John 3:16 reads: " God (YHWH;JHVH,JEHOVAH) Sent his only begotten son ( Jesus) .." !! Scripture neva said God sent another part of him But He sent his only begoten son , for more clarification, lets see another scripture where the same greek word for only begotten son is used!! In heb 11:17 we read " Abraham attempted to offer up his only begotten son" ! Is isaac the same person called Abraham ?? ... Is Isaac Equal with Abraham?? The answers are clear and direct ! It simply shows d relationship btw Abraham and his only begotten son, Isaac !!! Christ differentiate himself from the Almighty God saying " exercise faith in God; exercise faith also in me" john 14:1 !!! The apostle paul clarifies it again sayin " I Charge u before God and Christ Jesus and the chosen angels" 1tim 5:21 ! That clarifies God the supreme being From Christ Jesus the only begotten son and from the chosen angels !!! " for us there is one God, the Father " 1cor 8:5,6 thats d person Jesus also called "father in heaven"mat6:9

the concept of trinity can never make sense to common sense...

it is what it is

God the father
God the son and
God the Holy spirit

they exist independently yet they are one...

it is not a subject to be debated rather it is to be respected

have a nice day yall

D simplest I cn put it is this,

God is an office, nt a prsn or prsonality
In it there is
God d father, which u can called Jehovah
God d son, which is Jesus christ
God d holy spirit

If u understand that u might b closer to Christianity dn religion

morefire:
the concept of trinity can never make sense to common sense...

it is what it is

God the father
God the son and
God the Holy spirit

they exist independently yet they are one...

u call an absurdity a mystery !!! God is not three entity existing in one, " God is ONLY One" Gal 3:20 , do ur reasearch on d word "ONLY" !!! Such a triune God is not what Jesus teach when he states clearly that: " WE (Including Him) Worship what WE know" john 4:22

CAPTIVATOR:
u call an absurdity a mystery !!! God is not three entity existing in one, " God is ONLY One" Gal 3:20 , do ur reasearch on d word "ONLY" !!! Such a triune God is not what Jesus teach when he states clearly that: " WE (Including Him) Worship worship what we know" john 4:22

man was created in Gods own image and also has the TRIO nature hence you have a man who is first a spirit, that lives in a human form and possesses a soul...

like i said before the concept of the HOLY TRINITY is not one to be debated but respected...

i believe in it, you have a right to believe or not to believe.

Just like so many other mysteries of his kingdom only on the last day can we say for a fact what the real ish is...

tonybosses:
D simplest I cn put it is this,

God is an office, nt a prsn or prsonality
In it there is
God d father, which u can called Jehovah
God d son, which is Jesus christ
God d holy spirit

If u understand that u might b closer to Christianity dn religion

to be closer to true christianity, answer this: Whom was Jesus refering to as " the ONLY TRUE God" in John 17:3 ??

Do you understand the meaning of ONLY BEGOTTEN SON? I'm suprised that you think begotten means made. May be your little understanding tells you that angels are not made and so are of the same class with Jesus. Learner, your take home assignment: what's the difference between begotten and made?

CAPTIVATOR:
to be closer to true christianity, answer this: Whom was Jesus refering to as " the ONLY TRUE God" in John 17:3 ??

My broda dnt pick a verse and quote out of context b4 quoting a verse plz plz nd plz read preceeding verses and verses afta it to gt d full meaning,
Go back and read d same John 17:1 - 5

You would see how many times "father" was mentioned in d same context d "God" was used

What does that means?

It means dt God can be substituted for Father in verse 3

English is too weak to explain some words

And many a time because we mistakenly refer to Jehovah as "God"

If u av to tink twice u wuld be d smartest prsn in ur house

It seems you love the book of John, let's start from it's very beginning, John chapter 1: 1, in the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God. 2,The same was in the beginning with God. 3, All things were made by him; and without him was not any thing made that was made. 4, In him was life; and the life was the light of men. 5, And the light shineth in darkness; and the darkness comprehended it not.
you mean after going through all this before you get to the chapters you've been quoting, you still do not believe Jesus is God?

Jesus is God. In him dwells the fullness of the God head bodily.

The trinity doc is false. It has no scriptural backing. But the deity of Christ Jesus cannot be disputed.

An2elect2:
Jesus is God. In him dwells the fullness of the God head bodily.

The trinity doc is false. It has no scriptural backing. But the deity of Christ Jesus cannot be disputed.

Anoda wako..lol

starwood:
John chapter 1: 1, in the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God. 2,The same was in the beginning with God.

#smiles# John 1:1 mentions 2 people not 3 ! So that is a disqualification for trinity, do ur reasearch ! Greek JOHN 1:1 literally reads: "in the beginning the word was,&the word was with the god (ho - theos'), and the word was god (the-os')" !! Its left for the translator to insert the capital letters , the first statement is that the word was WITH the god !This no doubt refers to the Almighty God , !!Can somone be God and yet BE WITH THE same God ?? This shows there is no reason to capitalize the 2nd "god" since this will contradict his been with God ! .... Most translations , render it as " the word was a god" (Emphatic diaglott)!! Notice how the same greek the-os' was rendered in Act 28:6 , "was a god" !!! Again , note: john 1:2 will not be necessary At All if Jesus is God ! It clarifies it

tonybosses:


Anoda wako..lol

You are deluded.

CAPTIVATOR:
John 3:16 reads: " God (YHWH;JHVH,JEHOVAH) Sent his only begotten son ( Jesus) .." !! Scripture neva said God sent another part of him But He sent his only begoten son , for more clarification, lets see another scripture where the same greek word for only begotten son is used!! In heb 11:17 we read " Abraham attempted to offer up his only begotten son" ! Is isaac the same person called Abraham ?? ... Is Isaac Equal with Abraham?? The answers are clear and direct ! It simply shows d relationship btw Abraham and his only begotten son, Isaac !!! Christ differentiate himself from the Almighty God saying " exercise faith in God; exercise faith also in me" john 14:1 !!! The apostle paul clarifies it again sayin " I Charge u before God and Christ Jesus and the chosen angels" 1tim 5:21 ! That clarifies God the supreme being From Christ Jesus the only begotten son and from the chosen angels !!! " for us there is one God, the Father " 1cor 8:5,6 thats d person Jesus also called "father in heaven"mat6:9

Jesus claimed to have many of the attributes that God alone possesses.
Jesus claimed to have sent the prophets:
"Therefore, behold, I am sending you prophets and wise men and
scribes;some of them you will kill and crucify, and some of them you
will scourge in your synagogues, and persecute from city to city,
(Matthew 23:34)

However, the Old Testament indicates that God sent the prophets.16 Therefore, Jesus was claiming the authority that was previously
reserved only for God.

Jesus claimed that His origins are from heaven, whereas men are from the world:
"And no one has ascended into heaven, but He who descended from
heaven, even the Son of Man. (John 3:13) And He was saying to them,
"You are from below, I am from above;
you are of this world, I am not of this world. (John 8:23)

Not only did Jesus claim to come from heaven, but He said that it was "my kingdom" Isn't heaven God's kingdom?
that you may eat and drink at My table in My kingdom, and you will
sit on thrones judging the twelve tribes of Israel. (Luke 22:30)
Jesus answered, "My kingdom is not of this world. If My kingdom
were of this world, then My servants would be fighting, that I might
not be delivered up to the Jews; but as it is, My kingdom is not of this
realm." (John 18:36

Jesus claimed to have existed before He was born in Bethlehem:
"I tell you the truth," Jesus answered, "before Abraham was born, I
am!" At this, they picked up stones to stone him, but Jesus hid himself,
slipping away from the temple grounds. (John 8:58-59)
The claim included the term "I am" - a reference God made of Himself when talking to Moses. The Jews immediately recognized that Jesus was claiming to be God and attempted to stone Him.

Jesus also claimed to have existed "before the world began":

"And now, Father, glorify me in your presence with the glory I had
with you before the world began." (John 17:5) This statement is an obvious claim to deity.
Not only did Jesus claim to
exist before the creation of the universe, but He claimed to share the
glory of God! Jesus also claimed that He had "all authority... in heaven and on earth" and that everything of God was His.

And Jesus came up and spoke to them, saying, "All authority has been
given to Me in heaven and on earth." (Matthew 28:18) Jesus claimed to be the supreme judge who will exercise all judgment. However, there are at least 50 verses in the Bible that claim that Jehovah God will judge the earth (see Who Will Judge Mankind?). Jesus claimed to be the one to separate the "sheep from the goats".

if i say i never tire for this trinity matter, i dey lie be dat. chai, i sometimes wonder how these ppl manage to stomach such and even get d sense and brain to think those who don't believe in it as deluded/deceived. see d other guy now, he said God is like an office not a position or personality and in dat office, there's d father, son and holy ghost. this is d best definition of no-sense, mumu, mugu. *i dey vex dis morning o* #wokeupangry

@ Malvisguy ..... Our lord Jesus Never said " I am God" !! But uv blasphem by stylishly claimin he is d Almighty , do u notice that the Bible says Jesus NEVA think about equating with God ( Phi 2: 5-7) !!! Pls explain 1 cor 15:24-28 for this thread ??

morefire:
the concept of trinity can never make sense to common sense...

it is what it is

God the father
God the son and
God the Holy spirit

they exist independently yet they are one...

it is not a subject to be debated rather it is to be respected

have a nice day yall

Blind Faith ! A Dogma ..... Pls show d scripture where d 2 phrase "God the son" and "God the holyspirit" appears ?? No twisting pls!!!! If u cant find such a phrase , uv been hooked to the tradition of men

CANTICLES:
#smiles# John 1:1 mentions 2 people not 3 ! So that is a disqualification for trinity, do ur reasearch ! Greek JOHN 1:1 literally reads: "in the beginning the word was,&the word was with the god (ho - theos'), and the word was god (the-os')" !! Its left for the translator to insert the capital letters , the first statement is that the word was WITH the god !This no doubt refers to the Almighty God , !!Can somone be God and yet BE WITH THE same God ?? This shows there is no reason to capitalize the 2nd "god" since this will contradict his been with God ! .... Most translations , render it as " the word was a god" (Emphatic diaglott)!! Notice how the same greek the-os' was rendered in Act 28:6 , "was a god" !!! Again , note: john 1:2 will not be necessary At All if Jesus is God ! It clarifies it

I have searched all popular translation of the bible and all read "the word is God". Of all the Bible translations, you chose to use jehova's witness' bible to prove your point. Nawa o. The word was with God proves there are other persons in one God. Following your translation, are you also telling us that everything was created by god and not God (John 1:3-4).

The trinity was originated by the Catholics, it didn't exist in the bible Jesus has a tangible body of flesh and bone

starwood:

I have searched all popular translation of the bible and all read "the word is God". Of all the Bible translations, you chose to use jehova's witness' bible to prove your point. Nawa o. The word was with God proves there are other persons in one God. Following your translation, are you also telling us that everything was created by god and not God (John 1:3-4).

The Christians have got it badly wrong;

The book of John opens with the famous declaration, "in the beginning was the word......."
The Greek term translated "word" is Logos. In its proper Greek context it signifies the outward form of inward thought or reason, or the spoken word illustrative of thought, wisdom and doctrine.

John is teaching that in the very beginning, God's purpose, wisdom or revelation had been in evidence. It was "with God" in that it came from him; it "was God" in that it represented him to mankind [a similar expression is used by Jesus in Matthew 26:28: "This is my blood" i.e this represents my blood]. This Word, Wisdom or Doctrine found its reality, its substance, its confirmation in the person of Jesus.

The person did not exist before the birth of the child Jesus, but the promise and wisdom of God always existed.


In John 1:4 it is fully acknowledged that "word" is personified as Jesus, but "personification" is a common early Jewish writing mechanism and occurs severally throughout the bible. The trinity, much like the pre-existence of Jesus has no legs to stand on.

CAPTIVATOR:
@ Malvisguy ..... Our lord Jesus Never said " I am God" !! But uv blasphem by stylishly claimin he is d Almighty , do u notice that the Bible says Jesus NEVA think about equating with God ( Phi 2: 5-7) !!! Pls explain 1 cor 15:24-28 for this thread ??

jesus make a claim that only God can do yet the people wanted to stone him, imerging jesus say it openly that he is God, what do you think will happen.?

The word "Trinity" does not appear anywhere in the Bible. For this
reason, many people think that it is a false doctrine, created by the early church leaders. However, the word "gravity" is also not used anywhere in the Bible, although the concept is illustrated throughout.

Sarassin:


The Christians have got it badly wrong;

The book of John opens with the famous declaration, "in the beginning was the word......."
The Greek term translated "word" is Logos. In its proper Greek context it signifies the outward form of inward thought or reason, or the spoken word illustrative of thought, wisdom and doctrine.

John is teaching that in the very beginning, God's purpose, wisdom or revelation had been in evidence. It was "with God" in that it came from him; it "was God" in that it represented him to mankind [a similar expression is used by Jesus in Matthew 26:28: "This is my blood" i.e this represents my blood]. This Word, Wisdom or Doctrine found its reality, its substance, its confirmation in the person of Jesus.

The person did not exist before the birth of the child Jesus, but the promise and wisdom of God always existed.


In John 1:4 it is fully acknowledged that "word" is personified as Jesus, but "personification" is a common early Jewish writing mechanism and occurs severally throughout the bible. The trinity, much like the pre-existence of Jesus has no legs to stand on.

jesus was a good and faithful person,if someone take him for someone else, he would have correct him.Not only did Jesus claim the attributes of God, but He even accepted
the title "God." Thomas, the ever-skeptical disciple, was unconvinced
that Jesus had risen from the dead and wanted to see direct proof.
However, when the Lord Jesus appeared to him, his only reaction was
"My Lord and my God!"
Thomas answered and said to Him, "My Lord and my God!" Jesus said
to him, "Because you have seen Me, have you believed? Blessed are
they who did not see, and yet believed." (John 20:28-29)
What was Jesus' reaction to the title of God? Did Jesus rebuke him for
calling Him "God"? No! In fact, Jesus praised Thomas for his belief. And
the belief that Thomas exhibited was that Jesus was Lord and God. If
Jesus were not God, accepting such a statement for truth would be a
grievous sin. Either Jesus is God or He would have to be a sinner!

CAPTIVATOR:
u call an absurdity a mystery !!! God is not three entity existing in one, " God is ONLY One" Gal 3:20 , do ur reasearch on d word "ONLY" !!! Such a triune God is not what Jesus teach when he states clearly that: " WE (Including Him) Worship what WE know" john 4:22

You are very correct. These unbiblical doctrines are what our priests and pastors teach in churches; yet they claim to be closest to God.

Anyone who is very truthful to himself/herself would know that what we practice/ learn from churches nowadays are modernized form of paganism. The ministers of GOD turn the Scripture upsidedown and teach the doctrines of men.

How can a FATHER and SON be equal? Even in a family, a father is never equal to his son. Even the ministers of God do not see any member of their churches as being equal to them. Mr. President has no one who has equal power with him; yet they preach that God the father is equal to HIS SON. This simply means that they are trying to give us the conception of the paganized 'three equal gods' (father, mother and son).

God made it clear in Hosea 13:4, that there is no other beside Him. No wonder Christ said that we worship what we know not.

The Holy Scripture made us to understand that GOD is the same GOD of Old, HE is the same GOD today, and HE will forever be GOD; and beside HIM there is no other.

starwood:

I have searched all popular translation of the bible and all read "the word is God". Of all the Bible translations, you chose to use jehova's witness' bible to prove your point. Nawa o. The word was with God proves there are other persons in one God. (John 1:3-4).

u lied ! U havnt search any popular translation .... Be like d beroans who search to confirm things for themselves !!! D guy showed u the literal translation of d greek text , there is no capital letter in greek, instead of " G" the text reads Was wth " the god" to signify a capital , but the article "the" neva appear in d second statement ! Can someone be God and yet BE WITH d same God ?


"the word was a god" Emphatic Diaglott (1864), "the Word was a divine being"! La bible du centenaire, from Maurice Goguel (1928) !! " The Word was divine" - The Bible - An American Translation from J.M.P Smith and E.J. Goodspeed (1935)! " The Word was a god" the New testament, from James L. Tomanek !!

CHIOMAIGBO:


You are very correct. These unbiblical doctrines are what our priests and pastors teach in churches; yet they claim to be closest to God.

churches nowadays are modernized form of paganism. The ministers of GOD turn the Scripture upsidedown and teach the doctrines of men.

How can a FATHER and SON be equal? Even in a family, a father is never equal to his son. Even the ministers of God do not see any member of their churches as being equal to them. Mr. President has no one who has equal power with him; yet they preach that God the father is equal to HIS SON. This simply means that they are trying to give us the conception of the paganized 'three equal gods' (father, mother and son).

God made it clear in Hosea 13:4, that there is no other beside Him. No wonder Christ said that we worship what we know not.

yes bro, pure paganism ...lols , Infact since dey ar one, I Wonder what happen to d father and holyspirit WHEN the son dies for three days ??

malvisguy212:
jesus was a good and faithful person,if someone take him for someone else, he would have correct him.Not only did Jesus claim the attributes of God, but He even accepted
the title "God." Thomas, the ever-skeptical disciple, was unconvinced
that Jesus had risen from the dead and wanted to see direct proof.
However, when the Lord Jesus appeared to him, his only reaction was
"My Lord and my God!"
Thomas answered and said to Him, "My Lord and my God!" Jesus said
to him, "Because you have seen Me, have you believed? Blessed are
they who did not see, and yet believed." (John 20:28-29)
What was Jesus' reaction to the title of God? Did Jesus rebuke him for
calling Him "God"? No! In fact, Jesus praised Thomas for his belief. And
the belief that Thomas exhibited was that Jesus was Lord and God. If
Jesus were not God, accepting such a statement for truth would be a
grievous sin. Either Jesus is God or He would have to be a sinner!

The fact that Stephen supposedly made that statement cannot serve as proof that Jesus is God. Stephen made an exclamation of incredulity, Jesus accepted it as such, context is required here but Christians never apply it. Where in the history of the world has God been given birth to? In any event the circumstances surrounding the birth of Jesus would make him a "Demi -god", and thats a whole different ball-game.

Sarassin:


The fact that Stephen supposedly made that statement cannot serve as proof that Jesus is God. Stephen made an exclamation of incredulity, Jesus accepted it as such, context is required here but Christians never apply it. Where in the history of the world has God been given birth to? In any event the circumstances surrounding the birth of Jesus would make him a "Demi -god", and thats a whole different ball-game.

who told you God was giving birth to? Dint you read in the bible that the holy spirit came upon mary and the power of the most high overshadow her? If a man go into a woman and she became pregnant,she will give birth to a baby, jesus case was different.

Are you a muslim?

malvisguy212:
who told you God was giving birth to? Dint you read in the bible that the holy spirit came upon mary and the power of the most high overshadow her? If a man go into a woman and she became pregnant,she will give birth to a baby, jesus case was different.

Are you a muslim?

Well let's see, I might have read it wrong. So you say "the holy spirit came upon Mary.......and the power overshadowed her" in laymans terms she became pregnant, that is to say, "up the duff" now, I could be wrong, but I seem to recall Mary actually gave BIRTH to Jesus, i.e the "stork didn't bring him".

Now, if Mary gave birth to Jesus.....and you all claim Jesus is God......doesn't it then follow that Mary gave birth to God.....?

And no, I am not Muslim.

Sarassin:


Well let's see, I might have read it wrong. So you say "the holy spirit came upon Mary.......and the power overshadowed her" in laymans terms she became pregnant, that is to say, "up the duff" now, I could be wrong, but I seem to recall Mary actually gave BIRTH to Jesus, i.e the "stork didn't bring him".

Now, if Mary gave birth to Jesus.....and you all claim Jesus is God......doesn't it then follow that Mary gave birth to God.....?

And no, I am not Muslim.

yes,she gave birth to jesus, there is no other word fit in than this word "birth", a man born of the spirit of God, what do you called that man? What is the difference between you and your spirit? Are they not the same?

morefire:
the concept of trinity can never make sense to common sense...

it is what it is

God the father
God the son and
God the Holy spirit

they exist independently yet they are one...

it is not a subject to be debated rather it is to be respected

have a nice day yall

you ve said it all
nothing to add.
we can close this thread now