SIRcumalot:

So who is the better player if we put both of them in a vacuum ?
Seems to me that Busquets only excels in one particular system ?
Take away the bullshit tiki taka wetin remain for busquets ?

What do you mean by when we put them in a vacuum?

Who is a better player between John terry and Gerrard when we put them in a vacuum

How do you know Busquets excel in only one system? Does Messi, iniesta, Xavi all excel in only one system?

Nihilist:
I will pick Toure over Busquets in my 11 anyday.

This fawning over busquets is something I don't actually get. The guy is good no doubt, but plays for a team containing some of the best players in world football.

He's very slow, not particularly good in the air, and isn't particularly strong either. He is a deep lying playmaker that plays in a possession based team.

Let us see him do it outside Barca/Spain, playing for a team doesn't average 70% ball possession per season, and actually has to defend for once...before we label him the Jesus Christ of DM jare.

Hype Hype Hype on this board.

Is Busquets the best DM? Yes, he is.

Is Yaya the best box to box player?

raumdeuter:


I am not responsible for what you understand

Yaya's poor defensive midfield attribute is what made all coaches to move him away from the position

Under which coach has he played DM, Pep chased him away, Mancini didn't play him there, Pellegrini didn't play him there

yet he is a good and the best defensive midfielder

The best defensive midfielder who doesn't even play the position

It would be asking for too much to expect someone who thinks a player he calls the best DM who hasnt even play DM for over 6yrs to understand basic English. Someone who thinks a deep lying playmaker is a DM

Manuel Neuer is the best right winger, only that he hasnt payed that position.

Pirlo is the best attcking midfielder only that his coaches havent played him there for over a decade

First act responsibly by apologizing for telling lie that dejong was bought because yaya toure could nt play DM. For once accept you are a crook. You were not following these players that's why you give ridiculous opinions too. You can read responses of sensible people in graphics below.
Meanwhile everyone knows yaya is not playing dm again at man city, that's not my argument. My argument with you was that Sergio busquet was not better than yaya toure in 2009/2010 when yaya was a DM and pushed out. It's as simple as that. He was booted out because of nepotism and I gave video evidence of his performances. Also LFB rated yaya above your busquets that same year. I hope you can understand now and stop shouting busquet was better .

Nihilist:
I will pick Toure over Busquets in my 11 anyday.

This fawning over busquets is something I don't actually get. The guy is good no doubt, but plays for a team containing some of the best players in world football.

He's very slow, not particularly good in the air, and isn't particularly strong either. He is a deep lying playmaker that plays in a possession based team.

As a DM Busquets in top 2 in the World

As a Box to Box Yaya is not top 3 anywhere

I would never include yaya in my team. he is one of the reason City sucks in Europe he lacks positional intelligence and depends on physical attributes a lot which is why he gets molested by any decent CM in Europe

In the CL for the past 5 seasons we are still waiting for yaya to show up

Let us see him do it outside Barca/Spain, playing for a team doesn't average 70% ball possession per season, and actually has to defend for once...before we label him the Jesus Christ of DM jare.

Hype Hype Hype on this board.

This is a silly opinion

have you seen messi, Xavi Iniesta do it outside barca/Spain

Have you seen lahm, Muller, Schweini Do it outside Germany/Bayern?

Have you seen Terry, Gerrard, lampard, Rooney do it outside England or their clubs

Have you seen totti do it outside Roma/Italy

Debroslink:


Is Busquets the best DM? Yes, he is.

Is Yaya the best box to box player?

Based on?

You might as well call Puyol/Pique/Macsherano/Abidal/Alba the best defenders in the world.

Valdes was also the world best keeper.

Abi what is this rubbish?

Overhyping the defensive component of a team that averages 70% possession per season.

Nihilist:


Based on?

You might as well call Puyol/Pique/Macsherano/Abidal/Alba the best defenders in the world.

Valdes was also the world best keeper.

Abi what is this rubbish?

Overhyping the defensive component of a team that averages 70% possession per season.

No one has ever reffered to those as best in their position

yet busquet has been referred to by many coaches and analysts as the best DM by a mile

Though sergio busquets has improved unlike when he was playacting and no more diving but yaya was better in strenght and pace that 2009/2010. sergio was encouraged because of la masia policy. Football has evolved now, i am afraid he will turn another valdes in man utd, if busquets leave for a team not used to our tiki taka style. last year modric was best DM because he was more enterprising than sergio.

raumdeuter:


As a DM Busquets in top 2 in the World

As a Box to Box Yaya is not top 3 anywhere

I would never include yaya in my team. he is one of the reason City sucks in Europe he lacks positional intelligence and depends on physical attributes a lot which is why he gets molested by any decent CM in Europe

In the CL for the past 5 seasons we are still waiting for yaya to show up



This is a silly opinion

have you seen messi, Xavi Iniesta do it outside barca/Spain

Have you seen lahm, Muller, Schweini Do it outside Germany/Bayern?

Have you seen Terry, Gerrard, lampard, Rooney do it outside England or their clubs

Have you seen totti do it outside Roma/Italy

Except we can SEE these guys...We can SEE their exploits. We can point to their goals, their assists, their individual awards.

Anybody that says they can see Busquets the same way is a liar. The TV Camera focuses on wherever the action is, and when Barca have 70% possesion, what defensive work is Busquets doing? And what camera is showing it?

Abeg stop romanticizing Busquets. Put the Defensive Midfielder in a team where he actually has to Defend, before you name him king.

raumdeuter:


No one has ever reffered to those as best in their position

yet busquet has been referred to by many coaches and analysts as the best DM by a mile

Google each name there followed by best and see what you find

Negro please.

raumdeuter:


No one has ever reffered to those as best in their position

yet busquet has been referred to by many coaches and analysts as the best DM by a mile

Has he been rated as best DM by laliga organizing body LFB? If no then you should just keep it shut.

Nihilist:


Based on?

You might as well call Puyol/Pique/Macsherano/Abidal/Alba the best defenders in the world.

Valdes was also the world best keeper.

Abi what is this rubbish?

Overhyping the defensive component of a team that averages 70% possession per season.

Busquets is the one that covers the azzez of Xavi and Iniesta. These are players that can't tackle or stop a counter attack. Busquets has done that times without number.

Pique is not the best defender in the world, Valdes is not the best keeper either. Busquets is one of the main reasons Barcelona concede the fewest number of goals in Europe.

Nihilist:


Except we can SEE these guys...We can SEE their exploits. We can point to their goals, their assists, their individual awards.

Anybody that says they can see Busquets the same way is a liar. The TV Camera focuses on wherever the action is, and when Barca have 70% possesion, what defensive work is Busquets doing? And what camera is showing it?

Abeg stop romanticizing Busquets. Put the Defensive Midfielder in a team where he actually has to Defend, before you name him king.

Do we put an Attacking player in a team that attacks before we can call him king e.g Hazard?

busquets is the best DM in the world for the past 5 years.

where yaya toure excels is his ability to bust forward and score vital goals. busquets don't need that cos he has some of the best creators in the world alongside him. the job of a DM is to prevent goals.....scoring is an added tax for them(a secondary role). anyone who feels yaya defends better than busquets needs to go to specsavers.

airmark:



Has he been rated as best DM by laliga organizing body LFB? If no then you should just keep it shut.

Mention the list of best DM by LFB since 2010

remember strictly a list of best DM

Nihilist:


Google each name there followed by best and see what you find

Negro please.

put 3 articles that name each of Pique/ Valdez/ Abidal as best in their position

Debroslink:


Busquets is one of the main reasons Barcelona concede the fewest number of goals in Europe.

You should be analyzing snake and ladder game not soccer. Have you heard the slogan " Attack is the best form of defence" before? That's what have been working for barca over the years. They have the best offensive play and retain ball more than anyone. So opponents have little chances of going all out to attack them. Please watch video below:


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=m5EZTx1IhGY

Nihilist:
I will pick Toure over Busquets in my 11 anyday.

This fawning over busquets is something I don't actually get. The guy is good no doubt, but plays for a team containing some of the best players in world football.

He's very slow, not particularly good in the air, and isn't particularly strong either. He is a deep lying playmaker that plays in a possession based team.

Let us see him do it outside Barca/Spain, playing for a team doesn't average 70% ball possession per season, and actually has to defend for once...before we label him the Jesus Christ of DM jare.

Hype Hype Hype on this board.

Oya name a better Defensive Midfielder in the world atm?

No one is saying(at least I know i'm not) Sergio is the better footballer. But as far as the DM position goes, Sergio is KING.

Nihilist:
I will pick Toure over Busquets in my 11 anyday.

This fawning over busquets is something I don't actually get. The guy is good no doubt, but plays for a team containing some of the best players in world football.

He's very slow, not particularly good in the air, and isn't particularly strong either. He is a deep lying playmaker that plays in a possession based team.

Let us see him do it outside Barca/Spain, playing for a team doesn't average 70% ball possession per season, and actually has to defend for once...before we label him the Jesus Christ of DM jare.

Hype Hype Hype on this board.

I humbly beg to disagree with the bolded, if you consider Busquests slow what verb would aptly describe Yaya's pace on the field especially when his team is hunting for possession? Between both who is faster?

How do you gauge strength? By apperance I presume based on the bolded, Busquets wins tackles effortlessly, it's about intelligence and timing more than physical strength in today's football.

raumdeuter:


Do we put an Attacking player in a team that attacks before we can call him king e.g Hazard?

An attacker, attacks simple

Busquet gets the hype because of his distribution, and performance as a deep lying playmaker, and not because he has to defend.

In a 90 minute match, his team holds the ball on average for 63 whole minutes. How can the other team hurt them?

Barcelona don't need a DM because they defend by possession.

raumdeuter:


put 3 articles that name each of Pique/ Valdez/ Abidal as best in their position

Valdes was goalkeeper of the year in la liga 2009/2010 and 2010/2011

Pique was best defender of the year in la liga 2009/2010

Abidal was best defender of the year in laliga 2011


You know nothing about soccer .

Since this is the home thread of Chealsea FC I want to ask this question

Who would you rather pick to play the defensive midfield position if Yaya Toure and Matic both played for Chealsea FC?

airmark:


You should be analyzing snake and ladder game not soccer. Have you heard the slogan " Attack is the best form of defence" before? That's what have been working for barca over the years. They have the best offensive play and retain ball more than anyone. So opponents have little chances of going all out to attack them. Please watch video below:

Story for the gods... Did you comprehend my 1st paragraph?

raumdeuter:


What do you mean by when we put them in a vacuum?

Who is a better player between John terry and Gerrard when we put them in a vacuum

How do you know Busquets excel in only one system? Does Messi, iniesta, Xavi all excel in only one system?

Examine them outside of the team concept.
Because barca's brand of football is suitable to a particular kind of player which Busquets his.
He hasn't shown anything to suggest he'll triumph outside this system.
Yaya did well with barca only got replaced by a player that better suits the system not a better overall player.

Nihilist:


An attacker, attacks simple

Busquet gets the hype because of his distribution, and performance as a deep lying playmaker, and not because he has to defend.

In a 90 minute match, his team holds the ball on average for 63 whole minutes. How can the other team hurt them?

Barcelona don't need a DM because they defend by possession.

Barca doesnt attack for 90mins, The opponent attacks them too and its the awareness of Busquets that snuffs out attacks

Dont google "Busquetsbest" rather google "best Defensive midfielders" and check the results from different websites

Now google best keeper is Valdes comes as a result or best left back if Abidal comes out

Roland17:
Since this is the home thread of Chealsea FC I want to ask this question

Who would you rather pick to play the defensive midfield position if Yaya Toure and Matic both played for Chealsea FC?

This is what I expect a true Chelsea fan to debate about... Busquets vs Matic (they won't because they know the truth)

Will Yaya bench Matic if he plays a DM position for Chelsea?

Roland17:


I humbly beg to disagree with the bolded, if you consider Busquests slow what verb would aptly describe Yaya's pace on the field especially when his team is hunting for possession? Between both who is faster?

How do you gauge strength? By apperance I presume based on the bolded, Busquets wins tackles effortlessly, it's about intelligence and timing more than physical strength in today's modern football.

I'm not concerned in a Yaya v Busquets comparison as they perform different duties for their clubs.

SIRcumalot:

Examine them outside of the team concept.
Because barca's brand of football is suitable to a particular kind of player which Busquets his.
He hasn't shown anything to suggest he'll triumph outside this system.
Yaya did well with barca only got replaced by a player that better suits the system not a better overall player.

This same trash was said of Messi prior 2013; that he can't play without the guidance of Xavi and Iniesta.

Try another trick. This one is stale.

SIRcumalot:

Examine them outside of the team concept.
Because barca's brand of football is suitable to a particular kind of player which Busquets his.
He hasn't shown anything to suggest he'll triumph outside this system.
Yaya did well with barca only got replaced by a player that better suits the system not a better overall player.

A first-choice for club and country, Busquets' predominant role is to maintain his position behind Xavi Hernandez and Andres Iniesta, dispossess the opposition and pass the ball to his more creative teammates. A penchant for overreacting to fouls can infuriate the opposition, but this does not diminish his overall contribution. A product of the club’s La Masia youth academy and one of the best holding midfielders in the world, Busquets is the master of the simple pass

http://worldsoccer.about.com/od/players/tp/Ten-Of-The-Best-Defensive-Midfielders-In-The-World.htm

Sergio Busquets – Barcelona

It’s hard to stand out and earn praise in a side that includes Lionel Messi, Andres Iniesta and Neymar, but Busquets does just that. He provides the backbone to the most exhilarating attacking force in world football, and his role is equally as vital as the men in front of him. Busquets virtually never gives the ball away, enjoys a physical battle, and knows how to trick a referee, too! At the moment, there are no better defensive midfielders around.

http://www.caughtoffside.com/2014/10/01/ten-best-defensive-midfielders-in-the-world-chelseas-nemanja-matic-no-2-after-excellent-start-to-season-possible-arsenal-free-transfer-included/10/

Those are two well known football sites and thats what they have to say

Debroslink:


This same trash was said of Messi prior 2013; that he can't play without the guidance of Xavi and Iniesta.

Try another trick. This one is stale.

http://www.bleacherreport.com/articles/1963670-comparing-barcelonas-yaya-toure-to-manchester-citys-yaya-toure

That should get my point across.

SIRcumalot:

Examine them outside of the team concept.
Because barca's brand of football is suitable to a particular kind of player which Busquets his.
He hasn't shown anything to suggest he'll triumph outside this system.
Yaya did well with barca only got replaced by a player that better suits the system not a better overall player.

Can you also say the same about Iniesta, Xavi, Messi

Have you seen them perform outside the Barca brand of football? Have you seen Lahm, Schweinsteiger, Muller Neuer perform outside the Bayern/Germany brand of football? Have you seen Terry,Lampard, Gerrard Rooney perform outside the England type of football?

raumdeuter:



A first-choice for club and country, Busquets' predominant role is to maintain his position behind Xavi Hernandez and Andres Iniesta, dispossess the opposition and pass the ball to his more creative teammates. A penchant for overreacting to fouls can infuriate the opposition, but this does not diminish his overall contribution. A product of the club’s La Masia youth academy and one of the best holding midfielders in the world, Busquets is the master of the simple pass

http://worldsoccer.about.com/od/players/tp/Ten-Of-The-Best-Defensive-Midfielders-In-The-World.htm



http://www.caughtoffside.com/2014/10/01/ten-best-defensive-midfielders-in-the-world-chelseas-nemanja-matic-no-2-after-excellent-start-to-season-possible-arsenal-free-transfer-included/10/

Those are two well known football sites and thats what they have to say

Tell us when LFB gave busqit best DM in la liga. That's more authoritative and enough to make us give him standing ovation don't act like a f00l.

Look at the Chart below.

Now I'm not trying to say that Schneirderlin and Matic and Or Vidal are better than Busquets...though they very well might be.

But look below, All 3 midfielders bested Busquets for core defensive statistics last season...WHY?

Because they had to DEFEND more.

Each of those 3 had to make more tackles, more interceptions, and more blocks per 90 minutes than Busquets.

When we look at the totals, the picture becomes clearer.

Morgan Schneiderlin played 300 minutes less than Busquets, but had to make more total tackles, interceptions, and clearances than the spaniard, because well Morgan has to DEFEND

I'm sure I dont need to post any stats to show that Busquets bests those in Pass Completion Stats though.

Put Busquets in a passing team, and he will shine as a passing midfielder. I have not seen anything else to suggest he is the best DEFENSIVE midfielder. emphasis on defensive.

*Drops mike on Dayo's coconut head*