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|Pastor Matthew Ashimolowo Speaks On T.b Joshua by matoyeh(m): 1:40pm On Jun 15, 2010|
What is your position on the controversy about whether or not Pastor T.B Joshua of the Synagogue of All Nations might be fake?
A: I followed the whole argument and I noticed that TheNEWS published an extensive interview of Joshua. We kept track of developments, even when I was in London. I knew your magazine interviewed him .I was born in Zaria and grew up in Kaduna. And I left Kaduna in 1964. I went back in December last year. My journey from Abuja to Kaduna, because I was preaching at Abuja, was by road. And the magazine I chose to read wasTheNEWS . In the magazine (I wish you keep that interview and put it on the web), it practically settled the matter of Joshua or T.B Joshua. Certain questions were asked him (and I believe the person who asked him must be a committed Christian). "Tell us when you were born, when you became a Christian." And he said: "I have been a Christian from when I was born." Zero, Zero, Zero! You do not inherit Christianity.
My dad was a soldier but that didn't make me a soldier. I loved the Army. I was reading to finish my A levels and go to the NDA when I got born again. My brother ended in the Army. I just never wanted another life but the Army. But being raised in the Army Barracks, spending 18 years of my life there, did not make me any near being part of the Nigerian Army other than to find the fact that I know their rudiments but I'm not on their books.
I quoted the TheNEWS the following week, here in Lagos, I think the same week, I was preaching for Paul Adefarasin. I quoted TheNEWS as having interviewed him:
"When did you become a Christian? How did you become a Christian?"
He said "I was a Christian from my mother's womb".
"Who is your pastor?" He did not answer that question. So, he has no pastor. He has no root as to when he got born again. His explanation as to the root of the miraculous in his life is mystical, not spiritual as in the Bible.
Therefore, while on one hand I feel that the whole Chris Okotie, Joshua, Oyakhilome drama was unfortunate because I feel two brothers have allowed their fight to come out into the open, and it has been badly managed, yet, on another hand, I think in the process, they helped us to avert a major danger. It is my personal conclusion based on my observation and that Mr. T.B Joshua, in the beginning never claimed to be part of us.
Probably, because he needed credibility, he therefore began to claim to be part of us. There is no proof of his salvation. We don't know his Pastor. You ask me who was my Pastor and I'll tell you who my Pastor was. Every man of God knows. We know the Pastor of Pastor Adeboye; we know the Pastor of Mike Okonkwo; we know the Pastor of Bishop Oyedepo we know the Pastors of all these men. We know where Chris Okotie began. I was in the same show with Chris Okotie. He didn't know. In September 1979, when he just got born again and he was invited by Sunday Show NTA 10 , Tony Ogunlana, he was the producer in those days. He was interviewed for singing songs like ABC and so on. I was interviewed by Richard Ikiebe. He used to write for Sunday Times .
I was interviewed as a young pastor in 1979. I was only 25 years old or something. We were on the same show. So, you can trace the salvation of Chris Okotie. You can trace that of Oyakhilome. He comes from a family of Assemblies of God. The previous general supervisor was a Rev. Oyakhilome. Where is T. B Joshua's local Church? So, we don't know Joshua's pastor, we don't know where he was raised from. He doesn't have a testimony, based on TheNEWS. He has no testimony from where he got born again. He said he was born like that. So, we cannot accept that he is one of us. It is possible. I do not know; I have no proof.
Q: Must he actually have the criteria you have outlined? Can't one be born and be a man of God without going through the way outlined?
A: You can be born again through a personal encounter with God. That's an occasion of one in ten thousand. Joshua could be one of the one in ten thousand, so everything is coincidental. Is salvation one in ten thousand? There is no local church we could connect him to. His being called, then, is one in ten thousand . There is no pastor we could connect him to. So, his call to ministration is also one in ten thousand because we've seen people who suddenly experienced the power of God.
In 1923, Moses Orimolade experienced the power of God - moved in the super natural. Cherubim and Seraphim did not start with white garment; the man experienced the genuine power of God and went out to begin to pray for people. The problem there was the absence of good teaching. There are people who have encountered God. But even then, Moses Orimolade came out of the Church of the Lord, Aladura. So there is a trace. Church of the Lord, Aladura, came out of the Anglican Church.
In 1923, Joseph Ayo Babalola experienced a supernatural encounter with God when he was driving a trailer from Akure to llesa. When he got to a place called Arakeji, he experienced an encounter with God. And that was the place. There and then, he was called into ministry. You must have heard of the Precious Stone Church, the Faith Tabernacle, the Apostolic, the Christ Apostolic. Tell me about any man of God in this life, I've studied the history of revival in this country and I will tell you how he got born again. I don't have a history of T.B Joshua.
|Re: Pastor Matthew Ashimolowo Speaks On T.b Joshua by noetic16(m): 1:56pm On Jun 15, 2010|
This is laughable.
|Re: Pastor Matthew Ashimolowo Speaks On T.b Joshua by maedan(f): 2:00pm On Jun 15, 2010|
Wow. He has no "testimony"> that's really deep. Some of the points raised actually make sense. How, when and where was he saved, who was his pastor/ spiritual leader? Even if he was a pagan(and he claims he was born a Christian, so that's out), there must be some background somewhere. In any case one day the truth will out, as they say.
|Re: Pastor Matthew Ashimolowo Speaks On T.b Joshua by VALIDATOR: 3:15pm On Jun 15, 2010|
We must note that pastor Ashimolowo was only giving his personal opinion.
TBJ doesnt have to do his business the way Ashimolowo does his.
|Re: Pastor Matthew Ashimolowo Speaks On T.b Joshua by Chiddysville(m): 3:21pm On Jun 15, 2010|
Pastor, continue wallowing in ignorance. At least you once preached that God can race a stone to worship and do His biddings and all of a sudden, God now has limitations. Hypocrites
|Re: Pastor Matthew Ashimolowo Speaks On T.b Joshua by eddy1977(m): 5:32am On Jun 16, 2010|
TB Joshua is just an hinnoncent imposter. he seems to be sincere in his convictions,but his ministry is a farce.
even Jesus was introduced to the world by john the baptist
paul was introduced by anannias and barnabas.
jesus had a genealoy, TB Joshua has none.
|Re: Pastor Matthew Ashimolowo Speaks On T.b Joshua by Joagbaje(m): 6:32am On Jun 16, 2010|
|Re: Pastor Matthew Ashimolowo Speaks On T.b Joshua by maedan(f): 6:52am On Jun 16, 2010|
So what is the essence of this autobiography and what exactly does it show/prove?
|Re: Pastor Matthew Ashimolowo Speaks On T.b Joshua by Joagbaje(m): 7:18am On Jun 16, 2010|
I was not writing autobiography, I only quoted what he said about his Christian experience , Since they claim he never had any. Ok let me cut some Unneccesary part off.
" I was brought up from a Christian home. My father’s name is Kolawole Balogun. He was a Christian. He was a farmer who was also the secretary to St. Steven’s church in our village. When the white people came to our village, he served as a translator. He was translating English into Yoruba. He was an educated man. He lived with the white people as well as serving as church secretary. I cannot say much about my father because he died when I was a small boy. I know that he loved me a lot. I was his pet. I was the one who suffered most from the effect of his death. Being the last born, anywhere he is going, he would take me along. He would carry me to the church. As a little boy, I would be running inside the church. I would jump from the choir to the catechist’s table.
|Re: Pastor Matthew Ashimolowo Speaks On T.b Joshua by nuclearboy(m): 8:01am On Jun 16, 2010|
Where is the Salvation experience?
Caveat: I'm not saying he is fake but the story above is not credible as a "Christian" testimony. Demons can be subdued by more powerful demons and satan works miracles to make himself out "an angel of light"
|Re: Pastor Matthew Ashimolowo Speaks On T.b Joshua by maedan(f): 9:05am On Jun 16, 2010|
Still looking for the "testimony" in his story. I'm not saying he is fake either, or that he has to follow any one's formula of salvation.
|Re: Pastor Matthew Ashimolowo Speaks On T.b Joshua by adedayo79: 11:47am On Jun 16, 2010|
I do not attend the synagogue but i am greatly in love with the man and his work.
With my wordly eyes he is a man of God.
|Re: Pastor Matthew Ashimolowo Speaks On T.b Joshua by DoubleN(m): 11:53am On Jun 16, 2010|
The stone is still being kept till now. Why
|Re: Pastor Matthew Ashimolowo Speaks On T.b Joshua by otokx(m): 12:06pm On Jun 16, 2010|
|Re: Pastor Matthew Ashimolowo Speaks On T.b Joshua by zmurda(m): 12:07pm On Jun 16, 2010|
Is it the same Ashimolowo accusing some one of fraud,
I don't trust both of them. However, I would choose TB over Mathew anyday. Mathew's turenchi is too much. TB on the other hand predicts matches, which I am very much interested in
|Re: Pastor Matthew Ashimolowo Speaks On T.b Joshua by moi2(f): 12:07pm On Jun 16, 2010|
I've been following your posts for a while in the religion section and I see your sincerity. While am not for or against your posts I would like to contact you privately cos av also noticed that a lot of people throw insults at each other on nairaland which is quite distracting. If you are interested, let me know and I'll post my email addy. Thank you
|Re: Pastor Matthew Ashimolowo Speaks On T.b Joshua by Bukittes(f): 12:09pm On Jun 16, 2010|
I understand Pastor Ashimolowo well, he cited some examples which are accurately accurate! Like Moses Orimolade and Babalola's. These are men no one in our generation reckon with but their stories are genuine and I'm impressed with his write up. I am not saying Uncle TBJ is fake or real but every xtian has a transforming experience which you cannot forget in a hurry. I appreciate his giving ministry more than any other thing he does. He is a good example in this aspect but if its not backed up with God's power its just a show. So Pls let him tell us who his Pastor is cos I know who mine is!! and I know who my pastor's own is!!!
|Re: Pastor Matthew Ashimolowo Speaks On T.b Joshua by Nobody: 12:13pm On Jun 16, 2010|
Joagbaje, i dont see any credibility in the biography u posted. its complete crap full of inconsistencies.
how can a person be in 15 schools in 12 months?
didnt they ask him to pay before he even registered?
there are only three terms in a year, which one was he applying for all through the year?
abeg, make he no feed us trash.
how could his father have been educated before the white man came and even a secretary of a church
a church the white man did not establish?
wasn't it the white man that brought education and religion?
as i read, education came after religion.
missionaries brought religion.
well, except his father was taken away on slavery and then brought back home which is very unlikely.
even if, he couldn't have been a church's secretary.
i'd believe him more if he told us his christian experience in details.
or at least if someone credible from his past can corroborate his story.
as it were now, since he went to about 15 evening school, he has ruled out the question of the set he graduated with.
abeg, all in all, T.B Joshua needs a lot of air-clearing to do.
but really, na only God know wu dey serve am.
i advise we all keep a personal relationship with God first, before seeking d leadership of any spiritual father.
|Re: Pastor Matthew Ashimolowo Speaks On T.b Joshua by adedayo79: 12:24pm On Jun 16, 2010|
The more the critism the more he is making great progress in his ministry.
Why cant PFN members face their respective ministry and keep wininng souls?
Why the undue finger pointing.
But frankly,was REV.King a member of PFN before his travail?
People do not see what they need to see.
He is devil or he is that but as long as T B J keeps doing the very many great jobs he is doing then i would never stop believing in him that he is indeed a man of God.
I rest my case
|Re: Pastor Matthew Ashimolowo Speaks On T.b Joshua by tomv(m): 12:40pm On Jun 16, 2010|
The emmergence of TB as a spirtual leader and a pastor remains a mystery to me, i once live around that part of lagos and and his story could be described as the more you look the less you see!, since then till now the story is the same.
|Re: Pastor Matthew Ashimolowo Speaks On T.b Joshua by adedayo79: 12:43pm On Jun 16, 2010|
Remember a Yoruba saying
A WA MA RIDI NI ISE OLORUN.
You can never understand the working of God.
TBJ carry go .
|Re: Pastor Matthew Ashimolowo Speaks On T.b Joshua by onyengbu1(m): 12:44pm On Jun 16, 2010|
I only sense jealousy in all these TB Joshua criticisms.
Back in the '90s when TB Joshua has no swagger or followership, how many of all these funky pastors did care tp trace his roots?
Now that the man has got followership which is = more money and swagger, they are now on his case like 24/7.
I can only say its jealousy. Period!
Me sef I no trust TB Joshua but I trust him a million times more than ashimolowo, chris okotie and chris oyakhilome.
|Re: Pastor Matthew Ashimolowo Speaks On T.b Joshua by searchcorp(m): 12:53pm On Jun 16, 2010|
thanks for posting that auto biography of T.B. Joshua, i so much love that man, when Joseph Ayo Babalola was alife, white men called him fake and didnt believe in his ministry as a matter of fact anytime they interview him, they go like they cant even understand him. but now he is dead and respected., maybe T.B.Joshua would be respected when he is dead.
but for me, i m so loving him, i ll like to be like him someday.
and just incase somebody would wanna talk - i m not even his church member but i am forever a xtian, and never an accuser of the brethren, God warned me not to ever say anything false about any xtian,
|Re: Pastor Matthew Ashimolowo Speaks On T.b Joshua by ud4u: 12:54pm On Jun 16, 2010|
The end justifies the means
|Re: Pastor Matthew Ashimolowo Speaks On T.b Joshua by adedayo79: 12:55pm On Jun 16, 2010|
Inspite of all the critism,his church keep growing.
Inspite of the negative image Nigeria has the world over,i hear of many Americans,Europeans,asians and fellow africans alike throoping to the Synagogue to view where God reigh supreme.
Other man of God should assert these wasted energy used in fighting TBJ on building an even stronger body of christ.
|Re: Pastor Matthew Ashimolowo Speaks On T.b Joshua by Allwell(m): 1:36pm On Jun 16, 2010|
I don't want to join issues and i respect Pastor Matthew a lot. But the bible account of John the Baptist said John was filled with the Holy Spirit from his mother's womb. John was also in the wilderness until the days of His showing. He didn't need to have a pharisee training or something. I think Pastor T.B. should be left alone and God's work should move forward.
|Re: Pastor Matthew Ashimolowo Speaks On T.b Joshua by illskillz: 1:48pm On Jun 16, 2010|
they shuld all leave that pastor alone God knows who is serving him.
|Re: Pastor Matthew Ashimolowo Speaks On T.b Joshua by Reptyle(m): 2:11pm On Jun 16, 2010|
A great man passed on to the great beyond leaving for his three children a great inheritance. Suddenly, a stranger shows up at their doorstep laying claim to a fraction of the inheritance on the grounds that he is the long lost son of the deceased great man. He bears strong physical looks to the three children, but h speaks a different tongue alien to them.
Do you not think the 3 "original" children would be within their right to question the stranger's ancestry? Its not in my place to question Mr. Joshua's genuineness or the lack of it. But methinks that all that these other gentlemen of the cloak are asking is: From whence cometh thou o' man in the synagogue
|Re: Pastor Matthew Ashimolowo Speaks On T.b Joshua by hollafun96: 3:03pm On Jun 16, 2010|
i just don't know why some pastors dont focus on their own ministry, why should you complain about a spec in somebody`s eyes when you have in your eyes. may God help us all, we should try not to behave like the pharisees and Sadducee that cannot do without condemning and criticizing.
|Re: Pastor Matthew Ashimolowo Speaks On T.b Joshua by ukotmi: 3:13pm On Jun 16, 2010|
Honestly the story makes a lot of sense to me. I know that I am born again but there is no extra ordinary experience like that of Saul of Tarsus. I remember a preacher asking me of my salvation testimony in 1989 or there about. . I quoted , That God so loved the world that he gave his only begotten son,........... but have eternal life." He took me to the cleaners saying that I do not have a testimony neither saved. . Actually I was born and brought up a catholic and from the age of 7 was already aware of hell, heaven, angels etc. I attended catechism from a very young age.
Later at the age of 14 I joined the Charismatic movement in my local church. I didn't get born again within this period but got saved three or four years later.
But I didn't know that the right word for what happened to me is called salvation, saved or born again . It was years after while in the university that I understond it to be called born again . In Catholic Charismatic circles, we used to call it changing of life style(in vernacular). Within me, I know that something significant happened. All my interests,affections, focus changed. I cant point to any one as my pastor or mentor. It is only now I point to the pastor of my local assembly as my pastor.In growing as a christian, apart from the bible, I studied a lot of stuff from Radio Bible Class( Now Resources for Bible Communication or Class). I used their devotional, Daily Bread a lot and still buys if i see one.
At university some of my friends usually talk of reckless lives they lived before been saved but I never lived one.they made it to look like, if you have never lived a rough life, you are not ready for Christianity. But I have my own challenges and weakness to deal with. God helped me.
In essence, God uses several ways to bring us into the kingdom. It must not be the same for everybody. I have never met TBJ but he said he was the leader of SU in his school.How did he become the leader of SU if he wasn't born again or saved then?
|Re: Pastor Matthew Ashimolowo Speaks On T.b Joshua by Chiddysville(m): 3:16pm On Jun 16, 2010|
i noticed most people here have already condemned TBJ before coming here to spew trash. since you all want to know him more, is it not adviceable to do your own research about his early life or better still buy his book to know the church his parents attended (Anglican and was baptised)? coming out here with no evidence to condemn someone just because we are not opportuned to be in his shoes should be condemned by true christians. Anyway, who am i to blame after all Jesus was also called the prince of darkness for doing good and not for ripping people off. hypocrites
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