Leon2036:
same 1 John 2:22 specified the father and son (but one is like unto the other) and have I stated anywhere that i deny christ? it's a mere stance of confusion to you, i'm here to do the work of my father who sent me, mark 1 vs 1 The beginning of the gospel of Jesus Christ, the Son of God;
2 As it is written in the prophets, Behold, I send my messenger before thy face, which shall prepare thy way before thee.

acts 8 vs 37 And Philip said, If thou believest with all thine heart, thou mayest. And he answered and said, I believe that Jesus Christ is the Son of God., he is the only begotten of the father father flesh and the 2nd member of the God head don't contradict ur self

You still haven't answered my question

1.
U are created, satan is created... hence ur believe is that u share in brotherhood with satan... but u go a step further to claim a being that was not created but was with God before creation is a brother to a created being who is the father of lies....

2.
Are u a brother to God or a child of God..

3. Are u a brother to lucifer.

You keep claiming i misunderstand u but u keep dodging my questions...

parisbookaddict:


You still haven't answered my question

1.
U are created, satan is created... hence ur believe is that u share in brotherhood with satan... but u go a step further to claim a being that was not created but was with God before creation is a brother to a created being who is the father of lies....

2.
Are u a brother to God or a child of God..

3. Are u a brother to lucifer.

You keep claiming i misunderstand u but u keep dodging my questions...

and I keep answering you buh u pretend not to see the answers cos you have ur mind fixed on sumtin u re trying to prove it's a case of simple understanding n I knw u already knw wot u re asking contention is not of the Lord so it best be avoided thanks

Leon2036:
and I keep answering you buh u pretend not to see the answers cos you have ur mind fixed on sumtin u re trying to prove it's a case of simple understanding n I knw u already knw wot u re asking contention is not of the Lord so it best be avoided thanks

Nope.. I want to understand the mormon approach to theology. .

Can u be brave enough to answer the 3 questions

1.
U are created, satan is created... hence ur believe is that u share in brotherhood with satan... but u go a step further to claim a being that was not created but was with God before creation is a brother to a created being who is the father of lies....

2.
Are u a brother to God or a child of God..

3. Are u a brother to lucifer.

@ Leon2036

Is it true that when you get to a point, you are taught that Jesus and Satan were actually brothers?

Are you aware that Jesus was the very Word of God which was in the bosom of the Father which became flesh ( having been born in Bethlehem)?

You cannot even begin to equate man with angels as they are not in the same class. Angels are ministering spirits (servant spirits) sent to serve God's children. [Hebrews 1:14].

As a matter of fact, we will judge angels at the end of time [1Cor 6:3].

So how did you come about equating the eternal, indestructible, Word of God (Jesus Christ) with Satan?

parisbookaddict:


Nope.. I want to understand the mormon approach to theology. .

Can u be brave enough to answer the 3 questions

1.
U are created, satan is created... hence ur believe is that u share in brotherhood with satan... but u go a step further to claim a being that was not created but was with God before creation is a brother to a created being who is the father of lies....

2.
Are u a brother to God or a child of God..

3. Are u a brother to lucifer.

1 before lucifer became the father of all lies he was one of God's most beloved creation, the bible made us understand that he was the bright morning star the shining one ,
2, i'm a child of God and a brother to jesus christ the only begotten of the his father in flesh.
3, I was a brother to lucifer before he was disowned and cast down from heaven before he became the father of all lies and when he was still the bright morning star God created.

donnie:
@ Leon2036

Is it true that when you get to a point, you are taught that Jesus and Satan were actually brothers?

Are you aware that Jesus was the very Word of God which was in the bosom of the Father which became flesh ( having been born in Bethlehem)?

You cannot even begin to equate man with angels as they are not in the same class. Angels are ministering spirits (servant spirits) sent to serve God's children. [Hebrews 1:14].

As a matter of fact, we will judge angels at the end of time [1Cor 6:3].

So how did you come about equating the eternal, indestructible, Word of God (Jesus Christ) with Satan?

a simple logic I want u to answer for me, before God sent jesus christ to die for our sins, who was the 1st person that said here I am send me, i'll go and do thy will not one soul will be lost and after which the Glory will be mine?

Leon2036:
1 before lucifer became the father of all lies he was one of God's most beloved creation, the bible made us understand that he was the bright morning star the shining one ,
2, i'm a child of God and a brother to jesus christ the only begotten of the his father in flesh.
3, I was a brother to lucifer before he was disowned and cast down from heaven before he became the father of all lies and when he was still the bright morning star God created.

Straight forward answers this time..nice

From our earlier discussion, Both of us agree that Jesus is part of God in the trinity and existed before creation. ..

But u insist on saying " i'm a child of God and a brother to jesus christ the only begotten of the his [sic] father in flesh."

If Jesus is God the son why then do u claim to be a child of God but only a brother to jesus..
So u are a brother to your creator..

Do u see how u contradict self. .


Cant u see how u deny the father and the son by your distinction

1 John 2:22, 'Who is the liar? It is whoever denies that
Jesus is the Christ. Such a person is the antichrist--denying the Father and the Son.


These little things amount to blasphemy with huge consequences

Leon2036:
a simple logic I want u to answer for me, before God sent jesus christ to die for our sins, who was the 1st person that said here I am send me, i'll go and do thy will not one soul will be lost and after which the Glory will be mine?

U keep answering questions with questions.. this is the difficulty i have with our convo.


donnie made a strong point. . The same thing i have been trying to get u to admit...

U are very wrong to claim the everlasting king of peace, word of God and salvation of mankind is a bother to a created fallen angel (even before he fell).. satan has always wanted equality with God and u mormons agree he was a brother to Jesus (God the Son)..hence u agree with satan...

If u insist on your (mormon);theory/conjecture then produce just one verse that confirms your brotherhood theory....just one....

PRODUCE ONE VERSE

parisbookaddict:


Straight forward answers this time..nice

From our earlier discussion, Both of us agree that Jesus is part of God in the trinity and existed before creation. ..

But u insist on saying " i'm a child of God and a brother to jesus christ the only begotten of the his [sic] father in flesh."

If Jesus is God the son why then do u claim to be a child of God but only a brother to jesus..
So u are a brother to your creator..

Do u see how u contradict self. .


Cant u see how u deny the father and the son by your distinction

1 John 2:22, 'Who is the liar? It is whoever denies that
Jesus is the Christ. Such a person is the antichrist--denying the Father and the Son.


These little things amount to blasphemy with huge consequences

then u re indirectly saying christ was blasphemous for saying greater is he that sent me? or u 4got when he said why are u trading in my father's house? my dear remember I and my father are one no man come unto my father except through me! can one person be a father and a son? can one person be the sender and the messenger? the bible it self has a lot of contradiction buh we should be sure to learn the right principles

parisbookaddict:



U keep answering questions with questions.. this is the difficulty i have with our convo.


donnie made a strong point. . The same thing i have been trying to get u to admit...

U are very wrong to claim the everlasting king of peace, word of God and salvation of mankind is a bother to a created fallen angel (even before he fell).. satan has always wanted equality with God and u mormons agree he was a brother to Jesus (God the Son)..hence u agree with satan...

If u insist on your (mormon);theory/conjecture then produce just one verse that confirms your brotherhood theory....just one....

PRODUCE ONE VERSE

if he was powerful enough to along with him one tenth of the host of heaven then I think think should know how powerful he was, don't get me wrong i'm not proclaiming proclaiming mormon brotherhood theory as there is nothing as such, I asked him a question u should have waited for him to answer n see what i'll say.

Leon2036:
then u re indirectly saying christ was blasphemous for saying greater is he that sent me? or u 4got when he said why are u trading in my father's house? my dear remember I and my father are one no man come unto my father except through me! can one person be a father and a son? can one person be the sender and the messenger? the bible it self has a lot of contradiction buh we should be sure to learn the right principles

Jesus was very correct, he is God the son...
NOW do you see why i said human like to complicate things. . U have misunderstood that verse and given it ur mormon understanding. .

Let me give u an Analogy to explain why he is correct.

Ur father and you his son are genetically similar.. A simple DNA test will show that you are his son... but ur father is not ur mate..you will respect him and obey his instructions. . However he is a gifted engineer and regularly builds robots to do things around the house... no amount of DNA testing can show u are a dna match to one of the robots who claims u are his brother. .

From this simple analogy... your DNA is same with ur father... you obey your father but ur father does not need to obey you because u are not greater than him..

A robot claiming u are his brother is malfunctioning and doesnot need to be taken seriously. .

Is this Analogy too compilcated for u??

Leon2036:
if he was powerful enough to along with him one tenth of the host of heaven then I think think should know how powerful he was, don't get me wrong i'm not proclaiming proclaiming mormon brotherhood theory as there is nothing as such, I asked him a question u should have waited for him to answer n see what i'll say.

Okay we will wait for him to reply you ..in the meantime produce one verse from the Christian bible that agrees with the brotherhood claim u mentioned. ..

Its funny u are now saying that there is no such thing as the mormon brotherhood theory but at the same time u keep insisting that satan is a brother to your creator who u also claim is ur brother......


Please while we wait for donnie, PRODUCE ONE VERSE saying Jesus is a brother to lucifer. .

I have more questions for u...so lets get this going quick

Leon2036:
if he was powerful enough to along with him one tenth of the host of heaven .

Please also produce one verse from the bible that says 1/10th of the angels went with him since u claimed " he was powerful enough to along with him one tenth of the host of heaven"

parisbookaddict:


Jesus was very correct, he is God the son...
NOW do you see why i said human like to complicate things. . U have misunderstood that verse and given it ur mormon understanding. .

Let me give u an Analogy to explain why he is correct.

Ur father and you his son are genetically similar.. A simple DNA test will show that you are his son... but ur father is not ur mate..you will respect him and obey his instructions. . However he is a gifted engineer and regularly builds robots to do things around the house... no amount of DNA testing can show u are a dna match to one of the robots who claims u are his brother. .

From this simple analogy... your DNA is same with ur father... you obey your father but ur father does not need to obey you because u are not greater than him..

A robot claiming u are his brother is malfunctioning and doesnot need to be taken seriously. .

Is this Analogy too compilcated for u??

lol so DNA issue verry funny just answer 1 of my questions please, can 1 person be a messenger and the sender??

Leon2036:
lol so DNA issue verry funny just answer 1 of my questions please, can 1 person be a messenger and the sender??

Like i said. ..it is difficult discussing with u when u neglect my questions and ask questions instead of answering mine...

If u have a more knowledgeable mormon as a friend please encourage the person to create a thread where i and others can ask him questions since u seem unsuitable for this Q&A..



And let me answer this question of yours with a question like u do......can u create the world and all of humanity with your words....if u cant then u cant be a Messenger and sender..if u can then anything is possible. .

parisbookaddict:


Okay we will wait for him to reply you ..in the meantime produce one verse from the Christian bible that agrees with the brotherhood claim u mentioned. ..

Its funny u are now saying that there is no such thing as the mormon brotherhood theory but at the same time u keep insisting that satan is a brother to your creator who u also claim is ur brother......


Please while we wait for donnie, PRODUCE ONE VERSE saying Jesus is a brother to lucifer. .

I have more questions for u...so lets get this going quick

I didn't say the bible stated that lucifer was a brother to jesus, I only said logically it is safe to say so, now in all this if may understand u correctly are u saying jesus is the father and also the son that God, was the one nailed on the cross? are u saying he duplicate him self to be to when he said the works of my father? please educate me what u meant!

parisbookaddict:


Like i said. ..it is difficult discussing with u when u neglect my questions and ask questions instead of answering mine...

If u have a more knowledgeable mormon as a friend please encourage the person to create a thread where i and others can ask him questions since u seem unsuitable for this Q&A..



And let me answer this question of yours with a question like u do......can u create the world and all of humanity with your words....if u cant then u cant be a Messenger and sender..if u can then anything is possible. .

u re confusing ur self my dear u asked a question that I have answered already, buh u seem to neglect the answers cos u feel u knw wot u re looking for already, if u ask a question ask directly then i'd answer directly buh u re asking as if u want me to say wot u knw, u re right i'm not too good at online conversations buh i'm learning I prefer facial convos, but I think if you ask me direct question I can answer directly

parisbookaddict:


Like i said. ..it is difficult discussing with u when u neglect my questions and ask questions instead of answering mine...

If u have a more knowledgeable mormon as a friend please encourage the person to create a thread where i and others can ask him questions since u seem unsuitable for this Q&A..



And let me answer this question of yours with a question like u do......can u create the world and all of humanity with your words....if u cant then u cant be a Messenger and sender..if u can then anything is possible. .

my dear since u prove to be more knowledgeable than I am please can u help me explain who Jesus christ was begging in matt 26 vs 42since he duplicated him self to be the father and th son?

Leon2036:
we believe in life after death as such we believe in marriage for time and all eternity we believe it to be a modern day revelation, in the early formation of the church polygamous marriage was practised in the church it took a long while and thru revelation that it was stopped as such any man or woman who practices polygamous marriage otherwise none as plural marriage cannot become or remain a member of the church!!!

I didn't still see the bible back up on your sealing of celestial marriage and maintaining the same family in hereafter.
Also blood atonement, what's your view

soonest:

I didn't still see the bible back up on your sealing of celestial marriage and maintaining the same family in hereafter.
Also blood atonement, what's your view

revelation 1vs6 and 5vs10 ecclesiastics 3vs14, blood atonement is as simple as everybody sees it, it was made by christ when he bleed and died for our sins

Leon2036:
a lot of people has so many misconceptions about THE CHURCH OF JESUS CHRIST OF LATTER DAY SAINTS popularly known as the MORMONS, I knw i'm not fit to answer all your questions, buh promise to answer to best of my knowledge just to clear some of your doubts about us!! so here I am as your questions as i'll gladly answer with scriptural references .

Is sex between unmarried people in Mormon a sin?

chuna1985:



Is sex between unmarried people in Mormon a sin?

sex between 2 un married persons in every christian denomination is a sin

Leon2036:
sex between 2 un married persons in every christian denomination is a sin

I heard otherwise from a Mormon fellow.

Secondly, Mormon preachers (The ones on a certain mission that weat white n black) that I lived with always always always indulge in sexual intercourse.

Thirdly the Mormon bible is quite different from d normal bible I know, even though they are also very similar

chuna1985:


I heard otherwise from a Mormon fellow.

Secondly, Mormon preachers (The ones on a certain mission that weat white n black) that I lived with always always always indulge in sexual intercourse.

Thirdly the Mormon bible is quite different from d normal bible I know, even though they are also very similar

1what u heard is false, 2, they missionaries and they have fleshly desires like every human since they couldn't control theirs, their judgement is left for God, and No the LDS bible is not different from the normal kjv bible, it only has sum of the things the normal 1 doesn't have like topical guide and bible dictionary.

Leon2036:
1n what u hear hear false, 2, they missionaries and they have fleshly desires like every human since they couldn't control theirs, their judgement is left for God, and No the LDS bible is not different from the normal kjv bible, it only has sum of the things the normal 1 doesn't have like topical guide and bible dictionary.

Dry keep postponing till judgement day

chuna1985:



Dry keep postponing till judgement day

mind If I ask what i'm postponing??

Leon2036:
a simple logic I want u to answer for me, before God sent jesus christ to die for our sins, who was the 1st person that said here I am send me, i'll go and do thy will not one soul will be lost and after which the Glory will be mine?

Can you please provide clear scripture quotations/references for what you are trying to infer? ...then I can answer you properly.

However, Isaiah made such a declaration according to the Holy bible, not Jesus.

Leon2036:
then u re indirectly saying christ was blasphemous for saying greater is he that sent me? or u 4got when he said why are u trading in my father's house? my dear remember I and my father are one no man come unto my father except through me! can one person be a father and a son? can one person be the sender and the messenger? the bible it self has a lot of contradiction buh we should be sure to learn the right principles

Contradictions? I see you are confused.
When you understand who Jesus really is, then all your confusion will be cleared.

Jesus is the Word of God made flesh. He came from the Word of the father. The father spoke to a woman named Mary and that Word, having been incubated upon by the Holy Ghost, became Jesus.

Jesus referring to the father as the greater one should only be seen in the light of the Word: IT IS THE FATHER WHO SENT HIS WORD. So the speaker is greater than the Word that he gives. However, the word represents him fully. His word is him! An encounter with the word is an encounter with deity. The word is completely God. That is why demons trembled at His Word (and they still do). The one who was seen riding on a horse, who will judge this world at the end of time is called THE WORD OF GOD.

Prayerfully read the book of John Chapter One. it will open your eyes.

donnie:


Contradictions? I see you are confused.
When you understand who Jesus really is, then all your confusion will be cleared.

Jesus is the Word of God made flesh. He came from the Word of the father. The father spoke to a woman named Mary and that Word, having been incubated upon by the Holy Ghost, became Jesus.

Jesus referring to the father as the greater one should only be seen in the light of the Word: IT IS THE FATHER WHO SENT HIS WORD. So the speaker is greater than the Word that he gives. However, the word represents him fully. His word is him! An encounter with the word is an encounter with deity. The word is completely God. That is why demons trembled at His Word (and they still do). The one who was seen riding on a horse, who will judge this world at the end of time is called THE WORD OF GOD.

Prayerfully read the book of John Chapter One. it will open your eyes.

you re the confusing your self sir, can u please read John 14 and John 16 and see that jesus carefully explained the three God head been the father, son and holy Ghost, can u see hat he said they know not my father nor me, can u see that he said u would get a comforter (the Holy Ghost) which my father will send? or u didn't see where he said ye shall see me no more becos I go to my father?
ok now Matthew 26 vs 39 and 42 explains that he when the sins of the world where t much he begged the father that if possible the cup should pass thru him not by his will but by the will of his father, well I don't know your understanding of the bible but to my understanding jesus christ the saviour of the world is the 2nd member of the God head the remaining two being the father and the Holy Ghost thank you

donnie:


Can you please provide clear scripture quotations/references for what you are trying to infer? ...then I can answer you properly.

However, Isaiah made such a declaration according to the Holy bible, not Jesus.

u just said it sir the book of isaiah or is isaiah no longer part of the bible??

Leon2036:
a lot of people has so many misconceptions about THE CHURCH OF JESUS CHRIST OF LATTER DAY SAINTS popularly known as the MORMONS, I knw i'm not fit to answer all your questions, buh promise to answer to best of my knowledge just to clear some of your doubts about us!! so here I am as your questions as i'll gladly answer with scriptural references .

Q1/ Why would you rather be defined by the book of MORMON and not by CHRIST? e.g "you are a mormon"

I actually find mormonism a very strange faith. I once engaged two mormon sisters (missionaries) in discussion about momornism and what I learnt from them made me more doubtful about your faith. They look more like some very ancient pagan beliefs.

You believe that all men were in heaven before being born

You equally belief that the physical life is part of a process that can eventually turn man into "God" i.e you claimed Joseph Smith has now become an angel - but do you even know that although angels are more powerful than man, God has ranked man above angels - making them our servants. Q2/ How does a son becoming a servant a progess?

On a more careful study, the lives of Joseph Smith and Mohammed are very similar... I can say more about this it if you want

Leon2036:
you re the confusing your self sir, can u please read John 14 and John 16 and see that jesus carefully explained the three God head been the father, son and holy Ghost, can u see hat he said they know not my father nor me, can u see that he said u would get a comforter (the Holy Ghost) which my father will send? or u didn't see where he said ye shall see me no more becos I go to my father?
ok now Matthew 26 vs 39 and 42 explains that he when the sins of the world where t much he begged the father that if possible the cup should pass thru him not by his will but by the will of his father, well I don't know your understanding of the bible but to my understanding jesus christ the saviour of the world is the 2nd member of the God head the remaining two being the father and the Holy Ghost thank you

Of course Jesus is a part of the God-head. Look, you are busy talking plenty. You totally ignored the scriptures I provided for your study and went on to quote others. What really are you trying to achieve? Are you trying to show show that Jesus was the brother of Lucifer or to prove your assertion that the bible is contradictory?