Jehovah's witnesses teach that Jesus Christ is an Angel, specifically angel michael.

This is blasphemy in the highest order, since in fact that angel michael is a creation of JESUS CHRIST himself (Collosians 1:16, Hebrews 1 etc)

Now, there are a thousand and one verses that expose this heresy of the jws and the ones i am displaying below are a tip of the iceberg.

see...Hebrews chapter 2 verse 2 " For if the word spoken by angels was stedfast, and every transgression and disobedience received a just recompence of reward; "

Hebrews Chapter 2 verse 3 " How shall we escape, if we neglect so great salvation; which at the first began to be spoken by the Lord, and was confirmed unto us by them that heard him;"

Angels are clearly distinguished from the Lord according to these verses

Open your eyes brothers, watch and pray for the devil is desperate than ever......watch these cults....JESUS IS THE FATHER HIMSELF

Nehemiah 9 vs 13;

''13 Thou camest down also upon mount Sinai, and spakest with them from heaven, and gavest them right judgments, and true laws, good statutes and commandments:''

Wow! Do you get that? 'Thou' (God)* camest upon Mount Sinai, 'and' (the word 'and' is a connecting clause, connecting the formal-Mount Sinai, and the Latter-Heaven)* - spakest with them from HEAVEN!

Are you saying Jehova witness is a cult? Watch your tongue. Stick to your believe, leave them to theirs..

Qsscruz:
Are you saying Jehova witness is a cult? Watch your tongue. Stick to your believe, leave them to theirs..

How will the church fulfil her great commission to the world if we leave the world to their unbelief? And how will the church itself mature and come to the unity of the faith and of the knowledge of the Son of God if we leave one another to our doctrinal beliefs, no matter how inconsistent it is with sound doctrine?

If we see an error of doctrine among the brethren, it is right and needful to point it out; in an attitude of love and meekeness.

Jesus is not an angel. Jesus wasn't created. Jesus is the Word of God and He created all things -including all the angels.

Shalom

ayoku777:


How will the church fulfil her great commission to the world if we leave the world to their unbelief? And how will the church itself mature and come to the unity of the faith and of the knowledge of the Son of God if we leave one another to our doctrinal beliefs, no matter how inconsistent it is with sound doctrine?

If we see an error of doctrine among the brethren, it is right and needful to point it out; in an attitude of love and meekeness.

Jesus is not an angel. Jesus wasn't created. Jesus is the Word of God and He created all things -including all the angels.

Shalom

JESUS BLESS YOU!!!

bingbagbo:

Jehovah's witnesses teach that Jesus Christ is an Angel, specifically angel michael.

This is blasphemy in the highest order, since in fact that angel michael is a creation of JESUS CHRIST himself (Collosians 1:16, Hebrews 1 etc)

Now, there are a thousand and one verses that expose this heresy of the jws and the ones i am displaying below are a tip of the iceberg.

see...Hebrews chapter 2 verse 2 " For if the word spoken by angels was stedfast, and every transgression and disobedience received a just recompence of reward; "

Hebrews Chapter 2 verse 3 " How shall we escape, if we neglect so great salvation; which at the first began to be spoken by the Lord, and was confirmed unto us by them that heard him;"

Angels are clearly distinguished from the Lord according to these verses

Open your eyes brothers, watch and pray for the devil is desperate than ever......watch these cults....JESUS IS THE FATHER HIMSELF

We sure open our eyes to see if we are wrong in that belief. I assure you that we do change if we see that our position is wrong. But I dont think that what you said above really disproves us. Ok, can you tell me when the lord spoke what was written in that Heb 2:3?

Thanks.

ayoku777:


How will the church fulfil her great commission to the world if we leave the world to their unbelief? And how will the church itself mature and come to the unity of the faith and of the knowledge of the Son of God if we leave one another to our doctrinal beliefs, no matter how inconsistent it is with sound doctrine?

If we see an error of doctrine among the brethren, it is right and needful to point it out; in an attitude of love and meekeness.

Jesus is not an angel. Jesus wasn't created. Jesus is the Word of God and He created all things -including all the angels.

Shalom

Thanks for being well meaning. When we see a friend heading a way we feel is wrong, it is an act of love to air our view and tell him the way we believe is the best. however, we who directs another might be wrong. This makes it good that we ourselves who directs be open to see if we are the one on the wrong side. I surely think you agree with that.

Many get pissed off when they hear that Jesus is called an angel by some people. You may belong to this category. But sir, why do you think he is not an angel, and what do you think the word "angel" means as used in the scriptures?

JMAN05:


Thanks for being well meaning. When we see a friend heading a way we feel is wrong, it is an act of love to air our view and tell him the way we believe is the best. however, we who directs another might be wrong. This makes it good that we ourselves who directs be open to see if we are the one on the wrong side. I surely think you agree with that.

Many get pissed off when they hear that Jesus is called an angel by some people. You may belong to this category. But sir, why do you think he is not an angel, and what do you think the word "angel" means as used in the scriptures?

In the book of hebrews, there is a marked difference between the beings called angels and the person called the Son.

Hebrews 1v7-8 -And of the angels he saith, Who maketh his angels spirits, and his ministers a flame of fire.

But unto the Son he saith, Thy throne, O God, is for ever and ever: a sceptre of righteousness is the sceptre of thy kingdom.

This verse clearly shows that the person called the Son is not in the class of those beings called angels.

Angels are called spirits and ministers or ministering spirits. But the Son is called God.

The word "angel" as used in scripture means messenger. Even so, there are beings that are specifically called angels. We are not angels just because we also could be sent of God with a message.

Jesus is not an angel, the Holy Spirit is not an angel and neither are men angels; even though they could be sent of the Father with a message. The name angel is specific to certain spirit beings, not just everyone with a message.

Jesus is God, according to this passage in hebrew; and even John 1v1. Angels are not Gods.

bingbagbo:


....JESUS IS THE FATHER HIMSELF

Then who is the Son?

You say the Son is the Father, which is ridiculous.

You say they are one person, instead of saying they are One God as scriptures say.

Joh 1:1 In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was [size=14pt]with[/size] God, and the Word [size=14pt]was[/size] God.

bingbagbo:
Nehemiah 9 vs 13;

''13 Thou camest down also upon mount Sinai, and spakest with them from heaven, and gavest them right judgments, and true laws, good statutes and commandments:''

Wow! Do you get that? 'Thou' (God)* camest upon Mount Sinai, 'and' (the word 'and' is a connecting clause, connecting the formal-Mount Sinai, and the Latter-Heaven)* - spakest with them from HEAVEN!

That verse shows God and the Word, two persons in God,
you see something that's not there.



Gen 2:4 These are the generations of the heavens and of the earth when they were created in the day that Jehovah God made the earth and the heavens.

God in that verse comes from the Hebrew word "elohym" which is plural, as in "God and the Word".

Joh 1:1 In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was [size=14pt]with[/size] God, and the Word [size=14pt]was[/size] God.

Jesus is an ANGEL (hebrew malak, greek angelos)! Malachi 3:1
Fight with it.

CAPTIVATOR:
Jesus is an ANGEL (hebrew malak, greek angelos)! Malachi 3:1

Fight with it.

The Hebrew word "malek" is used for more than angel


Mal 3:1 Behold, I will send my messenger (John the Baptist), and he shall prepare the way before me: and the Lord, whom ye seek, shall suddenly come to his temple, even the messenger of the covenant, whom ye delight in: (Jesus Christ) behold, he shall come, saith the LORD of hosts.

The word messenger is used twice in that verse,
firstly for John the Baptist, and you have no problem with that,
but when messenger is used for Jesus Christ, you say it means angel.

The Hebrew word for messenger is "malek" and it can be used for angel, it can also be used for:
deputy, prophet, priest, teacher, ambassador, king,

Those titles suit Jesus more than they do an angel.



H4397

מַלְאָךְ
mal'âk
mal-awk'
From an unused root meaning to despatch as a deputy; a messenger; specifically of God, that is, an angel (also a prophet, priest or teacher): - ambassador, angel, king, messenger.
Total KJV occurrences: 213

johnw74:


The Hebrew word "malek" is used for more than angel


Mal 3:1 Behold, I will send my messenger (John the Baptist), and he shall prepare the way before me: and the Lord, whom ye seek, shall suddenly come to his temple, even the messenger of the covenant, whom ye delight in: (Jesus Christ) behold, he shall come, saith the LORD of hosts.


The Hebrew word for messenger is "malek" and it can be used for mean angel,



H4397

מַלְאָךְ
mal'âk
mal-awk'
From an unused root meaning to despatch as a deputy; a messenger; specifically of God, [size=24]that is, an angel [/size]

Very good! ..... The bold says it ALL

johnw74:


The Hebrew word "malek" is used for more than angel

Mal 3:1 Behold, I will send my messenger (John the Baptist), and he shall prepare the way before me: and the Lord, whom ye seek, shall suddenly come to his temple, even the messenger of the covenant, whom ye delight in: (Jesus Christ) behold, he shall come, saith the LORD of hosts.

The word messenger is used twice in that verse,
firstly for John the Baptist, and you have no problem with that,
but when messenger is used for Jesus Christ, you say it means angel.

Thanks for this verse. I was searching for it in my word search. But couldn't remember how it was phrased.

The verse embosses the explanation I was trying to make; that just because someone is called a messenger doesn't mean the person is specifically an angel.

John the baptist was called a messenger here just like Jesus; even though its clear John is not an angel.

The term angel is specific to a class of ministering spirits of which Jesus and man clearly don't belong; even though Jesus and men could be sent of the Father with a message.

Trying to call Jesus and John angels is really far-fetched and desperate; almost sinister.

Jesus is God; and the writer of Hebrew made His difference from angels and His superiority over them obvious beyond argument.

Thanks again.

CAPTIVATOR:


Very good! ..... The bold says it ALL

You are blind to anything there other than the word angel.

You tampered with my own quote changing what I posted,
so dishonest, but in keeping with jw practices.

ayoku777:


Thanks for this verse. I was searching for it in my word search. But couldn't remember how it was phrased.

The verse embosses the explanation I was trying to say; that just because someone is called a messenger doesn't mean the person is specifically an angel.

John the baptist was called a messenger here just like Jesus; even though its clear John is not an angel.

The term angel is specific to a group of certain spirit beings of which Jesus and man don't belong; even though Jesus and men could be sent of the Father with a message.

Trying to call Jesus and John angels is really far-fetched and desperate; it almost looks sinister.

Jesus is God; and the writer of Hebrew made His difference from angels and His superiority to them obvious beyond argument.

Thanks again.

Pleasure, God said He has never said to an angel "Thou art my Son, this day have I begotten thee" to make it clear for all,
but some don't believe the bible when it goes against their false beliefs,
and they change the meanings of verses.

Heb_1:5 For unto which of the angels said he at any time, Thou art my Son, this day have I begotten thee? And again, I will be to him a Father, and he shall be to me a Son?

johnw74:


You are blind to anything there other than the word angel.

You tampered with my own quote changing what I posted,
so dishonest, but in keeping with jw practices.

Swallow this truth bro .

Malachi 3:1
Douay-Rheims Bible

Behold I send my angel, and he shall
prepare the way before my face. And
presently the Lord, whom you seek, and
The angel of the testament , whom you
desire, shall come to his temple. Behold
he cometh, saith the Lord of hosts


Darby Bible Translation

Behold, I send my messenger, and he
shall prepare the way before me; and
the Lord whom ye seek will suddenly
Come to his temple, and the Angel of
the covenant , whom ye delight in:
behold, he cometh, saith Jehovah of
hosts.

CAPTIVATOR:

Swallow this truth bro .

Malachi 3:1
Douay-Rheims Bible

Behold I send my angel, and he shall
prepare the way before my face. And
presently the Lord, whom you seek, and
The angel of the testament , whom you
desire, shall come to his temple. Behold
he cometh, saith the Lord of hosts


Darby Bible Translation

Behold, I send my messenger, and he
shall prepare the way before me; and
the Lord whom ye seek will suddenly
Come to his temple, and the Angel of
the covenant , whom ye delight in:
behold, he cometh, saith Jehovah of
hosts.

Anyone can search for a bible version that agrees with them,
but we search for the Truth.

Lock this thread , truth as been revealed

Even John could not denie it , he testifies to the truth
"malek"

johnw74
From an unused root meaning to despatch as a deputy, a messenger; specifically of God, that is , an angel

On this point , its very clear that angel of the covenant in Malachi 3:1 is Jesus Christ which johnw74 also testifies to

Johnw74
, even the messenger of the covenant, whom ye delight in: ( Jesus Christ) " the hebrew word for messenger is " Malek" and it can be used for angel

can john d baptist be called an angel ? Yes , the greek word "angelos" meaning angel can be used for humans as well . In matthew 11:10 the greek word
angelos (angel) is used for John d baptist , infact Jesus reffered to the sheperds of the 7 churches he sent messages as " Angel" .

He is the SLAVE of Allah

CAPTIVATOR:


On this point , its very clear that angel of the covenant in Malachi 3:1 is Jesus Christ which johnw74 also testifies to

johnw74 did not testify that Jesus Christ is an angel, a blatant lie,
jw shows over and over that lying is natural to them.


quote: johnw74

The Hebrew word "malek" is used for more than angel


Mal 3:1 Behold, I will send my messenger (John the Baptist), and he shall prepare the way before me: and the Lord, whom ye seek, shall suddenly come to his temple, even the messenger of the covenant, whom ye delight in: (Jesus Christ) behold, he shall come, saith the LORD of hosts.

The word messenger is used twice in that verse,
firstly for John the Baptist, and you have no problem with that,
but when messenger is used for Jesus Christ, you say it means angel.

The Hebrew word for messenger is "malek" and it can be used for angel, it can also be used for:
deputy, prophet, priest, teacher, ambassador, king,

Those titles suit Jesus more than they do an angel.



H4397

מַלְאָךְ
mal'âk
mal-awk'
From an unused root meaning to despatch as a deputy; a messenger; specifically of God, that is, an angel (also a prophet, priest or teacher): - ambassador, angel, king, messenger.
Total KJV occurrences: 213

Angel is one out of 10 types of persons named there that malak can be used for.

jw lied even yet again.

johnw74

Johnw74 did not testify that Jesus is an angel

U ar feelin the sting of truth ... Emotional outburst here and there .

Contrary to ur words in quote , U declare openly that malak can be used for angel . TRUE OR FALSE !

But in other to close ur eyes to truth .. U deceitly decide not to bold the word angel . And went on to say , the word malak can signify many things apart from " angel" .

DOES THE GREEK SCRIPTURE SUPPORT UR HERESY ? no

In matt 11:10 the exact greek word for ANGEL , angelos is used while quoting this same malachi 3:1 , malak was subtituted with greek angelos NOT prophet or doctor !

TRUTH IS LIGHT

Angelos simply means " messenger" .

The english word for angel was derived from angelos . Meaning an angel.

johnw74:


Anyone can search for a bible version that agrees with them,
but we search for the Truth.

I pray that you do not miss the right way .If what you do or think is that people can search for bible version that agrees with them , then you are not yet a Christian . The bible does not contradicts itself .

People can make mistake but not God . There are things you read that can have multiple meanings ,which can only be explained by the Holy Spirit . But some are direct and with no ambiguities for you to know . Such as :

Hebrews 1:5-10 KJV
For unto which of the angels said he at any time, Thou art my Son, this day have I begotten thee? And again, I will be to him a Father, and he shall be to me a Son? [6] And again, when he bringeth in the firstbegotten into the world, he saith, And let all the angels of God worship him. [7] And of the angels he saith, Who maketh his angels spirits, and his ministers a flame of fire. [8] But unto the Son he saith , Thy throne, O God, is for ever and ever: a sceptre of righteousness is the sceptre of thy kingdom. [9] Thou hast loved righteousness, and hated iniquity; therefore God, even thy God, hath anointed thee with the oil of gladness above thy fellows. [10] And, Thou, Lord, in the beginning hast laid the foundation of the earth; and the heavens are the works of thine hands:

The verse 5 above should make you to understand that Jesus is not an angel .

Angels are not to be worshipped as can be seen in :

Revelation 19:10-16 KJV
And I fell at his feet to worship him. And he said unto me, See thou do it not: I am thy fellowservant, and of thy brethren that have the testimony of Jesus: worship God: for the testimony of Jesus is the spirit of prophecy. [11] And I saw heaven opened, and behold a white horse; and he that sat upon him was called Faithful and True, and in righteousness he doth judge and make war. [12] His eyes were as a flame of fire, and on his head were many crowns; and he had a name written, that no man knew, but he himself. [13] And he was clothed with a vesture dipped in blood: and his name is called The Word of God. [14] And the armies which were in heaven followed him upon white horses, clothed in fine linen, white and clean. [15] And out of his mouth goeth a sharp sword, that with it he should smite the nations: and he shall rule them with a rod of iron: and he treadeth the winepress of the fierceness and wrath of Almighty God. [16] And he hath on his vesture and on his thigh a name written, KING OF KINGS, AND LORD OF LORDS

The verse 10 above tells us that angels are not to be worshipped. The verse below shows that Jesus is worshipped in heaven even by the 24 Elders in heaven.
If Paul was cautioned by the angel from worshipping the angels ,why would the 24 elders disobey the rule and worship Jesus ,if he were an angel ,as shown below:

Revelation 5:8-14 KJV
And when he had taken the book, the four beasts and four and twenty elders fell down before the Lamb, having every one of them harps, and golden vials full of odours, which are the prayers of saints. [9] And they sung a new song, saying, Thou art worthy to take the book, and to open the seals thereof: for thou wast slain, and hast redeemed us to God by thy blood out of every kindred, and tongue, and people, and nation; [10] And hast made us unto our God kings and priests: and we shall reign on the earth. [11] And I beheld, and I heard the voice of many angels round about the throne and the beasts and the elders: and the number of them was ten thousand times ten thousand, and thousands of thousands; [12] Saying with a loud voice, Worthy is the Lamb that was slain to receive power, and riches, and wisdom, and strength, and honour, and glory, and blessing. [13] And every creature which is in heaven, and on the earth, and under the earth, and such as are in the sea, and all that are in them, heard I saying, Blessing, and honour, and glory, and power, be unto him that sitteth upon the throne, and unto the Lamb for ever and ever. [14] And the four beasts said, Amen. And the four and twenty elders fell down and worshipped him that liveth for ever and ever.

We can see ,as well what is written in d verses below that Jesus is the ONLY BEGOTTEN SON OF GOD .

John 3:16-18 KJV
For God so loved the world, that he gave his ONLY begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life. [17] For God sent not his Son into the world to condemn the world; but that the world through him might be saved. [18] He that believeth on him is not condemned: but he that believeth not is condemned already, because he hath not believed in the name of the only begotten Son of God.

THERE MANY ANGELS BUT ONLY ONE SON OF GOD.

CAPTIVATOR:

Swallow this truth bro .

Malachi 3:1
Douay-Rheims Bible

Behold I send my angel, and he shall
prepare the way before my face. And
presently the Lord, whom you seek, and
The angel of the testament , whom you
desire, shall come to his temple. Behold
he cometh, saith the Lord of hosts


Darby Bible Translation

Behold, I send my messenger, and he
shall prepare the way before me; and
the Lord whom ye seek will suddenly
Come to his temple, and the Angel of
the covenant , whom ye delight in:
behold, he cometh, saith Jehovah of
hosts.

You call this a truth to support your false doctrine, then how can you ignore the first statement which refers to John the Baptist?

Douay-Rheims Bible
"Behold I send my angel, and he shall
prepare the way before my face..."

Darby Bible Translation
"Behold, I send my messenger, and he
shall prepare the way before me;..."

Is John the Baptist an Angel?

ayoku777:


In the book of hebrews, there is a marked difference between the beings called angels and the person called the Son.

Hebrews 1v7-8 -And of the angels he saith, Who maketh his angels spirits, and his ministers a flame of fire.

But unto the Son he saith, Thy throne, O God, is for ever and ever: a sceptre of righteousness is the sceptre of thy kingdom.

This verse clearly shows that the person called the Son is not in the class of those beings called angels.

Angels are called spirits and ministers or ministering spirits. But the Son is called God.

The word "angel" as used in scripture means messenger. Even so, there are beings that are specifically called angels. We are not angels just because we also could be sent of God with a message.

Jesus is not an angel, the Holy Spirit is not an angel and neither are men angels; even though they could be sent of the Father with a message. The name angel is specific to certain spirit beings, not just everyone with a message.

Jesus is God, according to this passage in hebrew; and even John 1v1. Angels are not Gods.

True, there are persons specifically called angels, but this only occurs in English translation. Are there beings specifically called "angels" in the original manuscript of the bible?

Do u disagree that Jesus had gone errand for God before?

2. Read 1Thes 4:16

A. From that portion, who do u think is the archangel? If that archangel is not Jesus, why would Jesus, your almighty God, use the voice of a lesser creature to resurrect the dead? Is Jesus voice powerless?

B. Whose voice is spoken of as the one that will resurrect the dead at john 5:28?

3. Heb 1:8 you quoted is not correctly worded in KJV. Remember that Paul was quoting from psalms 45;6, ànd that psalm is directed to a human king. Now, will we say that this human king is God?

Secondly, read verse 9, see where it says "God, ur God anointed you". Now, if he is God as u posit, how can God have a God? And who can ever anoint God? How can u even anoint him when he is the holy spirit himself?

JMAN05:


True, there are persons specifically called angels, but this only occurs in English translation. Are there beings specifically called "angels" in the original manuscript of the bible?

That's a relative opinion. While there indeed might not be a hebrew term distinguishing the word "angel" from the word used to describe anyone sent as a messenger, because hebrew language could be ambiguous; it is clear however from application that not everyone sent by God with a message is traditionally an angel -a ministering spirit.

The hebrew language is an ambiguous language. It didn't different between the heaven of the atmosphere (where birds fly), or the heavens of the universe (where the sun and the stars are), or the heavens of paradise (where God's throne is); even though they are different. It just calls everything heaven. It is with study you differentiate it yourself.

Hebrew also did not differentiate between spiritual death and physical death, even though they are different, it just calls them death. It is with study you differentiate it yourself.

Same thing here, hebrew doesn't have a word to differentiate between an angel malak and a messenger malak. It simply calls both malak, even though not every messenger is an angel (ministering spirit). It is with study you differentiate traditional angel from a messenger. Hebrew is an ambiguous language.

There are different spirit beings in heaven that are not angels even though they could also be messengers of God. We have the lamb of God, the seven spirits of God, the four living creatures, the 24 elders, the saints and then the angels. There is a marked difference between these beings and "angels", just as there is difference between anyone that can be sent of God and the beings called angels specifically. And the lamb of God is not an angel.

The writer of the book of Hebrews made this clear when he showed that the person called the Son is different from the class of spirit beings traditionally called angels.

Hebrews 1v5 - For unto which of the angels (archangel or regular angels) said He at any time, Thou art my Son, this day have I begotten thee?

This is a rhetorical question; and the obvious answer is "NONE". The writer implied here that there is no angel at all that God, at any time, ever said those words to. Because there is no angel begotten of the Father. Meaning the person God said those words to is not an angel.

JMAN05:


Do u disagree that Jesus had gone errand for God before?

Ofcourse Jesus has been sent of the Father before. But if that is the context in which you want to classify Him as an angel; then all of us are angels in that context. Because Jesus said; as my Father hath sent me, even so send I you -John 20v21.

If you want to imply that everyone who has ever been sent of the Father with a message is an angel; then all the prophets (Moses, Elijah, Elisha, Isaiah, Ezekiel etc) are angles. And all the apostles in the bible are also angels. And every true servant of God alive today is also an angel -going by your generalized definition of the term "angel" to mean anyone sent with a message by the Father.

JMAN05:


2. Read 1Thes 4:16

A. From that portion, who do u think is the archangel? If that archangel is not Jesus, why would Jesus, your almighty God, use the voice of a lesser creature to resurrect the dead? Is Jesus voice powerless?

B. Whose voice is spoken of as the one that will resurrect the dead at john 5:28?

Must the voice of Jesus be powerless for an archangel to do something under Christ's authority? It is also an angel that will bind the Devil and throw him into the bottomless pit for a thousand years at the beginning of the millenial reign. Does that also mean Christ isn't powerful enough to have done it Himself for Him to let an angel do it?

If an angel or archangel speaks or does something under Christ's authority, it is as good as Christ doing it. Even so, that doesn't mean the angel or archangel is Jesus Christ.

The account of Matthew shows that it is the angels that would be sent of Christ to gather the elect.

Matthew 24v31 -And He (Jesus) shall send His angels with a great shout of a trumpet, and they (the angels) shall gather together His elect from the four winds, from one end of heaven to the other.

So the shout, the voice of the archangel, the trump of God are everything that will happen at the coming of Christ. It doesn't mean they would be done by Christ personally or mean that Jesus is the archangel.

Remember Ezekiel at the valley of dry bones. He also spoke under God's authority and the dry bones came alive, the bones heard and obeyed him as the voice of God Himself. Does that mean Ezekiel is God or that God's voice is powerless? It definitly doesn't mean Ezekiel is God anymore than it means that the archangel in 1Thess is Jesus Christ. That's far reaching.

JMAN05:


3. Heb 1:8 you quoted is not correctly worded in KJV. Remember that Paul was quoting from psalms 45;6, ànd that psalm is directed to a human king. Now, will we say that this human king is God?

It is called a messianic prophecy. The Psalmist was talking under the unction and inspiration of the Spirit. The psalm was not directed at a human king. It was talking about Jesus. Remember the psalmist also said,

Thou wilt not leave my soul in hell, nor suffer thine holy one to see corruption -Psalm 16v10

Yet David saw corruption and his soul went to sheol; because the psalm was not directed at him or any other human. It was a messianic prophecy and it was directed at Christ; just like Psalm 45.

JMAN05:


Secondly, read verse 9, see where it says "God, ur God anointed you". Now, if he is God as u posit, how can God have a God? And who can ever anoint God? How can u even anoint him when he is the holy spirit himself?

How can God not have a God? What is the implication of the Father being called "The MostHigh God" or "The God of gods"?

Jesus is God according to many verses in the bible but the Father is also His God according to many verses in the bible. Jesus is God but He has a God. Scripture makes that explicitly clear.

And no, Jesus is not the Holy Spirit. The Holy Spirit is a different person.

Shalom.

^^
-- What are heavenly MESSENGERS of God called ? ANGEL

-- Is Jesus an heavenly messenger from God ? YES, Malachi 3:1

-- so , what are heavenly Messengers of God called ?

CAPTIVATOR:


U ar feelin the sting of truth ... Emotional outburst here and there .

You almost have it,
not, Emotional outburst here and there, but, truth here and there

Contrary to ur words in quote , U declare openly that malak can be used for angel . TRUE OR FALSE !

But in other to close ur eyes to truth .. U deceitly decide not to bold the word angel . And went on to say , the word malak can signify many things apart from " angel" .

My saying malik can mean angel and other things also, is the truth

I never said Jesus Christ is an Angel, and you cannot even admit you lied when shown conclusively.

your twisting is the same as your lying

DOES THE GREEK SCRIPTURE SUPPORT UR HERESY ? no

In matt 11:10 the exact greek word for ANGEL , angelos is used while quoting this same malachi 3:1 , malak was subtituted with greek angelos NOT prophet or doctor !

TRUTH IS LIGHT

Angelos simply means " messenger" .

The english word for angel was derived from angelos . Meaning an angel.

John the Baptist was called a messenger too, but he is not an Angel

You twist away in confusion and haven't a clue.

enilove:


I pray that you do not miss the right way .If what you do or think is that people can search for bible version that agrees with them , then you are not yet a Christian .

Truly, there are Bible versions that contradict with other bible versions, and some people do seek them out because they have some verses translated that agree with their false beliefs.

For instance the KJV Bible for John 1:1 says:
Joh 1:1 In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word [size=14pt]was God[/size].

The NWT Bible says:
John 1:1 In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word [size=14pt]was a god[/size].

The bible does not contradicts itself .

I agree, but man in some instances changes what the Bible says.

People can make mistake but not God .

I agree.

There are things you read that can have multiple meanings ,which can only be explained by the Holy Spirit .

True.

But some are direct and with no ambiguities for you to know

I agree.

Such as :
Hebrews 1:5-10 KJV
For unto which of the angels said he at any time, Thou art my Son, this day have I begotten thee? And again, I will be to him a Father, and he shall be to me a Son? [6] And again, when he bringeth in the firstbegotten into the world, he saith, And let all the angels of God worship him. [7] And of the angels he saith, Who maketh his angels spirits, and his ministers a flame of fire. [8] But unto the Son he saith , Thy throne, O God, is for ever and ever: a sceptre of righteousness is the sceptre of thy kingdom. [9] Thou hast loved righteousness, and hated iniquity; therefore God, even thy God, hath anointed thee with the oil of gladness above thy fellows. [10] And, Thou, Lord, in the beginning hast laid the foundation of the earth; and the heavens are the works of thine hands:

The verse 5 above should make you to understand that Jesus is not an angel .

yes I understand that.

Angels are not to be worshipped

No they are not.

as can be seen in :
Revelation 19:10-16 KJV
And I fell at his feet to worship him. And he said unto me, See thou do it not: I am thy fellowservant, and of thy brethren that have the testimony of Jesus: worship God: for the testimony of Jesus is the spirit of prophecy. [11] And I saw heaven opened, and behold a white horse; and he that sat upon him was called Faithful and True, and in righteousness he doth judge and make war. [12] His eyes were as a flame of fire, and on his head were many crowns; and he had a name written, that no man knew, but he himself. [13] And he was clothed with a vesture dipped in blood: and his name is called The Word of God. [14] And the armies which were in heaven followed him upon white horses, clothed in fine linen, white and clean. [15] And out of his mouth goeth a sharp sword, that with it he should smite the nations: and he shall rule them with a rod of iron: and he treadeth the winepress of the fierceness and wrath of Almighty God. [16] And he hath on his vesture and on his thigh a name written, KING OF KINGS, AND LORD OF LORDS

The verse 10 above tells us that angels are not to be worshipped. The verse below shows that Jesus is worshipped in heaven even by the 24 Elders in heaven.
If Paul was cautioned by the angel from worshipping the angels ,why would the 24 elders disobey the rule and worship Jesus ,if he were an angel[quote]

Yes I agree, Angels are not to be worshipped, and Jesus is not an Angel.


[quote]as shown below:
Revelation 5:8-14 KJV
And when he had taken the book, the four beasts and four and twenty elders fell down before the Lamb, having every one of them harps, and golden vials full of odours, which are the prayers of saints. [9] And they sung a new song, saying, Thou art worthy to take the book, and to open the seals thereof: for thou wast slain, and hast redeemed us to God by thy blood out of every kindred, and tongue, and people, and nation; [10] And hast made us unto our God kings and priests: and we shall reign on the earth. [11] And I beheld, and I heard the voice of many angels round about the throne and the beasts and the elders: and the number of them was ten thousand times ten thousand, and thousands of thousands; [12] Saying with a loud voice, Worthy is the Lamb that was slain to receive power, and riches, and wisdom, and strength, and honour, and glory, and blessing. [13] And every creature which is in heaven, and on the earth, and under the earth, and such as are in the sea, and all that are in them, heard I saying, Blessing, and honour, and glory, and power, be unto him that sitteth upon the throne, and unto the Lamb for ever and ever. [14] And the four beasts said, Amen. And the four and twenty elders fell down and worshipped him that liveth for ever and ever.

We can see ,as well what is written in d verses below that Jesus is the ONLY BEGOTTEN SON OF GOD .

Yes Jesus is the only begotten son of God.

John 3:16-18 KJV
For God so loved the world, that he gave his ONLY begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life. [17] For God sent not his Son into the world to condemn the world; but that the world through him might be saved. [18] He that believeth on him is not condemned: but he that believeth not is condemned already, because he hath not believed in the name of the only begotten Son of God.

THERE MANY ANGELS BUT ONLY ONE SON OF GOD.

Only One Begotten Son of God, yes indeed.

I am wondering why you posted all of this to me though.

By the way I am a Christian, but it doesn't matter to me if some don't think so.

then you are not yet a Christian

JMAN05:


2. Read 1Thes 4:16

A. From that portion, who do u think is the archangel? If that archangel is not Jesus, why would Jesus, your almighty God, use the voice of a lesser creature to resurrect the dead? Is Jesus voice powerless?

B. Whose voice is spoken of as the one that will resurrect the dead at john 5:28?

Why did Jesus use His Angel to give Revelation to John
It is not to ask why
it is to believe God's scriptures.

Secondly, read verse 9, see where it says "God, ur God anointed you". Now, if he is God as u posit, how can God have a God? And who can ever anoint God? How can u even anoint him when he is the holy spirit himself?

God calls the Word God
and the Word call God, God
because God and the Word is God.

Joh 1:1 In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.

And why wouldn't they call each other God and anoint, when they delight in each other.

Pro 8:30 Then I was by him, as one brought up with him: and I was daily his delight, rejoicing always before him;

God and the Word, two persons in One God, believe the scriptures.....or not.

CAPTIVATOR:
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-- What are heavenly MESSENGERS of God called ? ANGEL

-- Is Jesus an heavenly messenger from God ? YES, Malachi 3:1

-- so , what are heavenly Messengers of God called ?

It has all been explained, and with scriptures
but you have been blinded through your unbelief.

For others:
angel is one of the titles messenger means
some other titles that messenger means are:
prophet, priest, teacher, ambassador, king

It is interisting that in the Bible Jesus is called
a prophet, a priest, a teacher, and a king
but Jesus is not called in the Bible an angel.

And of course John the Baptist who is called a messenger in Malachi 3:1 also
is not called an angel in the Bible either
but he is called a prophet.