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Pastor Matthew Ashimolowo Speaks On T.b Joshua by matoyeh(m): 1:40pm On Jun 15, 2010
cool What is your position on the controversy about whether or not Pastor T.B Joshua of the Synagogue of All Nations might be fake?
A: I followed the whole argument and I noticed that TheNEWS published an extensive interview of Joshua. We kept track of developments, even when I was in London. I knew your magazine interviewed him .I was born in Zaria and grew up in Kaduna. And I left Kaduna in 1964. I went back in December last year. My journey from Abuja to Kaduna, because I was preaching at Abuja, was by road. And the magazine I chose to read wasTheNEWS . In the magazine (I wish you keep that interview and put it on the web), it practically settled the matter of Joshua or T.B Joshua. Certain questions were asked him (and I believe the person who asked him must be a committed Christian). "Tell us when you were born, when you became a Christian." And he said: "I have been a Christian from when I was born." Zero, Zero, Zero! You do not inherit Christianity.

My dad was a soldier but that didn't make me a soldier. I loved the Army. I was reading to finish my A levels and go to the NDA when I got born again. My brother ended in the Army. I just never wanted another life but the Army. But being raised in the Army Barracks, spending 18 years of my life there, did not make me any near being part of the Nigerian Army other than to find the fact that I know their rudiments but I'm not on their books.

I quoted the TheNEWS the following week, here in Lagos, I think the same week, I was preaching for Paul Adefarasin. I quoted TheNEWS as having interviewed him:
"When did you become a Christian? How did you become a Christian?"
He said "I was a Christian from my mother's womb".
"Who is your pastor?" He did not answer that question. So, he has no pastor. He has no root as to when he got born again. His explanation as to the root of the miraculous in his life is mystical, not spiritual as in the Bible.

Therefore, while on one hand I feel that the whole Chris Okotie, Joshua, Oyakhilome drama was unfortunate because I feel two brothers have allowed their fight to come out into the open, and it has been badly managed, yet, on another hand, I think in the process, they helped us to avert a major danger. It is my personal conclusion based on my observation and that Mr. T.B Joshua, in the beginning never claimed to be part of us.

Probably, because he needed credibility, he therefore began to claim to be part of us. There is no proof of his salvation. We don't know his Pastor. You ask me who was my Pastor and I'll tell you who my Pastor was. Every man of God knows. We know the Pastor of Pastor Adeboye; we know the Pastor of Mike Okonkwo; we know the Pastor of Bishop Oyedepo we know the Pastors of all these men. We know where Chris Okotie began. I was in the same show with Chris Okotie. He didn't know. In September 1979, when he just got born again and he was invited by Sunday Show NTA 10 , Tony Ogunlana, he was the producer in those days. He was interviewed for singing songs like ABC and so on. I was interviewed by Richard Ikiebe. He used to write for Sunday Times .

I was interviewed as a young pastor in 1979. I was only 25 years old or something. We were on the same show. So, you can trace the salvation of Chris Okotie. You can trace that of Oyakhilome. He comes from a family of Assemblies of God. The previous general supervisor was a Rev. Oyakhilome. Where is T. B Joshua's local Church? So, we don't know Joshua's pastor, we don't know where he was raised from. He doesn't have a testimony, based on TheNEWS. He has no testimony from where he got born again. He said he was born like that. So, we cannot accept that he is one of us. It is possible. I do not know; I have no proof.

Q: Must he actually have the criteria you have outlined? Can't one be born and be a man of God without going through the way outlined?
A: You can be born again through a personal encounter with God. That's an occasion of one in ten thousand. Joshua could be one of the one in ten thousand, so everything is coincidental. Is salvation one in ten thousand? There is no local church we could connect him to. His being called, then, is one in ten thousand . There is no pastor we could connect him to. So, his call to ministration is also one in ten thousand because we've seen people who suddenly experienced the power of God.
In 1923, Moses Orimolade experienced the power of God - moved in the super natural. Cherubim and Seraphim did not start with white garment; the man experienced the genuine power of God and went out to begin to pray for people. The problem there was the absence of good teaching. There are people who have encountered God. But even then, Moses Orimolade came out of the Church of the Lord, Aladura. So there is a trace. Church of the Lord, Aladura, came out of the Anglican Church.

In 1923, Joseph Ayo Babalola experienced a supernatural encounter with God when he was driving a trailer from Akure to llesa. When he got to a place called Arakeji, he experienced an encounter with God. And that was the place. There and then, he was called into ministry. You must have heard of the Precious Stone Church, the Faith Tabernacle, the Apostolic, the Christ Apostolic. Tell me about any man of God in this life, I've studied the history of revival in this country and I will tell you how he got born again. I don't have a history of T.B Joshua.

Re: Pastor Matthew Ashimolowo Speaks On T.b Joshua by noetic16(m): 1:56pm On Jun 15, 2010
This is laughable. grin

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Re: Pastor Matthew Ashimolowo Speaks On T.b Joshua by maedan(f): 2:00pm On Jun 15, 2010
Wow. He has no "testimony"> that's really deep. Some of the points raised actually make sense. How, when and where was he saved, who was his pastor/ spiritual leader? Even if he was a pagan(and he claims he was born a Christian, so that's out), there must be some background somewhere. In any case one day the truth will out, as they say.
Re: Pastor Matthew Ashimolowo Speaks On T.b Joshua by VALIDATOR: 3:15pm On Jun 15, 2010
We must note that pastor Ashimolowo was only giving his personal opinion.
TBJ doesnt have to do his business the way Ashimolowo does his.

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Re: Pastor Matthew Ashimolowo Speaks On T.b Joshua by Chiddysville(m): 3:21pm On Jun 15, 2010
Pastor, continue wallowing in ignorance. At least you once preached that God can race a stone to worship and do His biddings and all of a sudden, God now has limitations. Hypocrites

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Re: Pastor Matthew Ashimolowo Speaks On T.b Joshua by eddy1977(m): 5:32am On Jun 16, 2010
TB Joshua is just an hinnoncent imposter. he seems to be sincere in his convictions,but his ministry is a farce.
even Jesus was introduced to the world by john the baptist
paul was introduced by anannias and barnabas.

jesus had a genealoy, TB Joshua has none.
Re: Pastor Matthew Ashimolowo Speaks On T.b Joshua by Joagbaje(m): 6:32am On Jun 16, 2010
maedan:

Wow. He has no "testimony"> that's really deep. Some of the points raised actually make sense. How, when and where was he saved, who was his pastor/ spiritual leader? Even if he was a pagan(and he claims he was born a Christian, so that's out), there must be some background somewhere. In any case one day the truth will out, as they say.


I haven't find any reason to believe he is not a man of God yet. I think we should hear TB Joshua testimony of his salvation and not what soft sell magazines claim . This is an article of his I found of his conversion and calling.

I was brought up from a Christian home. My father’s name is Kolawole Balogun. He was a Christian. He was a farmer who was also the secretary to St. Steven’s church in our village. When the white people came to our village, he served as a translator. He was translating English into Yoruba. He was an educated man. He lived with the white people as well as serving as church secretary. I cannot say much about my father because he died when I was a small boy. I know that he loved me a lot. I was his pet. I was the one who suffered most from the effect of his death. Being the last born, anywhere he is going, he would take me along. He would carry me to the church. As a little boy, I would be running inside the church. I would jump from the choir to the catechist’s table.

Some people used to rumour that my father was a Muslim. I don’t know where they got that from. My father was a Christian and I am a Christian. When I was very small, I could recall him taking me to church regularly. As a kid attending primary school, my dad would make me to stay after school with a Catholic priest whose house was at the back of the church. I did all the normal things kids do, like running around and playing football.

When my father died, my mum’s brother who became the father figure to me was a Muslim. That does not make me a Muslim. I was brought up in a Christian home. And right from childhood, I was passionate about the Bible. Right from primary school, I was well versed in Bible knowledge. It was my favourite subject and I excelled in it. As a primary six kid, I read the New Testament twice. In my secondary school days, I finished reading the Bible on the average of two months.

Every two months, I would have read the Bible from Genesis to Revelation. It was the only subject that I believed so much in. It was as if Bible was the only subject that interested me in primary and secondary schools. In exams, I scored 99 percent consistently whereas I performed woefully in other subjects. My excelling in Bible knowledge affected the other subjects where I performed poorly. At school, I was the leader of the Scripture Union.

Even though I was second in primary school, I didn’t find it easy getting admitted into secondary school. As luck would have it, I got late admission into Muslim College. In that Muslim College, we were restricted from carrying the Bible openly. To read the Bible, we would have to hide under the mango tree or backyard and the Muslim community would begin to chase us. We were all 20 in number then. Like the early Christians, we would read the Bible in secrecy because they never allowed us to do it openly. I was the leader of the Christian team in the school, at Ansar-Ud-deen Grammar School, Ikare. And because of the pressure, I couldn’t finish a year in that school. It was obvious I couldn’t fit into this dominantly Muslim setting. So I left the school. I left because my life was in danger. I could sense that since I was doing this thing secretly, one day something could happen to me. To avoid that I had to leave. From Ikare, I came to Lagos.

Based on the hostility and the religious intolerance at Ansar-Ud-Deen Grammar School, I decided to leave Ikare for Lagos. I met some people who used to carry cassava from the village to places like Ibadan and Lagos. I approached them and explained my predicament to them. They would spend four days on the road transporting the cassava to Lagos on the trailer. The trailer would be loaded with stuff like cassava and cocoa while the owners would sleep on top. I decided to join them. I did not tell my parent I was going to Lagos. I stayed inside the vehicle for four days before getting to Ibadan. From Ibadan we landed in Mile 12 in Lagos. They dropped me there and told me: “This is where we can carry you.”

For five days, I was in Mile 12. It was during the rainy season. The job I was doing was washing the feet of people coming out of the muddy market. I would wash feet and be paid little money with which I fed. I was washing feet until one day I heard two women conversing in my native dialect. I interrupted their conversation and asked if they were from Arigidi, my hometown, and they said yes. I told them I was in Lagos to trace my sister whose whereabouts I don’t know. Luckily, I was able to trace my sister to Egbe area of Lagos. After 10 days, I traced her and started to live with her. That is how I started my life. Today, I have an NGO for motor park boys, because I have also been one myself.

I realized my sister had her own family and I should not be burden to her. I do not like inconveniencing people. If I visit your house and you give me a bottle of soft drinks, I would make sure I put something in the envelope, because I believe we make a living by what we give and we make a life by what we receive. This is what I believe in. In life, you don’t just have to collect and collect. It destroys one’s life. You have to give and give. Because the Bible says, you must see giving as an assignment from God.

‘I carried poo to make a living’
I left my sister to live with a friend. From there, I got a job as a poultry farm attendant. The poultry is still there now. Not long ago, I traced the poultry to somewhere in Ikotun. The job they gave me is to carry poo. Fowl poo. And fowl poo smell is more terrible than human faeces. I was doing this job with many Ghanaians. There were so many Ghanaians in Nigeria then. I was the only Nigerian in that poultry farm. And I never let people know I was a Nigerian. I declared myself a Ghanaian too, because nobody would believe a Nigerian would do that kind of job. I did the job for three days and my body odour changed. When I’m moving about, people would perceive odour and flies would be hovering around me because I was smelling very badly. There was no amount of soap I would bath that would remove this odour from my body. As you are working in the poultry farm, the fowl poo would be dropping on your head. I did this for one good year.

At the same time, I enrolled in an evening school. New State High School is the name of the school. I attended many schools in Lagos. I would attend one school for two months, only to be sent away because of school fees. I attended New State High School, Ansar-Ud-Deen Grammar School, Isolo, and another school called Metropolitan. Because I was very good in athletics, I was given what looked like scholarship. I won gold, silver and bronze in athletics. But I needed to work to support myself at school. That was why I took the poultry job. I was using it to pay my school fees. In those days, evening schools were like full, normal schools. You could easily attend evening school to do your WAEC and GCE. We even received better lessons in the evening than in the day school in those days. I was sending myself to school and at the same time teaching children Bible studies.

My athletics took me to Baptist Academy. When I was running they picked me. Under one year, I attended 15 schools here in Lagos. And I did not finish one year. I don’t remember the year, because I cannot keep records. But it’s all in the documentary on my life. I was born 1963. At least, I remember that one.

‘I confronted a mad man at school’
My first attempt at discovering God’s spirit in me was when a mad man came to my school. In those days, I used to be called Small Pastor. One morning a madman came to our school with a cutlass and everybody was running helter-skelter. The teachers all fled and the classroom was empty. I came and saw this mad person. The spirit of God spoke to my heart, not to my ear. I hear the voice of God in my heart and not in my ears. I heard the voice of God telling me: “Go there and collect the cutlass. Just tell the madman to bring the cutlass.” When I was moving towards the madman, everybody was concerned for my safety. They were saying something like: ‘This is boy, he wants to die.’ I just went to the madman and commanded him: “Give me this cutlass, in the name of Jesus.” The madman gave me the cutlass. I collected it and gave it to a teacher. It was from there they started calling me Small Pastor.

From there, they would call me in the assembly and ask me to pray for them. Every time I would pray for them. If they want to play football, I would pray for them. They began to come to me individually for prayers. It was pray for me, pray for me, pray for me all the way. They asked me how I was able to overcome the madman and I told them I was surprised myself to see what happened.

You see, God Almighty is awesome. He can use any medium to express Himself. He can use sand, water, stone, rod, he can use anything. When Moses was asking God, what should he do, God asked him: “What is in your hand?” He said rod. Then God said: “Use it to divide the sea.” Or are you talking about Paul and Silas in the prison yard? They were there and they never said: Hey, in the name of Jesus, in the name of Jesus, in the name of Jesus. They just sang praises to God. The used the medium of sound. Or are you talking of Joshua. He said to his people to just shout Alleluia and the walls of Jericho fell. God uses any medium to express Himself.

The ministry started from St. Stevens Primary School where I collected the cutlass from the madman and where I started leading the Scriptures Union, teaching the Bible and everything. This is where the awareness of God’s presence in me started. It continued. Everything big starts little. If everything big starts big, it calls for concern.

I was in Bahamas with the President of Bahamas, very close to Florida when my mother died. This is the picture. I was with him when they called me. Synagogue had already come into being. I was with him when they said my mother was a bit down, that they brought her from the village. They said my mother wanted to see me and have a word with me. Before I came back home, my mummy was gone. My mummy was late. It was too late for me. That was how I missed my mum.

She was a wonderful mother. The only little problem I had with my mum is that she wanted to see everybody succeed in life. I used to tell my mum: success is a two-sided affair. I have a role to play, God has His own role. It is not all up to God and certainly it’s all not up to me. Success is a kind of partnership between man and God. I cannot define failure, because I don’t believe in failure. There is no failure in my book. All I see is success, directed by the spirit of God. But as human beings, we cannot be perfect. Perfection eludes every human being. God is perfection.

‘I spent 15 months in my mother’s womb’
Back to my early beginnings, I was the last born of the family. When I was born a lot of strange things happened. Seven days after I was born, I was told that I was put on a mat and a big stone nearly crushed me but miraculously I escaped. How did it happen? White people used to come to do borehole in our village. And in our village, it’s all stone under. When they are drilling, they would be hitting stone and stones would be flying out dangerously. Before any drilling, they would publicly announce that everybody must stay at home to avoid the danger of being hit by a flying stone. The stone used to fly because of the nature of the machine they use. It was on the seventh day when they wanted to name me that they put me on the mat and a big stone flew from where they were drilling, pierced the roof where people were celebrating and landed where I was placed. But it missed me, narrowly. The stone is still being kept till now. Nobody has ever heard this story from me.



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Re: Pastor Matthew Ashimolowo Speaks On T.b Joshua by maedan(f): 6:52am On Jun 16, 2010
So what is the essence of this autobiography and what exactly does it show/prove?
Re: Pastor Matthew Ashimolowo Speaks On T.b Joshua by Joagbaje(m): 7:18am On Jun 16, 2010
maedan:


So what is the essence of this autobiography and what exactly does it show/prove?

I was not writing autobiography, I only quoted what he said about his Christian experience , Since they claim he never had any. Ok let me cut some Unneccesary part off.

" I was brought up from a Christian home. My father’s name is Kolawole Balogun. He was a Christian. He was a farmer who was also the secretary to St. Steven’s church in our village. When the white people came to our village, he served as a translator. He was translating English into Yoruba. He was an educated man. He lived with the white people as well as serving as church secretary. I cannot say much about my father because he died when I was a small boy. I know that he loved me a lot. I was his pet. I was the one who suffered most from the effect of his death. Being the last born, anywhere he is going, he would take me along. He would carry me to the church. As a little boy, I would be running inside the church. I would jump from the choir to the catechist’s table.
Some people used to rumour that my father was a Muslim. I don’t know where they got that from. My father was a Christian and I am a Christian. When I was very small, I could recall him taking me to church regularly. As a kid attending primary school, my dad would make me to stay after school with a Catholic priest whose house was at the back of the church. I did all the normal things kids do, like running around and playing football.

When my father died, my mum’s brother who became the father figure to me was a Muslim. That does not make me a Muslim. I was brought up in a Christian home. And right from childhood, I was passionate about the Bible. Right from primary school, I was well versed in Bible knowledge. It was my favourite subject and I excelled in it. As a primary six kid, I read the New Testament twice. In my secondary school days, I finished reading the Bible on the average of two months.

Every two months, I would have read the Bible from Genesis to Revelation. It was the only subject that I believed so much in. It was as if Bible was the only subject that interested me in primary and secondary schools. In exams, I scored 99 percent consistently whereas I performed woefully in other subjects. My excelling in Bible knowledge affected the other subjects where I performed poorly. At school, I was the leader of the Scripture Union.

Even though I was second in primary school, I didn’t find it easy getting admitted into secondary school. As luck would have it, I got late admission into Muslim College. In that Muslim College, we were restricted from carrying the Bible openly. To read the Bible, we would have to hide under the mango tree or backyard and the Muslim community would begin to chase us. We were all 20 in number then. Like the early Christians, we would read the Bible in secrecy because they never allowed us to do it openly. I was the leader of the Christian team in the school, at Ansar-Ud-deen Grammar School, Ikare. And because of the pressure, I couldn’t finish a year in that school. It was obvious I couldn’t fit into this dominantly Muslim setting. So I left the school. I left because my life was in danger. I could sense that since I was doing this thing secretly, one day something could happen to me. To avoid that I had to leave. From Ikare, I came to Lagos.

Based on the hostility and the religious intolerance at Ansar-Ud-Deen Grammar School, I decided to leave Ikare for Lagos.

I confronted a mad man at school’
My first attempt at discovering God’s spirit in me was when a mad man came to my school. In those days, I used to be called Small Pastor. One morning a madman came to our school with a cutlass and everybody was running helter-skelter. The teachers all fled and the classroom was empty. I came and saw this mad person. The spirit of God spoke to my heart, not to my ear. I hear the voice of God in my heart and not in my ears. I heard the voice of God telling me: “Go there and collect the cutlass. Just tell the madman to bring the cutlass.” When I was moving towards the madman, everybody was concerned for my safety. They were saying something like: ‘This is boy, he wants to die.’ I just went to the madman and commanded him: “Give me this cutlass, in the name of Jesus.” The madman gave me the cutlass. I collected it and gave it to a teacher. It was from there they started calling me Small Pastor.

From there, they would call me in the assembly and ask me to pray for them. Every time I would pray for them. If they want to play football, I would pray for them. They began to come to me individually for prayers. It was pray for me, pray for me, pray for me all the way. They asked me how I was able to overcome the madman and I told them I was surprised myself to see what happened.
Re: Pastor Matthew Ashimolowo Speaks On T.b Joshua by nuclearboy(m): 8:01am On Jun 16, 2010
@ Bolded:

Magical-like experiences!

Where is the Salvation experience?

Caveat: I'm not saying he is fake but the story above is not credible as a "Christian" testimony. Demons can be subdued by more powerful demons and satan works miracles to make himself out "an angel of light"

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Re: Pastor Matthew Ashimolowo Speaks On T.b Joshua by maedan(f): 9:05am On Jun 16, 2010
Still looking for the "testimony" in his story. I'm not saying he is fake either, or that he has to follow any one's formula of salvation.
Re: Pastor Matthew Ashimolowo Speaks On T.b Joshua by adedayo79: 11:47am On Jun 16, 2010
I do not attend the synagogue but i am greatly in love with the man and his work.
With my wordly eyes he is a man of God.
Re: Pastor Matthew Ashimolowo Speaks On T.b Joshua by DoubleN(m): 11:53am On Jun 16, 2010
The stone is still being kept till now. Why
Re: Pastor Matthew Ashimolowo Speaks On T.b Joshua by otokx(m): 12:06pm On Jun 16, 2010
Quite revealing.
Re: Pastor Matthew Ashimolowo Speaks On T.b Joshua by zmurda(m): 12:07pm On Jun 16, 2010
Is it the same Ashimolowo accusing some one of fraud,

http://www.elombah.com/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&catid=34:comments&id=620:nigerian-born-pastor-matthew-ashimolowo-has-been-accused-of-serious-misconduct-and-mismanagement&Itemid=57


I don't trust both of them. However, I would choose TB over Mathew anyday. Mathew's turenchi is too much. TB on the other hand predicts matches, which I am very much interested in  grin grin grin grin
Re: Pastor Matthew Ashimolowo Speaks On T.b Joshua by moi2(f): 12:07pm On Jun 16, 2010
@Joeagbaje
I've been following your posts for a while in the religion section and I see your sincerity. While am not for or against your posts I would like to contact you privately cos av also noticed that a lot of people throw insults at each other on nairaland which is quite distracting. If you are interested, let me know and I'll post my email addy. Thank you
Re: Pastor Matthew Ashimolowo Speaks On T.b Joshua by Bukittes(f): 12:09pm On Jun 16, 2010
I understand Pastor Ashimolowo well, he cited some examples which are accurately accurate! Like Moses Orimolade and Babalola's. These are men no one in our generation reckon with but their stories are genuine and I'm impressed with his write up. I am not saying Uncle TBJ is fake or real but every xtian has a transforming experience which you cannot forget in a hurry. I appreciate his giving ministry more than any other thing he does. He is a good example in this aspect but if its not backed up with God's power its just a show. So Pls let him tell us who his Pastor is cos I know who mine is!! and I know who my pastor's own is!!!
Re: Pastor Matthew Ashimolowo Speaks On T.b Joshua by Nobody: 12:13pm On Jun 16, 2010
Joagbaje, i dont see any credibility in the biography u posted. its complete crap full of inconsistencies.

how can a person be in 15 schools in 12 months?
didnt they ask him to pay before he even registered?
there are only three terms in a year, which one was he applying for all through the year?
abeg, make he no feed us trash.

how could his father have been educated before the white man came and even a secretary of a church
a church the white man did not establish?
wasn't it the white man that brought education and religion?
as i read, education came after religion.
missionaries brought religion.
well, except his father was taken away on slavery and then brought back home which is very unlikely.
even if, he couldn't have been a church's secretary.

i'd believe him more if he told us his christian experience in details.
or at least if someone credible from his past can corroborate his story.
as it were now, since he went to about 15 evening school, he has ruled out the question of the set he graduated with.

abeg, all in all, T.B Joshua needs a lot of air-clearing to do.

but really, na only God know wu dey serve am.

i advise we all keep a personal relationship with God first, before seeking d leadership of any spiritual father.

thanx.
Re: Pastor Matthew Ashimolowo Speaks On T.b Joshua by adedayo79: 12:24pm On Jun 16, 2010
The more the critism the more he is making great progress in his ministry.
Why cant PFN members face their respective ministry and keep wininng souls?
Why the undue finger pointing.
But frankly,was REV.King a member of PFN before his travail?
People do not see what they need to see.

He is devil or he is that but as long as T B J keeps doing the very many great jobs he is doing then i would never stop believing in him that he is indeed a man of God.
I rest my case

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Re: Pastor Matthew Ashimolowo Speaks On T.b Joshua by tomv(m): 12:40pm On Jun 16, 2010
The emmergence of TB as a spirtual leader and a pastor remains a mystery to me, i once live around that part of lagos and and his story could be described as the more you look the less you see!, since then till now the story is the same.
Re: Pastor Matthew Ashimolowo Speaks On T.b Joshua by adedayo79: 12:43pm On Jun 16, 2010
Remember a Yoruba saying
A WA MA RIDI NI ISE OLORUN.
You can never understand the working of God.

TBJ carry go .

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Re: Pastor Matthew Ashimolowo Speaks On T.b Joshua by onyengbu1(m): 12:44pm On Jun 16, 2010
I only sense jealousy in all these TB Joshua criticisms.

Back in the '90s when TB Joshua has no swagger or followership, how many of all these funky pastors did care tp trace his roots?

Now that the man has got  followership which is = more money and swagger, they are now on his case like 24/7.

I can only say its jealousy. Period!

Me sef I no trust TB Joshua but I trust him a million times more than ashimolowo, chris okotie and chris oyakhilome.

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Re: Pastor Matthew Ashimolowo Speaks On T.b Joshua by searchcorp(m): 12:53pm On Jun 16, 2010
thanks for posting that auto biography of T.B. Joshua, i so much love that man, when Joseph Ayo Babalola was alife, white men called him fake and didnt believe in his ministry as a matter of fact anytime they interview him, they go like they cant even understand him. but now he is dead and respected., maybe T.B.Joshua would be respected when he is dead.

but for me, i m so loving him, i ll like to be like him someday.

and just incase somebody would wanna talk - i m not even his church member but i am forever a xtian, and never an accuser of the brethren, God warned me not to ever say anything false about any xtian,

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Re: Pastor Matthew Ashimolowo Speaks On T.b Joshua by ud4u: 12:54pm On Jun 16, 2010
The end justifies the means
Re: Pastor Matthew Ashimolowo Speaks On T.b Joshua by adedayo79: 12:55pm On Jun 16, 2010
Inspite of all the critism,his church keep growing.
Inspite of the negative image Nigeria has the world over,i hear of many Americans,Europeans,asians and fellow africans alike throoping to the Synagogue to view where God reigh supreme.
Other man of God should assert these wasted energy used in fighting TBJ on building an even stronger body of christ.

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Re: Pastor Matthew Ashimolowo Speaks On T.b Joshua by Allwell(m): 1:36pm On Jun 16, 2010
I don't want to join issues and i respect Pastor Matthew a lot. But the bible account of John the Baptist said John was filled with the Holy Spirit from his mother's womb. John was also in the wilderness until the days of His showing. He didn't need to have a pharisee training or something. I think Pastor T.B. should be left alone and God's work should move forward.

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Re: Pastor Matthew Ashimolowo Speaks On T.b Joshua by illskillz: 1:48pm On Jun 16, 2010
they shuld all leave that pastor alone God knows who is serving him.
Re: Pastor Matthew Ashimolowo Speaks On T.b Joshua by Reptyle(m): 2:11pm On Jun 16, 2010
onye_ngbu:

I only sense jealousy in all these TB Joshua criticisms.

Back in the '90s when TB Joshua has no swagger or followership, how many of all these funky pastors did care tp trace his roots?

Now that the man has got  followership which is = more money and swagger, they are now on his case like 24/7.

I can only say its jealousy. Period!

Me sef I no trust TB Joshua but I trust him a million times more than ashimolowo, chris okotie and chris oyakhilome.

A great man passed on to the great beyond leaving for his three children a great inheritance. Suddenly, a stranger shows up at their doorstep laying claim to a fraction of the inheritance on the grounds that he is the long lost son of the deceased great man. He bears strong physical looks to the three children, but h speaks a different tongue alien to them.

Do you not think the 3 "original" children would be within their right to question the stranger's ancestry? Its not in my place to question Mr. Joshua's genuineness or the lack of it. But methinks that all that these other gentlemen of the cloak are asking is: From whence cometh thou o' man in the synagogue
Re: Pastor Matthew Ashimolowo Speaks On T.b Joshua by hollafun96: 3:03pm On Jun 16, 2010
i just don't know why some pastors dont focus on their own ministry, why should you complain about a spec in somebody`s eyes when you have in your eyes. may God help us all, we should try not to behave like the pharisees and Sadducee that cannot do without condemning and criticizing.

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Re: Pastor Matthew Ashimolowo Speaks On T.b Joshua by ukotmi: 3:13pm On Jun 16, 2010
Honestly the story makes a lot of sense to me. I know that I am born again but there is no extra ordinary experience like that of Saul of Tarsus. I remember a preacher asking me of my salvation testimony in 1989 or there about.   . I quoted , That God so loved the world that he gave his only begotten son,........... but have eternal life." He took me to the cleaners saying that I do not have a testimony neither saved. embarassed embarassed embarassed embarassed embarassed. Actually I was born and brought up a catholic and from the age of 7 was already aware of hell, heaven, angels etc. I attended catechism from a very young age.
Later at the age of 14 I joined the Charismatic movement in my local church. I didn't get born again within this period but got saved three or four years later.
But I didn't know that the right word for what happened to me is called salvation, saved or born again embarassed embarassed embarassed embarassed embarassed embarassed embarassed embarassed. It was years after while in the university that I understond it to be called born again lipsrsealed lipsrsealed lipsrsealed lipsrsealed. In Catholic Charismatic circles, we used to call it changing of life style(in vernacular). Within me, I know that something significant happened. All my interests,affections, focus changed. I cant point to any one as my pastor or mentor. It is only now I point to the pastor of my local assembly as my pastor.In growing as a christian, apart from the bible, I studied a lot of stuff from Radio Bible Class( Now Resources for Bible Communication or Class). I used their devotional, Daily Bread a lot and still buys if i see one.
At university some of my friends usually talk of reckless lives they lived before been saved but I never lived one.they made it to look like, if you have never lived a rough life, you are not ready for Christianity. But I have my own challenges and weakness to deal with. God helped me.
In essence, God uses several ways to bring us into the kingdom. It must not be the same for everybody. I have never met TBJ but he said he was the leader of SU in his school.How did he become the leader of SU if he wasn't born again or saved  then?

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Re: Pastor Matthew Ashimolowo Speaks On T.b Joshua by Chiddysville(m): 3:16pm On Jun 16, 2010
i noticed most people here have already condemned TBJ before coming here to spew trash. since you all want to know him more, is it not adviceable to  do your own research about his early life or better still buy his book to know the church his parents attended (Anglican and was baptised)? coming out here with no evidence to condemn someone just because we are not opportuned to be in his shoes should be condemned by true christians. Anyway, who am i to blame after all Jesus was also called the prince of darkness for doing good and not for ripping people off. hypocrites

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