malvisguy212:
read the discussions again.

Was Abraham's father a pagan or not?

EzioAuditore:


Answer mine, and I promise I will answer yours. Don't give me an excuse.

what kind of trick is this? I ask you a question first and you reply it with a question challenging me to answer before you could give me a reply?

Rilwayne001:


Was Abraham's father a pagan or not?

read the discussions and then continue from where we stop.

malvisguy212:
what kind of trick is this? I ask you a question first and you reply it with a question challenging me to answer before you could give me a reply?

Malvis! You have the smoking gun in your hands, don't give me an excuse to prevent you from using it. Just answer my friggin question, who translated Surah 19:71 in your post. Simple!

malvisguy212:
read the discussions and then continue from where we stop.

I don't have time to read anything.

All I know is Abraham's father was a pagan.

There were paganists from the lineage through which jesus allegedly came from i.e. some of his grand fathers were paganists.

Rilwayne001:


I don't have time to read anything.

All I know is Abraham's father was a pagan.

There were paganists from the lineage through which jesus allegedly came from i.e. some of his grand fathers were paganists.

if you read my post you will come to the post I say " Abraham father worship other God" caused he was afraid of the wickedness of the people this is from a Jewish book. Abraham destroyed the shrines and converted terah to worship his God.
And I went further to quote from the book of genesis where Jacob seek for justice for the God of his ancestor( his forefathers) so based on the information we got from Joshua terah was a pagan and based on the information we got from Jacob terah repented.

EzioAuditore:


Malvis! You have the smoking gun in your hands, don't give me an excuse to prevent you from using it. Just answer my friggin question, who translated Surah 19:71 in your post. Simple!

see, I will not reply you anymore,my post is there, if I refused to tell you, you should be able to qoute it for me. So your tactics is lame very lame indeed. Bye

malvisguy212:
if you read my post you will come to the post I say " Abraham father worship other God" caused he was afraid of the wickedness of the people this is from a Jewish book.

Which jewish book

Abraham destroyed the shrines and converted terah to worship his God.

Where

And I went further to quote from the book of genesis where Jacob seek for justice for the God of his ancestor( his forefathers) so based on the information we got from Joshua terah was a pagan and based on the information we got from Jacob terah repented.

Please provide your reference for where jacob said terah repented.

Rilwayne001:


Which jewish book



Where



Please provide your reference for where jacob said terah repented.

this is the reason I say, you should follow the discussions, all what yoy ask, I provide it.

malvisguy212:
see, I will not reply you anymore,my post is there, if I refused to tell you, you should be able to qoute it for me. So your tactics is lame very lame indeed. Bye

Lmao! You have got to admit, this is funny. But deep down you know what you did don't you?

EzioAuditore:


Lmao! You have got to admit, this is funny. But deep down you know what you did don't you?

tell me what I don't know!!!

malvisguy212:
tell me what I don't know!!!

What?

EzioAuditore:


What?

EzioAuditore:

Lmao! You have got to admit, this is funny. But deep down you know what you did don't you?

EzioAuditore:


What?

tell me what I don't know!!!

malvisguy212:
tell me what I don't know!!!

Just answer my first question dweeb.

Empiree:
malvisguy, you see your life?

It is muslims that are worshiping allahh, the god of Mutaleb, Abdullai and Muhammad, which they lied to you that he is true God. That is why none of you could refute it here:

https://www.nairaland.com/2279859/true-story-abrahams-journey-mecca

truthman2012:


It is muslims that are worshiping allahh, the god of Mutaleb, Abdullai and Muhammad, which they lied to you that he is true God. That is why none of you could refute it here:

https://www.nairaland.com/2279859/true-story-abrahams-journey-mecca

Still trying to get traffic to your immature post? Open something more advanced, we will come there.

Abuamam:


Still trying to get traffic to your immature post? Open something more advanced, we will come there.

Yes, I want to get as many innocent muslims as possible to read it and discover the falsehood of islam.

allahh lied to you that it was Abraham who built Kaaba and that is why you face it when praying. Now that you have discovered it was built by idol worshipers to house their 360 idols, still facing it is a deliberate worship of pagan gods.

Besides, it was because muslims were erroneously made to believe that Abraham was the builder of Kaaba that gives it legitimacy and the colouration of Godliness. But now that Abraham is out of it, what is left?

I want it registered in your conscience that anytime you face Kaaba you are worshiping a Meccan idol. That same idol was worshiped by Mutaleb, who named his son after allahh, i. e. Abdullai, Muhammad's father. Abdullai means servant of allahh because Mutaleb was serving allahh. Was he a muslim? No. Then it shows his allahh is a pagan god, which you are worshiping too.

allahh was the god (idol) in Muhammad's family, which satanic Gabriel endorsed as the true God. Muhammad was already worshiping allahh as a pagan prior to Gabriel's endorsement. Now you are following Muhammad to worship his father's idol, calling it the true God. Is there any sense in that? No. When did Mutaleb's god (idol) become the true God? It is still not late for you to accept Jesus if you don't want to roast in hell.

Muhammad said he went to heaven (how true?), he could not find any of the muslims who fought and died for allahh there. It was the bible prophets who muslims alleged they observed the 'corrupt' Scripture he found there. Where were those who died as muslims?

In allahh's heaven, which the quran said is full of Houris (virgins), he (Muhammad) did not say he saw any of them there. Islam is full of lies. One would think he should have seen the martyrs enjoying the virgins as promised but lo and behold, it is all a lie. May God deliver you from islamic deception.

EzioAuditore:


Just answer my first question dweeb.

is there any different between pikhtal,yusu Ali, sale ,asad, dawood and sahih international translations? Did they contradicts each other?

truthman2012:


Yes, I want to get as many innocent muslims as possible to read it and discover the falsehood of islam.

allahh lied to you that it was Abraham who built Kaaba and that is why you face it when praying. Now that you have discovered it was built by idol worshipers to house their 360 idols, still facing it is a deliberate worship of pagan gods.

Besides, it was because muslims were erroneously made to believe that Abraham was the builder of Kaaba that gives it legitimacy and the colouration of Godliness. But now that Abraham is out of it, what is left?

I want it registered in your conscience that anytime you face Kaaba you are worshiping a Meccan idol. That same idol was worshiped by Mutaleb, who named his son after allahh, i. e. Abdullai, Muhammad's father. Abdullai means servant of allahh because Mutaleb was serving allahh. Was he a muslim? No. Then it shows his allahh is a pagan god, which you are worshiping too.

allahh was the god (idol) in Muhammad's family, which satanic Gabriel endorsed as the true God. Muhammad was already worshiping allahh as a pagan prior to Gabriel's endorsement. Now you are following Muhammad to worship his father's idol, calling it the true God. Is there any sense in that? No. When did Mutaleb's god (idol) become the true God? It is still not late for you to accept Jesus if you don't want to roast in hell.

Muhammad said he went to heaven (how true?), he could not find any of the muslims who fought and died for allahh there. It was the bible prophets who muslims alleged they observed the 'corrupt' Scripture he found there. Where were those who died as muslims?

In allahh's heaven, which the quran said is full of Houris (virgins), he (Muhammad) did not say he saw any of them there. Islam is full of lies. One would think he should have seen the martyrs enjoying the virgins as promised but lo and behold, it is all a lie. May God deliver you from islamic deception.

Give me one similarity between Allah and a pagan god.


Meanwhile,

Jesus compared to HORUS the Egyptian one eyed sun god

1.Both were conceived of a virgin.
2.Both were the "only begotten son" of a god (either Osiris or Yahweh)
3.Horus's mother was Meri, Jesus's mother was Mary.
4.Horus's foster father was called Jo-Seph, and Jesus's foster father was Joseph.
5.Both foster fathers were of royal descent.
6.Both were born in a cave (although sometimes Jesus is said to have been born in a stable).
7.Both had their coming announced to their mother by an angel.
Horus; birth was heralded by the star Sirius (the morning star). Jesus had his birth heralded by a star in the East (the sun rises in the East).
8.Ancient Egyptians celebrated the birth of Horus on December 21 (the Winter Solstice). Modern Christians celebrate the birth of Jesus on December 25.
9.Both births were announced by angels (this si nto the same as number 7).
10.Both had shepherds witnessing the birth.
11.Horus was visited at birth by "three solar deities" and Jesus was visited by "three wise men".
12.After the birth of Horus, Herut tried to have Horus murdered. After the birth of Jesus, Herod tried to have Jesus murdered.
13.To hide from Herut, the god That tells Isis, "Come, thou goddess Isis, hide thyself with thy child." To hide from Herod, an angel tells Joseph to "arise and take the young child and his mother and flee into Egypt."
14.When Horus came of age, he had a special ritual where hsi eye was restored. When Jesus (and other Jews) come of age, they have a special ritual called a Bar Mitzvah.
15.Both Horus and Jesus were 12 at this coming-of-age ritual.
Neither have any official recorded life histories between the ages of 12 and 30.
16.Horus was baptized in the river Eridanus. Jesus was baptized in the river Jordan.
17.Both were baptized at age 30.
18.Horus was baptized by Anup the Baptizer. Jesus was baptized by John the Baptist.
19.Both Anup and John were later beheaded.
20.Horus was taken from the desert of Amenta up a high mountain to be tempted by his arch-rival Set. Jesus was taken from the desert in Palestine up a high mountain to be tempted by his arch-rival Satan.
21.Both Horus and Jesus successfully resist this temptation.
22.Both have 12 disciples.
23.Both walked on water, cast out demons, healed the sick, and restored sight to the blind.
24.Horus "stilled the sea by his power." Jesus commanded the sea to be still by saying, "Peace, be still."
25.Horus raised his dead father (Osiris) from the grave. Jesus raised Lazarus from the grave. (Note the similarity in names when you say them out loud. Further, Osiris was also known as Asar, which is El-Asar in Hebrew, which is El-Asarus in Latin.)
26.Osiris was raised in the town of Anu. Lazarus was raised in Bethanu (literally, "house of Anu".
27.Both gods delivered a Sermon on the Mount.
28.Both were crucified.
29.Both were crucified next to two thieves.
30.Both were buried in a tomb.
31.Horus was sent to Hell and resurrected in 3 days. Jesus was sent to Hell and came back "three days" later (although Friday night to Sunday morning is hardly three days).
32.Both had their resurrection announced by women.
33.Both are supposed to return for a 1000-year reign.
34.Horus is known as KRST, the anointed one. Jesus was known as the Christ (which means "anointed one".
35.Both Jesus and Horus have been called the good shepherd, the lamb of God, the bread of life, the son of man, the Word, the fisher, and the winnower.
36.Both are associated with the zodiac sign of Pisces (the fish).
37.Both are associated with the symbols of the fish, the beetle, the vine, and the shepherd's crook.
38.Horus was born in Anu ("the place of bread" and Jesus was born in Bethlehem ("the house of bread".
39."The infant Horus was carried out of Egypt to escape the wrath of Typhon. The infant Jesus was carried into Egypt to escape the wrath of Herod. Concerning the infant Jesus, the New Testament states the following prophecy: 'Out of Egypt have I called my son.'"
40.Both were transfigured on the mount.
41.The catacombs of Rome have pictures of the infant Horus being held by his mother, not unlike the modern-day images of "Madonna and Child."
Noted English author C. W. King says that both Isis and Mary are called "Immaculate".
42.Horus says: "Osiris, I am your son, come to glorify your soul, and to give you even more power." And Jesus says: "Now is the Son of Man glorified and God is glorified in him. If God is glorified in him, God will glorify the Son in himself, and will glorify him at once."
Horus was identified with the Tau (cross).


Yet you go to church on SUNday, most pictures of jesus comes with a SUN, that's because you're actually worshipping a ONE EYED SUN god!



Narrated Ibn Umar: "Once Allah's Apostle stood amongst the people, glorified and praised Allah as He deserved and then mentioned the Dajjal (anti-Christ) saying, "l warn you against him (i.e. the Dajjal) and there was no prophet but warned his nation against him. No doubt, Noah warned his nation against him but I tell you about him something of which no prophet told his nation before me. You should know that he is one-eyed, and Allah is not one-eyed." (Translation of Sahih Bukhari, Volume 4, Book 55, Number 553)"

malvisguy212:
is there any different between pikhtal,yusu Ali, sale ,asad, dawood and sahih international translations? Did they contradicts each other?

Just answer my frighin question! Was it one of those?

EzioAuditore:


Just answer my frighin question! Was it one of those?

continue to be comfortable with lies.

malvisguy212:
continue to be comfortable with lies.

Why can't you answer my one simple question? Lol! Please, you know what you did, I suggest you go and build a different case.

Two things. Muhammad only found Jewish prophets in his ascension to heaven. They did not even know him asking Jibril who Muhammad was.
Neither did he find any Muslim with the first martyr having died 7 years before his ascent.

Muhammad also commanded all Muslims to love him more than anyone else. We find a hadith where someone stabbed his wife for making comments about Muhammad's fairy tales. Muhammad was pleased with that action.

A blind man had a freed concubine (Umm
walad) who used to insult the Prophet (peace
and blessings of Allah be upon him) and say bad
things about him. He told her not to do that but
she did not stop, and he rebuked her but she did
not heed him. One night, when she started to
say bad things about the Prophet (peace and
blessings of Allah be upon him) and insult him,
he took a short sword or dagger, put it on her
belly and pressed it and killed her. A child fell
between her legs, and became covered by blood.
The following morning that was mentioned to the
Messenger of Allah (peace and blessings of
Allah be upon him). He called the people
together and said, “I ask by Allah the man who
has done this action and I order him by my right
over him that he should stand up.” The blind
man stood up and said, “O Messenger of Allah, I
am the one who did it; she used to insult you
and say bad things about you. I forbade her, but
she did not stop, and I rebuked her, but she did
not give up her habit. I have two sons like pearls
from her, and she was kind to me. Last night
she began to insult you and say bad things about
you. So I took a dagger, put it on her belly and
pressed it till I killed her.” Thereupon the
Prophet (peace and blessings of Allah be upon
him) said: “Bear witness, there is no blood
money due for her.

All muslim s have been told by their imams to love Muhammad more than their lives . In any thread you can clearly see how they defend him mostly lying and finally using threats.

EzioAuditore:



Give me one similarity between Allah and a pagan god.


Meanwhile,

Jesus compared to HORUS the Egyptian one eyed sun god

1.Both were conceived of a virgin.
2.Both were the "only begotten son" of a god (either Osiris or Yahweh)
3.Horus's mother was Meri, Jesus's mother was Mary.
4.Horus's foster father was called Jo-Seph, and Jesus's foster father was Joseph.
5.Both foster fathers were of royal descent.
6.Both were born in a cave (although sometimes Jesus is said to have been born in a stable).
7.Both had their coming announced to their mother by an angel.
Horus; birth was heralded by the star Sirius (the morning star). Jesus had his birth heralded by a star in the East (the sun rises in the East).
8.Ancient Egyptians celebrated the birth of Horus on December 21 (the Winter Solstice). Modern Christians celebrate the birth of Jesus on December 25.
9.Both births were announced by angels (this si nto the same as number 7).
10.Both had shepherds witnessing the birth.
11.Horus was visited at birth by "three solar deities" and Jesus was visited by "three wise men".
12.After the birth of Horus, Herut tried to have Horus murdered. After the birth of Jesus, Herod tried to have Jesus murdered.
13.To hide from Herut, the god That tells Isis, "Come, thou goddess Isis, hide thyself with thy child." To hide from Herod, an angel tells Joseph to "arise and take the young child and his mother and flee into Egypt."
14.When Horus came of age, he had a special ritual where hsi eye was restored. When Jesus (and other Jews) come of age, they have a special ritual called a Bar Mitzvah.
15.Both Horus and Jesus were 12 at this coming-of-age ritual.
Neither have any official recorded life histories between the ages of 12 and 30.
16.Horus was baptized in the river Eridanus. Jesus was baptized in the river Jordan.
17.Both were baptized at age 30.
18.Horus was baptized by Anup the Baptizer. Jesus was baptized by John the Baptist.
19.Both Anup and John were later beheaded.
20.Horus was taken from the desert of Amenta up a high mountain to be tempted by his arch-rival Set. Jesus was taken from the desert in Palestine up a high mountain to be tempted by his arch-rival Satan.
21.Both Horus and Jesus successfully resist this temptation.
22.Both have 12 disciples.
23.Both walked on water, cast out demons, healed the sick, and restored sight to the blind.
24.Horus "stilled the sea by his power." Jesus commanded the sea to be still by saying, "Peace, be still."
25.Horus raised his dead father (Osiris) from the grave. Jesus raised Lazarus from the grave. (Note the similarity in names when you say them out loud. Further, Osiris was also known as Asar, which is El-Asar in Hebrew, which is El-Asarus in Latin.)
26.Osiris was raised in the town of Anu. Lazarus was raised in Bethanu (literally, "house of Anu".
27.Both gods delivered a Sermon on the Mount.
28.Both were crucified.
29.Both were crucified next to two thieves.
30.Both were buried in a tomb.
31.Horus was sent to Hell and resurrected in 3 days. Jesus was sent to Hell and came back "three days" later (although Friday night to Sunday morning is hardly three days).
32.Both had their resurrection announced by women.
33.Both are supposed to return for a 1000-year reign.
34.Horus is known as KRST, the anointed one. Jesus was known as the Christ (which means "anointed one".
35.Both Jesus and Horus have been called the good shepherd, the lamb of God, the bread of life, the son of man, the Word, the fisher, and the winnower.
36.Both are associated with the zodiac sign of Pisces (the fish).
37.Both are associated with the symbols of the fish, the beetle, the vine, and the shepherd's crook.
38.Horus was born in Anu ("the place of bread" and Jesus was born in Bethlehem ("the house of bread".
39."The infant Horus was carried out of Egypt to escape the wrath of Typhon. The infant Jesus was carried into Egypt to escape the wrath of Herod. Concerning the infant Jesus, the New Testament states the following prophecy: 'Out of Egypt have I called my son.'"
40.Both were transfigured on the mount.
41.The catacombs of Rome have pictures of the infant Horus being held by his mother, not unlike the modern-day images of "Madonna and Child."
Noted English author C. W. King says that both Isis and Mary are called "Immaculate".
42.Horus says: "Osiris, I am your son, come to glorify your soul, and to give you even more power." And Jesus says: "Now is the Son of Man glorified and God is glorified in him. If God is glorified in him, God will glorify the Son in himself, and will glorify him at once."
Horus was identified with the Tau (cross).


Yet you go to church on SUNday, most pictures of jesus comes with a SUN, that's because you're actually worshipping a ONE EYED SUN god!



Narrated Ibn Umar: "Once Allah's Apostle stood amongst the people, glorified and praised Allah as He deserved and then mentioned the Dajjal (anti-Christ) saying, "l warn you against him (i.e. the Dajjal) and there was no prophet but warned his nation against him. No doubt, Noah warned his nation against him but I tell you about him something of which no prophet told his nation before me. You should know that he is one-eyed, and Allah is not one-eyed." (Translation of Sahih Bukhari, Volume 4, Book 55, Number 553)"

are you sure you are a muslim? Normally it is the atheists who always bring this issue, but this is the first time a muslim is bringing this, both the quran and bible talk about the virgin birth ,Mary as the mother of Jesus and Joseph here husband everything you wrote here is in both the bible and quran, December 25 was not in the bible. I visit one of you thread about adam 90 fit tall and I see how the atheists are throwing insults at your s'tupidity, I am beginning to believe in there insults. Sorry

malvisguy212:
are you sure you are a muslim? Normally it is the atheists who always bring this issue, but this is the first time a muslim is bringing this, both the quran and bible talk about the virgin birth ,Mary as the mother of Jesus and Joseph here husband everything you wrote here is in both the bible and quran, December 25 was not in the bible. I visit one of you thread about adam 90 fit tall and I see how the atheists are throwing insults at your s'tupidity, I am beginning to believe in there insults. Sorry

Lol! I have my explanation, what's yours? Besides, didn't you see the Hadith I quoted below? As for the atheists, well Nigerian atheists are the dumbest friggin atheists in the world. They follow a trend but yet the friggin dweebs don't know how it works, they are just programmed to criticize and the twits don't know that atheism doesn't work that way. But like I said, you too will surely become an atheist. Anyways, answer my question.

truthman2012:


War against enemy nations of Israel as they were surrounded by nations who wanted to eradicate their race.

Since you are looking for war, this forum is not meant for you, go and join ISIL.

Very dumb post.

EzioAuditore. THE PAGAN SOURCES OF ISLAM GENERAL As Muhammad developed Islam he borrowed from the other regional religions present in the Mideast. These religions include Judaism, Christianity, Sabeanism, Zoroastrianism, and forms of paganism. Judaism is the largest contributor to Islam, followed by Christianity, then followed by the various pagan religions, and Muhammad’s mind. These pagan borrowings constitute significant facets of Islam and this article details some of these pagan contributions. 1) PAGANISM IN ISLAM Islamic theology has some of its roots in various pagan beliefs. Primary to Islam is it's most holiest shrine: the Kaba. THE KABA The Kaba is now the most revered sanctuary of Islam. It is located in Mecca. Muslims throughout the world direct their prayers toward the Kaba. PHYSICAL SHAPE The Kaba's shape is somewhat cubical. Of note in the Kaba's structure is a black rock built into the wall in its eastern corner. The black rock's diameter is about 12 inches. It is reddish black in color, and has red and yellow particles. The black rock is kissed during the perambulation, (the circulation of the Muslims around the Kaba). The Kaba is about 50 feet high, and the walls are about 40 feet long. The facade contains the door, which starts at 7 feet off the ground, and faces N.E.. To enter the Kaba, a ladder must be used. Also built in the eastern corner, is another stone called "lucky". This stone is only touched, not kissed. KNOWN PAGAN HISTORY Apart from Muslim myths, little is really known about the history of the Kaba. About 60 years before Christ, the Roman historian Diodorus Siculus commented that there was in Arabia a temple greatly revered by the Arabs. It is probable that he had the Kaba in mind. It was later mentioned to have existed in the 2nd century; Ptolemy, the geographer mentions it in his work, calling it the 'macoraba'. The Kaba was a sanctuary dedicated to one or more pagan deities. The accounts of the campaigns of Abraha note that it was a place of pagan worship in the 6th century. Information on the distribution of the offices among the sons of Kusayy show that the worship of the sanctuary had developed into a regulated cult several generations before Muhammad. One historian (Hurgronjes) said that sacred worship may have developed around the area because the Zamzam spring was found in this waterless place. Pre-Islamic history tells us that many Arabian tribes were stone worshippers. This is also mentioned in Sahih al- Bukhari, Vol 5, #661. The Old Testament even talks about Mideast pagan groups that worshipped stones. Muhammad incorporated the Kaba's paganistic roots into Islam to give the Muslims a sense of identity, legitimacy, and uniqueness. He also wanted to ease the Arab's strain of moving from paganism to Islam, by continuing the practices of their fathers. PAGAN GODS AND RITUALS There were 360 idols around the Kaba. The pilgrimages to the Kaba were all pagan pilgrimages, the ritual processions around the Kaba were part of pagan beliefs and custom, the white robes worn by the pilgrims were from pagan faiths, the veneration of the Kaba and black stone are derived from pagan rituals and beliefs. Pagans called out the names of their pagan gods as they circled the Kaba, today, Muslims call out Allah's name. Pagans ran between the nearby hills, Muhammad authorized Muslims to do that in the Quran, and probably ran between the hills himself. The chief pagan god worshipped there was Hubal, who could be called the god of Mecca and of the Kaba. Hubal is not mentioned in the Quran. The goddesses al-Lat, al-Uzza, and Manat were also worshipped there and are mentioned in the Quran. It is thought that the Kaba was originally set up for astral worship. Golden suns and moons are repeatedly mentioned as the votive gifts. Some pagans regarded the Kaba as a temple devoted to the sun, moon, and 5 planets. THE BLACK STONE The black stone played a prominent role in pagan worship. The pagans offered animal sacrifices there. But the idol of the black stone replaced the alter; on the black stone they smeared the blood of the sacrificed animals. QURANIC MYTHS Muhammad made up historical references for the Kaba. Muhammad claimed that Abraham and Ishmael laid the foundations of the Kaba (Q. 2:127). Muhammad claimed that God ordained the Kaba as a sacred house (Q. 5:97). Muhammad also claimed that it was the first temple ever built for mankind (Q. 3:97). Only Muhammad claimed that it was a place built by Abraham. In looking in the O.T., we find no mention of Abraham traveling to Mecca to build a house of worship. Further, the late Taha Hussein, one of the most famous Egyptian professors of Arabic literature said that the Islamic myth of Abraham building the Kaba came into vogue just before the rise of Islam. He comments: "The case of this episode is very obvious because it is of recent date, and came into vogue just before the rise of Islam. Islam exploited it for religious reasons". Quoted in 'Mizar al-Islam' by Anwar al- Jundi. THEOLOGICAL PROBLEMS Every man living in Mecca before and during Muhammad's life had some relationship with the Kaba. If the Kaba was the house of God, why did Muhammad order his followers to face Jerusalem? Muhammad's 'revelation' in the Quran says that when Allah had Muhammad change prayer directions, it was a test of the Muslims. This sounds like a lame excuse on Muhammad's part. What's the test? Face another direction? That does not appear to be such an incredible challenge! Probably the real answer is that through his early contacts with Christians and Jews, Muhammad knew that their faiths, centered in Jerusalem, where monotheistic. Muhammad abhorred polytheistic worship, consequently he aligned himself with faiths that he believed were from the true God. He selected Jerusalem as the direction of prayer. He hoped that the Jews would receive him as a prophet. About a year and a half after the migration to Medina, after the Jews had thoroughly rejected him, he turned the direction of prayer to Mecca - the center of pagan worship in the Arabian peninsula (Q. 2:144). Just as he had compromised with the pagan idol worshippers in Mecca, by sanctioning and worshipping the pagan goddesses Lat, Uzza, and Manat, so now he hoped to gain favor with the pagan Arab tribes that worshipped at the Kaba in Mecca. He authenticated the pagan focus of attention. After Muhammad took Mecca, he cleansed the Kaba. Inside the Kaba were many representations of the prophets. When his men began to cleanse the Kaba, and wash out the representations, Muhammad placed his hands on the pictures of Jesus and Mary, and said "Wash out all except what is below my hands". Again, Muhammad went against his own principles, and sanctioned his definition of idolatry. Muhammad then sanctioned the pagan rituals concerning the Kaba, i.e. kissing the black stone, touching the Kaba, circling the structure, running between the two hills, etc. Later, Umar said to the black stone "I know that you are a stone, that neither helps nor hurts, and if the messenger of god had not kissed you, I would not kiss you". (Sahih al-Bukhari, volume 2, #667). But then he kissed the stone. Like Umar, many other Muslims follow the prophet in their practice of veneration of a pagan idol.for more visit here. http://www.answering-islam.org/Silas/pagansources.htm

malvisguy212:
yes, te

This same cannot be said of muhammed father and grand father.

Can the same bbe said of jesus grandfathers?

malvisguy212:
EzioAuditore.
THE PAGAN SOURCES OF ISLAM
GENERAL
As Muhammad developed Islam he
borrowed from the other regional
religions present in the Mideast. These
religions include Judaism, Christianity,
Sabeanism, Zoroastrianism, and forms of
paganism. Judaism is the largest
contributor to Islam, followed by
Christianity, then followed by the various
pagan religions, and Muhammad’s mind.
These pagan borrowings constitute
significant facets of Islam and this article
details some of these pagan
contributions.
1) PAGANISM IN ISLAM
Islamic theology has some of its roots in
various pagan beliefs. Primary to Islam is
it's most holiest shrine: the Kaba.
THE KABA
The Kaba is now the most revered
sanctuary of Islam. It is located in Mecca.
Muslims throughout the world direct
their prayers toward the Kaba.
PHYSICAL SHAPE
The Kaba's shape is somewhat cubical. Of
note in the Kaba's structure is a black
rock built into the wall in its eastern
corner. The black rock's diameter is
about 12 inches. It is reddish black in
color, and has red and yellow particles.
The black rock is kissed during the
perambulation, (the circulation of the
Muslims around the Kaba). The Kaba is
about 50 feet high, and the walls are
about 40 feet long. The facade contains
the door, which starts at 7 feet off the
ground, and faces N.E.. To enter the
Kaba, a ladder must be used. Also built
in the eastern corner, is another stone
called "lucky". This stone is only touched,
not kissed.
KNOWN PAGAN HISTORY
Apart from Muslim myths, little is really
known about the history of the Kaba.
About 60 years before Christ, the Roman
historian Diodorus Siculus commented
that there was in Arabia a temple greatly
revered by the Arabs. It is probable that
he had the Kaba in mind. It was later
mentioned to have existed in the 2nd
century; Ptolemy, the geographer
mentions it in his work, calling it the
'macoraba'. The Kaba was a sanctuary
dedicated to one or more pagan deities.
The accounts of the campaigns of Abraha
note that it was a place of pagan worship
in the 6th century. Information on the
distribution of the offices among the sons
of Kusayy show that the worship of the
sanctuary had developed into a
regulated cult several generations before
Muhammad.
One historian (Hurgronjes) said that
sacred worship may have developed
around the area because the Zamzam
spring was found in this waterless place.
Pre-Islamic history tells us that many
Arabian tribes were stone worshippers.
This is also mentioned in Sahih al-
Bukhari, Vol 5, #661. The Old Testament
even talks about Mideast pagan groups
that worshipped stones. Muhammad
incorporated the Kaba's paganistic roots
into Islam to give the Muslims a sense of
identity, legitimacy, and uniqueness. He
also wanted to ease the Arab's strain of
moving from paganism to Islam, by
continuing the practices of their fathers.
PAGAN GODS AND RITUALS
There were 360 idols around the Kaba.
The pilgrimages to the Kaba were all
pagan pilgrimages, the ritual processions
around the Kaba were part of pagan
beliefs and custom, the white robes worn
by the pilgrims were from pagan faiths,
the veneration of the Kaba and black
stone are derived from pagan rituals and
beliefs. Pagans called out the names of
their pagan gods as they circled the
Kaba, today, Muslims call out Allah's
name. Pagans ran between the nearby
hills, Muhammad authorized Muslims to
do that in the Quran, and probably ran
between the hills himself.
The chief pagan god worshipped there
was Hubal, who could be called the god
of Mecca and of the Kaba. Hubal is not
mentioned in the Quran. The goddesses
al-Lat, al-Uzza, and Manat were also
worshipped there and are mentioned in
the Quran.
It is thought that the Kaba was originally
set up for astral worship. Golden suns
and moons are repeatedly mentioned as
the votive gifts. Some pagans regarded
the Kaba as a temple devoted to the sun,
moon, and 5 planets.
THE BLACK STONE
The black stone played a prominent role
in pagan worship. The pagans offered
animal sacrifices there. But the idol of
the black stone replaced the alter; on the
black stone they smeared the blood of
the sacrificed animals.
QURANIC MYTHS
Muhammad made up historical
references for the Kaba. Muhammad
claimed that Abraham and Ishmael laid
the foundations of the Kaba (Q. 2:127).
Muhammad claimed that God ordained
the Kaba as a sacred house (Q. 5:97).
Muhammad also claimed that it was the
first temple ever built for mankind (Q.
3:97).
Only Muhammad claimed that it was a
place built by Abraham. In looking in the
O.T., we find no mention of Abraham
traveling to Mecca to build a house of
worship.
Further, the late Taha Hussein, one of
the most famous Egyptian professors of
Arabic literature said that the Islamic
myth of Abraham building the Kaba
came into vogue just before the rise of
Islam. He comments:
"The case of this episode is very obvious
because it is of recent date, and came
into vogue just before the rise of Islam.
Islam exploited it for religious reasons".
Quoted in 'Mizar al-Islam' by Anwar al-
Jundi.
THEOLOGICAL PROBLEMS
Every man living in Mecca before and
during Muhammad's life had some
relationship with the Kaba. If the Kaba
was the house of God, why did
Muhammad order his followers to face
Jerusalem? Muhammad's 'revelation' in
the Quran says that when Allah had
Muhammad change prayer directions, it
was a test of the Muslims. This sounds
like a lame excuse on Muhammad's part.
What's the test? Face another direction?
That does not appear to be such an
incredible challenge!
Probably the real answer is that through
his early contacts with Christians and
Jews, Muhammad knew that their faiths,
centered in Jerusalem, where
monotheistic. Muhammad abhorred
polytheistic worship, consequently he
aligned himself with faiths that he
believed were from the true God. He
selected Jerusalem as the direction of
prayer. He hoped that the Jews would
receive him as a prophet.
About a year and a half after the
migration to Medina, after the Jews had
thoroughly rejected him, he turned the
direction of prayer to Mecca - the center
of pagan worship in the Arabian
peninsula (Q. 2:144). Just as he had
compromised with the pagan idol
worshippers in Mecca, by sanctioning
and worshipping the pagan goddesses
Lat, Uzza, and Manat, so now he hoped
to gain favor with the pagan Arab tribes
that worshipped at the Kaba in Mecca.
He authenticated the pagan focus of
attention.
After Muhammad took Mecca, he
cleansed the Kaba. Inside the Kaba were
many representations of the prophets.
When his men began to cleanse the
Kaba, and wash out the representations,
Muhammad placed his hands on the
pictures of Jesus and Mary, and said
"Wash out all except what is below my
hands". Again, Muhammad went against
his own principles, and sanctioned his
definition of idolatry.
Muhammad then sanctioned the pagan
rituals concerning the Kaba, i.e. kissing
the black stone, touching the Kaba,
circling the structure, running between
the two hills, etc. Later, Umar said to the
black stone "I know that you are a stone,
that neither helps nor hurts, and if the
messenger of god had not kissed you, I
would not kiss you". (Sahih al-Bukhari,
volume 2, #667). But then he kissed the
stone. Like Umar, many other Muslims
follow the prophet in their practice of
veneration of a pagan idol.for more visit here.
http://www.answering-islam.org/Silas/pagansources.htm

You're recycling this BS again? Smh, was it silas or sam shamoun? Like I said before, those dweebs over at that website are doing more harm to christianity than good.

EzioAuditore:



Give me one similarity between Allah and a pagan god.


Meanwhile,

Jesus compared to HORUS the Egyptian one eyed sun god

1.Both were conceived of a virgin.
2.Both were the "only begotten son" of a god (either Osiris or Yahweh)
3.Horus's mother was Meri, Jesus's mother was Mary.
4.Horus's foster father was called Jo-Seph, and Jesus's foster father was Joseph.
5.Both foster fathers were of royal descent.
6.Both were born in a cave (although sometimes Jesus is said to have been born in a stable).
7.Both had their coming announced to their mother by an angel.
Horus; birth was heralded by the star Sirius (the morning star). Jesus had his birth heralded by a star in the East (the sun rises in the East).
8.Ancient Egyptians celebrated the birth of Horus on December 21 (the Winter Solstice). Modern Christians celebrate the birth of Jesus on December 25.
9.Both births were announced by angels (this si nto the same as number 7).
10.Both had shepherds witnessing the birth.
11.Horus was visited at birth by "three solar deities" and Jesus was visited by "three wise men".
12.After the birth of Horus, Herut tried to have Horus murdered. After the birth of Jesus, Herod tried to have Jesus murdered.
13.To hide from Herut, the god That tells Isis, "Come, thou goddess Isis, hide thyself with thy child." To hide from Herod, an angel tells Joseph to "arise and take the young child and his mother and flee into Egypt."
14.When Horus came of age, he had a special ritual where hsi eye was restored. When Jesus (and other Jews) come of age, they have a special ritual called a Bar Mitzvah.
15.Both Horus and Jesus were 12 at this coming-of-age ritual.
Neither have any official recorded life histories between the ages of 12 and 30.
16.Horus was baptized in the river Eridanus. Jesus was baptized in the river Jordan.
17.Both were baptized at age 30.
18.Horus was baptized by Anup the Baptizer. Jesus was baptized by John the Baptist.
19.Both Anup and John were later beheaded.
20.Horus was taken from the desert of Amenta up a high mountain to be tempted by his arch-rival Set. Jesus was taken from the desert in Palestine up a high mountain to be tempted by his arch-rival Satan.
21.Both Horus and Jesus successfully resist this temptation.
22.Both have 12 disciples.
23.Both walked on water, cast out demons, healed the sick, and restored sight to the blind.
24.Horus "stilled the sea by his power." Jesus commanded the sea to be still by saying, "Peace, be still."
25.Horus raised his dead father (Osiris) from the grave. Jesus raised Lazarus from the grave. (Note the similarity in names when you say them out loud. Further, Osiris was also known as Asar, which is El-Asar in Hebrew, which is El-Asarus in Latin.)
26.Osiris was raised in the town of Anu. Lazarus was raised in Bethanu (literally, "house of Anu".
27.Both gods delivered a Sermon on the Mount.
28.Both were crucified.
29.Both were crucified next to two thieves.
30.Both were buried in a tomb.
31.Horus was sent to Hell and resurrected in 3 days. Jesus was sent to Hell and came back "three days" later (although Friday night to Sunday morning is hardly three days).
32.Both had their resurrection announced by women.
33.Both are supposed to return for a 1000-year reign.
34.Horus is known as KRST, the anointed one. Jesus was known as the Christ (which means "anointed one".
35.Both Jesus and Horus have been called the good shepherd, the lamb of God, the bread of life, the son of man, the Word, the fisher, and the winnower.
36.Both are associated with the zodiac sign of Pisces (the fish).
37.Both are associated with the symbols of the fish, the beetle, the vine, and the shepherd's crook.
38.Horus was born in Anu ("the place of bread" and Jesus was born in Bethlehem ("the house of bread".
39."The infant Horus was carried out of Egypt to escape the wrath of Typhon. The infant Jesus was carried into Egypt to escape the wrath of Herod. Concerning the infant Jesus, the New Testament states the following prophecy: 'Out of Egypt have I called my son.'"
40.Both were transfigured on the mount.
41.The catacombs of Rome have pictures of the infant Horus being held by his mother, not unlike the modern-day images of "Madonna and Child."
Noted English author C. W. King says that both Isis and Mary are called "Immaculate".
42.Horus says: "Osiris, I am your son, come to glorify your soul, and to give you even more power." And Jesus says: "Now is the Son of Man glorified and God is glorified in him. If God is glorified in him, God will glorify the Son in himself, and will glorify him at once."
Horus was identified with the Tau (cross).


Yet you go to church on SUNday, most pictures of jesus comes with a SUN, that's because you're actually worshipping a ONE EYED SUN god!



Narrated Ibn Umar: "Once Allah's Apostle stood amongst the people, glorified and praised Allah as He deserved and then mentioned the Dajjal (anti-Christ) saying, "l warn you against him (i.e. the Dajjal) and there was no prophet but warned his nation against him. No doubt, Noah warned his nation against him but I tell you about him something of which no prophet told his nation before me. You should know that he is one-eyed, and Allah is not one-eyed." (Translation of Sahih Bukhari, Volume 4, Book 55, Number 553)"

This your long post is so irrelevant to mine, which you seek to respond to. I wonder how you think that is a response to my post. You think you can just copy and paste anything? If you are tired, go and rest your brain.

The simple points in my post are:

1. Mulaleb, Muhammad's grandfather, Abdullai (meaning servant of allahh) and Muhammad were worshipers of allahh prior to islam. These people were idol worshipers. What was their idol? allahh. It was this same allahh Muhammad was worshiping in Hira when Gabriel appeared to him with the 'TRUTH'. What is the truth? To continue the worship of allahh (idol) as the true God. How reasonable is it to convert an idol to the true God? Anybody with his senses in right order would know it is a clear satanic deception.

2. Muhammad claimed he went to heaven in a night and saw Jewish prophets who you muslims or allahh say they observed 'corrupt' Scripture, whereas he didn't see his jihadists who were martred for allahh. My question is: where were they with their promised virgins? Why would you continue to follow falsehood?

truthman2012:


This your long post is so irrelevant to mine, which you seek to respond to. I wonder how you think that is a response to my post. You think you can just copy and paste anything? If you are tired, go and rest your brain.

The simple points in my post are:

1. Mulaleb, Muhammad's grandfather, Abdullai (meaning servant of allahh) and Muhammad were worshipers of allahh prior to islam. These people were idol worshipers. What was their idol? allahh. It was this same allahh Muhammad was worshiping in Hira when Gabriel appeared to him with the 'TRUTH'. What is the truth? To continue the worship of allahh (idol) as the true God. How reasonable is it to convert an idol to the true God? Anybody with his senses in right order would know it is a clear satanic deception.

2. Muhammad claimed he went to heaven in a night and saw Jewish prophets who you muslims or allahh say they observed 'corrupt' Scripture, whereas he didn't see his jihadists who were martred for allahh. My question is: where were they with their promised virgins? Why would you continue to follow falsehood?

You claimed Allah was a pagan god, I asked for similarities, you had none.as to the second part of your question, that just proves you have no idea how the concept of heaven works. Now can you answer my question already? Stop trying to rope a dope as usual.

Rilwayne001:


Can the same bbe said of jesus grandfathers?

who was Jesus grandfather? You cannot answer my question on "who was the father of Jesus" now you are asking about his grandfather?