sonOfLucifer:


Ọdịnala is a panentheistic faith, having a strong central deity at its head. All things spring from this deity. Although semi – pantheon exists in the belief system, as it does in many indigenous African and Eastern religions.
Chukwu is the central deity. Chukwu as the creator of everything (visible and invisible) and the source of other deities is referred to as Chineke. Chukwu is genderless possessing the supreme power in the cosmos control.
To the ancient Igbo, the force that is Chukwu is infinitely powerful that no mmadu (human being) approach this force directly. Also, the force does not impact into our worlds directly but rather through lower force (s). The general truth is that no person can work with or deal with Chukwu directly without passing through the lower force (s). This is why the Igbo people were easily captured by the teachings of the imported western religion which holds that either Christ of Christianity or Mohammed of Islam is a lower force.
The lower force(s) are the outflows from the main stream; sparks from the supreme force that takes forms. They are the incarnations of the almighty Chukwu. Ọdịnala identify these lower forces by their names and use a collective term Arushi to describe them. If an Arushi is assigned to an individual, it becomes a Chi.
The term ‘panentheism’ refer to as a belief system which posits that God personally exists, interpenetrates every part of nature and timelessly extends beyond it. Such interpenetrations in a spiritual view occur as lower deities or Arushi. Ọdịnala therefore, anchored its belief on the existence of only but one Supreme Being: Chukwu (God) and many lower supernatural beings or deities (Arushi).
http://self.gutenberg.org/article/WHEBN0000098929/Odinani

its still the same thing, all the less deities are still being worshipped and sacrificed to, in my town a deity called Ugwu-egbaedem is still being worshiped by few. . . as long as their are many deities involved, it is wrong to call it monotheism cus it is not.

johnydon22:


its still the same thing, all the less deities are still being worshipped and sacrificed to, in my town a deity called Ugwu-egbaedem is still being worshiped by few. . . as long as their are many deities involved, it is wrong to call it monotheism cus it is not.

Is Christianity a monotheistic religion?

sonOfLucifer:

Is Christianity a monotheistic religion?

Oh yes "have no other god before me" And i doubt if u see christians worshipping other deities or offering sacrifices to other deities...

johnydon22:


Oh yes "have no other god before me" And i doubt if u see christians worshipping other deities or offering sacrifices to other deities...

Of course, Jesus, the Hoy Spirit and the saints aren't deities.

sonOfLucifer:

Of course, Jesus, the Hoy Spirit and the saints aren't deities.

Lol...Christianity is a very confused religion... First the saints are not deities just like ancestral spirits are not deities in Odinani.

Some christian sect dont agree in the deity of Jesus, they say he is just a messanger (angel)

Some sects (unitarians) say that jesus is same as yahweh that they are one entity not different entities.

then some sects (trinitarians) say jesus is a different entity buh yet is God along with yahweh and d holy spirit (all different entities)... and in other to hide this blatant polytheistic doctrine, they term the three entities ONE in the Godhead but yet three different entities.

sonOfLucifer:

Scared of not living up to expectations. The experience changes you a bit, things that should matter come into focus.

Not living up to what/whose expectation?

vooks:

Not living up to what/whose expectation?

Mine.

So the white men came to Africa, grabbed this almighty chukwu and threw it inside the garbage can and it stayed there waiting for men to resurrect it?

If this chukwu is almighty as the deluded igbos claim, why did it not stop the white men from crossing to Africa?

Why did it not give the Africans wisdom to fight against the white men?














After reading all this trash, I have finally come to conclude that all gods are man made, not the other way.

emrain:
So the white men came to Africa, grabbed this almighty chukwu and threw it inside the garbage can and it stayed there waiting for men to resurrect it?

If this chukwu is almighty as the deluded igbos claim, why did it not stop the white men from crossing to Africa?

Why did it not give the Africans wisdom to fight against the white men?














After reading all this trash, I have finally come to conclude that all gods are man made, not the other way.

though, there are forces in this world that I'm yet to understand, until then I am God.

the Force that is known as Chukwu in igbo is not igbo property but Caucasians share in its glory. .so do animals and infact everything in existence

this is not like christianity and Islam that creates a delusion that only members are protected and blessed by "God"

The creator is not a partial entity that picks sides or discriminates, humans already have all we need to survive and grow

macof:



the Force that is known as Chukwu in igbo is not igbo property but Caucasians share in its glory. .so do animals and infact everything in existence

this is not like christianity and Islam that creates a delusion that only members are protected and blessed by "God"

The creator is not a partial entity that picks sides or discriminates, humans already have all we need to survive and grow

nice point, but the fact remains, both recorded and unrecorded history of every culture on earth has a story of gods/goddesses from the sky. images of those sky gods/goddesses were being worshipped in Africa before the white man invasions.
the bigger question is - who re those gods/goddesses?
one of the priorities of the first missionaries was to eradicate any trace of such sky visitors, which our naive grandparents saw as 'white man taking our oracles'
in as much as I detest religions as well as god-worship of any kind, I still think we have a very long way to go in the knowledge of our true past.

MrPresident:


nice point, but the fact remains, both recorded and unrecorded history of every culture on earth has a story of gods/goddesses from the sky. images of those sky gods/goddesses were being worshipped in Africa before the white man invasions.
the bigger question is - who re those gods/goddesses?
one of the priorities of the first missionaries was to eradicate any trace of such sky visitors, which our naive grandparents saw as 'white man taking our oracles'
in as far as I detest religions as well as god-worship of any kind, I still think we have a very long way to go in the knowledge of our true past.

that's why I always say Gods/Goddesses don't really exist as they are portrayed but they must be portrayed in some way and what better way than in the image of the people that honor them?

macof:


that's why I always say Gods/Goddesses don't really exist as they are portrayed but they must be portrayed in some way and what better way than in the image of the people that honor them?

All these deities are just personification of nature... E. g Ani(land) is the personification of land (goddess) in igbo culture... All these are just human way of interacting with nature... It doesn't mean that any of these things personified are really conscious entities.

The greek personification of earth is the goddess Gaia.. this doesnt make it true that the goddess gaia is truly a conscious entity, its just the ancient personifying their surrounding and nature the way they understood it..

johnydon22:


All these deities are just personification of nature... E. g Ani(land) is the personification of land (goddess) in igbo culture... All these are just human way of interacting with nature... It doesn't mean that any of these things personified are really conscious entities.

The greek personification of earth is the goddess Gaia.. this doesnt make it true that the goddess gaia is truly a conscious entity, its just the ancient personifying their surrounding and nature the way they understood it..

How can you tell when you are faced with a conscious entity? How can you know that the earth, trees, and even storms are not conscious entities?

PastorAIO:


How can you tell when you are faced with a conscious entity? How can you know that the earth, trees, and even storms are not conscious entities?

Are they?

You are a conscious entity, am sure you know exactly the definition of consciousness is from the human perspective unless you would want consciousness redefined... Am certain you know exactly what i mean by being a conscious entity..

johnydon22:


All these deities are just personification of nature... E. g Ani(land) is the personification of land (goddess) in igbo culture... All these are just human way of interacting with nature... It doesn't mean that any of these things personified are really conscious entities.

The greek personification of earth is the goddess Gaia.. this doesnt make it true that the goddess gaia is truly a conscious entity, its just the ancient personifying their surrounding and nature the way they understood it..

bro while you might choose to disagree there's more than enough reason to believe that the earth and everything in Nature is conscious

johnydon22:


Are they?

You are a conscious entity, am sure you know exactly the definition of consciousness is from the human perspective unless you would want consciousness redefined... Am certain you know exactly what i mean by being a conscious entity..

There's no specific definition for consciousness. . the topic is stil highly debated by philosophers

johnydon22:


Are they?

You are a conscious entity, am sure you know exactly the definition of consciousness is from the human perspective unless you would want consciousness redefined... Am certain you know exactly what i mean by being a conscious entity..

Never able to answer questions directly.

macof:


bro while you might choose to disagree there's more than enough reason to believe that the earth and everything in Nature is conscious

They will never get it. The Earth bore him. The Earth feeds him. The Earth will take him. They are trapped in this world, just like the rest of us.

macof:


bro while you might choose to disagree there's more than enough reason to believe that the earth and everything in Nature is conscious

Oh yes the earth and nature is conscious and you are a part of the earth, you are conscious therefore the earth is conscious...

sonOfLucifer:

They will never get it. The Earth bore him. The Earth feeds him. The Earth will take him. They are trapped in this world, just like the rest of us.

am imagining what you mean by the earth, are you not part of the earth? ....If someone says "the earth" that person is referring to everything in the earth, plant, trees, seas,humans, animals etc... they is nothing like "they are trapped in this world" we are all components of this world... we are the world. its like saying ur eyes is trappped in ur body

johnydon22:


am imagining what you mean by the earth, are you not part of the earth? ....If someone says "the earth" that person is referring to everything in the earth, plant, trees, seas,humans, animals etc... they is nothing like "they are trapped in this world" we are all components of this world... we are the world. its like saying ur eyes is trappped in ur body

So you agree the earth is conscious?

sonOfLucifer:

So you agree the earth is conscious?

I am conscious and i am part of the earth, so Yes the earth is conscious..

Do you now agree that we all are the earth and their is nothing like being trapped in the earth?

johnydon22:


Are they?

You are a conscious entity, am sure you know exactly the definition of consciousness is from the human perspective unless you would want consciousness redefined... Am certain you know exactly what i mean by being a conscious entity..

I asked you a question. If you don't want to answer then just say so, it's no wahala, I'll go on my way.

PastorAIO:


I asked you a question. If you don't want to answer then just say so, it's no wahala, I'll go on my way.

Maybe you can regale me how you recognize consciousness...?

johnydon22:


I am conscious and i am part of the earth, so Yes the earth is conscious..

Do you now agree that we all are the earth and their is nothing like being trapped in the earth?

Permit my curiosity. How do you not believe in a creator, yet accept we all are the earth.
In this context, the creator is a higher power that unites and holda all that we see and do not see. Where this creator is personal or impersonal will serve no purpose in this discussion.

Acts 17.28and in him we live and move and have our being.' As some of your own poets have said, 'We are his offspring.'

sonOfLucifer:

Permit my curiosity. How do you not believe in a creator, yet accept we all are the earth.
In this context, the creator is a higher power that unites and holda all that we see and do not see. Where this creator is personal or impersonal will serve no purpose in this discussion.

Acts 17.28and in him we live and move and have our being.' As some of your own poets have said, 'We are his offspring.'

Lmoa and he brings in the creator in.

How can you not accept we are all the earth when you are in the earth, from the earth and part of the earth? it is like asking why do you accept ur eyes is part of ur body... that to me sounds stupendous..

... Is this creator an entity, independent and alive? or are you referring to nature as the creator?

For you to assume up a creator and throw into the equation, then their is need for u substantiate that claim. . . You must say how you perceived this creator and not just make the claim.

johnydon22:

How can you not accept we are all the earth when you are in the earth, from the earth and part of the earth? it is like asking why do you accept ur eyes is part of ur body... that to me sounds stupendous..

... Is this creator an entity, independent and alive? or are you referring to nature as the creator?

For you to assume up a creator and throw into the equation, then their is need for u substantiate that claim. . . You must say how you perceived this creator and not just make the claim.

You are a long way from home.

sonOfLucifer:
You are a long way from home.

Really, i thought u were curious.. you don't want to let out ur curiosity?

Nice article, very educative...will have to bookmark the source to read up later.

I think this is frontpage worthy; @lalasticlala, ishilove

Space booked ...to comment after Holy Mass at St. Peters Basilica in Rome on Sunday.

His Holiness must hear all this