KingEbukasBlog:




something came out from nothing then

Yes,you being an ignoramus obviously...

davien:
Show me how through relativity you digest food..

because it comprises of bases that can be attributed to 1's and 0's(binary)

data in this sense is a sequence that is repetitive and predictable...you're basically asking a "how" on another "how".... i.e how is laughing laughing?

It's not funny that you have trouble understanding simple statements,it tells of your education..

This guy doesn't even get what I'm trying to do him . You are blind walahi

But seriously you cant compare in any way or form your academic credentials to mine ... so lets focus on the argument

KingEbukasBlog:


This guy doesn't even get what I'm trying to do him . You are blind walahi

But seriously you cant compare in any way or form your academic credentials to mine ... so lets focus on the argument

What argument?....all you've done is keep asking how everything came naturally as though there was a point in time when absolutely nothing existed...

davien:
What argument?....all you've done is keep asking how everything came naturally as though there was a point in time when absolutely nothing existed ...

@ bold -
1.Explain the initial conditions of the big bang then

2.There wouldn't be belief or non-belief in the supernatural then

KingEbukasBlog:


Explain the initial conditions of the big bang then

The big bang a.k.a inflation is the earliest observable instance of the universe....unless you've seen before that?

KingEbukasBlog:


2.There wouldn't be belief or non-belief in the supernatural then

Explain what you mean by this please...

davien:
The big bang a.k.a inflation is the earliest observable instance of the universe..

..unless you've seen before that?

You dont even get it , do you?

@ bold - one of the explanations of the existence of God

KingEbukasBlog:


You dont even get it , do you?

@ bold - one of the explanations of the existence of God

davien:
Explain what you mean by this please...

We are talking of the beginning of life here . Look farther than the big bang ... what do you see ? Use your imagination . Forget science !

davien:

If the cause of the beginning of life is certain then we all should be either atheists or theists

Why are you an atheist

Why am I a christian

KingEbukasBlog:



We are talking of the beginning of life here . Look farther than the big bang ... what do you see ? Use your imagination . Forget science !

lol!....Now i see where your thinking comes from,excuse me while i take my leave.

would reply when i wake up..

davien:
lol!....Now i see where your thinking comes from,excuse me while i take my leave.

would reply when i wake up..

Lolz... I hope you've seen why I called you blind ... I wanted the whole thing to boil down to "I dont know" ... I completely understood whatever explanation you were giving

KingEbukasBlog:



Lolz... I hope you've seen why I called you blind ... I wanted the whole thing to boil down to "I dont know"

And in truth i don't know what happened before that or if there's a discern-able "before" to begin with...that's an answer based on honest evaluations,you on the other hand assert a living breathing magical male being(fully equiped with an unusable p.enis) stays there and had always been there because a 2000 year old book patched from numerous unidentified authors from different time periods and voted on for what ought to be compiled into says so... a.k.a gullibilty

davien:
And in truth i don't know what happened before that or if there's a discern-able "before" to begin with...that's an answer based on honest evaluations,you on the other hand assert a living breathing magical male being(fully equiped with an unusable p.enis) stays there and had always been there because a 2000 year old book patched from numerous unidentified authors from different time periods and voted on for what ought to be compiled into says so... a.k.a gullibilty

Oh davien ... understand who Christians call God and why we hold fast to the belief in Him . You just gave a wrong perception @ bold . *sigh* read my little explanation in my response to thehomer 's question "did God create humans with hands" . It should help


Watch www.chosen.tv around 11: 30 pm today

KingEbukasBlog:


Oh davien ... understand who Christians call God and why we hold fast to the belief in Him . You just gave a wrong perception @ bold . *sigh* read my little explanation in my response to thehomer 's question "did God create humans with hands" . It should help

Christians themselves do not understand what they call god,if they did there wouldn't be more than 10,000 denominations of them who disagree on every point..

Here's a question....Are we saved by grace or do we attain it by faith?

davien:
Christians themselves do not understand what they call god,if they did there wouldn't be more than 10,000 denominations of them who disagree on every point..

First that is an exaggeration

Secondly , 2 Timothy 4:3

For the time will come when they will not endure sound doctrine; but after their own lusts shall they heap to themselves teachers, having itching ears;

Everyone wants to serve God in their own way , leaving out sound doctrine . Either way that is no reason to disprove the existence of God

Romans 2
1: Therefore thou art inexcusable, O man, whosoever thou art that judgest: for wherein thou judgest another, thou condemnest thyself; for thou that judgest doest the same things.

6 : Who will render to every man according to his deeds:

16 :In the day when God shall judge the secrets of men by Jesus Christ according to my gospel.

There is a purpose why you are existing and you will be judged according to your works on earth . Forget denomination whatever its the same God

davien:
Here's a question....Are we saved by grace or do we attain it by faith?

Ephesians 2:8

8 For by grace are ye saved through faith; and that not of yourselves: it is the gift of God

@ davien ... just live a good life and believe in God . God is smart enough to know if you are qualified or not

KingEbukasBlog:


Ephesians 2:8

which is it,faith...gift from god or the grace of god or all three?

KingEbukasBlog:
@ davien ... just live a good life and believe in God . God is smart enough to know if you are qualified or not

I am living a good life(to the best of my knowledge),why do i need a belief for that life to be justified?

davien:
I am living a good life(to the best of my knowledge),why do i need a belief for that life to be justified?

1.You have not acknowledged God

2.John 14:6

6 Jesus saith unto him, I am the way, the truth, and the life: no man cometh unto the Father, but by me

.

3. The Holy Spirit gives you that assurance of salvation . It cant be explained ; its ineffable

KingEbukasBlog:


1.You have not acknowledged God

2.John 14:6

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3. The Holy Spirit gives you that assurance of salvation . It cant be explained ; its ineffable

Okay...tell the holy spirit i'm not swindled by words but actions....

davien:
which is it,faith...gift from god or the grace of god or all three?

Hmmm ... davien . I see you

Hebrews 11:1

11 Now faith is the substance of things hoped for, the b1. evidence of things not seen.

faith

a complete b2. trust or confidence in someone or something

you are smart enough to relate b1 and b2

KingEbukasBlog:


Hmmm ... davien . I see you

Hebrews 11:1

11 Now faith is the substance of things hoped for, the b1. evidence of things not seen.

faith

a complete b2. trust or confidence in someone or something

you are smart enough to relate b1 and b2

You can hope all day and put your trust in harry potter(the book),it won't make a broomstick into a wand...same goes for believing that which has no support...it is sheer gullibilty


"gullibility - tendency to believe too readily and therefore to be easily deceived

http://www.thefreedictionary.com/gullibility

davien:
Okay...tell the holy spirit i'm not swindled by words but actions....

1 Peter 5:6

6 Humble yourselves therefore under the mighty hand of God, that he may exalt you in due time:

James 4:10

10 Humble yourselves in the sight of the Lord, and he shall lift you up.

What must you do before the action takes place "Humble yourself "

Psalm 18:25

25 With the merciful thou wilt shew thyself merciful; with an upright man thou wilt shew thyself upright;

KingEbukasBlog:


1 Peter 5:6

6 Humble yourselves therefore under the mighty hand of God, that he may exalt you in due time:

James 4:10

10 Humble yourselves in the sight of the Lord, and he shall lift you up.

What must you do before the action takes place "Humble yourself "

Psalm 18:25

25 With the merciful thou wilt shew thyself merciful; with an upright man thou wilt shew thyself upright;

I appreciate that you've spent time and mb writing or copying/pasting that,but you and i know i don't regard that as anything valuable...

KingEbukasBlog:


Am not sure you really understand the true purpose of science or religion . Christians understand both and its clearly evident on this thread .
And please can you show me through science how

1. Something came from nothing without a cause and begat everything

2 How life came from inorganic matter (non living )

... or wait... isn't that "magic"? ... never mind

1. wouldn't that be a miracle?

2. where could life have come from? spiritual forces?

davien:
You can hope all day and put your trust in harry potter(the book),it won't make a broomstick into a wand...same goes for believing that which has no support...it is sheer gullibilty


"gullibility - tendency to believe too readily and therefore to be easily deceived

http://www.thefreedictionary.com/gullibility

Its not being gullible your kind of "gullible" ; its being knowledgeable
Look at this :
Hosea 4:6 a

6 My people are destroyed for lack of knowledge:


And again

When "God" is said , basic descriptions of Him should come to mind

→ Supreme Being
→ Creator
→Wonder worker
→ Highly intelligent being

If these are understood , then you have no problem . Can this be proven outside the bible? Yes and BASICALLY

→Existence , Design and Complexity of life forms
→Miracles
→Effects of His Power on Nature
→Personal Experiences

By the way Ive witnessed and received miracles before . Unless you have another explanation of how pains or sickness on several occasions chose the time of prayer to disappear and never return then Im all ears .

Just humble yourself and find the truth yourself . Science is just a plain of how of explaining the works of God . Dont get it twisted .

davien:
I appreciate that you've spent time and mb writing or copying/pasting that.

Copying and pasting ?

Its simple . I remember a phrase in the passage of the bible I google it with "biblegetaway" beside as a keyword and it shows me the exact verse . Some christians know these passages off hand though .

By the way I was downloading modern family season 4 some episodes sha , it just felt right to discuss with you . Incase you were flattered by the time I used in engaging in the conversation with you

but you and i know i don't regard that as anything valuable...

Your decision , I hope it wont become too late when you realize the truth . No one will be judged for your own actions . You alone will face the consequences

Cheers !

KingEbukasBlog:


Am not sure you really understand the true purpose of science or religion . Christians understand both and its clearly evident on this thread .
And please can you show me through science how

1. Something came from nothing without a cause and begat everything

2 How life came from inorganic matter (non living )

... or wait... isn't that "magic"? ... never mind

What is the true purpose of science? Almost everything of value that we know as humans we know through science. It is through science that we gotvto know how to cultivate food, preserve it, shelter and cloth ourselves, treat our selves from diseases , ease the way we do things like transport ourselves, communicate with each other and run a good and more efficient society. What jas religion given man beside the need to belief in mythical stories and rally round them.

The DNA, what it is made up and how it functions was discovered by science and only science can tell us about its origin . Life has been explained very well only through science, No religion comes cllose in terms of its explanatory ability. The writers of your bible don't know anything about how life began. They know nothing about how the planet came about. Read the thrash they cooked up in genesis. Science has nothing to do with the various religious myth. Science is very glad to say it doesn't know. During the time that your bible was written the writers thought the heart controlled reasoning and they said peoeple think and reason with their hearts until science showed us that we reason with our brains. How did life come from non life? I don't know. How did life come about in general? I don't know and so do you. That is the fact. We both don't know. You only chose to accept the unverified mythical narratives of some ancient men who thought that earth was the center of the universe and their God's most cherished creation. Science is real, it is universal. We are using the proceeds of science to communicate through this medium. Religion is fictitious, it is not universal and has never been used to better the lot of any group of people the way science has. Science is the only true.mechanism that has thought us and will continue to teach us the truth about the universe and the world we.live in not religion that we all.know was founded on mythology and fiction.

KingEbukasBlog:


By the way Ive witnessed and received miracles before . Unless you have another explanation of how pains or sickness on several occasions chose the time of prayer to disappear and never return then Im all ears .
Just humble yourself and find the truth yourself . Science is just a plain of how of explaining the works of God . Dont get it twisted .

Two things. It's either the pains went away as a result of placebo effect something that has been documented to be real. Pastors, Hindu gurus, Islamic marabouts and loyal traditional healers all take advantage of the placebo effect or you are simply telling lies which is actually what most faith healers do. A lot have been exposed as liars that employ cheap tricks used by magicians to beguile their church members. Faith healing has been studied and documented and has shown to be fake. Why can't God heal amputees and restore their limbs back? Because you can't fake the healing of an amputated limb.

The meaning of literally ought to be quite clear.

Its not the same thing as virtually, which is what some here are trying to redefine it as.