vfactor:
Na now u know? Jesus is the SON of God. He is not God. But my Christendom brothers will want to start quoting trinity doctrine they cannot prove from the scriptures, explain or kowaciate.

vfactor:


Please if 1x1x1=1, then 1x0x1=0, isn't it?

Richirich713:


Jesus death does not mean non-existent, he still existed after death.

Richirich713:


Jesus death does not mean non-existent, he still existed after death.

Jessicha:


If he still exist after death , that means he never died . It means he only pretends to die but was actually alive .

Jessicha:


The keyword is " death" nd it applies to All living things . Are you now saying when living things die they dont cease to exist ? Lol , goats and lion must be in heaven

vfactor:



I mean while he was dead for 3 days! You can't say he was existing for those periods can u?

Richirich713:


Yes he still existed during those 3 days cuz Death does not mean non-existence.

When we die our soul still exists.

Richirich713:


"And He was transfigured before them; and His face shone like the sun, and His garments became as white as light. And behold, Moses and Elijah appeared to them, talking with Him" Matthew 17:1-8.

Are u telling me here at jesus transfigured , moses and Elijah are just an illusion and not real.

Again death does not mean non-existent.

I was speaking about HUMANS not animals, animals are NOT created in the image of God

Richirich713:


Yes he still existed during those 3 days cuz Death does not mean non-existence.

When we die our soul still exists.

vfactor:



Hehehe. Pls read Ezekiel 18:4.

vfactor:



If Jesus didnt really die and still existed, then his sacrifice is null and void.

vfactor:


Also the resurrection doctrine becomes invalid cos only a dead person can be ressurected.

vfactor:


N/B: In other to justify the trinity doctrine, u re now denying other fundermental christian doctrines like the death and ressurection of Jesus.

Richirich713:



"For everyone belongs to me, the parent as well as the child—both alike belong to me. The one who sins is the one who will die".

Does "Die" mean non-existent or is that wat u want it to mean ?



Who said he didn't really die?

I'm saying ur definition of what death is, is wrong cuz the bible does not say Death means non-existent . Death in the bible refers to the separation of our soul from our body and separation from God.



Again wrong, jesus was really dead but HE STILL EXISTED.



Actually u are are the denying the scriptures by saying the scripture teaches that death mean non-existent.

Behold, all souls are mine; as the soul of the father, so also the soul of the son is mine: the soul that sinneth, it shall die.

And the LORD God formed man of the dust of the ground, and breathed into his nostrils the breath of life; and man became a living soul.

MizJanet:


typical NL christian . Let me made two points from your above statement .

Point 1 : Jesus is immortal , and thus didnt die for anyone .

MizJanet:


You are actually saying the soul ( which is the real person) according to chrstians never dies , its immortal .
That simply means:
A) the soul ( real person called Jesus) didnt die , he is an immortal soul (person) .
Y'all are still in ur sins .

MizJanet:

Point 2 : you agree with Jews that Jesus is not the messiah .

The messiah spoken about in the bible is not an immortal soul . Rather [/b] " he will pour his soul to death " [b] - prophet isaiah 53 :12 .

MizJanet:


Since Jesus is an immortal soul according to the statement in quote , he cant pour his soul to death . Therefore you prove he is not the messiah .

Thanks for your time .

Richirich713:


No he did die, I'm saying ur definition of what death is, is wrong.
No I'm saying he did die but UR DEFINITION is wrong. U say it means ceases to exist but the bible does not say Death means that.



1st u picking a translation and again think that ever time the bible says "death" it mean cease to exist and thinking this verse is saying jesus no longer existed.



Honesty ur arguments against me is making no sense cuz u already defined wat "death" means in ur mind, therefore every time u see the word "death" u assume it means non-existent then build ur argument on it as if I'm also assuming death means that.

MizJanet:

What is this one saying ? Address those two points and stop blabbing

Richirich713:

Jesus death does not mean non-existent, he still existed after death.

Richirich713

Again wrong, jesus was really dead but HE STILL EXISTED.

Actually u are are the denying the scriptures by saying the scripture teaches that death mean non-existent.

Richirich713:


How can I address ur points wen u assumed in both points that death means non-existence.

U can't just assume, 1st prove from scripture death means that.

My whole 1st point was :

but instead of proving me wrong u all wen to passages wer u 1st assume, then make ur point based on ur assumptions.

See Confusion o ,

Ur point is soul never dies .. Its immortal .

Based on that , i show you two results of your thinking .

A) if you gat an immortal soul , and the soul is the real person . It means the real person called Jesus did not die , he is immortal ONLY his body died . Do you agree ?

If you disagree , that means the real person (soul) called Jesus Die . And that means soul dies like the body dies .

Then ur whole point crumble .

B) if soul is immortal , how could the messiah " pour his soul to death" ? Isaiah 53:12 , or did isaiah lied ?

MizJanet:


lol, is this an oxymoron , the above is one of the most silly post have read on NL .

From your bible , when something is dead , it is not alive .


" they are dead , they shall not live " Isaiah 26:14

Word and opposite . Your God lied ?

MizJanet:



Pls what happen to smoke when it disappears ?

" [color=red] [b]you [humans] are like smoke that appears for a little while and then DISAPPEARS" {james 4:14}


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MizJanet:




See Confusion o ,

Ur point is soul never dies .. Its immortal .

Based on that , i show you two results of your thinking .

A) if you gat an immortal soul , and the soul is the real person . It means the real person called Jesus did not die , he is immortal ONLY his body died . Do you agree ?

If you disagree , that means the real person (soul) called Jesus Die . And that means soul dies like the body dies .

Then ur whole point crumble .

B) if soul is immortal , how could the messiah " pour his soul to death" ? Isaiah 53:12 , or did isaiah lied ?

Richirich713:


U should be laughing at urself, cuz u just don'
A stone exists but does that mean it's alive or living? "ALIVE" DOES NOT MEAN TO EXIST NOR DOES "DEAD" MEAN NON-EXISTENCE..

1ST WE ARE NOT SMOKE.

2nly It's obvious james is not saying what u want him to say, namely that after death we no longer exist.

Ur arguments against me again don't make sense cuz u again ASSUMING DEATH MEANS TO CEASE TO EXIST. PROVE IT STOP ASSUMING.

Richirich713:


Again falsely assuming I share ur views on what death is, deaths refers to separation , get it?
. that's y ur points are making no sense wen u think I share ur views.

A particular poster on this thread expose ur fictional definition of death when she asks that can you apply this definition to animals , you said no ? It shows something is fishy .

Death in the context of animals means cessation of life but in man it doesnt apply . Hahahahaha . Thanks very much for your time ,
Am happy that at least you know the meaning of death but decide to twist it . Animals are soul , spirit and body like you yet they cease to be alive when they die . ?

Richirich713:


Again falsely assuming I share ur views on what death is, deaths refers to separation , get it?
. that's y ur points are making no sense wen u think I share ur views.

A particular poster on this thread expose ur fictional definition of death when she asks that can you apply this definition to other living things , you said no ? It shows something is fishy .

Death in the context of animals means cessation of life but in man it doesnt apply . Hahahahaha . Thanks very much for your time ,
Am happy that at least you know the meaning of death but decide to twist it . Animals are soul , spirit and body like you yet they cease to be alive when they die . ?

MizJanet:



A particular poster on this thread expose ur fictional definition of death when she asks that can you apply this definition to animals , you said no ? It shows something is fishy .

Death in the context of animals means cessation of life but in man it doesnt apply . Hahahahaha . Thanks very much for your time ,
Am happy that at least you know the meaning of death but decide to twist it . Animals are soul , spirit and body like you yet they cease to be alive when they die . ?

Richirich713:
This below clearly shows ur views on what death is wrong.

"But as for the cowardly, the faithless, the detestable, as for murderers, the sexually immoral, sorcerers, idolaters, and all liars, their portion will be in the lake that burns with fire and sulfur, which is the second death[/b]Revelation 21:8 (ESV)

Does this mean evil people will suffer in the lake of fire(which is the 2nd death) [b]BUT DON'T EXIST BUT DO REALLY SUFFER.

MizJanet:


The same bible said :

" the wicked will be no more" psalmm 37:9-11

Richirich713:


They will be no more cuz they will be in the lake of fire WHICH IS THE SECOND DEATH.

The fact that they are still somewhere and someplace means they still exist.

MizJanet:


Gosh ! Cant you see you are contradicting yourself , what does it mean that something is no more ?

Richirich713:
Notice the bible says second death.

If death meant non-existence then that wud mean that this 2nd death wud cuz evil people to no longer exist BUT(a big fat but) we no evildoers will suffer forever in the lake of fire which is the 2nd death.


How can evil people suffer after death if they no longer exist?


Clearly u been proven wrong, lol u were so desperate u tried to use psalm 37 "the wicked will be no more" with a little extra spice in ur interpretation to support ur argument

Richirich713:


Erm u one contradicting scriptures , u believe deaths means to cease to exist but in Revelation the 2nd death clearly does not say that , cuz we no those who experience the 2nd death will suffer for all eternity meaning they still exist.

U CAN'T SUFFER AND NOT EXIST, SO DEATH DOES NOT MEAN TO CEASE TO EXIST.

U MUST EXIST IN ORDER TO SUFFER.

Lol , you are confessing that your bible contradict itself .

Bible : the wicked will be no more . Meaning of no more " no longer exist" .

Here is another


" the dead dont know anything... For there is no work nor knowledge [b]in the GRAVE , where you re going " EccL 9:5,10 !

Youuuu are going to the grave .