kay9:


Mmm, well your opinions are yours to have.


Support Renly? Ned wasn't even in support of Stannis.

My view is that Ned Stark midjudged how dangerous and high risk the game he was playing was. You cannot afford to let your emotions interfere with your decisions in such a serious position - and that was what Ned did. Starks don't do that - they did not become the most feared Lords in the North by doing that. I think it was a momentary lapse in judgement by Ned; he had shown many times before that he was not afraid of making harsh decisions when it was needed. Sadly it was the mistake that would cost him his life.

What are you talking about? Ned knew all along he was playing a dangerous game but still decided to do it the right way. That doesn't make him a fool, it makes him a honourable man. That is why the north will always rally to the starks. The north remembers.

Wait. Am I the only one rooting for Stannis? Come on nairaland Stannis Baratheon is awesome and a wise man.

gj22:
Wait. Am I the only one rooting for Stannis? Come on nairaland Stannis Baratheon is awesome and a wise man.

Stannis is overly reliant on Melisandre. He is ruled by what the 'Lord of Light' wills. Melisandre may come up with her own agenda along the way.
My money is on Danearys any day; she has a fearless army, 3 yet to be tamed dragons and a respected bloodline.
I foresee strong alliances being forged soon.

gj22:


What are you talking about? Ned knew all along he was playing a dangerous game but still decided to do it the right way. That doesn't make him a fool, it makes him a honourable man. That is why the north will always rally to the starks. The north remembers.

_{I really thought I was through with this Ned Stark argument...}

Ok, I think our problems lies in our definition of "foolish"; what you think of as "the right way" is actually what I think is the foolish way. How can you keep playing fair when your opponents are so crooked and malevolent, and still hope to win? You just can't! Its either you bend your rules, or you lose - or the less walked road, you resign and go home. Remember what Maester Aemon said to Jon Snow right after he was made Lord Commander: It is time to kill the boy and let the man be born. _{Although in the books, this was actually said to Aegon V a.k.a the Egg.}

So that's what I mean by Ned was foolish. Yes, of course, he did the "right thing", but was it the wise thing? He'd stepped up to the Iron Throne in Robert's stead and meted out the King's justice on Gregor Clegane (a.k.a the Mountain) who was ravaging the Riverlands bordering the Westerlands; this was right after fighting Jaime Lannister, thereby further incurring Tywins wrath. And then he turned around and further weakened his own position by gifting Cercei with the secret he knew. Naturally Cercei (who knew what Robert would do when he finds out) acted first and got Robert poisoned, leaving our dear Ned with nothing but a powerless letter to fight with. The rest, as they say, na story for the gods.

Look guys, nobody is arguing that Ned was not an honorable man. He was. He was a good man, and he was loved and respected for it. But he was singularly unsuited to dealing with power-drunk Lords like the Lannisters. Honor is an admirable trait, but sometimes it is wiser to be hard and harsh. What Ned chose to do was not wise, it was foolish.

_{….and nobody should drag me back to this argument again.}

gj22:
Wait. Am I the only one rooting for Stannis? Come on nairaland Stannis Baratheon is awesome and a wise man.

Awesome and wise? That's hard to see from where I stand. All I see is a stubborn man who is easily manipulated by a suspicious witch.

kay9:


_{I really thought I was through with this Ned Stark argument...}

Ok, I think our problems lies in our definition of "foolish"; what you think of as "the right way" is actually what I think is the foolish way. How can you keep playing fair when your opponents are so crooked and malevolent, and still hope to win? You just can't! Its either you bend your rules, or you lose - or the less walked road, you resign and go home. Remember what Maester Aemon said to Jon Snow right after he was made Lord Commander: It is time to kill the boy and let the man be born. _{Although in the books, this was actually said to Aegon V a.k.a the Egg.}

So that's what I mean by Ned was foolish. Yes, of course, he did the "right thing", but was it the wise thing? He'd stepped up to the Iron Throne in Robert's stead and meted out the King's justice on Gregor Clegane (a.k.a the Mountain) who was ravaging the Riverlands bordering the Westerlands; this was right after fighting Jaime Lannister, thereby further incurring Tywins wrath. And then he turned around and further weakened his own position by gifting Cercei with the secret he knew. Naturally Cercei (who knew what Robert would do when he finds out) acted first and got Robert poisoned, leaving our dear Ned with nothing but a powerless letter to fight with. The rest, as they say, na story for the gods.

Look guys, nobody is arguing that Ned was not an honorable man. He was. He was a good man, and he was loved and respected for it. But he was singularly unsuited to dealing with power-drunk Lords like the Lannisters. Honor is an admirable trait, but sometimes it is wiser to be hard and harsh. What Ned chose to do was not wise, it was foolish.

_{….and nobody should drag me back to this argument again.}

I could say Ned was harsh, when he had to be. But you have your opinion i have mine. Ned was always going to die regardless because LF wanted him dead. Why do you use kill the boy for Ned ? Isnt he passed that stage ? That is not a question. You said the right thing is sometimes the foolish thing, you're right, but the smart thing isn't always the best thing. Most of Ned's actions in KL, cant even be considered honorable. He is honorable but not to the point of stupidity. Again, the smart thing might be what's good on the short run, but the right thing is what is best on the long run. Good leaders crave no power, his major character traits was his honor, he had principles, something which doesnt remotely fly in today's society and for that reason it's very looked down upon and branded an ideal of someone foolish. When that trait is applied in a medieval setting like westeros it is revered. Eddard knows some politics but he doesnt play the Game of Thrones.

He's lived his life in the feudal system of Westeros and believes that the success of that system is built upon everyone knowing their roles and doing their duty, like Stannis refers. The problem is that, he gets to KL, and finds out, this people aren't content with their positions. They dont know how to follow. They scheme and plot and backstab because they aren't satisfied with where they are, regardless that a lot of people in the kingdoms live off scrap, and find it hard to survive. These Lords and Ladies play their so called game of thrones and the innocents suffer. That's separated Ned from everyone else in KL, he was satisfied where he was and never really wanted more, even though he ended up getting it. So i think, dont blame the victims, blame the system. After all he wasnt dismissed for incompetence, he just got outplayed by those that considered him a threat.

Gbola5:
Did any one else hear "Khaleesi i'll be your Dragon" in that Tony Montana remix. You should go hear it,i thought i did.

Actually,Naeto C said:
"You'll be my Khaleesi, I'll be your Drogo"

LeSulk:
Actually,Naeto C said: "You'll be my Khaleesi, I'll be your Drogo"

Yeah something like that. I heard it and was wondering.

gj22:


Edit : bosoms? Are you kidding me? Who says bosoms? Am I allowed to say b00bs? Seriously, this auto moderation is stupid. Lol.

kay9:


_{I really thought I was through with this Ned Stark argument...}

Ok, I think our problems lies in our definition of "foolish"; what you think of as "the right way" is actually what I think is the foolish way. How can you keep playing fair when your opponents are so crooked and malevolent, and still hope to win? You just can't! Its either you bend your rules, or you lose - or the less walked road, you resign and go home. Remember what Maester Aemon said to Jon Snow right after he was made Lord Commander: It is time to kill the boy and let the man be born. _{Although in the books, this was actually said to Aegon V a.k.a the Egg.}

So that's what I mean by Ned was foolish. Yes, of course, he did the "right thing", but was it the wise thing? He'd stepped up to the Iron Throne in Robert's stead and meted out the King's justice on Gregor Clegane (a.k.a the Mountain) who was ravaging the Riverlands bordering the Westerlands; this was right after fighting Jaime Lannister, thereby further incurring Tywins wrath. And then he turned around and further weakened his own position by gifting Cercei with the secret he knew. Naturally Cercei (who knew what Robert would do when he finds out) acted first and got Robert poisoned, leaving our dear Ned with nothing but a powerless letter to fight with. The rest, as they say, na story for the gods.

Look guys, nobody is arguing that Ned was not an honorable man. He was. He was a good man, and he was loved and respected for it. But he was singularly unsuited to dealing with power-drunk Lords like the Lannisters. Honor is an admirable trait, but sometimes it is wiser to be hard and harsh. What Ned chose to do was not wise, it was foolish.

_{….and nobody should drag me back to this argument again.}

Guy, he was ready to sacrifice his life for the right thing. He was prepared for it. It was when they threatened his children he succumbed to their ways. He knew he was going to get killed but didn't care. That is not foolishness, that is honour.

Let's just pass this one as opinion. No more argument.

ApexTitan:


Awesome and wise? That's hard to see from where I stand. All I see is a stubborn man who is easily manipulated by a suspicious witch.

He is not being stubborn and he is right to obey the witch (for now). He believed Sam when no one did and listens to that smuggler guy (sir devos?). He actually is the one with the best claim for now (you could argue daenerys too). I just love the guy sha maybe it's because of melisandre

Can't wait to c what will happen when d 'night walkers' finally come out to play!! if they'll still b battling to rule or they'll unite to fight d night walkers

I really miss bran sha.

And the littlefinger vs varys battle of words in season one.

Sammypedro18:
Can't wait to c what will happen when d 'night walkers' finally come out to play!! if they'll still b battling to rule or they'll unite to fight d night walkers

*Whitewalkers or you can simply call them the "Others". Yeah cant wait too.

wow! fellow GOT fans i send you greetings from Qarth!

Talking about Ned stark, the lesson i take from him is dont trust too much! call Ned an Honourable fool, you are not wrong! but i was heartbroken watching him die dat way!

Jofrey died an easy death considering all d atrocities he perpetuated!

Tyrion Lannister is a man of good spirit! he is fair in judgement and the wisest dwarf ever liveth lol (my fave xter in d GOT series)

Jon Snow smashed dat puscy like i would, so sad Ygritte had to die!

suyamasta:
Talking about Ned stark, the lesson i take from him is dont trust too much! call Ned an Honourable fool, you are not wrong! but i was heartbroken watching him die dat way!

Jofrey died an easy death considering all d atrocities he perpetuated!

Tyrion Lannister is a man of good spirit! he is fair in judgement and the wisest dwarf ever liveth lol (my fave xter in d GOT series)

Jon Snow smashed dat puscy like i would, so sad Ygritte had to die!

Woah...no way Tyrion is fair...he's wise though...

Who do u think d 3 dragon riders are.

I'm thinking Dany, Jon and Tyrion

sage1000:
Who do u think d 3 dragon riders are.

I'm thinking Dany, Jon and Tyrion

I didnt know they had cockpits.

sage1000:
Who do u think d 3 dragon riders are.
I'm thinking Dany, Jon and Tyrion

i dont see how tyrion fits as the third dragon rider. Has young Griff proven to be a Blackfyre than Rhaegar's Aegon? I even consider Bran a better contender to Tyrion.

Gbola5:


*Whitewalkers or you can simply call them the "Others". Yeah cant wait too.

Thanks for d correction, glad yu did,didnt no how to edit it after posting it.
fave xters re Aaya,snow nd Tyrion lannista

Ok, Bran will surely skinchange a dragon. And as for Tyrion, i dont believe he's a Targ, the theory isnt plausible to me. Dany Jon and Bran or Aegon if he's real. But i think he's fake.

remains to see what dragon or type, he is going to skinchange.

blublahd:
remains to see what dragon or type, he is going to skinchange.

An ice dragon.

Gbola5:
An ice dragon.

so you saying Bran would possibly warg 2 dragons?

http://m.imgur.com/a/m5hhS

Proof that the writers know their shiitt and are not just making stuff up. First 3 images from S02E07

Also heard that the show is going for 8 seasons. I encountered a book spoiler today that might explain the grey worm-mesandei story line...Wish I didn't.

Monday must come sooner.

gj22:
http://m.imgur.com/a/m5hhS

Proof that the writers know their shiitt and are not just making stuff up. First 3 images from S02E07

Also heard that the show is going for 8 seasons. I encountered a book spoiler today that might explain the grey worm-mesandei story line...Wish I didn't.

Monday must come sooner.

Whose arse is that?

blublahd:

so you saying Bran would possibly warg 2 dragons?

Anything im saying is speculation. And im saying, not one of Dany's but an ice dragon, cool right.

gj22:
http://m.imgur.com/a/m5hhS

Proof that the writers know their shiitt and are not just making stuff up. First 3 images from S02E07

Also heard that the show is going for 8 seasons. I encountered a book spoiler today that might explain the grey worm-mesandei story line...Wish I didn't.

Monday must come sooner.

But they ARE making stuff up, and its leading to a lot of plotholes.

Gbola5:

But they ARE making stuff up, and its leading to a lot of plotholes.

When you put it like that one would think this whole thing actually happened. The whole GoT story was is made up.

ApexTitan:


When you put it like that one would think this whole thing actually happened. The whole GoT story was is made up.

Perhaps he means that all stories are made up, but some are more made up than others.