CaptainJune:


She said



What she meant by this is that people have taken paths, dark, diabolic paths that are in violation of the commandments of God by their exercise of choice. Everything is about choice. Being a saint or a satanist boils down to choice of who to serve.



The bacteria question? I have given an answer to that already.

Is a Muslim a witch or Satanist? I ask because the Muslim God has different rules from the Christian God. Do you consider yourself a saint? By Muslim standards, believing God has a son through a virgin is blasphemy.

musKeeto:

Your desperate search for attention is amusing.

on the "conscience" thread ( you remember ? ) ... you mentioned me ... using your logic , you were desperate for my attention - a kind of thought from a 4 yr-old child .

Strike 2 !

KingEbukasBlog:



on the "conscience" thread ( you remember ? ) ... you mentioned me ... using your logic , you were desperate for my attention - a kind of thought from a 4 yr-old child .

Strike 2 !

king ewuka, hapum aka biko.

musKeeto:

You've failed to show how. You are the one making baseless comparisons.


I disagree. It testifies of God's absence. There is not an iota of evidence of God or any other celestial being. There is evidence for a great ball of fire which provides energy. We call it the sun. Can you provide any evidence for your God?

What kind of evidence of God are you talking about? An autobiography of God, His one-on-one interview with Christiane Amanpour, a selfie of God, His birth certificate, a patent claim of His invention of the world, His DNA results, companies or industries built by Him, a video of Him creating the universe, what form of evidence do you have in mind?

Shows how little you know about evolution. Evolution doesn't say man was created neither does it address how life/consciousness originated. Evolution is not an atheistic argument, it is a scientific one. If you have a problem with the theory of evolution, address your questions to the proper people. There are Christians and atheists on this board who are more knowledgeable than me on such topics. NOTE that even if evolution is discredited years from now, it still wouldn't be evidence for God.

Since you have admitted your limited knowledge of evolution, I will put it aside.

Through the mystery of faith .

Faith? How does that rationalize the existence of Zeus?

CaptainJune:


What kind of evidence of God are you talking about? An autobiography of God, His one-on-one interview with Christiane Amanpour, a selfie of God, His birth certificate, a patent claim of His invention of the world, His DNA results, companies or industries built by Him, a video of Him creating the universe, what form of evidence do you have in mind?

You are the one making the claims. Not me. The ipad in your hands is not evidence that Steve Jobs lives.

musKeeto:

Is a Muslim a witch or Satanist? I ask because the Muslim God has different rules from the Christian God. Do you consider yourself a saint? By Muslim standards, believing God has a son through a virgin is blasphemy.

The OP talked about belief in the existence of God as revealed in the Bible. Thoniameek's post was as a result of that stated belief, as well as her reference to witches and wizards. Muslim Allah does not come into play here.

musKeeto:

You are the one making the claims. Not me. The ipad in your hands is not evidence that Steve Jobs lives.

There are many pieces of evidence of God. Not as the world demands, nevertheless, physical manifestations of God's Presence, existence, power and authority.

He is not a man that has a date of birth, human parents, is subject to the physical laws of creation, has fingerprints, lives in a house of brick or wood, hunts animals for food, and the rest of actions and characteristics that define man. God is not a man, therefore you cannot provide a physical evidence of His existence the way you identify man.

However, the non-scientific evidence of His Presence leaves one without a doubt of His eternal existence. We Christians don't serve a God of wood or stone, neither do we serve a myth. God is real, more real than the world around you. He makes His Presence felt, known, seen as He chooses. To begin, the Word of God is more than just pages of history. It is alive and ever dependable as the first time it was written. This is because God is always watching His Word to fulfill it. That is why it never stales or decays 50 billion plus years from today. It's supernatural. The evidence of God begins from His Word into our daily lives. He is unseen but His acts are seen, acts that science finds very very difficult to explain. He created science. How can science explain Him? Very impossible. The Bible is true, whether you accept it or not. Another evidence is the fact that no other gods in the universe can do what God does. God is the only Person known to do what defies understanding both in the past and in the present. No other god compares. Jesus is the God of gods, the God of creation, and the God of science.

CaptainJune:


The OP talked about belief in the existence of God as revealed in the Bible. Thoniameek's post was as a result of that stated belief, as well as her reference to witches and wizards. Muslim Allah does not come into play here.

Oh good, all other Gods none and void. My bad.

CaptainJune:
The Bible is true, whether you accept it or not.

There is no point having this conversation with you. You possess the Truth of the Universe. Damn the world and all other differing ideologies.

Thoniameek,a virus can invade a cell because it possesses the genes to do so....where do those genes come from?

If you believe god creates everything...then it would logically follow that god gives viruses the genes necessary to attack human cells..

musKeeto:

king ewuka, hapum aka biko.

Lol.

Ewu-ka indeed.


But please pardon him. He is a teenager.
It is the just the impetuousity of youth.

CaptainJune:


There are many pieces of evidence of God. Not as the world demands, nevertheless, physical manifestations of God's Presence, existence, power and authority.

He is not a man that has a date of birth, human parents, is subject to the physical laws of creation, has fingerprints, lives in a house of brick or wood, hunts animals for food, and the rest of actions and characteristics that define man. God is not a man, therefore you cannot provide a physical evidence of His existence the way you identify man.

However, the non-scientific evidence of His Presence leaves one without a doubt of His eternal existence. We Christians don't serve a God of wood or stone, neither do we serve a myth. God is real, more real than the world around you. He makes His Presence felt, known, seen as He chooses. To begin, the Word of God is more than just pages of history. It is alive and ever dependable as the first time it was written. This is because God is always watching His Word to fulfill it. That is why it never stales or decays 50 billion plus years from today. It's supernatural. The evidence of God begins from His Word into our daily lives. He is unseen but His acts are seen, acts that science finds very very difficult to explain. He created science. How can science explain Him? Very impossible. The Bible is true, whether you accept it or not. Another evidence is the fact that no other gods in the universe can do what God does. God is the only Person known to do what defies understanding both in the past and in the present. No other god compares. Jesus is the God of gods, the God of creation, and the God of science.

The wonders of sundayschool.

Thoniameek:


Out of context!

The bible never contradicts itself if read in contexts....

Apply the rules of hermeneutical studies, there're eight ( of them:

1. The rule of definition
2. The rule of usage
3. The rule of CONTEXT
4. The rule of historical background
5. The rule of logic
6. The rule of inference
7. The rule of genre judgment
8. The rule of independence of the Holy Spirit

Lol.
So god inspired stone-age scribes with your 8 rules of hermeneutical studies , and then expected same stone-age readers of the bible to use same rules to understand the bible?

Hhhhmm. I must have missed the lesson on hermeneutical rules at sunday school.

It's funny, because just yesterday, another christian was telling that I needed the holy spiri spiri to understand the bible in proper context.

Or, Maybe hermeneutical rules is perhaps the Greek or Hebrew translation of Holy spiri spiri.

What do you think Thoniameek?

Gosh!!
There is nothing I will not hear from christotards in this religilous section.

davien:
Thoniameek,a virus can invade a cell because it possesses the genes to do so....where do those genes come from?

I should be asking you that..... You know I would say it got it enablement from the creator, but science would say something else.

Where do you think it got its genes? From it's environment? Oh! It grew and conform with it's inhabitants to survive? I don't know - tell me Davien

Thoniameek:


I should be asking you that..... You know I would say it got it enablement from the creator, but science would say something else.

Where do you think it got its genes? From it's environment? Oh! It grew and conform with it's inhabitants to survive? I don't know - tell me Davien

Okay so according to you,your god "enabled" Ebola to possess the genes with which it killed hundreds of innocent people for some unknown reason.....what a sadistic belief!

And science isn't synonymous with atheism,but the scientific answer is because a virus changes over time or evolves,and with each change,a type emerges with a mix of genes that can attack a specific type of cell of closely related species.. that's why HIV/AIDS originated from SIV from chimps..


So now, given these two answers and the fact that the scientific one is as clear as day(HIV is well documented to have emerged from SIV), why should anyone believe a god is remotely responsible in any biological process or this one?

elantraceey:
How can you believe in someone and not believe in his words?

Did the someone write the words himself? Did you witness the process?

Once you lose faith in humanity, the bible goes along with it. After all, only human beings write books. You're welcome to believe that the people who wrote the book were special, or were hearing special things, I don't believe THEM.

davien:

If you believe god creates everything...then it would logically follow that god gives viruses the genes necessary to attack human cells..

When God made everything He saw that it was good. And there wasn't any disease or sickness then..... Disease came when we started to do things we're not suppose to do with/to our body and environment, diseases and sickness came with man disobedience

And if you read Leviticus when good gave the laws to make us different from others; most of those laws were more hygienic than spiritual.... Like not handling of dead animals and so on....

Earth most survive! That's how it was created. And that's how it has been abl to keep itself for the past 50 billion years.... It always looks for a way to contain everything. If you go against it, it brings up something to contain it.

God made it so.....

musKeeto:

There is no point having this conversation with you. You possess the Truth of the Universe. Damn the world and all other differing ideologies.

When you know the truth, you will naturally damn lies in all their diversity or, at best, study them for the sake of curiosity. Truth makes the difference.

plaetton:


What do you think Thoniameek?

Trust God with your heart, not with your head.......

plaetton:


The wonders of sundayschool.

As opposed to the wonders of ignorance parading itself as intelligence. The former is much better.

Thoniameek:


When God made everything He saw that it was good. And there wasn't any disease or sickness then..... Disease came when we started to do things we're not suppose to do with/to our body and environment, diseases and sickness came with man disobedience

So disease causing viruses and bacteria create themselves?

And I believe Isaiah 45:7 in the bible makes it clear that your god creates evil...

I form the light, and create darkness: I make peace, and create evil: I the LORD do all these things.

And if you read Leviticus when good gave the laws to make different from others; most of those laws were more hygienic than spiritual.... Like not handling of dead animals and so on....

True, it also has verses that instruct you to stone blashemers to death(24:14)

Earth most survive! That's how it was created. And that's how it has been abl to keep itself for the past 50 billion years.... It always looks for a way to contain everything. If you go against it, it breaks up something to contain it.

The earth isn't 50 billion years but I'm happy you recognized that it's not thousands of years as alleged by some fanatical christian groups....

God made it so.....

Then that would mean god knew it would break in the first place wouldn't it?

It couldn't be an unintended consequence as god is the orchestrator of the consequences of sin(i.e death by old age,virus,bacteria,etc)...Afterall, nothing new can ever happen for a being that already knows how everything will, can, does and have happened a.k.a omniscient.

CaptainJune:


When you know the truth, you will naturally damn lies in all their diversity or, at best, study them for the sake of curiosity. Truth makes the difference.

Is faith without evidence the pathway to truth?

In a court, can a jury prosecute someone on faith and it'll be a just and valid verdict?

plaetton:

Lol.
So god inspired stone-age scribes with your 8 rules of hermeneutical studies , and then expected same stone-age readers of the bible to use same rules to understand the bible?

Hhhhmm. I must have missed the lesson on hermeneutical rules at sunday school.

It's funny, because just yesterday, another christian was telling that I needed the holy spiri spiri to understand the bible in proper context.

Or, Maybe hermeneutical rules is perhaps the Greek or Hebrew translation of Holy spiri spiri.

Verbosity of language. I have tried very hard to extract your point, at least a point, in this text but it is proves abortive owing to the verbosity of language.

What do you think Thoniameek?

Gosh!!
There is nothing I will not hear from christotards in this religilous section.

Lol. A Christian by any other name is still a Christian.

davien:
So disease causing viruses and bacteria create themselves?

And I believe Isaiah 45:7 in the bible makes it clear that your god creates evil...

I form the light, and create darkness: I make peace, and create evil: I the LORD do all these things.

True, it also has verses that instruct you to stone blashemers to death(24:14)

The earth isn't 50 billion years but I'm happy you recognized that it's not thousands of years as alleged by some fanatical christian groups....
Then that would mean god knew it would break in the first place wouldn't it?

It couldn't be an unintended consequence as god is the orchestrator of the consequences of sin(i.e death by old age,virus,bacteria,etc)

You didn't get my point.... I wasn't trying to tell you how old earth is, but that as old as it is - it has fared well. And that nature as it is will always fight anomalies, that's how God made it......

There's always consequences for something done wrong, and my dear, you sound like you don't like consequences

God put everything in place - in case; if you kill; you suffer, if you do something wrong to nature; it fight backs by creating all of those diseases......

Even unbelievers have laws and consequences, not to talk about the creator of the universe.

Besides, the bible says towards the end they'll be more diseases and illnesses, why? Men would do more evil, and more evil means more consequences. And that is no longer God's doing but sowing-and-reaping

CaptainJune:


Verbosity of language. I have tried very hard to extract your point, at least a point, in this text but it is proves abortive owing to the verbosity of language.



Lol. A Christian by any other name is still a Christian.

No wonder I couldn't find any other response to his write up.....

I couldn't make anything of it!

davien:
So disease causing viruses and bacteria create themselves?

And I believe Isaiah 45:7 in the bible makes it clear that your god creates evil...

I form the light, and create darkness: I make peace, and create evil: I the LORD do all these things.

Who has said anything to the contrary?

True, it also has verses that instruct you to stone blashemers to death(24:14)

How is this verse relevant in the 'bacteria' discussion?

The earth isn't 50 billion years but I'm happy you recognized that it's not thousands of years as alleged by some fanatical christian groups....
Then that would mean god knew it would break in the first place wouldn't it?

It couldn't be an unintended consequence as god is the orchestrator of the consequences of sin(i.e death by old age,virus,bacteria,etc)...Afterall, nothing new can ever happen for a being that already knows how everything will, can, does and have happened a.k.a omniscient.

I see. When it comes to the creation of the universe and mankind, big bang and evolution take the credit. When it comes to the creation of death, war, starvation, and diseases God takes the blame. Wonderful.

Thoniameek:



You didn't get my point.... I wasn't trying to tell you how old earth is, but that as old as it is - it has fared well. And that nature as it is will always fight anomalies, that's how God made it......

Was that the sum total of my post?

There's always consequences for something done wrong, and my dear, you sound like you don't like consequences

Now now, no need to start throwing accusations to cover yourself....according to your belief...no scenario can exist without being breathed by your god because it's the source of every possible outcome, good and bad ones too...so stop making a fallacy of sorrow and address my point.

God put everything in place - in case; if you kill; you suffer, if you do something wrong to nature; it fight backs by creating all of those diseases......

I thought the earth is a free gift to man by god?
In any case what did a human do or can do that to nature that would warrant god to tweak the genes of a virus to make a human being start vomiting blood like in the case of ebola?

Even unbelievers have laws and consequences, not to talk about the creator of the universe.

Those "unbelievers" have laws to govern themselves, does the christian god have a law to govern it's actions?

Besides, the bible says towards the end they'll be more diseases and illnesses, why? Men would do more evil, and more evil means more consequences. And that is no longer God's doing but sowing-and-reaping

More evil = More diseases, this scenario didn't poof out of nowhere....it'll still be god's doing because god is the alleged orchestrator of all things...

So another question would be, how can anyone know or prove this,if we have a sufficient scientific explanation that does and provides cures?..

davien:
Is faith without evidence the pathway to truth?

In a court, can a jury prosecute someone on faith and it'll be a just and valid verdict?

The Jury can reach a verdict on the testimony of an eye-witness when physical evidence is impossible, isn't it? Is that not faith?

Thoniameek:

No wonder I couldn't find any other response to his write up.....
I couldn't make anything of it!

Lol. It doesn't take a professional eye to identify garbage.

CaptainJune:


Who has said anything to the contrary?

Thoniameek wants to imply that it's not gods design but a design of nature for going against it...

How is this verse relevant in the 'bacteria' discussion?

Did I say it was relevant for the bacteria discussion or among other things the verse also dictates?

I see. When it comes to the creation of the universe and mankind, big bang and evolution take the credit. When it comes to the creation of death, war, starvation, and diseases God takes the blame. Wonderful.

* Yawn
I asked questions that the theology purports in line with what she believes...she also asked what science has to say and I gave her the answer...no bias there now is there?

CaptainJune:


The Jury can reach a verdict on the testimony of an eye-witness when physical evidence is impossible, isn't it? Is that not faith?

Eye witness testimony is not sufficient for a jury to reach a sound verdict without evidence that correlates with the testimony.
Else it'll merely be someone's word against another...

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davien:
Was that the sum total of my post?

Now now, no need to start throwing accusations to cover yourself....according to your belief...no scenario can exist without being breathed by your god because it's the source of every possible outcome, good and bad ones too...so stop making a fallacy of sorrow and address my point.

I thought the earth is a free gift to man by god?
In any case what did a human do or can do that to nature that would warrant god to tweak the genes of a virus to make a human being start vomiting blood like in the case of ebola?

Those "unbelievers" have laws to govern themselves, does the christian god have a law to govern it's actions?

More evil = More diseases, this scenario didn't poof out of nowhere....it'll still be god's doing because god is the alleged orchestrator of all things...

So another question would be, how can anyone know or prove this,if we have a sufficient scientific explanation that does and provides cures?..

You're in impossible! I can't go in circles with you anymore.......

I have come to tha conclusion that having a meaningful argument with you it literally impossible

Have tried out all the findings of science and found it to be true? Science has found answers to a lot of things you know; wait for them to answer all those other questions you have for me concerning my God.