It seems you aren't really understanding the Supernatural connection Jesus has with His Father, as we all know Jesus never once called Himself a God-He always claimed He is doing His Fathers work, from an early age-Jesus knew who His Father was.
Jesus and God are connected-they are one, Jesus is God's seed-and Mary being His Mother-she to shares in that same seed.
Jesus had a strong relationship with both seeds.

{If we were to study ourselves in the natural' of course our seeds will belong to our fathers and mothers-being connected to a family} Jesus's seed was connected with His Father and Mother. {In the natural' most of us would follow after our Fathers,some our mothers-Like Jesus did.
I never had that chance connecting to my father, all I knew he was in the military' some of us are lucky, having a father around, will course his seed to grow, his own wisdom and knowledge weather in God or else where-would spread through his family tree.
From his father and the father before-it takes a little loving for any family seed to make it through to the next generation, and the next.}
Isn't Jesus doing the same-spreading His Fathers seed across to every generation.
2 Corinthians 6:18 "I will be a Father to you, And you shall be My sons and daughters. Says the Lord almighty.
So with connecting our seeds with Christ are we now called to be His sons and daughters. Children of the living God-which makes us part of God's family, what Jesus had started. and with the help of His Spirit we are also spreading His seed across every generation.

John 10:30 Jesus said: I and the Father are one.
See no-one has seen God at any time-because God is Love. He's the light that shines in us-and with that light the word shines through us.
2 Corinthians 4:6 "For God, who said, let light shine out of darkness, "made His light shine in our hearts, to give us the light of the knowledge of God's glory displayed in the face of Christ.

Jesus never once told anybody He is God, its His seed, that joins together as one with His Father.
Jesus never once disobeyed His Father-but obeyed Him true and true. Jesus and the father are one-their is no sin in God and their is no sin in Christ, meaning to say-the two are one.
In the natural It's the same with your fathers seed-you are one with him.

dolphinheart:
@ alexis



The New Testament, in An
Improved Version, Upon the
Basis of Archbishop Newcom
New Translation: With a
Corrected Text, London.
http://www.bible-researcher.com/belsham.html

There are several others and maybe you can use these two webpages to find them .

http://onlytruegod.org/defense/john1.1c.htm

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_1:1


I said manuscripts, not manuscript.
There are several that in which such words are not found.

Many other more recent Bible
versions likewise recognize the spurious added text and omit it, including the New International Version, American Standard Version and New American Standard Bible, English Standard Version, New English Bible and
Revised English Bible, New American Bible, Jerusalem Bible and New Jerusalem Bible, Good News Bible, New Living Translation, HolmanChristian Standard Bible, Bible in Basic English and the Twentieth Century New Testament.

“The textual evidence is against 1 John 5:7,” explains Dr. Neil Lightfoot, a New Testament professor. “Of all the Greek manuscripts,[/b] only two contain it.[/b]
These two manuscripts are of
very late dates, one from the
fourteenth or fifteenth century
and the other from the sixteenth century. Two other manuscripts have this verse written in the margin. All four manuscripts show that this verse was apparently translated from a late form of the Latin Vulgate” ( How
We Got the Bible, 2003,
pp. 100-101).

http://www.ucg.org/bible-study-tools/booklets/is-god-a-trinity/a-spurious-reference-to-the-trinity-added-in-1-john-5-7


http://www.biblicalunitarian.com/verses/1-john-5-7-8

Pls read this

tyndalearchive.com/scriptures/www.innvista.com/scriptures/compare/trinity.htm

In the Roman Catholic
tradition, the Latin Nova Vulgata
(New Vulgate), published in
1979 following the Second
Vatican Council, based on the
Critical Text and approved for
liturgical use, does not include
the Comma.[2] Nor does the
English-language New
American Bible.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Comma_Johanneum


So since you have access to most of these manuscripts, pls check them to see what 1 john 5:7 says and compare with what the site I posted said.



Your point is quite clear, I'm just telling you that the scriptures does not support ur views. That there are two CEO's in a company does not mean they have equal authority and privileges. Even if jesus is a CEO, he is still subjected to God, his father. And watever authority or power that jesus had, he was giving by his God.

On 2 Col 2:9 , Was the apostle Paul there saying that the “fulness” that was in Christ made Christ God himself? Not according to , where Christ is said to be “seated at the right hand of God.”

Col 3:1 Since, then, you have been raised with Christ, set your hearts on things above, where Christ is, seated at the right hand of God.

Col 1:19
For God was pleased to have all his fullness dwell in him,



Thomas made the statement, not jesus, will you now retract accusation?



First the use of God with capital G is from translations, not from the greek manuscripts and definitely not from thomas' mouth.

A translations gives that verse thus : "My Lord and my God!"
Thomas exclaimed.

Jesus is a mighty God. But who did jesus tell mary earlier in that chapter to tell the disciples that ours and his God is?

"Jesus said, “Do not hold on to me, for I have not yet ascended to the Father. Go instead to my brothers and tell them, ‘I am ascending to my Father and your Father, to my God and your God.’ ”
Therefore jesus is not the almighty God as he made us realize he has a God . Hebrew 1:9 also supports this view .

"You have loved righteousness
and hated wickedness; therefore God, your God, has set you above your companions by anointing you with the oil of joy.


Verse 7 helps to identify the speaker : " I will be their God and they will be my children."
Inasmuch as Jesus referred to
those who are joint heirs with
him in his Kingdom as “brothers,” not “sons,” the speaker must be Jesus’ heavenly Father, Jehovah God.
Heb 2:10-12
Mat 25:40




Yes you are correct .


Nop, I do not agree that it is jehovah that is being referenced .

................
Ill like to ask you to tell me ur views of 5 scriptures I will quote here, and relate it to trinity.

1. 1Cor 11:3
But I want you to realize that
the head of every man is
Christ, and the head of the
woman is man, and the head
of Christ is God.

2. 1cor 15:27-28
27 For he “has put everything under his feet.” c Now when it says that “everything” has been put under him, it is clear that this does not
include God himself, who put everything under Christ.
28 When he has done this, then the Son himself will be made subject to him who put
everything under him, so that God may be all in all.

3. John 17:3
3 Now this is eternal life:
that they know you, the
only true God, and Jesus
Christ, whom you have sent.

4. 1 cor 8:5-6
"there are so-called gods,
whether in heaven or on earth
(as indeed there are many
“gods” and many “lords”),
6 yet for us there is but one God, the Father, from whom all things came and for whom we live; and there is but one Lord, Jesus Christ, through whom all things came and through whom we live.

5. 1 peter 1:3
Praise be to[b] the God and
Father of our Lord Jesus. Christ![/b] In his great mercy he has given us new birth into a living hope through the
resurrection of Jesus Christ
from the dead.

alexis:


Here is Jehovah witness stance since you said Jesus wasn't a spirit. Jehovah witnesses believe that Jesus was resurrected as a spirit:

http://www.jw.org/en/bible-teachings/questions/jesus-body/

Later, una go claim otherwise

From the same link you quoted:

After his resurrection, Jesus also assumed human form temporarily, just as angels had previously done.

Brocab tell me what you think?

And what exactly Jws did to you.




Meanwhile im meeting with the elders today.
Prayers for me Family.

If I could understand your English, I may answer your question?

Sarang:
Brocab tell me what you think?

And what exactly Jws did to you.




Meanwhile im meeting with the elders today.
Prayers for me Family.

makavele:


From the same link you quoted:

After his resurrection, Jesus also assumed human form temporarily, just as angels had previously done.

There is no where in the Bible it said Jesus assumed human form temporarily. Why do you guys keep twisting the Bible to suit your teachings. The fact is that Jesus was never a spirit after his resurrection but you guys claimed he was.

Luke 24:39 = Look at my hands and my feet. It is I myself! Touch me and see; a ghost does not have flesh and bones, as you see I have."

That is Jesus telling Thomas he wasn't a spirit. He ate and talked with his disciples and multiple witnesses and yet you guys claimed he was a spirit. It's some of the heresy that only God can forgive.

alexis:


There is no where in the Bible it said Jesus assumed human form temporarily. . . . ..

show me where it is said in the Bible. . that "you must not smoke, or you must not do drugs" >?

Quote>And what exactly JW's do to you.
So what makes you think that I am against you? As a Christian I am supporting the truth. "Christ" And of course the bible.
And its sad' when I hear religious groups like yours claiming to know Christ and yet, none of you preach Christ as he is.
Jesus had warned us about false prophets, who and will deceive many "and we both know" its the watchtower with other religious denominational groups' who are denying Christ as He stands.
The JW's believe that Jesus is not God-but a god.
John 1:1 "In the beginning was the word, and the word was with God, and the word was God.
Remember I had written about God's seed.
John 10:30 "I and the Father are one.
It is you JW's who deny the deity of Christ, deny that He is God made flesh, deny that He is to be worshipped, and deny that it was God who shed His blood on the cross for sinners. Your New World Translation have mistranslated many passages of scriptures simply to make you agree with these false doctrines.
Even the Jews said to Jesus He was a god" not the word was God.
John 10:33-35 "The Jews answered Him for a good work we do not stone you, but for blasphemy and because you being a man make yourself to be a god, Jesus answered them, has it not been written in your law, I said you are gods, If He called them gods, to whom the word of God came.
The Jews didn't like the idea, God had given Jesus all His authority, how else could Jesus do the things He done' without His Father.
Ephesians 4:11 "And these are the gifts Christ gave to the Church, some apostles, some prophets, and evangelist the pastors and teachers, for the equipping of the saints, for the work of service-to the building up the body of Christ.
This is what makes up the body of Christ-Jesus is alive today' as He was back then. Miracles through prayer and the body are still operational.
Matthew 28:18 "Then Jesus came to them and said: all authority in Heaven and on Earth has been given to Me.
As I had written earlier, Jesus and the Father had shared the same seed, and that seed carries no sin.

So I am not against you-I just can't believe you would prefer to take the lie to the neighbourhoods, rather then believe in the love of the truth.
2 Thessalonians 2:10-11 "And all unrighteous deception among those who perish, because they did not receive the love of the truth, that they might be saved. "And for this reason God will send them strong delusion, that they should believe the lie.

Sarang:
Brocab tell me what you think?

And what exactly Jws did to you.




Meanwhile im meeting with the elders today.
Prayers for me Family.

makavele:


show me where it is said in the Bible. . that "you must not smoke, or you must not do drugs" >?

You need to learn how to debate. One can't argue from silence which is what you are doing. The Bible never mentioned Nigeria but we know Nigeria exist. The Bible never mentioned America but we know America exist. The Bible never mentioned the Internet but we know the Internet exist. The Bible never mentioned iPhone but we know Apple makes iPhone. So, stop arguing from silence because it's a very weak position you are taking.

The Bible never mentioned sniffing cocaine or heroine but we know those things are bad for you. However, the Bible clearly states that Jesus resurrected in a bodily form and he wasn't a ghost or spirit - THAT THE BIBLE CONFIRMED. So, twisting it to satisfy your Jehocah Witness theology doesn't work. The Bible is the Bible

You call yourself a Christian, and you call yourself EVILFOREST-good and evil don't mix together.
1 John 1:5-6 "This is the message we have heard from Him, and we declare to you. God is light and their is no darkness at all.
If we say we have fellowship with Him and yet walk in darkness, we lie and do not practice the truth.

EVILFOREST:
I WITNESS JEHOVAH but am not a member.
I LOVE them so much because,
---Of all the CHRISTAIN denominations....
They are the MOST Enlightened, Educated, Exposed.
It is usually difficult to SPOT the Illiterates among them.

They train their KIDS to be resourceful in future
They are good at PUBLIC SPEAKING.
They dress modest.
They rarely give in, to the changes of the new age.

They study the BIBLE more than any other denomination.

Above all they have the BEST EVANGELISM network, involving both the rich and the poor. (youngest and oldest)
Their CLERGYMEN talk cautiously, unlike many others who talk back at the congregation carelessly.
Never MONEY driven nor conscious.

I always entertained them right from my CHILDHOOD and I have learnt a lot.
I just wish I can worship GOD, the way they do.
MOST times I feel ashamed as a christain when I see them.
I see them as CHRISTAIN EXTREMISTS.
I hope to pay them a visit soonest.

I Love them.

You should love the JW's-you both refuse Christ as your lord and savour.

iamrealdeji:
I'm a muslim but I love Jehovah Witnesses so much,they come to my house every sunday and we talk about life,afterlife etc,my mum is an Alhaja and she does too,she entertains Jehovah witness folks and even offers them food cos you just gotta like this people cos of the way they interact with everybody, they're very intelligent,hardworking and educated folks and they don't discriminate,they don't hate,they're just trying to change the world positively. To me,they're the best christians in the world. Also,i have learned a lot from those that come to my house

Yes they do preach the truth about their own, but not about Christ.

Nicolars:
Jw ar actually not bad

People just critisizes them bcus they preach d truth

And wat now surprises me is dat, no matter wat they say, they always back it up with d bible, hw come they ar false xtians

Lets start at John 1:1.

Nicolars:

Dats a lie

Tell me 1 of their doctrines and were it contradicts the bible

I will tell u urz and hw it contradicts d bible

You don't want to preach it-and if you could preach it, you would confuse the neighbourhoods.

jemype:
but those whose core doctrines dont contradict the bible dont have time to preach it

So what makes you think that I am against you?

[/color]Because if you are not,you wont be here calling us names.



[color=#000099]And you think we are not preaching christ as he is?


[/color]Really? You must be God's second son to have known who the anti-christ are..I doubt if even the apostles do.



[color=#000099]What bible version did you read?
Tell me and I will give a lot more that Contradicts Jesus being God aside NW.

[/color]Do you ever reason hypothetically at all?
God made Flesh..ko
Jesus Prayed to whom? His Father the bible answered.
Who ressurected Jesus.His Father again.
My Father is GREATER than I am. I guess you ve never come accross that verse before. Ok


[color=#000099]1cor 11:3-...The head of a woman is her husband. Just as the head of a man is Christ...and the head of Christ is God.
Can you tell me what this verse means?


[/color]2cor 4:4...The god of this system of things has BLINDED the mind of the unbelievers that the light of truth may not shine through.

[color=#000099]From now on I want you to throw your doctrine away forawhile nd read the bible openmindedly. Thats how you understand a bit of it.

brocab:
You should love the JW's-you both refuse Christ as your lord and savour.

And the bible said "who made you the Judge over your brother?

[quote author=brocab post=40167972]Lets start at John 1:1.

Does John 1:1 prove that Jesus is God?


John 1:1, RS: “In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God [also KJ, JB, Dy, Kx, NAB].”

NE reads “what God was, the Word was.” MO says “the Logos was divine.” AT and SD tell us “the Word was divine.” The interlinear rendering of ED is “a god was the Word.” NW reads “the Word was a god”; NTIV uses the same wording.


I'm glad that many other translations aside NW renders different meanings to this context.

When you are done reading these scriptures..think deeply and lets talk.

John 1:1 "In the beginning was the word, and the word was with God, and the word was God.

John 1:14-17 "And the word became flesh and dwelt among us, and we beheld His glory, the glory as of the only begotten of the Father, full of grace and truth.
John bore witness of Him and cried out, saying, "This was He of whom I said, "He who comes after me is preferred before me, for He was before me.
And of His fullness we have all received, and grace for grace.
For the law was given through Moses, grace and truth came through Jesus Christ.

Revelation 19:13 "He was clothed with the rope dipped in blood, and His name is called The word of God.

John 1:18 "No one has seen God at any time, The only begotten Son, who is in the bosom of the Father. He has declared Him.

1 John 1:5 "God is light in Him there is no darkness at all.

Denying Christ as you do" you are worshipping a God you don't even know. Isn't that class as idol worship.

Luke 8:21 "And He answered and said to them, "My mother and My brothers are these who hear the word of God and do it.

Sarang:



And the bible said "who made you the Judge over your brother?

You still don't understand the seed, How Jesus is connected with God. Read the above.

Sarang:

So what makes you think that I am against you?

[/color]Because if you are not,you wont be here calling us names.



[color=#000099]And you think we are not preaching christ as he is?


[/color]Really? You must be God's second son to have known who the anti-christ are..I doubt if even the apostles do.



[color=#000099]What bible version did you read?
Tell me and I will give a lot more that Contradicts Jesus being God aside NW.

[/color]Do you ever reason hypothetically at all?
God made Flesh..ko
Jesus Prayed to whom? His Father the bible answered.
Who ressurected Jesus.His Father again.
My Father is GREATER than I am. I guess you ve never come accross that verse before. Ok


[color=#000099]1cor 11:3-...The head of a woman is her husband. Just as the head of a man is Christ...and the head of Christ is God.
Can you tell me what this verse means?


[/color]2cor 4:4...The god of this system of things has BLINDED the mind of the unbelievers that the light of truth may not shine through.

[color=#000099]From now on I want you to throw your doctrine away forawhile nd read the bible openmindedly. Thats how you understand a bit of it.

brocab:
John 1:1 "In the beginning was the word, and the word was with God, and the word was God.

Two persons mentioned here.

John 1:14-17 "And the word became flesh and dwelt among us, and we beheld His glory, the glory as of the only begotten of the Father, full of grace and truth.
His glory is as of the only begotten of the father, the word is the only begotten , not the father.
[quote]John bore witness of Him and cried out, saying, "This was He of whom I said, "He who comes after me is preferred before me, for He was before me.
And of His fullness we have all received, and grace for grace.
For the law was given through Moses, grace and truth came through Jesus Christ.

And what did God tell moses, he said " will send to the isrealites a prophet like you (moses).*rough quote*. Not "a god like me" , and jesus has been telling you on several occassions that all the authority and power that I show, the extraodinary things that I do, these things that you use to ellivate me to be equal to God, where all giving to me by my father, my God, my only true God. So that he(jesus) can show the world that he was sent by God.
He did not do a thing by his own initiative.

Revelation 19:13 "He was clothed with the rope dipped in blood, and His name is called The word of God.

John 1:18 "No one has seen God at any time, The only begotten Son, who is in the bosom of the Father. He has declared Him.

Some say "has explained him"
People have seen jesus , no one has seen the father at anytime. The father is the only true God, the father is the God of jesus. (1 pet 1:3) and as jesus told mary , the father is also our God.

1 John 1:5 "God is light in Him there is no darkness at all.

Denying Christ as you do" you are worshipping a God you don't even know. Isn't that class as idol worship.

Jesus is not equal to God, he never said so and the scriptures never said so. He never taught of grabbing such equality as Satan is trying to do. In heaven, he sits at the right hand of God, he is not God almighty.

TWO PERSONS ARE NOT MENTION HERE.
As we can see both seem to have one of the same equalities.
You still don't get it do you?

John 1:5 "God is light, In Him there is no darkness at all.
John 8:12 "Jesus is the light of the world. whoever follows Me will not walk in darkness.

As it shows, not one of you' really take any notes that has been written word for word of bible scriptures on this forum about Christ-that's about right-you don't even try to understand the truth.
No-one can help you understand-how the Lord had revealed such wisdom-given us a discernment about the word of God, without you having any understanding, I feel like I am trying to lead the blind-you have no knowledge how the Spirit of God reveals His secrets, concerning the bible.
You need to ask the Spirit of God to reveal such secrets of information to you. Going to your elders is a waste of time..

Praise the lord for ever more.

dolphinheart:


Two persons mentioned here.

brocab:
TWO PERSONS ARE NOT MENTION HERE.
As we can see both seem to have one of the same equalities.
You still don't get it do you?

John 1:5 "God is light, In Him there is no darkness at all.
John 8:12 "Jesus is the light of the world. whoever follows Me will not walk in darkness.

As it shows, not one of you really take any notes that's has been written word for word of bible scriptures on this forum about Christ-that's about right-you don't even try to understand the truth.
No-one can help you understand-how the Lord had revealed such wisdom-given us a discernment about the word of God, without you having any understanding, I feel like I am trying to lead the blind-you have no knowledge how the Spirit of God reveals His secrets, concerning the bible.
You need to ask the Spirit of God to reveal such secrets of information to you. Going to your elders is a waste of time..

Praise the lord for ever more.

The bold says it all.
Both of them are mentioned in that verse.
One was with the other.
Thanks for cutting of the rest of my post in ur reply.

That's right both of them are mentioned, and both of them are one the same.
No-one has seen God at any time-because God shined His light through Jesus. God is light.
John 1:18 "No-one has even seen God, but the one the only Son, {Jesus} who is Himself God, and in relationship with the Father, Has made Him known.

No-one seen God-before Jesus came.
2 Corinthians 4:6 "For God, who said, let light shine out of the darkness, " made His light shine in our hearts to give us the light of the knowledge of God's glory displayed in the face of Christ.


Jesus said one must be born again and be baptised into His name.
This is where you religious organisations go wrong, like the Catholic's, everyone is baptised under the banner of the Catholic Church, by doing it, this way-we find the Catholic's won't mix with other Christians who aren't Catholic.
Same with you JW's having the same ordeal, you were baptised under the banner of the JW's and again you won't mix with other Christians in Christ.
Christians means Christ like, and yet none of you religious forks mix with other Christians that's outside your Church.

dolphinheart:


The bold says it all.
Both of them are mentioned in that verse.
One was with the other.
Thanks for cutting of the rest of my post in ur reply.

brocab:
Luke 8:21 "And He answered and said to them, "My mother and My brothers are these who hear the word of God and do it.

You must love your neighbour as yourself..golden rule

brocab:
That's right both of them are mentioned, and both of them are one the same.
No-one has seen God at any time-because God shined His light through Jesus. God is light.
John 1:18 "No-one has even seen God, but the one the only Son, {Jesus} who is Himself God, and in relationship with the Father, Has made Him known.

No-one seen God-before Jesus came.
2 Corinthians 4:6 "For God, who said, let light shine out of the darkness, " made His light shine in our hearts to give us the light of the knowledge of God's glory displayed in the face of Christ.

Listen I don't know what the JW's have been teaching you-I don't believe you are even Spirit filled, I also don't believe you even know who Christ really is-you retrieve your information from your elders-who also haven't the slightest idea.
Jesus said one must be born again and be baptised into His name. This is where you religious organisations go wrong, like the Catholic's, everyone are baptised under the banner of the Church. Like the Mormons, everyone is baptised under the banner of the Church.
Not under Christ.

Leave Jws alone..

And mind your business.

I love Jw with my life nd I understands them perfectly.
But I dont seem to understand you cos your mind might be filled with hatred.
Told ya before right?..wash it off first.

Correcting my neighbour doesn't mean I am against him.
Isn't that what Christians do.

Sarang:




You must love your neighbour as yourself..golden rule

I am enjoying your company-I am not against you, as a neighbour I am sharing with you the same topic, we both enjoy, God.
The Lord reads everything I write to you-and we both enjoy spreading the truth to the nations.
I love you enough to say, with Christ we learn of each other.
You may love your fellowship with the JW's, and I do believe you' when you say, you understand them perfectly.
Also I believe you-when you say you don't understand me' when I write the truth to you about the bible, that says about God.
Quote>And what did ya tell me before right...wash it off first

Sarang:



Leave Jws alone..

And mind your business.

I love Jw with my life nd I understands them perfectly.
But I dont seem to understand you cos your mind might be filled with hatred.
Told ya before right?..wash it off first.

brocab:
That's right both of them are mentioned, and both of them are one the same.

Is jesus the same person as the father? Now that you have agreed that there are two persons mentioned there.

No-one has seen God at any time-because God shined His light through Jesus. God is light.

So wheneva anybody sees Gods light, its jesus they see. Jesus is now a light emanating from the father, and not a seperate entity with his own light?
But if you mean that one person shines his light through another person, then it means they are two seperate persons who can have conversation with each other and take instructions from each other.

John 1:18 "No-one has even seen God, but the one the only Son, {Jesus} who is Himself God, and in relationship with the Father, Has made Him known.

You can't be with another person and still be that same other person, even trinitarians and scholars dnt agree to that. Jesus is a seperate person from the father.

No-one seen God-before Jesus came.
2 Corinthians 4:6 "For God, who said, let light shine out of the darkness, " made His light shine in our hearts to give us the light of the knowledge of God's glory displayed in the face of Christ.

And did they see God when and after jesus came? No one has seen God at any time!

Jesus said one must be born again and be baptised into His name.

show scripture.

This is where you religious organisations go wrong, like the Catholic's, everyone is baptised under the banner of the Catholic Church, by doing it, this way-we find the Catholic's won't mix with other Christians who aren't Catholic.
Same with you JW's having the same ordeal, you were baptised under the banner of the JW's and again you won't mix with other Christians in Christ.
Christians means Christ like, and yet none of you religious forks mix with other Christians that's outside your Church.

How do the jw's baptise under their banner? .

John 17:21 "Jesus prays for the believers-"I do not pray for those alone, but also for those who will, believe in Me through their word. "That they ALL MAY BE ONE, AS YOU, FATHER, ARE IN ME, AND I IN YOU, that they also may be one in US, That the world may believe that you sent Me.
John 4:24 "God is Spirit and its necessary for those worshipping Him, to worship with Spirit and with truth.

So how can you say God the Father is another person? When Jesus clearly tells us God Spirit resides in Him. God's light shined through Jesus, God is Spirit, both are one seed together. The sinless seed of God, can only be revived by sinless blood, only Jesus carried that blood type to revive God's seed in us. Jesus is the door into the sheepfold, where the seed of the image of God, resides in man.
1 Corinthians 6:17 "But he who is joined to the Lord is one Spirit with Him.
Luke 8:11 "The seed is the word of God.
John1:1 "In the beginning was the word, and the word was with God, and the word was God.
John 1:14 " And the word became flesh and dwelt among us. {JESUS}
{BORN AGAIN}
John 3:3 "No one can see the kingdom of God' unless they are born again.
Read John 3:1-7 "This will give you a more clear view why you need to be born again.
{BAPTISED}
Matthew 28:19 "Therefore go and make disciples of all nation, baptising them in the name of the Father the Son and the Holy Spirit.
Whereus Jesus commanded to be baptised in the name of the Father the Son and the Holy Spirit, JW's are baptised on the bases of Jesus sacrifice, to Jehovah, in association with the spirit-directed organization. " This is yet another area where bible teaching are changed to elevate the watchtower organization.
{THE MYSTERY MAN}
When Moses went to the mountain, did he see God as a man? Or did he see God as a burning bush?
Did Abram see God as a man?
Elijah see God?
Adam seen the Lord God walking in the garden in the coolness of the day.
Wait he couldn't of seen God? "No" he said he had seen the Lord God-we know God is Spirit, God is light. In Genesis 1, God created the heavens and the earth, and the Spirit of God moved upon the face of the waters.
[color=#000099]{This opens up a hole new meaning, His Spirit acted once again} God created man in His own image-so does this mean we now have a mystery man Adam had seen walking in the garden? [/color]
This is got to be a good question to ask>were they the same person seen walking in the garden? Adam said he seen the Lord God walking in the garden? He didn't say he had seen the Father walking with His Son.
Don't forget, "I tell you the truth, Jesus answered, "before Abraham was born I am.

dolphinheart:


Is jesus the same person as the father? Now that you have agreed that there are two persons mentioned there.


So wheneva anybody sees Gods light, its jesus they see. Jesus is now a light emanating from the father, and not a seperate entity with his own light?
But if you mean that one person shines his light through another person, then it means they are two seperate persons who can have conversation with each other and take instructions from each other.


You can't be with another person and still be that same other person, even trinitarians and scholars dnt agree to that. Jesus is a seperate person from the father.



And did they see God when and after jesus came? No one has seen God at any time!


show scripture.

How do the jw's baptise under their banner? .

Morning folks

Efrankbblog:
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You want to revive the sentimental arguments and give people room to be insultive again? Haba! Apply wisdom and let it go now. Shuo

Efrankbblog:
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