MikeCZAR:
The kill radius is like a missile range it is a bit misleading.

The kill radius with contact detonation shells is influenced by things like the target area surface. In soft surfaces the blast will be absorbed.

I think the reporter (Vice guy) was referring to air-burst

But yeah, some red flags went off in my head when i heard him say that.

Lezzlie:



The big challenge and this is the big irony is that SA which is championing ACIRC doesn’t really have the capability to support ACIRC… There’s a disjuncture between the capabilities that SA has and its ambition,” said Jakkie Cilliers, executive director of the Institute for Security Studies.

President Zuma was hoping that the African Capacity force would be a quick, easy response to Africa’s most pressing emergencies – and a much-needed credit to his reputation. Unfortunately, it’s not that easy. In pushing for a new, untested military force, he instead risks derailing what progress the continent has made in establishing a continental framework for military intervention, and may compromise ongoing peacekeeping efforts in the process. If, that is, South Africa can even afford it. DM

Bunch of derailers.

ACRIC is simply the forecursor to the ACRF which the continental framework for military intervention

The only reason ACRIC exists is because the rest of the continent is dragging its heels towarda meeting ACRF obligations

So since we finished on schedule and no one else was ready, we named them ACRIC.

With regards to funding, the money spent of last years ex Seboka (a record breaker) and this years Young Lion tells a different story

patches689:


ACRIC is simply the forecursor to the ACRF which the continental framework for military intervention

The only reason ACRIC exists is because the rest of the continent is dragging its heels towarda meeting ACRF obligations

So since we finished on schedule and no one else was ready, we named them ACRIC.

With regards to funding, the money spent of last years ex Seboka (a record breaker) and this years Young Lion tells a different story

ACIRC is a futile duplicity of a more powerful, better resourced structure in the ASF, which has a near unanimous support from both AU and the EU.

Besides, even Zuma admits ACIRC is a stopgap and interim.

We understand Zuma wants desperately to leave a better image and reputation, aside the fact that South Africa is ever desperate for diplomatic relevance.

We see right through it.

giles14:
http://itweb.co.za/mobilesite/defenceweb/home/item_id-40827/

Alleged.

They might not be found guilty.

Lezzlie:
ACIRC is a futile duplicity of a more powerful, better resourced structure in the ASF, which has a near unanimous support from both AU and the EU.

Besides, even Zuma admits ACIRC is a stopgap and interim.

We understand Zuma wants desperately to leave a better image and reputation, aside the fact that South Africa is ever desperate for diplomatic relevance.

We see right through it.

The reason for SA's push to setup ACIRC is not for diplomatic relevance but to also help Africa to stop relying on foreign military interventions on the continent including to rapidly respond to humanitarian crisis's that emanate from armed conflicts. SA has bared the brunt of africa's refugee crisis's in the last 2 decades and for this reason it would rather contain conflict within a country and prevent refugee and migrant problems on its doorstep.


In conclusion I think you @Leslie are once again mischievous and it will slowly result in this thread being turned in another Nigeria vs SA feud.

SAAF

Lezzlie:
ACIRC is a futile duplicity of a more powerful, better resourced structure in the ASF, which has a near unanimous support from both AU and the EU.

Besides, even Zuma admits ACIRC is a stopgap and interim.

We understand Zuma wants desperately to leave a better image and reputation, aside the fact that South Africa is ever desperate for diplomatic relevance.

We see right through it.

I don't get why everything has to be a Competition with you.
It's not about Political relevance it's about solving our own problems as a continent. You're so busy trying to denounce our efforts at trying to creat a solution yet you fail to mention any other alternative solutions.

What exactly has the rest of the Continent been doing to create a rapid reaction force?

What you don't get is that ACIRC is designed to be easily integrated into the African Rapid Reaction Force once it's formed *whenever that will be*

People need help, and S.A has a lot of man power and equipment to offer.

SAAF A109

Photo creds to Doug

As a maritime air platform how does the SAAF A109's on board equipment stack up against the SAAF lynx on board equipment?

ViceAdmiral:
As a maritime air platform how does the SAAF A109's on board equipment stack up against the SAAF lynx on board equipment?

SAAF A109s are not maritime aircrafts.

Lezzlie:
ACIRC is a futile duplicity of a more powerful, better resourced structure in the ASF, which has a near unanimous support from both AU and the EU.

Besides, even Zuma admits ACIRC is a stopgap and interim.

We understand Zuma wants desperately to leave a better image and reputation, aside the fact that South Africa is ever desperate for diplomatic relevance.

We see right through it.

Please read my post properly

ACRIC was formed with the intention of being a component of ACRF

But since ACRF does not yet exist we were forced to turn it into a stand-alone formation under the title ACRIC - so yes it is a stop gap, a stop gap pending the rest of Africa getting their formations ready. Once the ACRF is formalized ACRIC will slot in as the core of the SADAC Brigade

South Africa is one of the major drivers behind ACRF hence we were the frist to operationalize our contingent and hence we have made available our facilities in order to speed up the formation of the ACRF

Henry120:


SAAF A109s are not maritime aircrafts.

Yeah but if employed in that scenario what does the SAAF lynx have that it doesnt have??its a method of finding out about its on board equipment and maritime capabilities

Centrifude:


I don't get why everything has to be a Competition with you.
It's not about Political relevance it's about solving our own problems as a continent. You're so busy trying to denounce our efforts at trying to creat a solution yet you fail to mention any other alternative solutions.

What exactly has the rest of the Continent been doing to create a rapid reaction force?

What you don't get is that ACIRC is designed to be easily integrated into the African Rapid Reaction Force once it's formed *whenever that will be*

People need help, and S.A has a lot of man power and equipment to offer.

There are regional blocks which has lived up to its billings. Read South African own press view of the ACIRC.

http://www.dailymaverick.co.za/article/2015-01-14-playing-the-african-statesman-with-teeth-is-president-zumas-new-fighting-force-such-a-good-idea/#.VgoIeJgo8uo

DictatorZAR:

The reason for SA's push to setup ACIRC is not for diplomatic relevance but to also help Africa to stop relying on foreign military interventions on the continent including to rapidly respond to humanitarian crisis's that emanate from armed conflicts. SA has bared the brunt of africa's refugee crisis's in the last 2 decades and for this reason it would rather contain conflict within a country and prevent refugee and migrant problems on its doorstep.
In conclusion I think you @Leslie are once again mischievous and it will slowly result in this thread being turned in another Nigeria vs SA feud.

If S.A wants to solve regional problems they will review the ASF within the AU and not seek to reinvent the wheel. That's why the notion has many african countries opposing it, led by Nigeria of course.

Your own people knows it's a dream that won't be achieved. Read: http://www.dailymaverick.co.za/article/2015-01-14-playing-the-african-statesman-with-teeth-is-president-zumas-new-fighting-force-such-a-good-idea/#.VgoIeJgo8uo

patches689:



Please read my post properly

ACRIC was formed with the intention of being a component of ACRF

But since ACRF does not yet exist we were forced to turn it into a stand-alone formation under the title ACRIC - so yes it is a stop gap, a stop gap pending the rest of Africa getting their formations ready. Once the ACRF is formalized ACRIC will slot in as the core of the SADAC Brigade

South Africa is one of the major drivers behind ACRF hence we were the frist to operationalize our contingent and hence we have made available our facilities in order to speed up the formation of the ACRF

Twisted Facts. http://www.dailymaverick.co.za/article/2015-01-14-playing-the-african-statesman-with-teeth-is-president-zumas-new-fighting-force-such-a-good-idea/#.VgoIeJgo8uo

Lezzlie:
Twisted Facts. http://www.dailymaverick.co.za/article/2015-01-14-playing-the-african-statesman-with-teeth-is-president-zumas-new-fighting-force-such-a-good-idea/#.VgoIeJgo8uo

The African Capacity for Immediate Response to Crises (ACIRC), a temporary standby force capable of responding quickly to crisis situations in Africa, is expected to be operational by October, South African President Jacob Zuma said at the conclusion of his working visit to Malabo, Equatorial Guinea on Thursday.

The ACIRC will serve as an interim measure ahead of the establishment of a permanent African Standby Force, which was originally expected to be operational by 2015. Zuma proposed the concept of the ACIRC at last year's African Union (AU) summit in Addis Ababa, Ethiopia, where the proposal was endorsed.
http://www.southafrica.info/news/international/au-270614.htm#.VgqjuHqqqko#ixzz3n8g95ofl

ACRIC exists only because ASF does not and has the majority support of the AU.

Bah told delegates the African Capacity for Immediate Response to Crises (ACIRC) would become part of the ASF. This means ACIRC, which SA Army Chief Lieutenant General Vusi Masondo said would be operational this month, effectively has a shelf life of six months if the December 2015 deadline for operationalisation is adhered to.

-DefenceWeb

Now that you understand what ACRIC is, and how its fits into the ASF you can feel free to stop de-railing this thread.

My apologies to other forum members for engaging with the (self-proclaimed) troll.

EASF- eastern Africa Standby Force ready since 2014

Motorized battalion is made up of Cobra APCs and a bunch of 6*6 Ratels operating from in Rwanda

Patchesagain:


The African Capacity for Immediate Response to Crises (ACIRC), a temporary standby force capable of responding quickly to crisis situations in Africa, is expected to be operational by October, South African President Jacob Zuma said at the conclusion of his working visit to Malabo, Equatorial Guinea on Thursday.

The ACIRC will serve as an interim measure ahead of the establishment of a permanent African Standby Force, which was originally expected to be operational by 2015. Zuma proposed the concept of the ACIRC at last year's African Union (AU) summit in Addis Ababa, Ethiopia, where the proposal was endorsed.
http://www.southafrica.info/news/international/au-270614.htm#.VgqjuHqqqko#ixzz3n8g95ofl

ACRIC exists only because ASF does not and has the majority support of the AU.

Bah told delegates the African Capacity for Immediate Response to Crises (ACIRC) would become part of the ASF. This means ACIRC, which SA Army Chief Lieutenant General Vusi Masondo said would be operational this month, effectively has a shelf life of six months if the December 2015 deadline for operationalisation is adhered to.

-DefenceWeb

Now that you understand what ACRIC is, and how its fits into the ASF you can feel free to stop de-railing this thread.

My apologies to other forum members for engaging with the (self-proclaimed) troll.

You can't string two sentences together without adding subtle lies and misrepresentations. That has been your legacy for the last 4 years. Jacob Zuma is a president in search of a legacy – at least one that’s not centred around corruption charges, maladministration or palatial homesteads. He thinks he has found a worthy project, in the form of a new continental military intervention force intended as a powerful African solution to African problems. Not everyone is so sure. By SIMON ALLISON.


In this context, Zuma’s African Capacity Force is intended as an interim measure; a stopgap to plug the void. It will be smaller and nimbler, and it won’t be beholden to sluggish regional progress. Nonetheless, it seems odd to plough resources into this new force, rather than try to fix what already exists – why reinvent the wheel?

A much more appropriate solution may have been to call for the updating of the Rapid Deployment Capacity already built into the ASF. “The ASF has near-unanimous support from within the AU and has the formal backing of the EU for funding and other assistance. ACIRC has none of this; no pre-existing structures to rely on, no agreements amongst its partner nations on how it will be funded, little clarity on operational command and control and too vague a mandate for when and where it could or should be used,” explains Darren Olivier, senior correspondent for the African Defence Review

Don't get uncomfortable when facts crawl under your skin, Patrick. Troll allegations won't stop me from out-fact-ing you
Now let it go. This a photos-only thread, your penchant for cold blooded lies lured you into that desperate narrative of glory - banditry.

patches689:


1. I said that the deployment in the Congo was under the UN, and South Africa was the main force behind its invention and its biggest contributor.
http://unicpretoria.org.za/2015/01/19/un-special-envoy-for-the-great-lakes-and-south-african-ministers-review-the-situation-in-the-region-and-call-for-urgent-military-action-against-the-fdlr/

2. read my post correctly, I did not say they were deployed to Congo, I said they were deployed under ACIRC. I also quite clearly explained what ACRIC is. The fact that I broke down the composition of the ACRIC formation, and then mentioned the MONUSCO FIB separately makes the distinction glaringly obvious.

In future I ask that you take the time to read my posts properly.

1. Your source proves that South Africa did NOT invent FIB, it was a UN idea.

2. Okay, but next time don't mix equipment list of ACRIC into a talk about FIB, your lack of clear distinction created confusion.

Please improve on your communication skills.....and don't tell lies again that South Africa invented Congo FIB. Thanks
.

ViceAdmiral:


Yeah but if employed in that scenario what does the SAAF lynx have that it doesnt have??its a method of finding out about its on board equipment and maritime capabilities

You need to navalize it with things like floats, anti-corrosion/anti-saline salt water protection, etc .
Its a land AW 109 variant, the sea will damage it.

africaken:
a society like saudi arabia with its welfare system,i doubt you can find a saudi willing to die for his country in battle

Very true.

1st pic -EASF logistics training center in Ethiopia
2-4-Kenyas EASF includes disaster response Unit

agaugust:


You need to navalize it with things like floats, anti-corrosion/anti-saline salt water protection, etc .
Its a land AW 109 variant, the sea will damage it.

Looks like the floatation gear is on and can be fitted it seems ...cant say much about the anti corrosion protection though...

ViceAdmiral:


Looks like the floatation gear is on and can be fitted it seems ...cant say much about the anti corrosion protection though...

Don't waste your time with him.

Lacks radar but a FLIR pod can be fitted and some stuff internally.

Tribute to the Nigerian army

agaugust:


1. Your source proves that South Africa did NOT invent FIB, it was a UN idea.

2. Okay, but next time don't mix equipment list of ACRIC into a talk about FIB, your lack of clear distinction created confusion.

Please improve on your communication skills.....and don't tell lies again that South Africa invented Congo FIB. Thanks
.

And why are you lying?

ViceAdmiral:
As a maritime air platform how does the SAAF A109's on board equipment stack up against the SAAF lynx on board equipment?

By "on board" you mean?

MikeCZAR:
Don't waste your time with him.

Lacks radar but a FLIR pod can be fitted and some stuff internally.

Ou so perhaps S&R might be suited for SAAF A109's since it does have a winch...was pondering how much maritime potential the SAAF A109 has...How much work is required to fit on the FLIR pod..Isit something that could be done on a day to day basis depending on the operation requirements or that pushing it abit too far ,It having no radar rules it out that it could be used as a targeting platform,

patches689:



I think the reporter (Vice guy) was referring to air-burst

But yeah, some red flags went off in my head when i heard him say that.

Even with air burst the environment will influence its performance.

Like you're hammered by those while you're in the woods it will be super deadly, as the energy will pick up chunks of woods and throw them at you.

ViceAdmiral:


Ou so perhaps S&R might be suited for SAAF A109's since it does have a winch...was pondering how much maritime potential the SAAF A109 has...How much work is required to fit on the FLIR pod..Isit something that could be done on a day to day basis depending on the operation requirements or that pushing it abit too far ,It having no radar rules it out that it could be used as a targeting platform,

Coastal squadrons do S&R that is why you see their Oryx and A109s fitted with floating equipment.

Are you sure?

MikeCZAR:
Coastal squadrons do S&R that is why you see their Oryx and A109s fitted with floating equipment.

Are you sure?

sorry meant to put a question mark at the end of my previous post....what onboard sensors on th SAAF 109 can be used to target?

MikeCZAR:
Even with air burst the environment will influence its performance.

Like you're hammered by those while you're in the woods it will be super deadly, as the energy will pick up chunks of woods and throw them at you.

'Easy' company had their fair share of that in band of brothers