"And behold, the veil of the temple was torn in two from top to bottom; and the earth shook and the rocks were split.The tombs were opened, and many bodies of the saints who had fallen asleep were raised; and coming out of the tombs after His resurrection they entered the holy city and appeared to many" - Matthew 27:51-53

There is something not quite right about this scripture and it looks more like a fabrication than truth.

Issues :

1. What were the names of the saints
2. How come it was never reported , not even by Josephus the jewish historian
3. Paul never mentioned this either
4. It erroneously suggests that these saints were resurrected before Jesus even though he was supposed to be the first born from the dead.
5. Who did they appear to
6. Where did they go to after appearing to people in the city ?
7. Don't you think these saints would have made the best evangelists ?

hehehehehe we are waiting for the christians to come and actually tell us they believe this... this sounds like zombie movie to me. corpses waking up nd walkin round the town flexing for people to see em... ewoooooooo... this can certainly make a clear thinkin person to see all this are lies...

johnydon22:
hehehehehe we are waiting for the christians to come and actually tell us they believe this... this sounds like zombie movie to me. corpses waking up nd walkin round the town flexing for people to see em... ewoooooooo... this can certainly make a clear thinkin person to see all this are lies...

they won't touch this thread , mark my word. It's called fear of the truth.

frosbel:


they won't touch this thread , mark my word. It's called fear of the truth.

lmao... no be small

frosbel:


they won't touch this thread , mark my word. It's called fear of the truth.

if u no be ashawo,why u wan know wetin ashawo dey do?

Mr frosbel... very simple .... only few people fell asleep... we must realise the bible doesn't make mistakes in the use of its word. thanks

handsomebolanle:
Mr frosbel... very simple .... only few people fell asleep... we must realise the bible doesn't make mistakes in the use of its word. thanks

What does this mean?

handsomebolanle:
Mr frosbel... very simple .... only few people fell asleep... we must realise the bible doesn't make mistakes in the use of its word. thanks

??

"Now when David had served God's purpose in his own generation, he fell asleep; he was buried with his ancestors and his body decayed. Act 13:36,

When everyone had assumed lazarus was dead which he was literally dead,.....
He cried with a loud voice, 'Lazarus, come forth!' And he who had died(literally) came out bound hand and foot with graveclothes.. john 11


For this we say to you by the word of the Lord, that we who are alive and remain until the coming of the Lord will by no means precede those who are asleep. For the Lord Himself will descend from heaven with a shout, with the voice of an archangel, and with the trumpet of God. And the dead in Christ will rise first. Then we who are alive and remain shall be caught up together with them in the clouds to meet the Lord in the air. And thus we shall always be with the Lord" (1 Thessalonians:4:15-17

No wonder the bible says those asleep in death....The righteous dead are asleep...

frosbel:
"And behold, the veil of the temple was torn in two from top to bottom; and the earth shook and the rocks were split.The tombs were opened, and many bodies of the saints who had fallen asleep were raised; and coming out of the tombs after His resurrection they entered the holy city and appeared to many" - Matthew 27:51-53

There is something not quite right about this scripture and it looks more like a fabrication than truth.

Issues :

1. What were the names of the saints
2. How come it was never reported , not even by Josephus the jewish historian
3. Paul never mentioned this either
4. It erroneously suggests that these saints were resurrected before Jesus even though he was supposed to be the first born from the dead.
5. Who did they appear to
6. Where did they go to after appearing to people in the city ?
7. Don't you think these saints would have made the best evangelists ?

So you think the story is fabricated? What criteria do you use to determine what story in the bible is fabricated and what story is authentic? Because its either you believe the bible is the word of God or you don't.

Otherwise you will be bound to using personal sentiments to cherry pick what story or doctrine you accept or reject in the word of God. And in that case the bible is no more the word of God to you.

Now to the scripture you quoted and to your question.

Matthew 27v52 -And the graves were opened; and many BODIES of the saints which slept AROSE.

If you had done a careful study you will discover that the word translated "arose" in that specific verse is the greek word

"EGEIRO" -which means "to rouse" as from sleep or "to erect or construct" as of a building.

This is in sharp contrast with the greek word

"ANASTASIA" -which means "to raise from the dead" or "to restore back to life"

Anytime "egeiro" is used in scripture it means to rouse. If it is used in the context of bringing someone back to life, the phrase "from the dead" is mostly added.

So when the bible said that the bodies of the saints which slept AROSE (egeiro). It didn't mean that they were alive yet or that their spirits and souls were back inside their bodies. No, it means their decomposed bodies were made whole.

If their souls and spirits had returned into their bodies, scripture would have added "arose (egeiro) FROM THE DEAD" or simply used the greek word "anastasia" which means "to restore back to life."

It was after Jesus rose from the dead, that the spirits and souls of these saints also entered their bodies; and they came out of their graves like Jesus.

And that point was made clear in the next verse

Matthew 27v52 -And (they) came out of the graves AFTER HIS (Jesus) RESURRECTION, and went into the holy city, and appeared unto many.

They were not alive or animate until after Jesus resurrected. Their BODIES were only roused.

Jesus is in everyway the first begotten from the dead.

Now to your other questions.

1: What were the names of the saints?

Scripture didn't say, it only called them saints. We should not go beyond what is written.

2 and 3: How come it wasn't mentioned by Josephus or Paul?

I don't think because Josephus and Paul didn't mention an incident of Christ's life and ministry then it didn't happen. Did Paul mention the multiplication of bread and fish by Jesus? Did he mention his walking on water or even turning water to wine?

Does that mean the miracles or the stories were fabricated too?

5: Who did they appear to?

Scripture didn't say either, it only said they appeared to many. Let's also not go beyond what is written.

6: Where did they go to after appearing to people in the city?

Scripture didn't say either. But if I'm allowed to speculate, my guess would be they also ascended. They would be the firstfruits of the sacrifice of Christ's body presented before God.

Remember the High priest always presents the sacrifice of the firstfruits of the barley harvest to God; at the feast of firstfruits, after passover and unleavened bread. (Let's not go into all that)

7: Don't you think the saints would have made the best evangelists?

Well from our view point, they would have been; as in resurrected saints preaching the resurrected Christ -that would be something. But I guess not from God's view point.

God obviously wanted the mandate of the gospel to be the responsiblity of fellow new covenant believers, not resurrected old covenant saints.

LOL, Frosbel keep it up, you are getting there. The stories in the Bible is fabricated? epic.

frosbel:
"And behold, the veil of the temple was torn in two from top to bottom; and the earth shook and the rocks were split.The tombs were opened, and many bodies of the saints who had fallen asleep were raised; and coming out of the tombs after His resurrection they entered the holy city and appeared to many" - Matthew 27:51-53

There is something not quite right about this scripture and it looks more like a fabrication than truth.

Issues :

1. What were the names of the saints
2. How come it was never reported , not even by Josephus the jewish historian
3. Paul never mentioned this either
4. It erroneously suggests that these saints were resurrected before Jesus even though he was supposed to be the first born from the dead.
5. Who did they appear to
6. Where did they go to after appearing to people in the city ?
7. Don't you think these saints would have made the best evangelists ?

You should look up Thomas Paine's "Age of Reason" on this question. It was side-splitting hilarious. In fact, I strongly recommend the book.

ayoku777:


So you think the story is fabricated? What criteria do you use to determine what story in the bible is fabricated and what story is authentic? Because its either you believe the bible is the word of God or you don't.

Otherwise you will be bound to using personal sentiments to cherry pick what story or doctrine you accept or reject in the word of God. And in that case the bible is no more the word of God to you.

Only a delusional fo0l would think otherwise.

Now to the scripture you quoted and to your question.

Matthew 27v52 -And the graves were opened; and many BODIES of the saints which slept AROSE.

If you had done a careful study you will discover that the word translated "arose" in that specific verse is the greek word

"EGEIRO" -which means "to rouse" as from sleep or "to erect or construct" as of a building.

This is in sharp contrast with the greek word

"ANASTASIA" -which means "to raise from the dead" or "to restore back to life"

Anytime "egeiro" is used in scripture it means to rouse. If it is used in the context of bringing someone back to life, the phrase "from the dead" is mostly added.

So when the bible said that the bodies of the saints which slept AROSE (egeiro). It didn't mean that they were alive yet or that their spirits and souls were back inside their bodies. No, it means their decomposed bodies were made whole.

If their souls and spirits had returned into their bodies, scripture would have added "arose (egeiro) FROM THE DEAD" or simply used the greek word "anastasia" which means "to restore back to life."

To summarize the boring lecture, egeiro simply means to arouse and anastasia means to raise from the dead. Sometimes if the writer intends to use egeiro with connection to a resurrection he could write "egeiro from the dead" which is equivalent to anastasia in meaning.

While this formular is utterly true, our lecturer erroneously took it for a point to support his claim. His claim was since the author of Matthew didn't add "from the dead" to egeiro, which means "to rouse", then the author wasn't talking of a real resurrection. It becomes apparent that our lecturer hasn't read diverse textbooks (different translations of the Bible), and for all his whole life he has only one kind that has been his anchor (KJV), and that's too bad.

So I don't need to post much stories. Only one different translation of Matthew 27:52 and your claim falls on its face.







The NIV has the verse as:

"and the tombs broke open. The bodies of many holy people who had died were raised to life

The NLT has the verse as:

"and tombs opened. The bodies of godly men and women who had died were raised from the dead

and we have this Internation Standard Version having the verse as:

"tombs were opened, and many saints who had died were brought back to life

It was after Jesus rose from the dead, that the spirits and souls of these saints also entered their bodies; and they came out of their graves like Jesus.

And that point was made clear in the next verse

Matthew 27v52 -And (they) came out of the graves AFTER HIS (Jesus) RESURRECTION, and went into the holy city, and appeared unto many.

They were not alive or animate until after Jesus resurrected. Their BODIES were only roused.

Jesus is in everyway the first begotten from the dead.

and we have realized that your claims are off the points. Those saints came back to life in the author's allegation. And it's highly suspect.


Now to your hillarious answers

Now to your other questions.

1: What were the names of the saints?

Scripture didn't say, it only called them saints. We should not go beyond what is written.

We let him go in this one.

2 and 3: How come it wasn't mentioned by Josephus or Paul?

I don't think because Josephus and Paul didn't mention an incident of Christ's life and ministry then it didn't happen.

The incident is too miraculous to escape history. The fact that Josephus and Paul didn't mention it shows that it could have never been a reality. Philo who lived in the supposed lifetime of Jesus never mentioned such an astonishing incident. He never for once even mentioned the name Jesus.

Did Paul mention the multiplication of bread and fish by Jesus? Did he mention his walking on water or even turning water to wine?

Paul never claimed to have witnessed a flesh and blood Jesus. He got his ideas from a spirit Jesus. You know who Gnotics are?

Does that mean the miracles or the stories were fabricated too?

Sincerely, they were.

5: Who did they appear to?

Scripture didn't say either, it only said they appeared to many. Let's also not go beyond what is written.

We let him go in that one too.

6: Where did they go to after appearing to people in the city?

Scripture didn't say either. But if I'm allowed to speculate, my guess would be they also ascended. They would be the firstfruits of the sacrifice of Christ's body presented before God.

Remember the High priest always presents the sacrifice of the firstfruits of the barley harvest to God; at the feast of firstfruits, after passover and unleavened bread. (Let's not go into all that)

jeez... Ascended? Shouldn't that be recorded too, by Josephus, Philo and Paul? Your guess doesn't work mate.

7: Don't you think the saints would have made the best evangelists?

Well from our view point, they would have been; as in resurrected saints preaching the resurrected Christ -that would be something. But I guess not from God's view point.

God obviously wanted the mandate of the gospel to be the responsiblity of fellow new covenant believers, not resurrected old covenant saints.

Go back to your foundation. Your answers are misleading.

Mintayo:
LOL, Frosbel keep it up, you are getting there. The stories in the Bible is fabricated? epic.

What if we find fabricated stories , should we just turn a blind eye and march on ?

frosbel:


What if we find fabricated stories , should we just turn a blind eye and march on ?

noo we are supposed to move on without asking whether its true or not.. #Typical

Abuamam:


You should look up Thomas Paine's "Age of Reason" on this question. It was side-splitting hilarious. In fact, I strongly recommend the book.

Yes I have , even before you mentioned it.

johnydon22:


noo we are supposed to move on without asking whether its true or not.. #Typical

They did this for centuries, sweeping their 'dirt' under the carpet and killing, maiming, exiling, imprisoning anyone and everyone who dared to lift up the carpet and clean out the mess.

We are lucky we live in a new era, in those days dissenters like us will be lynched , burnt and our ashes thrown into the sea ... Trust me , this happened to so many people

frosbel:


What if we find fabricated stories , should we just turn a blind eye and march on ?

so you think there are fabricated story in the Bible? What we call the word of God? You are speaking like an atheist, you just don't know it yet.

1. Names are not given. Jesus also appeared to 500 most of whose were dead by the time Paul was penning 1 Corinthians. Any idea who these be dumbo?

2. Did Josephus report Lazarus? Where else was Lazarus resurrection reported? How many times should an event be reported before it qualifies as truth?

3. Paul never mentioned Lazarus either nor the virgin birth

4. This is BS because Lazarus, Jairus daughter among others all resurrected BEFORE Christ. Outside NT, we have Elijah/Elisha records of the same. Ever read about Moabites dropping corpses on a prophet's bones? The reason Jesus is the FIRST begotten from among the dead is because He rose again in a glorified body,he rose up to Incorruption while all others before and after him rose to the same bodies they had; they died again. Polish your theology as soon as you have had sufficient classes on logic and basically being a human that is thinking.

5. You are told to whom they appeared; those in the city

6. Same place Lazarus went after rising. He became a tourist and he toured ancient Nigeria and Australia.

7. I think you would make a dumb skeptic. It takes minimal intelligence to question things. Lazarus should have been Jerulamem Bishop or something

frosbel:
"And behold, the veil of the temple was torn in two from top to bottom; and the earth shook and the rocks were split.The tombs were opened, and many bodies of the saints who had fallen asleep were raised; and coming out of the tombs after His resurrection they entered the holy city and appeared to many" - Matthew 27:51-53

There is something not quite right about this scripture and it looks more like a fabrication than truth.

Issues :

1. What were the names of the saints
2. How come it was never reported , not even by Josephus the jewish historian
3. Paul never mentioned this either
4. It erroneously suggests that these saints were resurrected before Jesus even though he was supposed to be the first born from the dead.
5. Who did they appear to
6. Where did they go to after appearing to people in the city ?
7. Don't you think these saints would have made the best evangelists ?

Mintayo:

so you think there are fabricated story in the Bible? What we call the word of God? You are speaking like an atheist, you just don't know it yet.

Do you believe that every word, statement, coma and full stop in the bible is inspired by God ?

johnydon22:
hehehehehe we are waiting for the christians to come and actually tell us they believe this... this sounds like zombie movie to me. corpses waking up nd walkin round the town flexing for people to see em... ewoooooooo... this can certainly make a clear thinkin person to see all this are lies...

the same thing will happen at the end of time, those who died in Christ will resurrect again and live foreva, its nt strange then that it happened when Jesus died

frosbel:


Do you believe that every word, statement, coma and full stop in the bible is inspired by God ?

2Timothy 3:16,,All scriptures,,not some.

xamilola:
2Timothy 3:16,,All scriptures,,not some.

And ?

xamilola:
the same thing will happen at the end of time, those who died in Christ will resurrect again and live foreva, its nt strange then that it happened when Jesus died

so actually believe this

frosbel:


They did this for centuries, sweeping their 'dirt' under the carpet and killing, maiming, exiling, imprisoning anyone and everyone who dared to lift up the carpet and clean out the mess.

We are lucky we live in a new era, in those days dissenters like us will be lynched , burnt and our ashes thrown into the sea ... Trust me , this happened to so many people

lmao....

frosbel:


Do you believe that every word, statement, coma and full stop in the bible is inspired by God ?

I believe the Word of God. I also believe that Nothing in The Bible is by accident.

Mintayo:

I believe the Word of God. I also believe that Nothing in The Bible is by accident.

So any lie we find is not accidental ? Then what is the purpose of this lie in scripture ?

frosbel:


So any lie we find is not accidental ? Then what is the purpose of this lie in scripture ?

You Are the one that call and see it as a lie,I dont see it as such.