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Gombs:




So, it would be ok for me to keep having sex with a girl I have told my pastor I want to marry? Are you serious?

Cc:
Alwaystrue
Mbaemeka
WinsomeX
Candour

Galatians 5:13 KJV
For, brethren, ye have been called unto liberty; only use not liberty for an occasion to the flesh, but by love serve one another.

If you've reached the age where sex becomes a necessity for you, go and marry. Marriage in the eyes of the law needs only 4 people: the couple and 2 witnesses. You don't need food, a gown, suit, a hall or a car. Just do it and don't give occasion to unbelievers to have something to say about Christianity.

1 Corinthians 6:12 KJV
All things are lawful unto me, but all things are not expedient: all things are lawful for me, but I will not be brought under the power of any.

It all boils down to self control. There are some things we are at liberty to do that we don't do because of considerations of propriety, whether they're sin or not. If pagan cultures can exercise self restraint in these matters, why not a Christian?

1 Corinthians 8:9, 11-13 KJV
But take heed lest by any means this liberty of yours become a stumblingblock to them that are weak. [11] And through thy knowledge shall the weak brother perish, for whom Christ died? [12] But when ye sin so against the brethren, and wound their weak conscience, ye sin against Christ. [13] Wherefore, if meat make my brother to offend, I will eat no flesh while the world standeth, lest I make my brother to offend.

Abstinence won't kill anyone. If marriage isn't possible yet, stay away.

Goshen360:


Again and again Bidam, the message in the OP, if that brother had sex with that lady, it is whor.ing because he never said they were in relationship engaged towards marriage. That will be a sin of fornication in an act of whor.ing\prostitut.ing. BUT, if they are in a relationship engaged towards marriage, there's no sin in such sex. If you have a scripture condemning such, bring it up and let's look at it. Stop this religious "reading into scripture", argue your case with clear scriptures. I'm here to discuss with you.

what if by unavoidable circumstances, the marriage delays up to a year. So you two should go on enjoying sex in name of grace...becareful what you say in public...prosperity preacher

Candour:


Galatians 5:13 KJV
For, brethren, ye have been called unto liberty; only use not liberty for an occasion to the flesh, but by love serve one another.

If you've reached the age where sex becomes a necessity for you, go and marry. Marriage in the eyes of the law needs only 4 people: the couple and 2 witnesses. You don't need food, a gown, suit, a hall or a car. Just do it and don't give occasion to unbelievers to have something to say about Christianity.

1 Corinthians 6:12 KJV
All things are lawful unto me, but all things are not expedient: all things are lawful for me, but I will not be brought under the power of any.

It all boils down to self control. There are some things we are at liberty to do that we don't do because of considerations of propriety, whether they're sin or not. If pagan cultures can exercise self restraint in these matters, why not a Christian?

1 Corinthians 8:9, 11-13 KJV
But take heed lest by any means this liberty of yours become a stumblingblock to them that are weak. [11] And through thy knowledge shall the weak brother perish, for whom Christ died? [12] But when ye sin so against the brethren, and wound their weak conscience, ye sin against Christ. [13] Wherefore, if meat make my brother to offend, I will eat no flesh while the world standeth, lest I make my brother to offend.

Abstinence won't kill anyone. If marriage isn't possible yet, stay away.

God bless you sir!

Well detailed and precise answers. Wow!

veecovee:
what if by unavoidable circumstances, the marriage delays up to a year. So you two should go on enjoying sex in name of grace...becareful what you say in public...prosperity preacher

You dey mind Goshen? What if I really wanted to marry her and we've been having sex like Goshen recommended, and 4 years down the line, she travelled abroad and lived there permanently, shey I should move to another lady, and continue the cycle?

Grace shey?

Gombs:


You dey mind Goshen? What if I really wanted to marry her and we've been having sex like Goshen recommended, and 4 years down the line, she travelled abroad and lived there permanently, shey I should move to another lady, and continue the cycle?

Grace shey?

Many of you are always of negative mind set like this ^ What if this happens and what if that happens. You entered a journey that you should fail in it? People like you when Paul was revealing their true identity to them, they were still asking: shall we continue in sin because we're under Grace? Paul was saying, HOW? How can we who are dead to sin live in it anymore? In other words, how do you even imagine it while I'm talking something different.

Back to the point, many sins are mentioned in the sin of fornication. Not one verse mentioned pre-marital sex as sin of fornication. Except we have another meaning to "pre-marital" sex. If you found one bible verse mentioning pre-marital sex as part of sin of fornication, bring it on and we look at it together. Again, the OP had done the right thing by rejected temptation to sin and I don't understand what the issue is here.

Bidam:


1. Let me help your blindness here. God says MARRY FIRST THEN HAVE SEX....BUT FALSE TEACHER GOSHEN SAYS NO NO NO..SEX FIRST THEN MARRIAGE LATER.



2. Maybe the MSG translation will help since you don't comprehend simple english of NKJV.

"Honor marriage, and guard the sacredness of sexual intimacy between wife and husband. God draws a firm line against casual and illicit sex."

3. You first marry and when you become husband and wife you have sex, as long as you are engaged to be married no one sees you as being married to start with. Even God doesn't see you as such.

1. If you're really going to help my "blindness" you would have showed me\us where and when God said marry first before you have sex (I'm not talking about someone whor.ing and prostitut.ing....such person knows what he or she is doing when doing such. Show us where God said you must marry first to the person who are engaged to before you have sex with her\him and then you will be helping me.

The problem is, I see sentiments and what you have been taught in the institutionalized but we are here having discussion but some of you are taking it as I'm endorsing immoral lifestyle. Instead of of looking at it as, we're using this medium to see if what we've been taught is right or wrong. But you people just want to hold on your traditional beliefs. It's all right if you all want to but allow the word of God be what it is and leave traditions to itself.

2. On the MSG translations. Listen to what it says:

Honor marriage, and guard the sacredness of sexual inti.macy between wife and husband. God draws a firm line against casual and illicit sex.

The word marriage is the Greek word, gamos and it mean:

a wedding or marriage festival, a wedding banquet, a wedding feast
marriage, matrimony.

In marriage, a man and a woman becomes HUSBAND & WIFE. Hence, MSG translations says: "sex.ual inti.macy between WIFE & HUSBAND...

Now, go back to KJV & NKJV, the word "wh.ore.monger" in KJV is the word "fornicator" in NKJV so we understand the words of Jesus when he said:

King James Bible
And I say unto you, Whosoever shall put away his wife, except it be for fornication, and shall marry another, committeth adultery: and whoso marrieth her which is put away doth commit adultery.
Matthew 19:9

Here, Jesus tells us what that fornication is: already married woman, A WIFE going outside her marriage to have illicit or casual sex which is not "intimate" according MSG in Hebrews, such woman commits fornication. So, when religion said, sex outside of marriage is fornication, you never asked questions. It means, a man or woman stepping out of his\her marriage to have illicit or casual sex, that is a fornicator or a LovePeddler.monger and and adulterer.

3. Again, there's no where one single verse in scripture that says what you said in 3 above. Even in the law you claim to know and sometimes, hold unto for Christians, the penalty for whoring is to be stone to death and penalty for pre-marital sex is not fornication but for dowry to be paid. These things are all there in the bible but, are these Mosaic laws written to us, Christians?

Lastly, when I teach this subject, your black mind will think it is endorsing immoral lifestyle but rather, Christians who are truly committed to each other and are engaged in true faith towards marriage, if such do decide to have pre-marital sex, such should not be condemn by religious doctrine in Christ. Those who are flirting around and distributing free service knows what they're doing in their mind, they know they're whor.ing and don't need me to endorse nothing and who are in it in true faith knows also. So, why do we rate these people in true faith as same as those flirting around?

Numismatic:


it is indeed your heart that is hardened and justifying your immoral life style and also leading many on the part of distruction..I cor 7 vs 8-9, paul
said if one cannot control themselves
or their sexual urge they should marry
instead of burning with sexual
lust..If this passage of the bible is not enough, all i can say is May God have mercy on you..You need repentance..

Oh my God!!!

Let us learn from one another. So many things were going on among the Corinthian church and this immorality was so great to the point of single men were having affairs with their step-mothers. That's the height of immoralities going on among God's people then in Corinth. 1 Corinthians 5:1 and went on to chapter 7 where he thoroughly addressed the cause of such immoralities. Paul, began to address these problems and among such, gave instructions to all men\women, to single people, married, widow etc. Because, all these people were all involved in these sex.ual immoralities going on at Corinth then, they were abusing sex and making immorality out of sex, as it were, they were whor.ing, more like sharing free meal sexually among themselves.

So, in verse 2 of chapter 7, Paul said,

2 Nevertheless, to avoid fornication, let every man have his own wife, and let every woman have her own husband.

Verses 3 to 7 began to address the causes of sexual unfaithfulness and the solutions between married people and why they would still abuse sex outside their marriage.

Verse 7 addressed the unmarried and widows. Paul, down the page told us who these "unmarried" was\is, (in verse 34) such was called a virgin which at this time, means someone who is not married (not someone who had not had sex like Mary) but been engaged in the on-going sexual immoralities going on then. So, that verse 2 applies - instead of jumping\sleeping around, have your own husband\wife rather than burning in ungratified sexual passion of verses 8-9 more like with passion and tortured continually with ungratified sexual desires.

What I would say is, do not take my words for what I says, except of course you want to hold on to traditional interpretation of scriptures. Study these context by yourself, understand what was going on and why each statement applies rather than out of context.

Goshen360:


Oh my God!!!

Let us learn from one another. So many things were going on among the Corinthian church and this immorality was so great to the point of single men were having affairs with their step-mothers. That's the height of immoralities going on among God's people then in Corinth. 1 Corinthians 5:1 and went on to chapter 7 where he thoroughly addressed the cause of such immoralities. Paul, began to address these problems and among such, gave instructions to all men\women, to single people, married, widow etc. Because, all these people were all involved in these sex.ual immoralities going on at Corinth then, they were abusing sex and making immorality out of sex, as it were, they were whor.ing, more like sharing free meal sexually among themselves.

So, in verse 2 of chapter 7, Paul said,

2 Nevertheless, to avoid fornication, let every man have his own wife, and let every woman have her own husband.

Verses 3 to 7 began to address the causes of sexual unfaithfulness and the solutions between married people and why they would still abuse sex outside their marriage.

Verse 7 addressed the unmarried and widows. Paul, down the page told us who these "unmarried" was\is, (in verse 34) such was called a virgin which at this time, means someone who is not married (not someone who had not had sex like Mary) but been engaged in the on-going sexual immoralities going on then. So, that verse 2 applies - instead of jumping\sleeping around, have your own husband\wife rather than burning in ungratified sexual passion of verses 8-9 more like with passion and tortured continually with ungratified sexual desires.

What I would say is, do not take my words for what I says, except of course you want to hold on to traditional interpretation of scriptures. Study these context by yourself, understand what was going on and why each statement applies rather than out of context.

all you said is hogwash, the bible was clear on what it said, stop twisting the word to suit your pervse ways..Abstainace or Marriage thats what Paul advocated, and thats whats right in Gods eyes..

nlMediator:


Since you always believe in apostolic teachings and condition your acceptance of any practice in church on whether the apostles or NT writers talked about or practiced it, can you show us just ONE apostle that taught or practiced what you're teaching here that sex between engaged couples is not sin? If you can't show it, you have no basis for rejecting other teachings in the church not taught or practiced by the apostles or the early church.

You, my friend are always asking same question all over and over again. What is it I'm showing you if not the true context and meanings of how "fornication" was understood? The Apostles never taught pre-marital sex to be part of the sin of fornication, why should the church teach such?. That's the whole essence of this discussion. We're doing the Bereans here and we want to know how those who heard "do not commit fornication" understood it in bible days and not expand the text beyond what was meant.

Numismatic:


all you said is hogwash, the bible was clear on what it said, stop twisting the word to suit your pervse ways..Abstainace or Marriage thats what Paul advocated, and thats whats right in Gods eyes..

I hear you sir, take one verse out of context and run with it. God bless you.

Goshen360:


I hear you sir, take one verse out of context and run with it. God bless you.

oh please, spare me that..its quite clear your the one taking the word of God out of content,I once asked you where in the bible is Substance abuse mentioned? Does it mean its no sin? What of self service? You can only deceieve those that doesnt know what the word of God says..the bible is very clear..
1 Corinthians 7:8-9 New International Version (NIV) Now to the unmarried and the widows I say: It is
good for them to stay
unmarried, as I do. But if they cannot control
themselves, they should
marry, for it is better to marry
than to burn with passion..the interpretation has to be relevant to our generation, which it is stil

Numismatic:


oh please, spare me that..its quite clear your the one taking the word of God out of content,I once asked you where in the bible is Substance abuse mentioned? Does it mean its no sin? What of self service? You can only deceieve those that doesnt know what the word of God says..the bible is very clear..
1 Corinthians 7:8-9 New International Version (NIV) Now to the unmarried and the widows I say: It is
good for them to stay
unmarried, as I do. But if they cannot control
themselves, they should
marry, for it is better to marry
than to burn with passion..the interpretation has to be relevant to our generation, which it is stil

Except you're using another I.D to discuss with me in disguise which I don't really care but when did you ask me the above question in red?
Do you also know part of the acts in the sin of fornication is masturba.tion? I never said the interpretation isn't relevant to us, I'm saying it is not what you or religion has taught it to mean. Look at verse 34 and understand what he meant by "unmarried"

Goshen360:


Except you're using another I.D to discuss with me in disguise which I don't really care but when did you ask me the above question in red?
Do you also know part of the acts in the sin of fornication is masturba.tion? I never said the interpretation isn't relevant to us, I'm saying it is not what you or religion has taught it to mean. Look at verse 34 and understand what he meant by "unmarried"

Smh, you are trying so hard to sell this babylonian doctrine..
1 Corinthians 7:34 New International Version (NIV) and his interests are divided. An unmarried woman
or virgin is concerned about
the Lord’s affairs: Her aim is to
be devoted to the Lord in both
body and spirit. But a married
woman is concerned about the affairs of this world—how
she can please her husband

Numismatic:


Smh, you are trying so hard to sell this babylonian doctrine..
1 Corinthians 7:34 New International Version (NIV) and his interests are divided. An unmarried woman
or virgin is concerned about
the Lord’s affairs: Her aim is to
be devoted to the Lord in both
body and spirit. But a married
woman is concerned about the affairs of this world—how
she can please her husband

1. When did you asked me that question? Quote it or I know who you are but it doesn't matter to me. I can discuss with you anyway but just for record purpose.

2. Babylon is confusion and mixture which exist in the institionalized church, not from what I say.

3.
King James Bible
There is difference also between a wife and a virgin. The unmarried woman careth for the things of the Lord, that she may be holy both in body and in spirit: but she that is married careth for the things of the world, how she may please her husband
1 Corinthians 7:34

Now, ask yourself, who is a wife and who is a virgin in the same verse?

Goshen360:


1. When did you asked me that question? Quote it or I know who you are but it doesn't matter to me. I can discuss with you anyway but just for record purpose.

2. Babylon is confusion and mixture which exist in the institionalized church, not from what I say.

3.
King James Bible
There is difference also between a wife and a virgin. The unmarried woman careth for the things of the Lord, that she may be holy both in body and in spirit: but she that is married careth for the things of the world, how she may please her husband
1 Corinthians 7:34

Now, ask yourself, who is a wife and who is a virgin in the same verse?

i also do care less about you, you havent been able to explain what Paul said in 1 cor 7 vs 8.9..its simple, even a baby in christ can understand the simplicity of the verses ..all i care is to stop the deciet so that other christains whose faith are weak will not fall into the same error.Stop propagating falsehood.

Candour:


Galatians 5:13 KJV
For, brethren, ye have been called unto liberty; only use not liberty for an occasion to the flesh, but by love serve one another.

If you've reached the age where sex becomes a necessity for you, go and marry. Marriage in the eyes of the law needs only 4 people: the couple and 2 witnesses. You don't need food, a gown, suit, a hall or a car. Just do it and don't give occasion to unbelievers to have something to say about Christianity.

1 Corinthians 6:12 KJV
All things are lawful unto me, but all things are not expedient: all things are lawful for me, but I will not be brought under the power of any.

It all boils down to self control. There are some things we are at liberty to do that we don't do because of considerations of propriety, whether they're sin or not. If pagan cultures can exercise self restraint in these matters, why not a Christian?

1 Corinthians 8:9, 11-13 KJV
But take heed lest by any means this liberty of yours become a stumblingblock to them that are weak. [11] And through thy knowledge shall the weak brother perish, for whom Christ died? [12] But when ye sin so against the brethren, and wound their weak conscience, ye sin against Christ. [13] Wherefore, if meat make my brother to offend, I will eat no flesh while the world standeth, lest I make my brother to offend.

Abstinence won't kill anyone. If marriage isn't possible yet, stay away.

Hi Brother,

Quite well enough I understand your fears, perspective and position. I truly do. However, my issue is, there shouldn't be condemnation for those who do what I teach in good faith and pure heart neither should the church make laws for such people who in it for good. Like I said, those who are jumping around know they're jumping around and if scripture doesn't condemn those in it for good, why should we condemn them and in some case, call it immoral and kick them out.

The problem with people is, when we discuss topics like this, the dirty mind immediately concludes we're endorsing immorality rather than we looking into our practice and what we've been taught one again and over again. I will stand with the truth even if I will stand alone. Let every one of us look into this subject again as I'm always ready to discuss it over and over again. It actually took me a long time to break the silence of talking about sex on this forum after being a member for many years.

Numismatic:


i also do care less about you, you havent been able to explain what Paul said in 1 cor 7 vs 8.9..its simple, even a baby in christ can understand the simplicity of the verses ..all i care is to stop the deciet so that other christains whose faith are weak will not fall into the same error.Stop propagating falsehood.

I have explained what I needed to explain. You're the one that need to take that verse into context and study from CHAPTER 5 all the way down until Paul got to another topic. You want to hold on what you know, that what you want. Since you can't answer to the 3 things I stated in post #46, then it's okay. I understand the aspect of "weak Christians" you talked about, that if I choose to eat meat offered unto Idol because my knowledge, I shouldn't eat it in front of a weak Christian. That is understandable but the truth is, I don't go about teach this except for Bidam that mentioned my I.D on this topic....I stay away from such but as I'm here, I say what I have studied on this subject. Otherwise, we won't be talking this....do you understand why I'm in this topic now?

Goshen360:


I have explained what I needed to explain. You're the one that need to take that verse into context and study from CHAPTER 5 all the way down until Paul got to another topic. You want to hold on what you know, that what you want. Since you can't answer to the 3 things I stated in post #46, then it's okay. I understand the aspect of "weak Christians" you talked about, that if I choose to eat meat offered unto Idol because my knowledge, I shouldn't eat it in front of a weak Christian. That is understandable but the truth is, I don't go about teach this except for Bidam that mentioned my I.D on this topic....I stay away from such but as I'm here, I say what I have studied on this subject. Otherwise, we won't be talking this....do you understand why I'm in this topic now?

https://www.nairaland.com/1917362/what-considered-sexually-immoral/2#27319596

paul talked about a virgin as unmarried, why Virgin?if he endorsed Sex between people that are engadged to marry, why would he talk about a virgin? A married woman is one who has a husband.Men,this argument is pointless..the bible is so clear on this...Am done partaking in this argument...Please like you said, it is better you be careful the things you say on a forum like this for the sake of christains who you wil lead into temptation, remember what the word of God said about causing one of this little ones to fall...all dis your context this and that is funny, cos Jesus asked the expert at law, what is written, and how do you read...reading the word is great, but the interpretation is what really matters..i agree with you on the tithe issue cos thats what you are known for here..but on this i must tell you, you are wrong..

weldone numismatic...The truth of d matter is no one cares whether he calls me and others dirty minds black minds or holdin onto traditional institutionalised church doctrines..it is what the word of God says that matters.I believe the error he propagates had done more harm than good to our christian youths since they re exposed to the internet.only God knows how many abortions,failed marriages,unwanted pregnancies and sexual transmitted diseases it has caused.

Bidam:
weldone numismatic...The truth of d matter is no one cares whether he calls me and others dirty minds black minds or holdin onto traditional institutionalised church doctrines..it is what the word of God says that matters.I believe the error he propagates had done more harm than good to our christian youths since they re exposed to the internet.only God knows how many abortions,failed marriages,unwanted pregnancies and sexual transmitted diseases it has caused.

Sentiments and emotionalism!!! Before I started saying this since I've been on this forum, do you know how many abortions had taken place, how many failed marriages, stds etc. In your religious mind mixed with emotions and sensations, you make it look like it is what I say that causes those things to happen. It has always happened before you're born and it will continue regardless I say it or not. So, discuss the subject matter. After all, you brought up this matter by mentioning my I.D on this thread.

You have a failed personality and every other topics, you will have to bring up this matter even when I don't make it hard to fight for it like tithe but if you keep quiet on this matter, I never said nothing on it except my I.D was mentioned and I will never shy away from any topic my I.D is mentioned on, I will come up and talk. The OP had done the right thing according to a Christian character and I did commend his, any one with the Spirit of God + the word, knows how to behave right. The OP had done the right thing and we all knew he did right, but in your failed personality, you still have to stretch it further to me, by mentioning my I.D. That's what a failed personality does. Get over it bro.

Bidam:
weldone numismatic...The truth of d matter is no one cares whether he calls me and others dirty minds black minds or holdin onto traditional institutionalised church doctrines..it is what the word of God says that matters.I believe the error he propagates had done more harm than good to our christian youths since they re exposed to the internet.only God knows how many abortions,failed marriages,unwanted pregnancies and sexual transmitted diseases it has caused.

Endorsed. I don't even know where to start schooling him. Let's hope the Holy Spirit helps him ASAP, my fears however, are the young ones who'd believe his gospel.

Funny enough, he was the one who like calling others 'false teachers'

Goshen360:


Hi Brother,

Quite well enough I understand your fears, perspective and position. I truly do. However, my issue is, there shouldn't be condemnation for those who do what I teach in good faith and pure heart neither should the church make laws for such people who in it for good. Like I said, those who are jumping around know they're jumping around and if scripture doesn't condemn those in it for good, why should we condemn them and in some case, call it immoral and kick them out.

The problem with people is, when we discuss topics like this, the dirty mind immediately concludes we're endorsing immorality rather than we looking into our practice and what we've been taught one again and over again. I will stand with the truth even if I will stand alone. Let every one of us look into this subject again as I'm always ready to discuss it over and over again. It actually took me a long time to break the silence of talking about sex on this forum after being a member for many years.

Bro Goshen,

As much as I understand your position, I believe we must watch what we do when we are around those weak in the faith. Paul was caught in a hard place in Romans 14. Some christians, probably converts from Judaism chose not to eat somethings but the ones who understood better ate all things.

Paul called those who chose not to eat things for religious reasons 'the weak'. He warned those who are stronger not to despise or look down on the weak. He turned around to instruct the weak as well, knowing that the weak are quick to judge, he says they must not judge Those who eat all things.

Further down in the chapter he advised people like you to avoid doing some things openly, not because they are sinful but because your 'weak' brother might find offence.
Romans 14
14 I know, and am persuaded by the Lord Jesus, that there is nothing unclean of itself: but to him that esteemeth any thing to be unclean, to him it is unclean.
15 But if thy brother be grieved with thy meat, now walkest thou not charitably. Destroy not him with thy meat, for whom Christ died.

16 Let not then your good be evil spoken of:

17 For the kingdom of God is not meat and drink; but righteousness, and peace, and joy in the Holy Ghost.


So, in as much as what you are saying is not scripturally wrong, you can do without such things for the sake of your brother.

shdemidemi:


Bro Goshen,

As much as I understand your position, I believe we must watch what we do when we are around those weak in the faith. Paul was caught in a hard place in Romans 14. Some christians, probably converts from Judaism chose not to eat somethings but the ones who understood better ate all things.

Paul called those who chose not to eat things for religious reasons 'the weak'. He warned those who are stronger not to despise or look down on the weak. He turned around to instruct the weak as well, knowing that the weak are quick to judge, he says they must not judge Those who eat all things.

Further down in the chapter he advised people like you to avoid doing some things openly, not because they are sinful but because your 'weak' brother might find offence.
Romans 14
14 I know, and am persuaded by the Lord Jesus, that there is nothing unclean of itself: but to him that esteemeth any thing to be unclean, to him it is unclean.
15 But if thy brother be grieved with thy meat, now walkest thou not charitably. Destroy not him with thy meat, for whom Christ died.

16 Let not then your good be evil spoken of:

17 For the kingdom of God is not meat and drink; but righteousness, and peace, and joy in the Holy Ghost.


So, in as much as what you are saying is not scripturally wrong, you can do without such things for the sake of your brother.

Thank you my brother. Everyone on this forum knows I don't go about dealing with this subject as much as I do other subject like tithe and some other issues. I have restriction from the word not to go about doing such in the face of "weak" brother for Christ's sake. I do understand that but like I said, it that Bidam, end-time pharisee that mentioned my I.D on this thread and logging in, my I.D came up here. Well, I should have ignored him anyway but he's a failed personality in the sense that, we've discussed this subject on like 2 or 3 threads but that pharisee kept chasing me around with same topic, thinking he wants to expose what is non-exposable.

You, my brother S'demi both understand something from the word by virtue of relationship with God, by the Spirit but if we teach such, we'll be label all kinds of name but I know our Lord taught us in His word because somethings are hidden from those Jews who think they know but to those who have relationship with God through the Spirit, things are revealed to them by the Spirit.

I do not intend going about teaching this kind of subject as much as it is necessary of witnessing Christ but I do not also shy away from it when people like Bidam and Ola still carry this subject from one thread to another. Watch it, they will still mention this subject on another thread. That's how you know a failed personality among us. I appreciate your concern and you're blessed in the word of Christ also.

Goshen360:


Sentiments and emotionalism!!! Before I started saying this since I've been on this forum, do you know how many abortions had taken place, how many failed marriages, stds etc. In your religious mind mixed with emotions and sensations, you make it look like it is what I say that causes those things to happen. It has always happened before you're born and it will continue regardless I say it or not. So, discuss the subject matter. After all, you brought up this matter by mentioning my I.D on this thread.

You have a failed personality and every other topics, you will have to bring up this matter even when I don't make it hard to fight for it like tithe but if you keep quiet on this matter, I never said nothing on it except my I.D was mentioned and I will never shy away from any topic my I.D is mentioned on, I will come up and talk. The OP had done the right thing according to a Christian character and I did commend his, any one with the Spirit of God + the word, knows how to behave right. The OP had done the right thing and we all knew he did right, but in your failed personality, you still have to stretch it further to me, by mentioning my I.D. That's what a failed personality does. Get over it bro.

Stop making idiotic statements. What failed personality are you yapping about. You've been called to order concerning the heretic gospel you propagate. I think it is best you bury your head in shame.How am i a failed personality here? You couldn't even have the guts to call your friend frosbel to order when he was propagating his falsehood on the virgin birth. You and frosbel are the failed persona here not me.

Bidam:
Stop making idiotic statements. What failed personality are you yapping about. You've been called to order concerning the heretic gospel you propagate. I think it is best you bury your head in shame.How am i a failed personality here? You couldn't even have the guts to call your friend frosbel to order when he was propagating his falsehood on the virgin birth. You and frosbel are the failed persona here not me.

Mate, you are miles away from the Truth, try and do some independent reading/research, stop parroting every doctrine you hear without due diligence.

Don't even bring the issue of meat offered to idols here. Your body is the temple of the Holy Spirit and the scripture is so clear that sex before marriage is sinning against your body. Let's call a spade a spade. Period. If you want sex badly...Marriage is the alternative... No be me talk am..na your Paul...scripture frowns upon a live in lover.

shdemidemi:


Bro Goshen,

As much as I understand your position, I believe we must watch what we do when we are around those weak in the faith. Paul was caught in a hard place in Romans 14. Some christians, probably converts from Judaism chose not to eat somethings but the ones who understood better ate all things.

Paul called those who chose not to eat things for religious reasons 'the weak'. He warned those who are stronger not to despise or look down on the weak. He turned around to instruct the weak as well, knowing that the weak are quick to judge, he says they must not judge Those who eat all things.

Further down in the chapter he advised people like you to avoid doing some things openly, not because they are sinful but because your 'weak' brother might find offence.
Romans 14
14 I know, and am persuaded by the Lord Jesus, that there is nothing unclean of itself: but to him that esteemeth any thing to be unclean, to him it is unclean.
15 But if thy brother be grieved with thy meat, now walkest thou not charitably. Destroy not him with thy meat, for whom Christ died.

16 Let not then your good be evil spoken of:

17 For the kingdom of God is not meat and drink; but righteousness, and peace, and joy in the Holy Ghost.


So, in as much as what you are saying is not scripturally wrong, you can do without such things for the sake of your brother.

frosbel:


Mate, you are miles away from the Truth, try and do some independent reading/research, stop parroting every doctrine you hear without due diligence.

What is truth? Who is truth? Do you know this truth? It is so laffable to point a finger at me when actually you are the fellow who is far from this truth.

Bidam:
What is truth? Who is truth? Do you know this truth? It is so laffable to point a finger at me when actually you are the fellow who is far from this truth.

You stand for everything PAGAN , such as :

1. 3 Headed god. ( Most world religions Pagan )
2. Eternal torment ( Greek Pagan )
3. Virgin birth ( Egyptian Pagan )
4. Tithe and Firstfruits ( Fraud and stealing ).


Now tell me how on earth you can be on the side of truth with all these lies and pagan myths ?

Gombs:


Endorsed. I don't even know where to start schooling him. Let's hope the Holy Spirit helps him ASAP, my fears however, are the young ones who'd believe his gospel.

Funny enough, he was the one who like calling others 'false teachers'

Don't mind these funny fellows....someone had pointed out that he noticed that there are "gangs" on this forum.... Whenever one of them propagate a false doctrine, they will be silent on that issue.....but if it is a tithe or seed sowing thread...trust me to see them rally round like vultures on that thread....they are all birds of the same feathers.SMH!

frosbel:


You stand for everything PAGAN , such as :

1. 3 Headed god. ( Most world religions Pagan )
2. Eternal torment ( Greek Pagan )
3. Virgin birth ( Egyptian Pagan )
4. Tithe and Firstfruits ( Fraud and stealing ).


Now tell me how on earth you can be on the side of truth with all these lies and pagan myths ?

You ARE A FAILED personality like goshen. All you posted are your delusions. AGAIN i ask what is truth, who is truth? Do you have a relationship with this truth? i guess not. Better you declare yourself an atheist guess you have a common ground with those folks.

Bidam:
You ARE A FAILED personality like goshen. All you posted are your delusions. AGAIN i ask what is truth, who is truth? Do you have a relationship with this truth? i guess not. Better you declare yourself an atheist guess you have a common ground with those folks.

Look at this brainwashed programmed ROBOT calling someone failed personality, lol.

You don't even have a personality , it is blank and filled in with the religious nonsense spewed out by your self-appointed MOG and regurgitated pagan myths.

Until you come out of the trance of dogma and tradition you will never be close the the truth.