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Re: My Thoughts And Questions About Religion by sinequanon: 1:06pm On Jan 03, 2015 |
PastorAIO: Then there is no point in continuing. I hope that also answers your "concerns" about "arguing just for sake of argument". Let us stop here, or we will know who is into arguing for argument sake. 1 Like |
Re: My Thoughts And Questions About Religion by PastorAIO: 1:12pm On Jan 03, 2015 |
joseph1013: All-knowing, I presume. |
Re: My Thoughts And Questions About Religion by joseph1013: 4:08pm On Jan 03, 2015 |
PastorAIO:Typo. Corrected. Thanks. |
Re: My Thoughts And Questions About Religion by joseph1013: 3:45pm On Jan 06, 2015 |
Think About This... 1 Like 2 Shares
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Re: My Thoughts And Questions About Religion by joseph1013: 3:47pm On Jan 06, 2015 |
Question? IS GOD LOVING, MERCIFUL AND JUST? Christians think their god is a loving god who is merciful and just. Most of them are as sure their god is loving as they are that he exists. But what does the Bible say? In Genesis 7:21-23, God drowns the entire population of the earth: men, women, children, babies, and animals. In Exodus 12:29, God slaughters all Egyptian firstborn children and cattle to punish the Pharaoh In 2 Samuel 12:15-18 God kills David's baby to punish David. The Bible has dozens of examples of God committing murder, including mass murder, of unjustly punishing people and of inciting the Hebrews to kill, to take slaves and to rape. It is plain this is not a loving god. It is a vengeful god who places a VERY LOW VALUE on human life. So why are Christians so certain that their god is a loving god? Maybe it's because they WANT him to be loving or because they are told God is loving and they don't bother to read their own scripture? I don't know. Perhaps they will tell us? But, if they are so wrong about this crucial aspect of God's character, what else have they got wrong? |
Re: My Thoughts And Questions About Religion by Nobody: 12:41am On Jan 07, 2015 |
joseph1013: Your being alive is an evidence of His love. If not, people like you could have been wiped out. Out of the hearts abundance the mouth speaks. Your eyes will only see what you consider to be injustice in the bible. Your eyes see nothing more. What a lover of truth! |
Re: My Thoughts And Questions About Religion by joseph1013: 2:43pm On Jan 23, 2015 |
Great Write-up by Bill Flavell DOES THE QUR'AN HAVE THE ACTUAL WORDS OF GOD? Claiming that your holy book contains the very words of God is a two-edged sword. Few Christians make that claim about the Bible—they only say the book was inspired by God but written by fallible men. That, together with the Bible's history, allows many Christians to accept that it contains errors introduced by the men who wrote it and by those who copied it and translated it over the centuries. Muslims take a different view. They say the Qur'an contains the actual words of God as dictated to the prophet Muhammad. This makes the Qur'an unsurpassable and inspires deep reverence that the Bible cannot match. But it brings difficulties of its own. The Bible can be excused almost any number of errors but a single error in the Qur'an would be fatal. If the Qur'an contains the actual words of a perfect God, the words must be perfect. What must we conclude if we find an error in the Qur'an? There is only one possible conclusion—we must conclude that the Qur'an does not contain the actual words of God. And the moment we reach that conclusion, we must also accept that the book is, like men, fallible. This does not help us decide if God exists nor does it help us determine the truth of the claim that Muhammad was a servant of God. But it does leave both of these questions open and it means we need evidence before we can believe either claim. I will not look for such evidence here, although Muslims are welcome to show us what their evidence is. However, there are many verses in the Qur'an that do not look perfect when viewed with a modern understanding of the world. We know the Sun is at the centre of our solar system and the planets revolve around it in elliptical orbits. The Earth is about 93 million miles from the sun, varying by ±1.6 million miles according to time of year and an orbit takes 365.24219 days. What does the Qur'an say about this? 18:86 says, "Until, when he reached the setting place of the sun, he found it setting in a spring of black muddy (or hot) water. And he found near it a people." This is totally wrong. The Qur'an says the sun travels around the Earth and spends it's nights resting in muddy water on Earth. The Qur'an has the orbits wrong and the distance wrong by about 93 million miles! From the Earth we can view a massive jumble of trillions of stars and galaxies which vary in distance from 93 million miles to billions of light-years away. The ancient view of the heavens was that it is a blue dome with stars placed inside it and the dome is supported by invisible pillars. Which view does the Qur'an take; the ancient (and grotesquely wrong) view or the modern view? 13:2 tells us: "Allah is He Who raised the heavens without any pillars that ye can see; is firmly established on the throne (of authority); He has subjected the sun and the moon (to his Law)! Each one runs (its course) for a term appointed." The Qur'an says the heavens are supported by invisible pillars (and again mentions the error that the sun runs a course around us. Or we could look at 41:12: "Then He completed and finished from their creation (as) seven heavens in two Days and He made in each heaven its affair. And We adorned the nearest (lowest) heaven with lamps (stars) to be an adornment as well as to guard (from the devils by using them as missiles against the devils)." The Qur'an tells us the stars and galaxies are lamps in the LOWEST heaven, placed there because they look nice and to protect the Earth against devils. This is ancient-world nonsense that is repeated in the Qur'an. If there is a God who created the universe, it is unthinkable that he could have made such elementary errors. These errors show categorically that no God was involved in the writing of the Qur'an. 2 Likes 1 Share |
Re: My Thoughts And Questions About Religion by joseph1013: 4:18pm On Jan 29, 2015 |
I'm wondering: If God created the Sun on the fourth day, how had four days passed? |
Re: My Thoughts And Questions About Religion by frank317: 5:55pm On Jan 29, 2015 |
JMAN05: Ya right... And the fact that many are dead is an evidence of what? His love too? 1 Like |
Re: My Thoughts And Questions About Religion by joseph1013: 11:29am On Jan 30, 2015 |
Heavenly Father, I thank you for your love towards me. You kept me alive because you love me and you killed 100,000 people everyday because you don't love them. I know you are the one that created me and every living thing. You also created mosquito that kill and continue to kill innocent people. Thank you so much because you know what you are doing. I know you love me so much because you keep telling many people to tell me that you love me but I still don't understand why you can't just walk up to me and say you love me. Are you shy? I just have to say this because if I don't say it despite the assumption that you love me, you will still send me to hell. Thank you and please don't provide daily bread for me today. The children in Somalia needs it more than I do. In Jesus name I pray, Amen. 8 Likes 3 Shares |
Re: My Thoughts And Questions About Religion by Nobody: 2:35pm On Jan 30, 2015 |
frank317: If you take a cigarrette after being warned that you ll die when you do. if you eventually die cos of it, who will you blame? |
Re: My Thoughts And Questions About Religion by Weah96: 4:35pm On Jan 30, 2015 |
JMAN05: Ok, you win the cigarettes business. But what if you're struck by a drunk driver and you don't smoke or drink? 5 Likes 1 Share |
Re: My Thoughts And Questions About Religion by frank317: 6:08pm On Jan 30, 2015 |
JMAN05: Just listen to your self. Do u want to pretend cigarette is the only cause of death u known? Look at what religion is doing to you. BTW how many people die of cigarette smoking? Can you compare to the number of innocent people who have died in motor accident, bokoharam and ISIS insurgency , hunger, robbery attacks and all that. Their deaths are sure a sign of your Gods love, because he allowed them to die and kept u alive today 1 Like |
Re: My Thoughts And Questions About Religion by AllNaijaBlogger(m): 8:03pm On Jan 30, 2015 |
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Re: My Thoughts And Questions About Religion by Nobody: 10:10pm On Jan 30, 2015 |
frank317: Jehovah never wanted things to be this way. If only our first parents listened, we would not have gone through all these. God was so hurt when he observed in Noah's day the bad thoughts issuing from peoples mind, and the wickedness that people did. (Gen 6:5, 6) Jehovah has not changed, He still hates to see people suffer and die. But He is not the cause. But He provided a way out. No matter what we go through today, let us constantly obey His commands. Even if we die, He will raise us up to a new world where ISIS and fracas won't be anymore. Won't you like to be there? |
Re: My Thoughts And Questions About Religion by Nobody: 10:22pm On Jan 30, 2015 |
Weah96: The cigarette business is meant to explain the actions of our first parents, who went against the command given them, led to the bad things we all see today. Jehovah didn't cause it. However, we can live in a world free of these wickedness, but our actions today will determine if we will be among the the New World's inhabitants. If we follow God's command today, we can enjoy a wonderful future tomorrow. |
Re: My Thoughts And Questions About Religion by frank317: 11:52pm On Jan 30, 2015 |
JMAN05: Jehova never wanted things to be this way? So man's disobedience changed your God's unchangeable will? Pls am not a kid... Stop telling me bed time stories. Well all these ones na long story and has nothing in relation with ur earlier statement which was 'your being alive was an evidence of his love, if not people like you would have been wiped out' I was only responding to d bolded statement. I don't know the meaning of all the ranting you are doing above. Pls respond to my question... If its the love of your God that is keeping him alive, what version of his love or hatred that is killing so many innocent people that are dying? 1 Like |
Re: My Thoughts And Questions About Religion by TheIkoro(m): 11:06am On Jan 31, 2015 |
joseph1013: Atheists and agnostics may not live a boring life; but not even they can speak ill of the golden rule of Masculinism, this being: In every nation he that feareth GOD, and worketh righteousness, is accepted with Him. For even the atheist and the agnostic, regardless of how little he knows of an omnipotent Creator, do know enough to have to say: He that doeth good, and worketh righteousness, is accepted by all that is good and righteous - all; including the highest authority in the good, and the highest authority in the righteous. And regardless of whether thou calls that authority thy God,, or thy President, or the Secretary-General of the United Nations, or even thy father. - Ikoro Iyineleda. |
Re: My Thoughts And Questions About Religion by TheIkoro(m): 9:23pm On Feb 01, 2015 |
TheIkoro: To add a few more words to my response to your thread, joseph1013; that which I can deduce from thy "ranting" as thy reaction to a God that does not seem to satisfy thy convictions concerning that which is right, is similar to that which led me to the renunciation of Christianity - years ago. Like you revealed in your "rant," I also was born into that which I believed to be a Christian home. I grew up mostly with friends that had a similar background. However, just as you appear to have questions for GOD; I also had questions for - to use the words with which I still cry out unto my Creator, day and night - "the God of those I see as the followers of Christ." And, again, like you said you could not be angry with GOD; I also could not (and I can not) be angry with the Jesus I know from that which is written; for I know enough of the anguish that was his whilst he was on earth - be it on the cross that has me "despise the shame," and "bear the abuse he endured;" or as he that saith, "Foxes have holes, and birds of the air have nests; but the Son of Man has nowhere to lay his head." However, the blatant hypocrisy in most of all I see today as "Christian" (which has absolutely nothing to do with that which is written, with that which should be said by the Christian) led to quite a number of the questions that eventually had me renounce the religion in search of a God that satisfies my own personal convictions concerning righteousness. And having done that years ago, I know enough of Him today to say unto thee that (even with absolutely no "convincing evidence of the Abrahamaic God" - or of any other being any other person has ever called, "God" if you do the right thing, and you fear the right authority - regardless of thy faith in GOD, or lack of it - you will be accepted by GOD. And that word, "right" (which leads to the righteousness that brings about the golden rule of Masculinism) is the reason I also have to add that, even as an atheist (or an agnostic, or whatsoever other title with which a lack of faith in GOD is labelled) "the right thing" entails giving others the right to be either justified, or condemned, by whatsoever authority they believe in. As an atheist, you still will be justified (or condemned) by the laws of thy land - which should give you the right to practise thy belief (or absence of it) in GOD. Yet, and even then, thou should leave all those that believe in GOD to be either justified or condemned by whatsoever authority it is with which GOD has chosen to reveal Himself to them. Thus (even as I still regard the Christianity of this age as nothing but a religion of CONdemned CONvicts building CONglomerations with all the CON they can CONceive; rather than suffering with him whom they claim to be their God - as they have been told to, should they really would that they be with him) I still say also unto the Christian of this generation, "Do not think that I shall accuse you to The Creator; it is Jesus who accuses you, on whom you set your hope." For, in the same way, that same Jesus sought that the Pharaoh Seers of his own generation (due to whom I say the Sir Do Sees) realise they would eventually be condemned by the very same authority on whom they placed their own hope. And one of the reasons I keep on crying "Woe!" unto the Christian with my word is that I would he see enough of The Ikoro (even as The Christ would of the serpents and the brood of vipers unto whom he saith, "How are you to escape being sentenced to Hell?" I would he see enough to have absolutely none of that excuse, "Behold, we knew it not." In a nutshell, joseph1013; be thou atheist, agnostic, or what-not; give unto the righteousness of Caesar that which is righteousness, and thou then hast seen enough of GOD to be accepted by Him - regardless of whether or not He decides to reveal Himself to thee in the hereafter only. - Ikoro Iyineleda. |
Re: My Thoughts And Questions About Religion by joseph1013: 9:29pm On Feb 01, 2015 |
Thelkoro, I don't quite get your drift. What's the summary in like 5 sentences. |
Re: My Thoughts And Questions About Religion by TheIkoro(m): 8:37am On Feb 02, 2015 |
joseph1013: A word is enough for the wise. - Ikoro Iyineleda. |
Re: My Thoughts And Questions About Religion by PastorAIO: 1:33pm On Feb 02, 2015 |
TheIkoro: ehn, oya, reduce it to a word. |
Re: My Thoughts And Questions About Religion by Nobody: 2:07pm On Feb 02, 2015 |
frank317: God has the power to kill you. inspite of your words, He still alows you to live. That is love. As for your question. This is good for that: The cigarette business is meant to explain the actions of our first parents, who went against the command given them, led God's purpose for the earth is for humans to populate it, and live forever. That hasn't changed. |
Re: My Thoughts And Questions About Religion by frank317: 2:22pm On Feb 02, 2015 |
JMAN05: Oga... If it is God's love keeping me alive... If God's love is not allowing him to kill me despite all my bad words, why is has his love not kept millions of people who die on daily basis? Is there anything stronger than his love that is killing all those who die in motor accident? Pls answer my question. |
Re: My Thoughts And Questions About Religion by Nobody: 2:59pm On Feb 02, 2015 |
frank317: Death, wickedness, accident illness etc we see today are results of what Adam did. This does not mean God does not have the power to strike someone dead. That God allow you to live, even tho he has the power to end your life is in itself a display of love. You still have a chance to change. |
Re: My Thoughts And Questions About Religion by frank317: 3:34pm On Feb 02, 2015 |
JMAN05: Guy... If u continue like his this then I must assume you are still to pass waec. I will ask for the last time If it is God's love that has kept me alive, why didn't this same love not keep those in church when book haram struck, those people in the bus when accidents happen. Why did this love keep me alive and not them? 2 Likes |
Re: My Thoughts And Questions About Religion by joseph1013: 4:34pm On Feb 03, 2015 |
The Amazonians and Kambari of Nigeria and other indigenious tribes still go about nak.ed. Creationist will say that people started wearing cloths after they eat the forbidden apple. Can someone help me ask them if this people that still go about nak.ed did not eat the apple or perhaps God by passed them? 2 Likes |
Re: My Thoughts And Questions About Religion by Nobody: 4:45pm On Feb 03, 2015 |
frank317: And ur low understanding is becoming worry-some. My point is that God ALLOWED u to exist and be speaking what you do. He has the power to kill anyone He likes. since u exist and still talk what you do, without His destroying u. Thats an evidence of love. Those killed by boko haram are victims to the mistake made in Eden. God has when to stop the effects of adamic sin. For now, even the faithful can die, though not struck by God. God cannot be blamed, though He allowed it. however, if u die wen u ar in God's memory, to God, you are still alive. because ur life is assured. ------------------------------------------------------------ What is the genesis of the problem we see today, including insurgency? Answer: It all started from the mistake of our first parents. Does that mean that God cannot kill? Answer: No, He can. He can strike those who speak against His name. Why hasn't He stroke all those who speak against His name? Answer: Love. He wants them to change. 2Pet 3:9, 10 He however, has a date for the destruction of all the ungodly. Can your brain decifer it now? |
Re: My Thoughts And Questions About Religion by joseph1013: 11:48am On Feb 04, 2015 |
God doesn't answer when you call. Any ra.pe or molestation victim knows that. 1 Like |
Re: My Thoughts And Questions About Religion by frank317: 12:56pm On Feb 04, 2015 |
JMAN05: Why will God's love keep me alive and not keep millions who die on daily basis? Is God's love not seeing them? Answer my question and stop gossiping. A lot of people suffering need his love to keep them alive, yet they are dying in millions. Now you are telling me his love is keeping me. I beg am? Is he not seeing people who need it? If his love did not keep my mum or my fiance, then it sure is not keeping me. Tell him to fuuuccckkk off with his love and for onece go give it to people who need it. 1 Like |
Re: My Thoughts And Questions About Religion by Nobody: 2:15pm On Feb 04, 2015 |
frank317: We talk next time. thnks for ur time. |
Re: My Thoughts And Questions About Religion by frank317: 8:17am On Feb 05, 2015 |
JMAN05: Lol... U actually gave nothing to tell. You seriously cannot convince me to start believing in fairy tales. |
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