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Is It Proper to Greet Others or Count Prayer Beads During Khutbah? by Walexz02(m): 10:25pm On Apr 05, 2015
Assalamualakum
Please i intend to ask whether it is good or not to greet pple(shaking hands) while the imam is already recitng Friday huthbad
2. Is it appropriate to b reciting Quran whil jumaat service in in progress??
3. I have seen it times with out number many imams who are supposed to be assumed learnd counting their rosary while the imam is reciting uthba,please is it proper.
Assalamualakum.
Re: Is It Proper to Greet Others or Count Prayer Beads During Khutbah? by Empiree: 4:14am On Apr 06, 2015
Walexz02:
Assalamualakum
Please i intend to ask whether it is good or not to greet pple(shaking hands) while the imam is already recitng Friday huthbad
2. Is it appropriate to b reciting Quran whil jumaat service in in progress??
3. I have seen it times with out number many imams who are supposed to be assumed learnd counting their rosary while the imam is reciting uthba,please is it proper.
Assalamualakum.

The Virtues and Sunnah's of Jummah

Hadhrat Ali Ibn Abu Taalib (RA) narrated: on the pulpit in the mosque of Kufah: When Friday comes, the devils go to the markets with their flags, and involve people in their needsand prevent them from the Friday prayer. The angels come early in the morning, sit at the door of the mosque, and record that so-and-so came at the first hour, and so-and-so came at the second hour until the imam comes out (for preaching). When a man sits in a place where he can listen (to the sermon) and look (at the imam), where he remains silent and does not interrupt, he will receive a double reward. If he stays away, sits in a place where he cannot listen (to the sermon), silent, and does not interrupt, he will receive the reward only once. If he sits in a place where he can listen (to the sermon) and look (at the imam), and he does not remain silent, he will have the burden of it. If anyone says to his companion sitting besides him to be silent (while the imam is preaching), he is guilty of idle talk. Anyone who interrupts (during the sermon) will receive nothing (no reward) on that Friday. Then he (the narrator) says in the end of this tradition: I heard the Apostle of Allah (peace be upon him) say so. (Abu Dawood 1046)

In the narration above, there is nothing to suggest that silently doing dhkr (with tesuba/rosary) is unlawful. What we don't do is talking as speculated above. Shaking hands and or making gesture to fellow Muslim who may greet you, i think it's better to just shake head in acknowledgement. But I rarely see muslims greet while khutba is on. Just come in and take your sit or stand up for the two rakat and remain silent until after jumah is over.

The above hadith is common knowledge. You dont talk during khutba. You do more listening than talking. Period

Hope it helps.

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Re: Is It Proper to Greet Others or Count Prayer Beads During Khutbah? by Empiree: 4:27am On Apr 06, 2015
These are not necessarily part of your request. I just wanted to post them. But read if you can and pay attention to 20 and 21 Thanks

1. Jummah preparations should begin on Thursday such as clipping the nails, removing of the hair etc (Ihya aul-Uloom, vol. 1, page 161)

2. To have a bath (Ghusl) (Bukhari, Tirmidhi, Ibn Majah)

On one Friday, Rasulallah said: "O Muslims! Allah Ta'ala has made this day a day of Eid. So have a bath on this day, whoever has perfume should apply it, and use the Miswaak.“ (Ibn Majah)

3. To use Miswaak (Ibid)

4. To use Attar (Perfume) (Ibid)

5. To wear nice clothes (Abu Dawood, Chapter of Ghusl on the day of Jummah)

6. To proceed early as possible to the Masjid for Jummah

Rasulallah (Pbuh) said: "On the day of Jummah, the angels stand at the entrance of that Masjid in which Jummah salaat is to be offered. They write down the name of the person who enters the Masjid first, and thereafter the name of the person who follows, and they continue doing this. The person who entered first will receive the reward of sacrificing a camel in the path of Allah; the one who followed him will get the reward of sacrificing a cow, thereafter a chicken, thereafter the reward of giving an egg as charity in the path of Allah.
Once the khutbah commences, the angels close the register and begin listening to the khutbah. “
(Bukhari and Muslim)

7. To walk to the Masjid if possible for every step is a reward of a years Nafl Fast (Tirmidhi)

8. One should listen very attentively to the khutba even if one does not understand. One should not speak or even warn another to keep quite while the khutba is in progress.

9. To try to sit as close as possible to the Imaam. (Ibn Majah, Tirmidhi)

10. If the Saffs (rows) are already filled, one should not jump over the shoulders of the musallies in order to get to the front. (Abu Dawood)

11. One should not fiddle with clothes or fingers but listen attentively (Ibn Majah)

12. When Rasulallah (Pbuh) name is mentioned in the khutba then it is permissible to recite durood in the heart only without the movement of the lips or tongue.

13. Between the two khutba’s one should make dua. It is permissible to make dua without raising hands or moving the lips (I.e. dua should be made in the heart only without the movement of the lips or the tongue) (Aadaab -E - Zindagee)

14. To read: Surah Al A’ala (Sura no 87) in the first rakaat of Jummah Salah and Surah Gaathia (Surah no 88) in the second rakaat. (Bukhari)

15. Related by Hakim and Bayhaqi, from Abu Sa`id “Whoever recites Surat al-Kahf on Friday, light shall shine forth for him between the two Fridays.” (Ibn Hajar, Talkhis al- Habir)

16. Rasulallah (Pbuh) is reported to have said, “Recite Durood upon me in abundance on the day of Jummah since they are presented to me.” (Ibn Majah)

17. Making abundant dua on Jummah

Rasulallah (Pbuh) said: "There is such an hour on Friday that if any Muslim makes dua in it, his dua will definitely be accepted.” (Bukhari, Muslim)

18. Reciting Durood 80 times after Asr:

According to a Hadith recorded in Tabarani on the authority of Abdullah Ibn Abbas (RA) : Abu Hurraira (RA) reports that the Holy Prophet (Pbuh) said:
“Whoever recites the following Durood eighty times immediately after Asr Salaat on Friday, before standing up from his place, Allah will forgive eighty years of sins and grant him the reward equivalent to eighty years of worship.”


Allahumma salli alaa muhammadinin nabiyyil ummiyyi wa-ala aalihi wasallim tasleema

O Allah bless Muhammad, the unlettered Prophet, and his family and grant them best of peace. (Jame Sagheer)

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Re: Is It Proper to Greet Others or Count Prayer Beads During Khutbah? by Empiree: 4:44am On Apr 06, 2015
19. Abu Hurraira narrated that the Messenger of Allah (Pbuh) said: The five daily prayers, and from one Jummah to the next, are an expiation for whatever sins come in between, so long as one does not commit any major sin. (Muslim, 233)

20. It was narrated from Abu Hurraira that the Prophet (Pbuh) said: Whoever does Ghusl then comes to Jummah, and prays as much as Allah decrees for him, then listens attentively until the khutbah is over, then prays with him (the imam), will be forgiven for (his sins) between that and the next Jummah and three more days. (Muslim, 857)

Al-Nawawi (Ra) said:

The scholars said that what is meant by his being forgiven between the two Jummah and three more days is that a good deed is worth ten like it, so he will be rewarded with ten rewards for each of the good deeds that he did on Friday. Some of our companions said: What is meant by what is between the two Jummah is from Jummah prayer and the khutbah until the same time on the following Friday, so that it will be seven days, no more and no less, then three days are added making ten in all.


21. Coming early to Jummah brings a great reward.

Abu Hurraira (Ra) narrated that the Messenger of Allah (Pbuh) said: “Whoever does Ghusl on Friday like Ghusl for janaabah, then goes to the prayer (in the first hour, i.e., early), it is as if he sacrificed a camel. Whoever goes in the second hour, it is as if he sacrificed a cow; whoever goes in the third hour, it is as if he sacrificed a horned ram; whoever goes in the fourth hour, it is as if he sacrificed a hen; and whoever goes in the fifth hour it is as if he offered an egg. When the imam comes out, the angels come to listen to the khutbah.”
(Bukhari, 814 and Muslim, 850)


22. If a person walks to Jummah prayer, for every step he will have the reward of fasting and praying qiyaam for one year.

It was narrated from Aws ibn Aws al-Thaqafi that the Messenger of Allah (Pbuh) said: Whoever does Ghusl on Friday and causes (his wife) to do Ghusl, and sets out early, and comes close to the imam and listens and keeps quiet, for every step he takes he will have the reward of fasting and praying qiyaam for one year.” (al-Tirmidhi, 496)

Ibn al-Qayyim (Ra) said in Zaad al-Maâ’aad, 1/285:

Finally after quoting the hadith which speak of the virtues of Jummah prayer:

What we have quoted, when taken all together, indicates that the expiation of sins from one Friday to the next is subject to all the conditions mentioned above being met, namely doing Ghusl, cleaning oneself, putting on perfume, wearing one's best clothes, walking in a calm and dignified manner, not stepping over people, not pushing between two people, not offending others, praying nafil prayers, listening attentively and avoiding idle speech.

May Allah give us the ability to act upon all of these virtuous deeds and Sunnah of Rasulallah (Pbuh). Ameen

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Re: Is It Proper to Greet Others or Count Prayer Beads During Khutbah? by Walexz02(m): 12:24pm On Apr 06, 2015
Thanks for the reply. In your second post idont understand point number 12, please can you expatiate?
Re: Is It Proper to Greet Others or Count Prayer Beads During Khutbah? by Empiree: 9:24pm On Apr 06, 2015
Walexz02:
Thanks for the reply. In your second post idont understand point number 12, please can you expatiate?

Number 12 says:

When Rasulallah (Pbuh) name is mentioned in the khutba then it is permissible to recite durood in the heart only without the movement of the lips or tongue.

This simply means if (when) Imam mentions rosul llah (Anabi Muhammad), usually we say "sallah lahu alaiy wasalam".

In the bone of contention, what is outlined is to say "sallah lahu alaiy wasalam" by heart without saying it out. It is highly recommended to avoid talking during khutba.

God Knows Best

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Re: Is It Proper to Greet Others or Count Prayer Beads During Khutbah? by Walexz02(m): 10:51pm On Apr 06, 2015
Empiree:


The Virtues and Sunnah's of Jummah

Hadhrat Ali Ibn Abu Taalib (RA) narrated: on the pulpit in the mosque of Kufah: When Friday comes, the devils go to the markets with their flags, and involve people in their needsand prevent them from the Friday prayer. The angels come early in the morning, sit at the door of the mosque, and record that so-and-so came at the first hour, and so-and-so came at the second hour until the imam comes out (for preaching). When a man sits in a place where he can listen (to the sermon) and look (at the imam), where he remains silent and does not interrupt, he will receive a double reward. If he stays away, sits in a place where he cannot listen (to the sermon), silent, and does not interrupt, he will receive the reward only once. If he sits in a place where he can listen (to the sermon) and look (at the imam), and he does not remain silent, he will have the burden of it. If anyone says to his companion sitting besides him to be silent (while the imam is preaching), he is guilty of idle talk. Anyone who interrupts (during the sermon) will receive nothing (no reward) on that Friday. Then he (the narrator) says in the end of this tradition: I heard the Apostle of Allah (peace be upon him) say so. (Abu Dawood 1046)

In the narration above, there is nothing to suggest that silently doing dhkr (with tesuba/rosary) is unlawful. What we don't do is talking as speculated above. Shaking hands and or making gesture to fellow Muslim who may greet you, i think it's better to just shake head in acknowledgement. But I rarely see muslims greet while khutba is on. Just come in and take your sit or stand up for the two rakat and remain silent until after jumah is over.

The above hadith is common knowledge. You dont talk during khutba. You do more listening than talking. Period

Hope it helps.
Thank you for your replies, "it is highly recommended to listen to the kuthba attentively..." So as to learn lessons from it. But when on start performing dhikr may be with tesuba, isn't that person dividing his attention? Would that person concentrate on the uthba as suggested? I think it would be preferable to keep mute and jist listen to the uthba.. Allah knows best.

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Re: Is It Proper to Greet Others or Count Prayer Beads During Khutbah? by Empiree: 11:02pm On Apr 06, 2015
Walexz02:

Thank you for your replies, "it is highly recommended to listen to the kuthba attentively..." So as to learn lessons from it. But when on start performing dhikr may be with tesuba, isn't that person dividing his attention? Would that person concentrate on the uthba as suggested? I think it would be preferable to keep mute and jist listen to the uthba.. Allah knows best.
To be honest with you, I personally do not say anything, nor use rosary until after jummah altogether. The reason I said earlier that using tesuba may be ok was because if it meets standard highlighted in #12.

I seldom see muslims use rosary or make dhikr during khutba. Those I have seen count tesuba(beads) without opening their mouth.

Yes, attention is needed 100% during khutba. But that's way better than young guys today who even receive incoming calls on their cellphone. That's gross.

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Re: Is It Proper to Greet Others or Count Prayer Beads During Khutbah? by Walexz02(m): 11:23pm On Apr 06, 2015
Empiree:
To be honest with you, I personally do not say anything, nor use rosary until after jummah altogether. The reason I said earlier that using tesuba may be ok was because if it meet standard highlighted in #12.

I seldom see muslims use rosary or make dhikr during khutba. Those I saw count tesuba without opening their mouth.

Yes, attention is needed 100% during khutba. But that's way better than young guys today who even receive incoming calls on their cellphone. That's gross.
Thanks for the replies, Allah knows best.

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Re: Is It Proper to Greet Others or Count Prayer Beads During Khutbah? by tbaba1234: 11:38am On Apr 10, 2015
During the khutbah, you are expected to listen silently to the Imam. Unfortunately many mosques do not follow this etiquette, and make takbirs during Friday khutbah.

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Re: Is It Proper to Greet Others or Count Prayer Beads During Khutbah? by oyoman(m): 11:48am On Apr 10, 2015
The ideal thing for a muslim is to listen attentively to the sermon with no distraction whatso ever, reading of Quran and other dhikr can be done at a later time
May Allah assist us
amin
barka jumah to all muslims

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Re: Is It Proper to Greet Others or Count Prayer Beads During Khutbah? by Nobody: 12:03pm On Apr 10, 2015
oyoman:
The ideal thing for a muslim is to listen attentively to the sermon with no distraction whatso ever, reading of Quran and other dhikr can be done at a later time
May Allah assist us
amin
barka jumah to all muslims
I live among muslims that doesnt speak my language, this mke me listen to quran on my phone during kuthba. .....or something count the tesbiu to give praise and adoration to Allah. Hope am doing the best in that situation.

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Re: Is It Proper to Greet Others or Count Prayer Beads During Khutbah? by Nobody: 12:03pm On Apr 10, 2015
oyoman:
The ideal thing for a muslim is to listen attentively to the sermon with no distraction whatso ever, reading of Quran and other dhikr can be done at a later time
May Allah assist us
amin
barka jumah to all muslims
I live among muslims that doesnt speak my language, this mke me listen to quran on my phone during kuthba. .....or sometimes count the tesbiu to give praise and adoration to Allah. Hope am doing the best in that situation.

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Re: Is It Proper to Greet Others or Count Prayer Beads During Khutbah? by Isiterere(m): 12:19pm On Apr 10, 2015
Walexz02:

Thank you for your replies, "it is highly recommended to listen to the kuthba attentively..." So as to learn lessons from it. But when on start performing dhikr may be with tesuba, isn't that person dividing his attention? Would that person concentrate on the uthba as suggested? I think it would be preferable to keep mute and jist listen to the uthba.. Allah knows best.
Thanks for the summary....


ALL IZZ WELL
Re: Is It Proper to Greet Others or Count Prayer Beads During Khutbah? by dragnet: 12:30pm On Apr 10, 2015
...in addition, counting prayer beads isn't part of islam.

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Re: Is It Proper to Greet Others or Count Prayer Beads During Khutbah? by TopHand: 12:54pm On Apr 10, 2015
The Book Of Salat (The Prayer)
Speaking While The Imãm Delivers The Khutbah
Number 1112.
Abu Hurairah narrated that the Messenger of Allah SAW said: "If you say: 'Be quiet,' while the Imam is delivering the Khutbah, you have committed Lagha (spoken in vain)." (Sahih)
Sunan Abu Dãwud Vol 1
THE BOOK OF AL JUMU'AH (FRIDAY)
Number 934.
Narrated Abu Hurairah: Allah's Messenger SAW; said, "When the Imam is delivering the Khutba (religious talk), and you ask your companion to keep quiet and listen, then no doubt you have done a Lagliw (an evil act)
Sahih Al-Bukhari Vol 2

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Re: Is It Proper to Greet Others or Count Prayer Beads During Khutbah? by kalybaly: 12:55pm On Apr 10, 2015
There is no big deal in both. When counting prayer beads.. You probably doing zikr or glorifying Allah or asking for forgiveness which probably even soften your heart the more to digest the message. And even if u shake hands... How long does that take? Doesn't and shouldn't stop you from listening get to the sermon. You dont have to be so rigid about Islam and that's the problem nowadays especially for us that live in secular countries. Tend to your heart and establish your faith with the fear of Allah and other things would fall in line naturally. Salaam aleikum.

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Re: Is It Proper to Greet Others or Count Prayer Beads During Khutbah? by blacktoy(m): 1:04pm On Apr 10, 2015
Is complete not good, even it may the affect the acceptance of ur jumuah, bcuz prophet said when khutbah is going no one should nt talk or telling some one to stop talking . May almighty Allah help and guide us
Re: Is It Proper to Greet Others or Count Prayer Beads During Khutbah? by umarc19: 1:20pm On Apr 10, 2015
May Almighty Allah reward the one asking and those that contributed.

YA ALLAH grant us Kindness and Iman, YA KARIM give us Patience and Love, YA RAHIM save us from Jahannam and reward us with Jannatul Firdaus, Amen.

Juma'a Mubarakat.

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Re: Is It Proper to Greet Others or Count Prayer Beads During Khutbah? by toltee4real: 2:25pm On Apr 10, 2015
May Allah reward you accordingly.......aameen
Re: Is It Proper to Greet Others or Count Prayer Beads During Khutbah? by baysmith(m): 3:27pm On Apr 10, 2015
I prefer to listen to sermon...i dont usually give in to distractions as i always give my all to d sermon. i think its wrong to do anyoda find during khutbah. May Allah accept our efforts as ibadah. Amin!
Re: Is It Proper to Greet Others or Count Prayer Beads During Khutbah? by Walexz02(m): 3:27pm On Apr 10, 2015
dragnet:
...in addition, counting prayer beads isn't part of islam.
Do you mean it is a sin
Re: Is It Proper to Greet Others or Count Prayer Beads During Khutbah? by yusufbida(m): 3:29pm On Apr 10, 2015
EMPIREE MAY ALLAH INCREASE U IN ILLIM.[quote author=Empiree post=32393531]

The Virtues and Sunnah's of Jummah

Hadhrat Ali Ibn Abu Taalib (RA) narrated: on the pulpit in the mosque of Kufah: [color=#006600]When Friday comes, the devils go to the markets with their flags, and involve people in their needsand prevent them from the Friday prayer. The angels come early in the morning, sit at the door of the mosque, and record that so-and-so came at the first hour, and so-and-so came at the second hour until the imam comes out (for preaching). When a man sits in a place where he can listen (to the sermon) and look (at the imam), where he remains silent and does not interrupt, he will receive a double reward. If he stays away, sits in a place where he cannot listen (to the sermon), silent, and does not interrupt, he will receive the reward only once. If he sits in a place where he can listen (to the sermon) and look (at the imam), and he does not remain silent, he will have the burden of it.

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Re: Is It Proper to Greet Others or Count Prayer Beads During Khutbah? by Walexz02(m): 3:29pm On Apr 10, 2015
Jumaat kareem
Re: Is It Proper to Greet Others or Count Prayer Beads During Khutbah? by rhames(m): 5:41pm On Apr 10, 2015
What is the Holy Durood?
Re: Is It Proper to Greet Others or Count Prayer Beads During Khutbah? by maclatunji: 5:54pm On Apr 10, 2015
kalybaly:
There is no big deal in both. When counting prayer beads.. You probably doing zikr or glorifying Allah or asking for forgiveness which probably even soften your heart the more to digest the message. And even if u shake hands... How long does that take? Doesn't and shouldn't stop you from listening get to the sermon. You dont have to be so rigid about Islam and that's the problem nowadays especially for us that live in secular countries. Tend to your heart and establish your faith with the fear of Allah and other things would fall in line naturally. Salaam aleikum.

Islam is not defined by what you "feel like" which is what you're posting. You should post what is factual with proper referencing if you are claiming knowledge.

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Re: Is It Proper to Greet Others or Count Prayer Beads During Khutbah? by decisive(m): 6:47pm On Apr 10, 2015
Salamu alaykum,
None of what you cited is allowed. Lots of my brothers have talked and talked adequately well. I just want to highlight one or two points on when khutbah has started.
1) It is good that nothing block your vision of the imam
2) You should continue to look at the face of imam. Meaning,you be in tune with what imam is saying.
3) The aim of the khutbah is to help prepare you to perform your duties to Allah for the week,hence you MUST be attentive to get jumat blessing
So,no other activity is allowed apart from sitting down,look directly onto imam's eyes and listen attentively. It is satanic's way(sorry to say that) to do ANYTHING outside the points above. Some people don't know,some people intentionally do it. There are some prayers that some won't start until imam starts khutbah and they end when imam starts to pray. That is satanic way.
Wastagfiruliy walakum.

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Re: Is It Proper to Greet Others or Count Prayer Beads During Khutbah? by Empiree: 8:24pm On Apr 10, 2015
Walexz02:

Do you mean it is a sin
No. it's just "mechanical aid".
Re: Is It Proper to Greet Others or Count Prayer Beads During Khutbah? by Empiree: 8:25pm On Apr 10, 2015
rhames:
What is the Holy Durood?
salawaat (to send Allah's blessings and peace upon the prophets)

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