Rilwayne001:


I won't allow you divert/derail our attention away from the primary aim/discussion of the OP..

limamintruth:


Oh well, unfortunately for you, this aint the islamic intolerant jihadists section

Okay

limamintruth:

God directed that 32 virgins out of the lot should be chosen as tribute solely to serve in the temple of God.

Rilwayne001:


I won't allow you divert/derail our attention away from the primary aim/discussion of the OP..

malvisguy212:


When you pay jizya tax, who spend the money? Allah or the muslims you pay the jizyah to? Or will allah come down to take the money?

Above all those are the old testament law which jesus come to fulfilled.

GooseBaba:


You keep exposing the foolishness of your god..

Answer simple question "what did your god do with 32 virgins " instead you are trying to link african science with arabian super story...

Then you posted a link that shows the chosen people of your god that went to war because their fellow isrealites wanted to rape a man, but after persuasion they decided to rape a young woman to death.

They were angry because a concubine that belongs to one of theirs was raped to death, and your god bless them in battle. But they see nothing wrong in kidnapping other people's daughters and raping them in the name of marriage..

It shows Yahweh and allah have no respect for women folks.. They are vultures of the same madness.

Smh.... Meanwhile, death to Islam and Christianity in Nigeria ashe..!!

Rilwayne001:



Jizyah is not and offering or tribute to Allah rather a poll tax levied from those who did not accept Islam, but were willing to live under the protection of Islam, and were thus tacitly willing to submit to the laws enforced by the Muslim State.




escape route...LMAO

Rilwayne001:
^^

Malvisguy212 i expect you to quote my reply to your previous post i already addressed most of this point there. Where I cited Numbers 31:52 for you...Please reply it, or is this all what you have to say on it as well

Simple Yes/No

malvisguy212:
jizyah will paid to who? Where does the money go?

malvisguy212:
this is more like a offering thread. They give offering to God, will God come down and collect it?

malvisguy212:

29 Take it of their half, and give it unto Eleazar the priest, for an [size=15pt] heave offering of the LORD [/size] . This verse was saying,collect the item won in the battle, collect half of it and give it to eleazer AS an offring to God,

just like a pastor will say,''give it AS an offering to God''

I maintain my answer, this verse does not say the virgin is for God, moreover it not only virgin but some few animals, what did God want to do with animal? God only use lamb as a sacrifice, but the verse did not say the animals were lamb.

Rilwayne001:


First of all the verse already tell us who the offering is for i.e the Lord...and it is the duty of the priest to present them to the Lord according to the bolded part i.e it is for the lord and not eleazer the priest just the way Gold were presented by moses and eleazer in 31:52 (**i cited this particular verse and you keep on ignoring it**).

Now to know how animals were presented to the lord by the PRIESTS lets go back to leviticuz.

Lev 1:2 "Speak to the Israelites and say to them: 'When any of you brings an offering to the LORD , bring as your offering an animal from either the herd or the flock.

Lev 1:3 [b] "'If the offering is a burnt offering from the herd, he is to offer a male without defect. He must present it at the entrance to the Tent of Meeting so that it will be acceptable to the LORD.

We see here that before an offering can be accepted by the bible God, it has to be sanctified just the way those war booty of midianites were sanctified before they were shared.

Lev 1:4 [b) He is to lay his hand on the head of the burnt offering, and it will be accepted on his behalf to make atonement for him. [/b]

Lev 1:5 He is to slaughter the young bull before the LORD, and then Aaron's sons the priests shall bring the blood and sprinkle it against the altar on all sides at the entrance to the Tent of Meeting.

Lev 1:6 He is to skin the burnt offering and cut it into pieces. .

Lev 1:7 The sons of Aaron the priest are to put fire on the altar and arrange wood on the fire.

Lev 1:8 Then Aaron's sons the priests shall arrange the pieces, including the head and the fat, on the burning wood that is on the altar.

Lev 1:9 He is to wash the inner parts and the legs with water, and the priest is to burn all of it on the altar. It is a burnt offering, an offering made by fire, an aroma pleasing to the LORD.

Now we see in the above narration that anything offered to the bible God is for him and must be presented to him just the way gold were presented to him by eleazer.

Or are you tellig me Aarons sons and the priest are the one given the offerings? No they presented it to the Lord. Now we shouldnt forger that Eleazer is a priest as well just the way Aarons son his. Will he now take it without offering them to the Lord? I need you to clear this..

Now we have a clue on how the midianites animal were presented to the lord, that was why i guess/assume in the OP that they were either fried of roasted.

But the virgins how will they be presented to the Lord?




Pastors are not OT priests. even the duty of a priest in the OT is different from the prophets.

Or tell me how many Goats and rams does your pastor collect as offering? how about virgins, does he?



You are just too ignorant @bolded.

Kindly put your stiffnecked head in shame after reading this.

Lev 1:2 "Speak to the Israelites and say to them: [size=13pt] 'When any of you brings an OFFERING to the LORD [/size] , bring as your offering an animal from either the [size=15pt] herd [/size] or the [size=15pt] flock. [/size]

I don't see wherr it says a lamb here

Rilwayne001:
Thank God you finally address the OP



Can you back this up with a verse in the chapter we are talking about? How about the animals? are they also going to serve in temple of the Lord? how about the Gold that moses and eleazer the priest present to the Lord?

I'm still coming

malvisguy212:
you are so wrong my friend.your interpretation of liviticus is wrong.

As a religious muslims you don't even understand how sin is being purified from someone?

Is a shame.

God is purifying the sins of the son of arron,

the guilt of there sin will go to the lamb and the holines of the lamb will go to them.

In those days when a priest wanted to purified a sinner,
the lamb will take his guilt just like jesus take our guilt once as for all and the sin of the the man will enter the lamb, the bible say jesus became sinner so that I can be made holy.

limamintruth:

God directed that 32 virgins out of the lot should be chosen as tribute solely to serve in the temple of God.

Yes, the animals were to be offered as sacrifice [size=15pt] (burnt offering) [/size] to God as an appreciation for granting the Isrealites victory.

And the gold were to be used in the temple also.

The biblical verses are all unambigous for a normal human brain to grasp.
Read 'em again with an unbiased and clear mind without sentiment and jealousy.

So now, will you be a gentleman and answer my earlier question to you @rilwayne?

Rilwayne001:






In Islam there is nothing like sacrificing animal to Allah in other to cleanse someone of his/her sin, that is why islam never agree that jesus was sent to be sacrificed for the sin of humanity, ISLAM TEACHES THAT YOUR WILL BE FORGIVEN IF YOU REPENT AND FORSAKE YOUR SIN, there is a verse in the bible that said same thing too.

It is absurd to believe that GOD who created animals want human to sacrifice those animals back to him. This is no doubt a pagan teaching, they are the only one that sacrifice animals to their gods just like "ogun" in yorubaland, those who believe in it usually sacrifice dog to him in other to soften his heart whenever he gets angry.

Can we then say our God is more like "ogun"?



Yes it is a shame to have believe in this nonsensical sacrificing of animals and human beings to God when actually he was the one that created them all.





You are just too ignorant aarons son are sinners so God os purifying them.? LMAO. See ehn you know nothing about the religion you profess.

Let me tell you who aaron is.

In Exodus we read the God ordaind Aaron's sons as priest of which Eleazer is among:

Exo 28:1 "Have Aaron your brother brought to you from among the Israelites, along with his sons Nadab and Abihu , Eleazar and Ithamar , so they [size=15pt] may serve me as priests. [/size]

The family of Aaron had the exclusive right and responsibility to make offerings on the altar to the God of Israel.
Moses was the one that anointed and consecrated Aaron and his sons to the priesthood, and arrayed them in the robes of
office. When Aaron completed the altar offerings for the first time and, with Moses,

Leviticus 9:23-24 "blessed the people: and the glory of the LORD appeared unto all the people: And [size=15pt] there came a fire out from before the LORD, and consumed upon the altar the burnt offering and the fat [/size] [which] when all the people saw, they shouted, and fell on their faces" …

In this way, the institution of the Aaronide priesthood was
established.
We see clearly now who Aaron is,

we see clearly who is sons were,

we see clearly that they were ordained as priest who present offering to the Lord.

And we see clearly how they usually present offering to the God of Israel. Levi 9:23-24

Are you still telling me they are sinners?



Aarons son were never sinners, get yoir facts right. Okay lemme show you this. in Genesis

Gen 8:20 Then Noah built an altar to the LORD and, taking some of all the clean animals and clean birds, he sacrificed burnt offerings on it.

Tell me did Noah also sacrifice those animals to the bible God because he wanted to atone for his sin?

I can confidently tell you that Noah offered some of all the animals as offering to the Lord in other to show how greateful he is for saving them from the water. No?

Now tell me, don't you think moses and eleazer wrre showing the same thing? hahaha, O Yeah they didnt even think about it, it was the bible God that demanded for his own share/offering directly, of which 32virgins were included.



Get your facts right the bible God don't accept animals for offering because one is a sinner, he do accept it fir freewill and thanksgiving too which i think was the reason why those midiates war booty were shared to him as well.

Lev 22:17 The LORD said to Moses,
Lev 22:18 "Speak to Aaron and his sons and to all the Israelites and say to them: 'If any of you--either an Israelite or an alien living in Israel-- [size=13pt] presents a gift [/size] for a burnt offering to the LORD, either to [size=13pt] fulfill a vow [/size] or as a [size=13pt] freewill offering, [/size]

Now malvisguy212, i can confidently say after these precepts upon precepts giving to you that those animals were presented to the Lord by placing thrm on the alter and the Lord sending fire to cosuming it, he even said he enjoy the AROMA (imagine God enjoying the aroma of burnt animals ) **Subhanallah**.

Now please tell me what was the faith of those virgins? hmmmm i'm scared oo .

limamintruth:
[s]
Chai, mallam rilwayne, why are you trying so hard to be mischievously st.u.pi..d [/s] I believe you are very much aware that in old times of Moses & other prophets of old in that era, Burnt offerings of animals were rightly made unto God as directed by the Almighty God. And the procedure is clearly stated in the Holy Bible on how the offering was to be undertaken. I believe you are very much aware of the story of Abraham; how God Almighty asked him to sacrifice his son as a test of his faith. And how an alternative(a ram) was provided for him by God to offer as sacrifice, instead of his son. Or what do you think your islam's symbolic 'sallahn laiyya' is all about? (where you muslims remember Ibrahim's sacrifice of a ram to God) You better stop with the pretense; unless if you feel your anabi Ibrahim was a fake also, or that he was serving a pagan God.

Rilwayne001:






In Islam there is nothing like sacrificing animal to Allah in other to cleanse someone of his/her sin, that is why islam never agree that jesus was sent to be sacrificed for the sin of humanity, ISLAM TEACHES THAT YOUR WILL BE FORGIVEN IF YOU REPENT AND FORSAKE YOUR SIN, there is a verse in the bible that said same thing too.

It is absurd to believe that GOD who created animals want human to sacrifice those animals back to him. This is no doubt a pagan teaching, they are the only one that sacrifice animals to their gods just like "ogun" in yorubaland, those who believe in it usually sacrifice dog to him in other to soften his heart whenever he gets angry.

Can we then say our God is more like "ogun"?



Yes it is a shame to have believe in this nonsensical sacrificing of animals and human beings to God when actually he was the one that created them all.





You are just too ignorant aarons son are sinners so God os purifying them.? LMAO. See ehn you know nothing about the religion you profess.

Let me tell you who aaron is.

In Exodus we read the God ordaind Aaron's sons as priest of which Eleazer is among:

Exo 28:1 "Have Aaron your brother brought to you from among the Israelites, along with his sons Nadab and Abihu , Eleazar and Ithamar , so they [size=15pt] may serve me as priests. [/size]

The family of Aaron had the exclusive right and responsibility to make offerings on the altar to the God of Israel.
Moses was the one that anointed and consecrated Aaron and his sons to the priesthood, and arrayed them in the robes of
office. When Aaron completed the altar offerings for the first time and, with Moses,

Leviticus 9:23-24 "blessed the people: and the glory of the LORD appeared unto all the people: And [size=15pt] there came a fire out from before the LORD, and consumed upon the altar the burnt offering and the fat [/size] [which] when all the people saw, they shouted, and fell on their faces" …

In this way, the institution of the Aaronide priesthood was
established.
We see clearly now who Aaron is,

we see clearly who is sons were,

we see clearly that they were ordained as priest who present offering to the Lord.

And we see clearly how they usually present offering to the God of Israel. Levi 9:23-24

Are you still telling me they are sinners?



Aarons son were never sinners, get yoir facts right. Okay lemme show you this. in Genesis

Gen 8:20 Then Noah built an altar to the LORD and, taking some of all the clean animals and clean birds, he sacrificed burnt offerings on it.

Tell me did Noah also sacrifice those animals to the bible God because he wanted to atone for his sin?

I can confidently tell you that Noah offered some of all the animals as offering to the Lord in other to show how greateful he is for saving them from the water. No?

Now tell me, don't you think moses and eleazer wrre showing the same thing? hahaha, O Yeah they didnt even think about it, it was the bible God that demanded for his own share/offering directly, of which 32virgins were included.



Get your facts right the bible God don't accept animals for offering because one is a sinner, he do accept it fir freewill and thanksgiving too which i think was the reason why those midiates war booty were shared to him as well.

Lev 22:17 The LORD said to Moses,
Lev 22:18 "Speak to Aaron and his sons and to all the Israelites and say to them: 'If any of you--either an Israelite or an alien living in Israel-- [size=13pt] presents a gift [/size] for a burnt offering to the LORD, either to [size=13pt] fulfill a vow [/size] or as a [size=13pt] freewill offering, [/size]

Now malvisguy212, i can confidently say after these precepts upon precepts giving to you that those animals were presented to the Lord by placing thrm on the alter and the Lord sending fire to cosuming it, he even said he enjoy the AROMA (imagine God enjoying the aroma of burnt animals ) **Subhanallah**.

Now please tell me what was the faith of those virgins? hmmmm i'm scared oo .

malvisguy212:
after this, please don't quote me again.

You say the sons of aaron were not sinner?

wrong my friend,you keep on misinterpret the bible, let me enlighten you here;

The offering arron offer to God was a sin offering for the jewish people including the sons of aaron.

Thus, two major transgressions of the
Jewish people were forgiven on this
awesome day.
'' Aaron... descended from the altar
where he had offered the sin-offering
and the burnt-offering and the peace-
offering. And Moses and Aaron went
into the Tent of the Meeting and then
they went outside and blessed the
people, and the glory of God
appeared to the ENTIRE PEOPLE. A fire
came forth from before God and
consumed what was on the altar ... All
the people saw and they raised their
voices in praise and THEY FELL on their
faces. (Leviticus 9:22-24)

So we see here the sins of this people were forgiving, but something happen next,tragedy. Tragedy Follows
What happens next can only be
described as tragic:
'' The sons of Aaron, Nadav and Avihu,
took a pan, and placed fire within,
and put incense upon the fire. They
brought before God a strange fire
which they had not been commanded
to bring. A fire came out from in front
of God and consumed them; they
died in front of God. Moses said to
Aaron, 'This is what God had referred
to, "I will be sanctified by those close
to me, thus I will be honored by the
entire people,"' and Aaron was silent.
(Leviticus 10:1-3) So we see after the sin offering, the sons of aaron still disobey God,are they not sinner mr rilwayn001 ?

According to one approach, the problem
was that the two entered the Sanctuary
drunk, evidenced by the section in the
Torah which follows this episode – Aaron
is warned against entering the Temple to
perform service while intoxicated:'' And God spoke to Aaron saying, 'Do not drink wine or strong drink, neither you nor your SONS when you enter the Tent of Meeting lest you
die.' (Leviticus 10:8-9) Thank you for your time.

Rilwayne001:


I told you to back this up with a verse in the bible and you did'nt

Rilwayne001:
How can you say that they are to solely serve in the temple of the lord when the bible say:

Numbers 18:5 “You are to be responsible for the care of the sanctuary and the altar, so that my wrath will not fall on the Israelites again. [size=13pt] I myself have selected your fellow Levites from among the Israelites as a gift to you, dedicated to the LORD to do the work at the tent of meeting. [ [/size] But only you and your sons may serve as priests in connection with everything at the altar and inside the curtain. I am giving you the service of the priesthood as a gift. [size=15pt] Anyone else who comes near the sanctuary is to be put to death.” [/size]

If anyone else is to be put to death how can you then tell me that they will be serving in the temple of the Lord

Does that make any sense to you?

Rilwayne001:
Now i want to tell you that this bible God accept humans as burnt offerings too...therefore we may deduce that since the virgins cant work in the temple guess they were offered as burnt offering too

limamintruth:

Human sacrifice is not included.

Rilwayne001:


Did you know that a whole town was offered to the God of the bible as burnt offerring?

Rilwayne001:


okay i won't after this

but i want you to know that you never clear any doubt as promised earlier before this thread was opened.



No, they were not.

A sinner cannot be ordained as a priest.



you need to enlighten yourself mr.



That was later in leviticus...you quoted me to tackle my point raised in leviticus 1:9 where Aarons son were made priest. and were been taught how to make offering, you said they were not been taught that they wre making atonement for there own sin.

Now you are moduling everything together, are you this confused?


This was latee in leviticus and it has nothing to do with what we are saying



They did'nt die because they were sinners rather because they made a mistake while offering sacrifice to the Lord

Lev 10:1 Aaron's sons Nadab and Abihu took their censers, put fire in them and added incense; and they offered unauthorized fire before the LORD, contrary to his command.

They made a mistake contrary to how they were taught to offer sacrifice and your lovin God out of annoyance consume them with fire smh.



Irrelevant!

This have nothing to do with what we are discussing here.
Stop digressing.

limamintruth:



hehehehe
So i guess no more Numbers 31 questions from you right?

Anyways, why not quote the Bible text that states what you claim so i can answer you.

BTW, hope you havent forgot my own question to you
I'l ask again:
why is it that you muslims are the ones presently indulging in killing of non-muslims whom you term 'infidels' in the name of your god?

Rilwayne001:


No,

Since you didnt quote a verse to back up your claim. Then lets leave it there.

Rilwayne001:


No need to

Rilwayne001:


Open a thread

Rilwayne001:


I think i'm done here

malvisguy212:
do you think God will kill Someone who He oderned as priest?they bring an unauthorised fire before they Lord,did God ask them to? Here is the verse again;

Leviticus10:1Aaron’s sons Nadab and Abihu took
their censers, put fire in them and added
incense; and they offered unauthorized
fire before the Lord, contrary to his
command.
These two
sons of Aaron offer unauthorized fire at
the altar. As a consequence, fire roars
out from God's presence and kills them.they were associating pagan practice to the worship of the true God.

Aaron and the priest ealezer had earlier disobey God oder.
Leviticus10:16-17.
'' 16 When Moses inquired about the goat
of the sin offering[a] and found that it
had been burned up, he was angry with
Eleazar and Ithamar, Aaron’s remaining
sons, and asked, 17 “Why didn’t you eat
the sin offering in the sanctuary area? It
is most holy; it was given to you to take
away the guilt of the community by
making atonement for them before the
Lord.

This verse indicate that , not only the sons of aaron but aaron himself and the priest disobey God oder.

These two incidents become the occasion for further instructions for priestly service ( liv. 8-15). Especially noteworthy is the prohibition against drinking alcohol while on duty in the Tent of Meeting. One whose senses are confused by drink might accidently transgress the sacred regulations. Drunkenness is condemned throughout the Bible.

You said the two sons of aaron made a mistake? Did you read the verse well? CONTRARY TO COMAND,what dose it mean?

10:1,2 Next to Moses and Aaron, none
were more likely to be honourable in
Israel than Nadab and Abihu. There is
reason to think that they were puffed up with pride, and that they were heated with wine. While the people were prostrate before the Lord, adoring his presence and glory, they rushed into the tabernacle to burn incense, though not at the appointed time; both together, instead of one alone, and with fire not taken from the altar. If it had been done through ignorance, they had been allowed to bring a sin-offering. But the soul that doeth presumptuously, and in contempt of God's majesty and justice, that soul shall be cut off. The wages of sin is death. They died in the very act of their sin. The sin and punishment of these priests showed the imperfection of that priesthood from. the very.

limamintruth:

And you also didnt quote any verse to show that the virgins were used as burnt offering naaa .

I'l advise you to accept the verses as they are

without assuming lies ok :-

Rilwayne001:
Hehehe this guy is a joker.



hehehe...I don't need to because that is the basis of this thread it is the major question asked in the OP, and i guessed that of the animal in the OP of which you affirm that i guessed right, i.e those animals were roasted by the bible God for he soo much like "suya" LMAO.

But that of the virgins i have no idea that wS why i asked in the OP, you only come up with an unscriptual opinion (you couldnt provide a verse to back up your point).

Anyway, lets leave it like that. Thanks for your contribution



No answer to my qywstion be that



But you also assumed unverifiable opinion.

I'm done here

limamintruth:

Simply put, you have no other argument to put forward shikenan

And yes, the God of anabi Ibrahim likes 'suya', so?

Al-Hajj 22: 37 It is not their meat nor their blood, that reaches Allah: it is your piety that reaches Him: He has thus made them subject to you, that ye may glorify Allah for His guidance to you: And proclaim the Good News to all who do right.

Whatever you chose to think or assume about the Holy Bible matters not. So save your assumptions to yourself & drink garri with it.

Just know that you & your ilks can never use the Holy Bible to justify the atrocities being perpetrated by islam; many b4 you have all tried and failed. U hear bahhh? Lol

limamintruth:



Long tym no see my good friend yazach

For your sake, i'l briefly answer you to cure your confusion if its still curable sha.

God directed that 32 virgins out of the lot should be chosen as tribute solely to serve in the temple of God. Virginity is considered as a symbol of purity in a lady, that was why only virgins were chosen for such holy service.

No where in the holy Bible was it expressly stated that these virgins were chosen to become wives or concubines to God Almighty; neither was it stated that they were to be teleported to heaven to be His wives. Thus,no need infering what doesnt exists my fellow islamits.

So Try harder next time @op, cos this your tactic to rubbish christians has woefully failed