:
how many people visit the Internet because they want to read ? That's his point. He isn't talking about reading threads on NL

i think you grossly misunderstood what I said. I'm talking about studying not just reading Nairaland. I gave you that as an example of what the internet can do in terms of easy access to study materials. If you knew what power the internet have in terms of education you wouldn't be of this ancient opinion.
Today you can enroll online, study online, and get a real degree from a real school with or without hard books. My junior brother is currently pursuing a degree in computer science at Massachussettes institute of technology USA ''all online'', he have never been to the USA!. The world have changed my friend.
Re: Internet Revolution Can Destroy Scholarship - Soyinka by Nobody: 5:57pm On Nov 16, 2014
herald9:

Thank God someone is seeing the humour in that post.

Maybe others were too serious to see it that way.

I can give you a few names...but that's a story for another day cool
The Nigerians making waves do so abroad e.g the neuroscientist nigerian that made a first class in America, we barely have nigerian early age youths making global impacts the way prof and his likes did.
Re: Internet Revolution Can Destroy Scholarship - Soyinka by KLand(m): 5:58pm On Nov 16, 2014
AceOfDiamonds:
Its s

Shoutout to the earlier generations who made it through school without search engines cheesy
How they did it,i haven't the faintest of ideas grin

They made it through library books. Whatever they wanted to find out, they searched out from the library......
Fast forward to the present age. Looking for any information.? Ask Google! Same end different means.
Re: Internet Revolution Can Destroy Scholarship - Soyinka by Rooneyboy(m): 6:01pm On Nov 16, 2014
AfricanApple:
that's it na, u consult d internet and think u have known it all, grab a book and u will see u are just about to know more

U are still getting it wrong dear , u are talking of "a book" --- just one author and I'm talking of opinions of so many authors.

All I'm trying to say is that we shouldn't just swallow the opinion of one individual all because he/she is a proff or doctor, gone are those days dear.

We do have thousands of proffs on the net(world wide) giving out vital informations, y then must I SWALLOW the opinion of a prof in ibadan/enugu/or akure that has probably never left the shores of the country before
Re: Internet Revolution Can Destroy Scholarship - Soyinka by Nobody: 6:06pm On Nov 16, 2014
majekdom2:
the academic work is what prof is talking about.some undergrads don't even take lecture notes... What do you make of that? Where is the hardwork ?
Taking notes is a means to an end-to enable us make reference to past lectures. What is the need for it if I can get my notes via other means?

I was going through my younger sister's laptop who is studying computer engineering in one of our universities, I was baffled by some pictures I saw in her library-they were pictures of notes taken by others. My sister is in 400 level currently and a high 4 pointer.

Reading the notes taken and retaining it in memory no matter the means through which the note was produced is hard work enough by far harder than the writing professor is talking about.

While in secondary school, my literature teacher during a class said the school should have a dedicated typist that create notes so that when he comes to class, he doesn't have to waste time giving us notes but spend the whole 45 minutes explaining the topic and holding a question and answer session thereafter.

The world is moving fast, perhaps too fast but the reality is you either follow or get left behind.

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Re: Internet Revolution Can Destroy Scholarship - Soyinka by koolg: 6:08pm On Nov 16, 2014
liveyourlife:


Source: http://www.vanguardngr.com/2014/11/internet-revolution-can-destroy-scholarship-says-soyinka/


Via http://


Is reading and writing of books not a western culture which enslaved the adherents? Or why is the internet now a crime if books are not crimes
Re: Internet Revolution Can Destroy Scholarship - Soyinka by Nobody: 6:09pm On Nov 16, 2014
musicwriter:


i think you grossly misunderstood what I said. I'm talking about studying not just reading Nairaland. I gave you that as an example of what the internet can do in terms of easy access to study materials. If you knew what power the internet have in terms of education you wouldn't be of this ancient opinion.
Today you can enroll online, study online, and get a real degree from a real school with or without hard books. My junior brother is currently pursuing a degree in computer science at Massachussettes institute of technology USA ''all online'', he have never been to the USA!. The world have changed my friend.
I never said the Internet does not have its great importance, yea, you can get degrees but you and I know it is never the same dont be decieved. You should read this www.bloomberg.com/news/2014-01-21/harvard-online-courses-dropped-by-95-of-registered-study-says.html. I read a lot of engineering materials online but it does not stop me from reading my engineering books. As an engineer I make use of more than one resource material when studying comparing and contrasting. U can barely do this online.
Re: Internet Revolution Can Destroy Scholarship - Soyinka by Nobody: 6:21pm On Nov 16, 2014
blink182:
Taking notes is a means to an end-to enable us make reference to past lectures. What is the need for it if I can get my notes via other means?

I was going through my younger sister's laptop who is studying computer engineering in one of our universities, I was baffled by some pictures I saw in her library-they were pictures of notes taken by others. My sister is in 400 level currently and a high 4 pointer.

Reading the notes taken and retaining it in memory no matter the means through which the note was produced is hard work enough by far harder than the writing professor is talking about.

While is secondary school, my literature teacher during a class said the school should have a dedicated typist that create notes so that when he comes to class, he doesn't have to waste time giving us notes but spend the whole 45 minutes explaining the topic and holding a question and answer session thereafter.

The world is moving fast, perhaps too fast but the reality is you either follow or get left behind.
you find it easier to comprehend other people's notes than your own personal note ? And that's the problem , when you dont read what you took in your own word,you try to retain it in your memory not that it sticks there because you understand ..... That's no hardwork , you just wanna pass . And pls secondary education notes is different from whatever notes you take at meetings and your university. That's what we keep saying , the world is moving , yes the people moving the world don't relent on their efforts on these issues, you should watch student Skype interviews on CNN or aljazeera, you will stil see the well stocked library. It is even advised when you have interviews via Skype, you library should be te background. Read on that.
Re: Internet Revolution Can Destroy Scholarship - Soyinka by Nobody: 6:23pm On Nov 16, 2014
prophetfire:
to be sincere internet has seriously reduced scholarly efforts n mind development.take myself as an example,whn access to the net wasnt there,one would dig through heaps of books researching and searching for information.in the process,u read a lot,acquire a lot of knowledge, become more enlightened,and to a larger extent develope ur mind better.u also get to write a lot and this makes you to develope your literary skills better.but now @ de press of a button,u get all you want effortlessly.it encourages laziness n laxity n this dsnt help to develope d mind.it now makes peeps to depend on copy n paste. Books can be time consuming but its better for deep mental development.
well only , true readers know this.
Re: Internet Revolution Can Destroy Scholarship - Soyinka by Nobody: 6:34pm On Nov 16, 2014
majekdom2:
you find it easier to comprehend other people's notes than your own personal note ? And that's the problem , when you dont read what you took in your own word,you try to retain it in your memory not that it sticks there because you understand ..... That's no hardwork , you just wanna pass . And pls secondary education notes is different from whatever notes you take at meetings and your university. That's what we keep saying , the world is moving , yes the people moving the world don't relent on their efforts on these issues, you should watch student Skype interviews on CNN or aljazeera, you will stil see the well stocked library. It is even advised when you have interviews via Skype, you library should be te background. Read on that.
that's just hypocrisy. I know the reality on ground and I accept it.

Professor has his views and I have mine.
Re: Internet Revolution Can Destroy Scholarship - Soyinka by ALKARULEZ615(m): 6:35pm On Nov 16, 2014
majekdom2:
you may never achieve what he achieved in your lifetime.
what is this one saying?
Re: Internet Revolution Can Destroy Scholarship - Soyinka by musicwriter(m): 6:40pm On Nov 16, 2014
majekdom2:
I never said the Internet does not have its great importance, yea, you can get degrees but you and I know it is never the same dont be decieved. You should read this www.bloomberg.com/news/2014-01-21/harvard-online-courses-dropped-by-95-of-registered-study-says.html. I read a lot of engineering materials online but it does not stop me from reading my engineering books. As an engineer I make use of more than one resource material when studying comparing and contrasting. U can barely do this online.

Neither am I against your good-old-books. But I laugh when you talk about comparing and contrasting information with your books.

Let me tell you; if you've ever wanted to compare and contrast information there's no resource available today greater than the internet. It appears because most of us in this part of the world don't pay for subscriptions for online stuffs we're not aware, for example that almost all the books and materials you will ever need for your reference are all on the internet. If you're willing to pay you'll get all your research documents online, that's if you can't find it for free which I doubt. I'll also like to tell you your books will eventually vanish and give way to digital books. It's not a matter of ''if'' but ''when'' it will happen. Example; Encyclopedia Britanica announced few years back it would only be available digitally and many publications have already done so. Some authors like Soyinka feel it would undermine their works but he's making a huge mistake. Google books have actually been encouraging them for years that it will actually help them. We live in the digital age. In 10-20 years even your school library may be in your pocket as a mobile APP. That's the future!.
Re: Internet Revolution Can Destroy Scholarship - Soyinka by AfricanApple(f): 7:15pm On Nov 16, 2014
herald9:

Google is not just a fountain that springs It's own water.. it gathers resources from different sites...It's left for you to use your discretion to choose Which best fit your purpose...
If you doubt the authenticity of one...there are dozen other choices to choose from.
And not all of them can be wrong... If Google wasn't authentic they would've been massive protest and lawsuits against them.

There are two mediums here...The book and the internet... These two are genuine or Maybe you know of a medium I don't know about.


And you should be intelligent enough to know the correct words and full spellings...At least we all attended schoolssmiley


Can you compare the price of books to that of data?

For example....With 100 Naira you can buy airtel's WTF bundle Which is 50mb and download up to 15 books in both PDF and epub formats...Thanks to the brilliant minds behind the numerous ebook readers we've in the market today.

Meanwhile the last book (novel) I bought costs me N1500....Yet when I searched my ebook reader I found the Same book...it was less than 1mb!


But you're quoting megrin


My love for books is hereditary... not even the internet can destroy that trait...

And to your last question..... I've got my roomwink

NB: That 2000 was only an exaggerationsad
what discretion are u talking about when u will be seeing different answers, u will actually get confused especially when d subject is new to u and u know nothing about it. I never said they are all wrong but how will u know for sure that this is right if u have no book or strong source to compare it.
d other day I was making a research, I checked two webs and they gave me two different answers, imagine datundecided


u have forgotten dat u could get too use use to dem dat u forget some spellings during exams, the culture of books might die remember? meaning no reading of books at all

u bought a novel for 1500? dats not true

quoting u does not mean we are talking about undecided


I knew u meant 20 books grin
Re: Internet Revolution Can Destroy Scholarship - Soyinka by Nobody: 7:21pm On Nov 16, 2014
abdulwastecx:
In my 200 level, my engineering communication lecturer was accusing me of having a northern accent and not been able to pronounce some words properly. he told me that English language has made it possible for scientific principles to be expressed properly. The question I ask him then was why Japan with 127million people has produce several nobel prize winners in science and technology and can be boast of several world class infrastructure, engineering capability and third largest economy by speaking a japanese kanji language
You're right...but language is not our problem.
Re: Internet Revolution Can Destroy Scholarship - Soyinka by AfricanApple(f): 7:22pm On Nov 16, 2014
LordReed:


Please explain how the fact that we can now access more information than is available in your physical vicinity is negative.

The prof got it wrong big time.
it's not d fact that we can access it dat is negative but what we are accessing
Re: Internet Revolution Can Destroy Scholarship - Soyinka by AfricanApple(f): 7:25pm On Nov 16, 2014
Feraz:
You sir, I'm sorry to say have this mentality of what many undergraduates here in Nigeria complain about their lecturers. You among the school of people who believe whatever a professeur says is the ultimate judging from your above post. You believe a child is wrong whenever an adult speaks up. You believe the professeur being discussed here can never be wrong but the above post you quoted is wrong.

The truth is people are trying to save trees for the world to go back to being the way it was.

And Africanapple, that's a hasty generalisation. Not everyone love abbreviations when writing. I for one, hate such. I must have done it sometime back when I had my first phone but not anymore.
its not hasty generalisation, it what I see everyday na


so u mean u got all d time in d world to be writing in full
Re: Internet Revolution Can Destroy Scholarship - Soyinka by AfricanApple(f): 7:37pm On Nov 16, 2014
Rooneyboy:


U are still getting it wrong dear , u are talking of "a book" --- just one author and I'm talking of opinions of so many authors.

All I'm trying to say is that we shouldn't just swallow the opinion of one individual all because he/she is a proff or doctor, gone are those days dear.

We do have thousands of proffs on the net(world wide) giving out vital informations, y then must I SWALLOW the opinion of a prof in ibadan/enugu/or akure that has probably never left the shores of the country before
I am not swallowing d opinion of anyone, I supported him cos i believe so, I've once discussed dis same thing on this forum.

truly speaking d culture of book is dying slowly and it will be very bad.
if d net is really effective in reading and writing, why are thousands of Nigerian youth lacking d ability to write and speak well
Re: Internet Revolution Can Destroy Scholarship - Soyinka by Feraz(m): 7:50pm On Nov 16, 2014
AfricanApple:
its not hasty generalisation, it what I see everyday na


so u mean u got all d time in d world to be writing in full
Yeah. . . I have all the time to do so. . . .
Re: Internet Revolution Can Destroy Scholarship - Soyinka by AfricanApple(f): 7:55pm On Nov 16, 2014
Feraz:
Yeah. . . I have all the time to do so. . . .
Lol, I thought its jobless people who have such time grin

whareva sha, everyone to their opinions. I really believe the gov't or whoever should help in saving d culture of book reading,
Re: Internet Revolution Can Destroy Scholarship - Soyinka by LordReed(m): 8:01pm On Nov 16, 2014
AfricanApple:
it's not d fact that we can access it dat is negative but what we are accessing

What do you access on the internet?
Re: Internet Revolution Can Destroy Scholarship - Soyinka by Nobody: 8:13pm On Nov 16, 2014
@AfricanApple Thanks for bringing me here.

I see many peeps saying Wole Soyinka is wrong, I don't know your stance, but I think these people are wrong!

Pay keen attention to these statements of his;

The heavy reliance on internet for academic activities would soon witness the end of books as instrument for mind development and potential building"

He said that such communication gadgets like computers and IPAD were capable of bringing an end to the culture of book writing and reading, adding that the end point should be how to find a way of collaborating between book writing and use of internet knowledge.

I wouldn't want to elaborate anymore than I have the power to do at the moment. But looking at the first quote (The emboldened in particular), you'll find that the prof. hit the nail on the head; Nigerian students are so guilty as charged on this count. We are most often than not, copy and paste experts.

And in the second quote, I am not really concerned with the former part of that comment.

The later part is where my interest lies in..

Having identified a problem, he proffers a solution. And in my opinion, that's the right way to go about this whole thing - A merging of sorts, rather than a total dependence on the internet.

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Re: Internet Revolution Can Destroy Scholarship - Soyinka by herald9: 8:14pm On Nov 16, 2014
AfricanApple:
what discretion are u talking about when u will be seeing different answers, u will actually get confused especially when d subject is new to u and u know nothing about it. I never said they are all wrong but how will u know for sure that this is right if u have no book or strong source to compare it.
d other day I was making a research, I checked two webs and they gave me two different answers, imagine datundecided
How can you start searching for something when you don't know anything about it.

You might have certainly jot down keywords.. all you need do is to turn them into questions.

The answers Google gives you depends on the questions you asked and how you asked them.

If you can't get a favourable result... you twist the question ... you'll certainly Come across something.

You shouldn't expect to get 100% answers to your questions... You'll need to exercise your intelligence too...After all those things weren't written by robots .

I agree books can act as a backup here....but in the absence of books...you got no choice.

u have forgotten dat u could get too use use to dem dat u forget some spellings during exams, the culture of books might die remember? meaning no reading of books at all
I think someone needs to draw a line between when to be serious and when not to.

Books will still be there...I can't be held responsible if they're stripped of their culture...the internet has Come to stay...face itcheesy

u bought a novel for 1500? dats not true
na you been sell am give me?undecided
Go ask the price of A TIME TO KILL BY JOHN GRISHAM

quoting u does not mean we are talking about u undecided
I can only answer for myself... people's opinions differscheesy


I knew u meant 20 books grin
angry
Not actually.... It's up to one thousand four something....
When I get my shelf...I'll call you to Come commission itcheesy
Re: Internet Revolution Can Destroy Scholarship - Soyinka by emmatok(m): 8:20pm On Nov 16, 2014
herald9:
The only time our professor is wrong.

We've been reading and writing a lot on Nairaland I don't know where he got the idea that there's a decline in reading and writing.
With the introduction of cheap smart phones and cheaper data bundles.. one would think It's an encouragement for we Africans to explore the internet the more; having been previously rated as the most backward continent based on internet use by the West.

If professor thinks otherwise then he must really be high on 1860 books.



my 3coins!

Coming from Nigerians who can't read four paragraph on nairaland.

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