MizJanet:



Nobody suffer after death , they die and become a corpse ... Dead people are in their graves .

Richirich713:


I never said they will suffer after the 1st death,

I said the 2nd death. U claim death means to cease to exist but the 2nd death proves u wrong due to the fact people will suffer after it.

The point is "death" does not mean what u claim means .

Cuz If it meant what u claim then people wud not suffer after the 2nd death.

MizJanet:



Lol , you are confessing that your bible contradict itself .

Bible : the wicked will be no more . Meaning of no more " no longer exist" .

Here is another


" the dead dont know anything... For there is no work nor knowledge [b]in the GRAVE , where you re going " EccL 9:5,10 !

Youuuu are going to the grave .

Richirich713:


Again falsely assuming I share ur views on what death is, deaths refers to separation , get it?
. that's y ur points are making no sense wen u think I share ur views.

Richirich713:


Erm u one contradicting scriptures , u believe deaths means to cease to exist but in Revelation the 2nd death clearly does not say that , cuz we no those who experience the 2nd death will suffer for all eternity meaning they still exist.

U CAN'T SUFFER AND NOT EXIST, SO DEATH DOES NOT MEAN TO CEASE TO EXIST.

U MUST EXIST IN ORDER TO SUFFER.

CANTICLES:


Bro , where do people go after the first death ?

CANTICLES:


That means HELL will also suffer after the 2nd death ? Revelation 20:14

Am waiting for your response bro

CANTICLES:


Death refers to separation ! Biblical backup for this statement please ?

CANTICLES:
@ richirich713

Sheol is a place of inactivity ( psalm 115:17 ; pslm 6:5 , ecclesistes 9:4-6 , 10 ) , even Jesus went there .


- how can death and HELL represent those whose names are not in the book of life ?

Rev 20:14" and death and HELL are cast into the lake of fire" . Hell itself was cast into the lake of fire , then this mean hell will suffer forever in the lake of fire ?

If you call it symbolism , how then are we sure that the lake of fire itself in which HELL is thrown is not symbolic ?

Richirich713:


Ah when sum1 realizes they been proven wrong.

They get desperate and start saying the bible contradicts itself base on their interpretation.

U no u been proven wrong and clearly can't take it

Richirich713:


I'm sure cuz it's obvious that the bible teaches the wicked will suffer in hell for all eternity.

And I'm pretty sure Hades and hell represents evildoers since the book of Revelation is full of symbolism and imagery.

Richirich713:


As the body without the spirit is dead, so faith without deeds is dead." James 2:26

Only way this could happen is if the spirit separates from the body.


Also is spiritual death :

"As for you, you were DEAD in your transgressions and sins, in which you used to LIVE when you followed the ways of this world and of the ruler of the kingdom of the air, the spirit who is now at work in those who are disobedient. All of us also lived among them at one time, gratifying the cravings of our sinful nature and following its desires and thoughts. Like the rest, we were by nature objects of wrath. But because of his great love for us, God, who is rich in mercy, [b]made us ALIVE with Christ even when we were DEAD

MizJanet:


Bible : " the wicked will be no more"

Richirich713 : " no ! They will still exist"

just enjoy ur delusion .

CANTICLES:


Brother , None of this said death is separation of soul and body .

You are yet to produce that scripture .

@ underlined ... Spirit in that context is in our nostrils , our breath ( job 27:3 ) , even animals hve it in their body .

CANTICLES:


It didnt ! Instead It said hell will be cast into the lake of fire , and i ask ; do you agree that hell will be burned in the lake of fire to suffer for all eternity ?




How did you arrive at this interpretation ?

Richirich713:


Brother it says the body is dead without the spirit.

U have a spirit in ur body currently right?

So wen is the moment u die? It occurs wen the spirit is no longer in the body and wat does that mean, it means it must separate from ur body.

Richirich713:


U keep making a fool of urself

" the wicked will be no more"

MizJanet- means after death they no longer exist meaning death means to cease to exist.

If this meant that the wicked will no longer exist after death u have a problem since the same psalm say the righteous will dwell in the land 4eva , BUT WE NO DEATH COMES TO ALL.

The same psalm says :

"Turn from evil and do good;
    then you will dwell in the land forever"

Does this mean the wicked will exist forever if they repent? For that to be true that wud mean no1 dies since u said death means to cease to exist but since the wicked can repent they can exist 4eva

Hahahaha again showing hw pathetic and false ur interpretation of " the wicked will be no more"

Again the bible proves u wrong and shows death does not mean cease to exist.

madjnr:
when God came down to earth... Who was in charge

CANTICLES:


Remove your pride bro , check the hebrew word rendered "no more " and you will see that she is right !

Richirich713:


I no wat "weynenu" means but its still does not support her argument, cuz she claim the psalm is sayin that death means to cease to exist but she wrong cuz if that were true then the psalm wud be contradicting itself by sayin the righteous will be forever since the righteous will also die.

Jessicha:


If he still exist after death , that means he never died . It means he only pretends to die but was actually alive .


The keyword is " death" nd it applies to All living things . Are you now saying when living things die they dont cease to exist ? Lol , goats and lion must be in heaven

Richirich713:


As I said the book of Revelation is full of imagery.

Are u telling me everywhere the bible said people will suffer in hell is just symbolic even tho there are clear statements from jesus that hell is a real place.

Either way u look at it my interpretation is clearly far more reasonable than any of urs, since the book of Revelation is not the only time the bible says evildoers will suffer in the flames.

malvisguy212:
revelation 1:18 I am the Living One; I was dead, and now look, I am alive for ever and ever! And I hold the keys of death and Hades.

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You err , dont you know Its a prophecy ? The wicked will be no more , nd the righteous will live forever on earth .

Simple .

CANTICLES:


Jesus is not alive until he was resurected from death on the third day .

CANTICLES:


The bible never use HELL to represent evildoers . Infact, good people are said to be in hell . Act 2:31 ... Re you saying Jesus is an evildoer ? If no ! Ur interprettion of hell representing evildoer is completely wrong !!

Richirich713:


Bro if ur definition of wat death is , is true then that means the wicked won't suffer since they will cease to exist.

2nd I shown u a passage wer it says we were dead ( evens tho we were still breathing )
but christ made us alive.

Also if revelation 2nd death and suffering is not to be taken literally , plz tell wat does it mean according to u ?

Richirich713:


Guy I was only referring to that passage in revelations , also evens IF my interpretation is completely wrong it still doesn't support ur view that death means non-existence.

Since the bible says many times evil people will suffer in hell.

CANTICLES:


^ Did Jesus suffer in hell ?

^ Is Jesus an evil person ? Act 2:31

CANTICLES:



Death was cast into the lake of fire - rev 20:14 , Scripture Explains that it doesnt mean a literal death is suffering in fire , it simply means " death will Cease to exist" Rev 21:4