CaptainJune:


Verbosity of language. I have tried very hard to extract your point, at least a point, in this text but it is proves abortive owing to the verbosity of language.



Lol. A Christian by any other name is still a Christian.

davien:
Thoniameek wants to imply that it's not gods design but a design of nature for going against it...

Did I say it was relevant for the bacteria discussion or among other things the verse also dictates?

* Yawn
I asked questions that the theology purports in line with what she believes...she also asked what science has to say and I gave her the answer...no bias there now is there?

Thoniameek:
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You're in impossible! I can't go in circles with you anymore.......

I have come to tha conclusion that having a meaningful argument with you it literally impossible

Have tried out all the findings of science and found it to be true? Science has found answers to a lot of things you know; wait for them to answer all those other questions you have for me concerning my God.

CaptainJune:


Please quote the post where she implied that

Thoniameek:


God put everything in place - in case; if you kill; you suffer, if you do something wrong to nature; it fight backs by creating all of those diseases......

Then cut out extraneous material from your argument. They only serve to make your thoughts appear jumbled and rambling.

Fair enough. In other words, science would rather believe in the existence of an evil God responsible for all the disasters on earth than in a compassionate and creative God who designed the universe. No bias there, my friend. I understand that science and her followers are more confused by the day.

Thoniameek:
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You're in impossible! I can't go in circles with you anymore.......

I have come to tha conclusion that having a meaningful argument with you it literally impossible

Have tried out all the findings of science and found it to be true? Science has found answers to a lot of things you know; wait for them to answer all those other questions you have for me concerning my God.

CaptainJune:


This is lovely. You've finally seen why I call atheists confused and ignorant people. Even when faced with facts they cannot disprove, they look for a way to persist in their ignorance. I'm not insulting them in any way but this is the plain truth.

davien:
Lady, science doesn't concern itself with untestable ideas. And it isn't synonymous with atheism either..

Thoniameek:


If I had in phone in my hand, then I let it fall down a thousand times and just one time the phone didn't fall down but remained in mid-air: wouldn't you as a nonbeliever and a trustee of science want to find out why?

There're scientists who have experienced miracles (and still do not want to believe), secretly studying how miracles happen

So Davien, if you're not a believer in God, and not a worshipper of science. What do you worship? Yourself?

plaetton:


Lol.
Well, if you failed to get the point, then perhaps it is your comprehension skills that is to be found wanting.
Perhaps you try and apply the Thoniameek's hermeneutical rules for proper context.

davien:
If it's the truth then you should be able to quote the "facts" she's been saying that hasn't been disproved, rendered useless by a scientific explanation or can be tested?

Thoniameek:


*He doesn't worship science; but yet glorifies it.*

Just as you feel you've "uselessed" my facts (they're actually not facts but the bitter truth)
I feel the same about proving your ignorance and how lazily myopic you could be

To all you atheist I suggest you watch this movie "I ORIGIN"..... It's not about God but about a scientist

davien:
Here you go

God put everything in place

Where have I said science is the one taking the stance on her theology or that it answers questions about disease causing organisms differently?...nice straw man attempt.

I asked questions that the theology purports in line with what she believes...she also asked what science has to say and I gave her the answer...no bias there now is there?

davien:
Yes I would, but I'd prefer to be called a skeptical atheist.

Then they should present their miracles if possible or should have documented them...

nothing is sacred, everything can be called into question...but a conclusion is not made upon incomplete evidence or insufficient data.

davien:
If it's the truth then you should be able to quote the "facts" she's been saying that hasn't been disproved, rendered useless by a scientific explanation or can be tested?

CaptainJune:


Did you notice she said and I quote:






May I remind you



Have you been making baseless argument all this while?

Thoniameek:


God put everything in place - in case; if you kill; you suffer, if you do something wrong to nature; it fight backs by creating all of those diseases......

Thoniameek:


You really feel the need to say something about anything I put up here.... Even when response is not compulsory.

I'm lost..... It really gives me headache having unintelligent arguments or conversations

I better be going

Even when response is not compulsory.

CaptainJune:


Of course, facts. The facts of a matter. The fact that God created the universe and the planets with everything in them, the fact that the Word of God is true and accurate, the fact that science cannot offer conclusive explanation for events beyond its scope of investigation, the fact that God knows the end from the beginning, the fact that the evidence of the existence of God cannot be scientifically determined, but has been known by eye-witnesses and various physical manifestations that defy logical explanation...they are facts...even science is mystified and cannot deny these occurrences. The best explanation that science can offer, for lack of physical determination, is that these occurrences are products of the imagination. Lol.

When facts are scientifically unidentifiable, untestable, not subject to any mathematical, chemical, or biological experimentation, then they become a mystery. They become false for the failure of science to provide the certificate of evidence to enable them to be accepted as reality by mankind.

fearlesschicken:
I believe in a God who creates the world we are in but I don't believe in the bible does it make me less a christian?

I had an argument with a friend of mine, he keep calling me an athiest because I said the bible is inaccurate and I can't leave my life based on a book with so many errors and contradictions.

I don't believe in all this supernatural stuffs either, like witches and wizards,demons etc or some silly doctorines we have in the bible like women being submissive and a divorcee not allowed to get married etc

I just believe in one thing: love!

So am I less a christian for not beliving the bible and all the other things I mentioned? If am not a christian what am I?

Cc:captainjune,winner01,malvinsguy212,
Johndony12,hahn,davien, etc
Ex

Thoniameek:


You really feel the need to say something about anything I put up here.... Even when response is not compulsory.

I'm lost..... It really gives me headache having unintelligent arguments or conversations

I better be going

Thoniameek:


You really feel the need to say something about anything I put up here.... Even when response is not compulsory.

I'm lost..... It really gives me headache having unintelligent arguments or conversations

I better be going

fearlesschicken:
I believe in a God who creates the world we are in but I don't believe in the bible does it make me less a christian?

I had an argument with a friend of mine, he keep calling me an athiest because I said the bible is inaccurate and I can't leave my life based on a book with so many errors and contradictions.

I don't believe in all this supernatural stuffs either, like witches and wizards,demons etc or some silly doctorines we have in the bible like women being submissive and a divorcee not allowed to get married etc

I just believe in one thing: love!

So am I less a christian for not beliving the bible and all the other things I mentioned? If am not a christian what am I?

Cc:captainjune,winner01,malvinsguy212,
Johndony12,hahn,davien, etc

winner01:
Yeah, God created the heavens and the earth, im glad you are not like some fools here who believe that existence is by chance.
Secondly, The Bible God is the only God that proclaims love, peace and hope. He offers salvation and redemption even to sinners.
The Holy Bible is the only Book called the word of God and TRUTH.
If you feel there are errors in God's word, point them out here and light will be shed on it.


Permit me to say You are confused by saying you believe in God and dont believe in the supernatural... God is a SUPERNATURAL Being who created the Natural...

If you believe Solely in Love, well, There is only one God that offers that. Matt 22:37-39...
I suggest you drop religion and embrace truth.
May the God of peace be with you.

winner01:
Yeah, God created the heavens and the earth, im glad you are not like some fools here who believe that existence is by chance.
Secondly, The Bible God is the only God that proclaims love, peace and hope. He offers salvation and redemption even to sinners.
The Holy Bible is the only Book called the word of God and TRUTH.
If you feel there are errors in God's word, point them out here and light will be shed on it.


Permit me to say You are confused by saying you believe in God and dont believe in the supernatural... God is a SUPERNATURAL Being who created the Natural...

If you believe Solely in Love, well, There is only one God that offers that. Matt 22:37-39...
I suggest you drop religion and embrace truth.
May the God of peace be with you.

boboLIL:
u cannot be a christian and say u don't believe in Bible..... Bible is the word of God and the word of God is life......so u can't tell me u love ur parents buh u don't believe in their advice.....

Bakrabas:
where's it writtien in the bible that "bible is the world of God"?

Thoniameek:


But God is a supernatural 'stuff'. How then are you able to believe in Him?

There're witches and there're wizards and demons and satan and his cohorts... Better believe that!

Why are they there? To make you understand what choice is all about, what choosing and choosing right is.....

fearlesschicken:
Wow!!

Can't believe my eyes! 3 pages for a simple question? Mehn I should have know this would happen introducing christians and atheist on the thread

Seriously though I enjoyed reading through the arguments and all, but I feel more lost than I was before, so many conflicting ideas in this my brain now

I appreciate all your efforts and comments though...it is a path that I have to decide on my own.

Cc:johnydon22,captainjune,winner01,
davien,hahn,thoniameek,plaetton,
Menesheh,david0 and many others pls pardon me if I forgot to mention ur name.

MizJanet:


@ underlined , explain Mark 10:45 , how could jesus sacrifice his soul if the soul is immortal ?

winner01:
...Did you mean the essence of Jesus' death and ressurection because i have never come accross an immortal soul in the teachings of the Bible.
Man has never had an immortal soul that allows him to live past death. The only means by which man can live into eternity is to repent of his sins, accept Jesus as his Savior, become baptized and receive God's spirit, then live a life of overcoming until death.
God made man in his own image, but not of the same substance that he possesses. Our Creator is composed of spirit and is eternal. Humans were made, however, out of the ground or organic substance that constitutes the earth. Adam only became a "living being" (but not an immortal soul) when God breathed life into him.
Ezekiel 18:4 Behold, all souls are mine; the soul of the father as well as the soul of the son is mine: the soul who sins shall die.

fearlesschicken:
Wow!!

Can't believe my eyes! 3 pages for a simple question? Mehn I should have know this would happen introducing christians and atheist on the thread

Seriously though I enjoyed reading through the arguments and all, but I feel more lost than I was before, so many conflicting ideas in this my brain now

I appreciate all your efforts and comments though...it is a path that I have to decide on my own.

MizJanet:


@ color , That means at death man cease to exist . Ryt ?