I beg all of you in the name of God or whatever you believe in, please nothing like Biafra, Hausa-fulani and Yoruba here. This is strictly international politics/war discussion.

I've seen some really intelligent guys here analyse issues pertaining to war and international politics and I'm always impressed that we really have youths that are highly intelligent with a vast knowledge base. I'm a graduate of Political Science, an addict of international news media. I read widely and I have an insatiable appetite for reading on a wide range of fields mostly international politics and history. I did international relations in my course of study in the university.

All these said my opinion is that despite Russia's belligerent attitude and mouth-making, it stands no chance against the US in an all out war. Although they are both world powers in their rights and in a situation of war, their will be collateral damage but I have the believe that the US has a superior firepower to Russia. Enough said for now. My brainy ogas at the top, your views are welcome. Let's rub minds intellectually.

So what do u want and what did u know about international politics .
Did u as well know about Diplomacy and Logic, as u said u studied international relations.

Diplomacy isd key to everything and Logic is d answer

I think the US will fight Russia via NATO alliance. What do you make of Turkey's downing of a Russian military plane? I learnt the two pilots aboard the plan exited with their parachutes but didn't survive.

Putin now has told Turkey that there would be strong consequences. He even said that it was a stab in the back from Turkey.

fistonati:
So what do u want and what did u know about international politics .
Did u as well know about Diplomacy and Logic, as u said u studied international relations.

Diplomacy isd key to everything and Logic is d answer

Diplomacy is losing its appeal in recent times. Dreadfully, we have hawkish leaders and bloodthirsty groups across the globe presently. It's gloomy right now.

Politicos:
I think the US will fight Russia via NATO alliance. What do you make of Turkey's downing of a Russian military plane? I learnt the two pilots aboard the plan exited with their parachutes but didn't survive.

Putin now has told Russia that there would be strong consequences. He even said that it was a stab in the back from Turkey.

The only choice Russia has it to cut diplomatic ties with turkey as turkey said they have evidence Russian jet violated their air-space beside there will never be a world war 3 because the world leaders are wiser than ever and they sure knows the implication of another war,in case Russia want to launch a world war 3? they are going to end up like NAZIS,they will fight fight fight,kill kill kill and tire on a bad day just like NAZIS which will lead to their destruction,you cant fight the world,you can't fight all the super power at once,you are going to loose at the end

You're right just dt Putin is a strategist and he knows dt by hitting d NATO allies America will rethink and soft pedal. UK, France and Iran will be d beneficiary D's time cus France will sell planes, UK will handle ships and Iran will smile by selling chemical and atomic weapons.

Politicos:
I think the US will fight Russia via NATO alliance. What do you make of Turkey's downing of a Russian military plane? I learnt the two pilots aboard the plan exited with their parachutes but didn't survive.

Putin now has told Turkey that there would be strong consequences. He even said that it was a stab in the back from Turkey.

fistonati:
You're right just dt Putin is a strategist and he knows dt by hitting d NATO allies America will rethink and soft pedal. UK, France and Iran will be d beneficiary D's time cus France will sell planes, UK will handle ships and Iran will smile by selling chemical and atomic weapons.

The way Americans soft pedalled during world war 2? What you dont know is,if you fight NATO you are actually fighting american because NATO is America's proxy.Just take a look at the fight in Ukraine,do you realise how many tonnes of weapons and how many numbers of soldiers american has shipped to the eastern european countries?

bettercreature:
The only choice Russia has it to cut diplomatic ties with turkey as turkey said they have evidence Russian jet violated their air-space beside there will never be a world war 3 because the world leaders are wiser than ever and they sure knows the implication of another war,in case Russia want to launch a world war 3? they are going to end up like NAZIS,they will fight fight fight,kill kill kill and tire on a bad day just like NAZIS which will lead to their destruction,you cant fight the world,you can't fight all the super power at once,you are going to loose at the end

For Russia to successfully prosecute any large-scale war against western states it would certainly need China's military support, which is very improbable. China isn't interested in 'wasting' precious resources on egoistic wars. But you can't say this about Iran.

As for Turkey, for fear of retaliation from Russia, they quickly called a meeting of NATO states to discuss what it termed an unavoidable act. It is very unlikely that Russia would let this pass without retaliating directly or indirectly (a planned tactical 'error').

With the recent widespread pockets of arms struggle in various parts of the world, no one should rule out the possibility of another global war.

fistonati:
You're right just dt Putin is a strategist and he knows dt by hitting d NATO allies America will rethink and soft pedal. UK, France and Iran will be d beneficiary D's time cus France will sell planes, UK will handle ships and Iran will smile by selling chemical and atomic weapons.

Of course war means financial prosperity for arms traders.

Politicos:


For Russia to successfully prosecute any large-scale war against western states it would certainly need China's military support, which is very improbable. China isn't interested in 'wasting' precious resources on egoistic wars. But you can't say this about Iran.

As for Turkey, for fear of retaliation from Russia, they quickly called a meeting of NATO states to discuss what it termed an unavoidable act. It is very unlikely that Russia would let this pass without retaliating directly or indirectly (a planned tactical 'error').

With the recent widespread pockets of arms struggle in various parts of the world, no one should rule out the possibility of another global war.

Turkey wouldnt shot down Russian jet if they fear Russia,Russia can only bully small countries that got independent from them during the colapse of the sovient union,there will never be war as i said earlier the only thing turkey can do is to cut diplomatic ties,other things are just mere rhetorics

This is an important discuss I would have loved to be actively involved but for other important things.

While we can analyze the preponderance of the backers of this hostility I am more worried about how this will affect Nigeria.

Russia, China, North-Korea, Iran and other aligns have put nobody in doubt they are not America fans - these nations have been envisaging possible big friction with the west for about a decade now. In my opinion they would not be more surprised than the west if a war eventually breaks out.

I also agree NATO will be fronting for the western powers again. While the US is unarguably ready to enforce their dominance on the globe anytime I still see them applying caution when it comes to direct face-off with Russia. In addition, the western Europe have not really been excited by wars post Gulf war. They are also, currently, facing internal immigration crisis that is not abating soon.

American ships have sailed close to the China new Island, China has sailed closed to a disputed island with Japan, Russia has more than once crossed into other sovereignties and many more showboating.

I see this war in Black or White (no grey zone) - If it happened there will not be a celebrating victor ; as the damages will be too much to savor any victory.

Russia reaction to Turkey's salvo will make the picture become clearer in the coming days...

Ghandi12:
This is an important discuss I would have loved to be actively involved but for other important things.

While we can analyze the preponderance of the backers of this hostility I am more worried about how this will affect Nigeria.

Russia, China, North-Korea, Iran and other aligns have put nobody in doubt they are not America fans - these nations have been envisaging possible big friction with the west for about a decade now. In my opinion they would not be more surprised than the west if a war eventually breaks out.

I also agree NATO will be fronting for the western powers again. While the US is unarguably ready to enforce their dominance on the globe anytime I still see them applying caution when it comes to direct face-off with Russia. In addition, the western Europe have not really been excited by wars post Gulf war. They are also, currently, facing internal immigration crisis that is not abating soon.

American ships have sailed close to the China new Island, China has sailed closed to a disputed island with Japan, Russia has more than once crossed into other sovereignties and many more showboating.

I see this war in Black or White (no grey zone) - If it happened there will not be a celebrating victor ; as the damages will be too much to savor any victory.

Russia reaction to Turkey's salvo will make the picture become clearer in the coming days...

I think an open confrontation between russia,china or iran and neto is very very unlikely, as a lot will be at stake from every party. There are possibilities that in the coming days/weeks there will be rescind in lateral relationships, muscle flexing and violation of sovereign rights. This will have a very negative strain on the already fragile peace in the world. with crippling effect on the decisions of developing nations.

I don't think NATO would want to mess with Russia, Russia supplies over 60 percent of the gas used in Europe both parties would find away around this issue.

there as always been a cold war between Russia and the west we can't deny that fact an all out war for now is not possible......but I strongly feel this proxy war the united states and Russia is fighting in the middle east would strongly backfire on them, they both claim to share a common enemy ISIL once ISIL is handicapped in the middle east they would turn up the gear against themselves. there are so many interest groups, multinationals playing behind the scene not to get the middle east settled due to oil over there

this war in the middle east aside ISIL is simply about oil, who controls the oil, have you wondered whom ISIL has been selling the oil they extract in Syria and Iraq? many questions and the role of the Saudi Arabia and Iran

Ghandi12:
This is an important discuss I would have loved to be actively involved but for other important things.

While we can analyze the preponderance of the backers of this hostility I am more worried about how this will affect Nigeria.

Russia, China, North-Korea, Iran and other aligns have put nobody in doubt they are not America fans - these nations have been envisaging possible big friction with the west for about a decade now. In my opinion they would not be more surprised than the west if a war eventually breaks out.

I also agree NATO will be fronting for the western powers again. While the US is unarguably ready to enforce their dominance on the globe anytime I still see them applying caution when it comes to direct face-off with Russia. In addition, the western Europe have not really been excited by wars post Gulf war. They are also, currently, facing internal immigration crisis that is not abating soon.

American ships have sailed close to the China new Island, China has sailed closed to a disputed island with Japan, Russia has more than once crossed into other sovereignties and many more showboating.

I see this war in Black or White (no grey zone) - If it happened there will not be a celebrating victor ; as the damages will be too much to savor any victory.

Russia reaction to Turkey's salvo will make the picture become clearer in the coming days...

dispute over south China sea, I just feel America is just scared about the rising dominance of China, didn't america do the same....I don't feel the world we live in can accommodate an all out war due to the collateral damage the world is still dealing with Syrian and Iraqi migrants

I think the war for now would just be economic AND trying to kill each others economy, Russia's economy is dwindling and their stocks are going down I don't like they would want to accommodate another sanction

Russia has no clue the extent to US capability, neither does the US. The two countries have always been rivals at opposing ends. So we really can't say who is greater because we don't know. The thing is not knowing the extent of capability of either country checks and balances them for the rest of us in this world. They are both capable of fighting each other to the end. This is why they go to great lengths to spy on each other.

I think you guys should watch the last episode of madam secretary it showed alot of whats going to happen

following.

The US is well affiliated, widely connected with relevant powers of the world, and diplomatically strong, while Russia relies on her military/weapon strenght and limited international affiliation. International war is not just about guns and weapons, it also invloves strategic and diplomatic sanction including economic.

My deductions from comments made by Americans online:
1. Most Americans do not see any benefit accruing to the USA as a NATO member. Hence, would like her for her to pull out or if possible, disband the group. According to them, NATO is chiefly financed by the American taxpayer.
2. Most Americans would like for Turkey to be kicked out of NATO. According to them, Turkey brings nothing to the table;only plays along when it benefits them; denied the USA the use of their airspace cum territory in the Iraqi war.
3. Turkey (predominantly sunni) is not only sympathetic to the cause of ISIS (also sunni) but also its major trading partner.Turkey buys cheap crude from ISIS while helping ISIS procure high grade weapons by using her (Turkey) clout as a NATO member.
4. USA would not go to war with Russia because of Turkeys apparent stupidty; NATO or no NATO. this would not be the first time it would happen.Afterall the city state of ATHENS (world power of her time) broke a standing agreement/treaty with an ally (the city state of CORINTH) in favour of CORCYRA...the Athenians were practical in reaching their decision. Corcyras' navy was second only to that of ATHENS;as such, they had more to lose in siding with CORINTH than CORCYRA, treaty or no treaty.
5. Several centuries ago, the Arabians overran the christian empire of BYZANTIUM with its capital Constantinople in present day Turkey;swinging the tide (in the entire region) in favour of Islam. This invading army of islam, insatiable in their quest for global dominance, proceeded to invade Europe. A combination of brute force,tenacity of purpose and sheer luck enabled the Europeans to push them back. Turkey is doing the same thing again, in connivance with the islamic caliphate...only this time, they're doing it from the inside...assidiously working to islamize Europe.
6. over the last decade, Turkey has slowly drifted from being a moderate islamic country to becoming a major financier of terrorism.

Don't know why the name RUSSIA and PUTIN gives me the chill..

As for military strength, US is still greater than Russia as at today but if Russia aligns with US enemies, that I can not tell but the truth is that US is gradually becoming friends with its perceived Arab enemies through some Obama policies.

In my assessment, Putin knows that Turkey is a trap for them. He is too smart to know that if he lights common matches in Turkey let alone bomb, America will hide behind the UN and deal with him.

As at today, Russia can not and I repeat can not successfully ignite a world war and Putin knows that. Forget mouth, gun don't shoot itself, humans do.

ghostmist:
My deductions from comments made by Americans online:
1. Most Americans do not see any benefit accruing to the USA as a NATO member. Hence, would like her for her to pull out or if possible, disband the group. According to them, NATO is chiefly financed by the American taxpayer.
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Hopefully, this will be an invaluable factor in diffusing the war fever that is currently spreading among the world powers. Obama, naturally, is not expected to go into war without overwhelming endorsement of majority of Americans. But many factors may spur him on - if Russia replied Turkey "heavily" directly or indirectly; if Russia continued to dominate the routing of ISIS in Syria; and if the Republicans continued to tag him a 'tail" to "lion" Putin.

Not too long ago former PM Tony Blair apologized for following America into Iraq, even in America protests against the war has continued to date despite the fact that the war broke out about 12 years ago.

War experiences have taught people bitter lessons of concomitant carnage but leaders of world most-powerful nations appear to always see the need to dominate and control as many global space as possible.

Politicos:
I think the US will fight Russia via NATO alliance. What do you make of Turkey's downing of a Russian military plane? I learnt the two pilots aboard the plan exited with their parachutes but didn't survive.

Putin now has told Turkey that there would be strong consequences. He even said that it was a stab in the back from Turkey.

It seems the US has backed out and claimed it's something Turkey and Russia would have to resolve between themselves.

Some members of NATO are also saying Turkey should have escorted the Jet out of its airspace if was indeed in Turkey's airspace instead of shooting it down.

chiddye:
I don't think NATO would want to mess with Russia, Russia supplies over 60 percent of the gas used in Europe both parties would find away around this issue.

there as always been a cold war between Russia and the west we can't deny that fact an all out war for now is not possible......but I strongly feel this proxy war the united states and Russia is fighting in the middle east would strongly backfire on them, they both claim to share a common enemy ISIL once ISIL is handicapped in the middle east they would turn up the gear against themselves. there are so many interest groups, multinationals playing behind the scene not to get the middle east settled due to oil over there

this war in the middle east aside ISIL is simply about oil, who controls the oil, have you wondered whom ISIL has been selling the oil they extract in Syria and Iraq? many questions and the role of the Saudi Arabia and Iran

We all know the greatest beneficiary of the oil trade my ISIL is Turkey. Just like Putin said, it is a stab in the back from backers of terrorism. Turkey is just playing lip service in its fight against terror. Is ISIS that strong that it is taking on a coalition of western countries and Russia all at once? There's more to it that meets the eyes. Although you can't rule out diplomacy and none of the superpowers will be willing to go to war as it will have dire political and economic consequences not only on those countries but the war at large. World War 3 has started already but this time, it is a proxy war being fought not way outside the territories of the superpowers. They chose their battlefield away from their territories and the Arabs as usual provided it for them gullibly. It is a show of strength. Just take a look at those missiles from the Russian ships on the Caspian sea being fired inside Syria deep to inside ISIS territory. They are just sending a message. Syria is a test ground for newly acquired weapons.

baby124:
Russia has no clue the extent to US capability, neither does the US. The two countries have always been rivals at opposing ends. So we really can't say who is greater because we don't know. The thing is not knowing the extent of capability of either country checks and balances them for the rest of us in this world. They are both capable of fighting each other to the end. This is why they go to great lengths to spy on each other.

This is where the concept of balance of power comes in. One power serves as a counterfoil to the powers of the other. In the 1950s during the cold war era, a US-government commissioned researched on Russia submitted that in the case of a Russian nuclear attack on the US, one third of American territory will be badly affected. It was during the period that the US started building the first ICBMs and Patriot missiles. It was also during this time that the term collateral damage was coined. Although I detest the US but where I think they have the advantage over Russia is their financial muscle and economic strength. Also they spend 25% of the world's military budget, they invest a lot on intelligence gathering, they have better technology and Russia is too big to defend all its flanks because US have allies surrounding Russia from where Russia can be hit on multiple fronts. Add that to the naval capabilities of the UK (the best in the world) which is a US ally. Enough said for now.
PS: no one said as a matter of fact that war is coming. We are just saying in the possibility of the outbreak of war which cannot be ruled out.

ghostmist:
My deductions from comments made by Americans online:
1. Most Americans do not see any benefit accruing to the USA as a NATO member. Hence, would like her for her to pull out or if possible, disband the group. According to them, NATO is chiefly financed by the American taxpayer.
2. Most Americans would like for Turkey to be kicked out of NATO. According to them, Turkey brings nothing to the table;only plays along when it benefits them; denied the USA the use of their airspace cum territory in the Iraqi war.
3. Turkey (predominantly sunni) is not only sympathetic to the cause of ISIS (also sunni) but also its major trading partner.Turkey buys cheap crude from ISIS while helping ISIS procure high grade weapons by using her (Turkey) clout as a NATO member.
4. USA would not go to war with Russia because of Turkeys apparent stupidty; NATO or no NATO. this would not be the first time it would happen.Afterall the city state of ATHENS (world power of her time) broke a standing agreement/treaty with an ally (the city state of CORINTH) in favour of CORCYRA...the Athenians were practical in reaching their decision. Corcyras' navy was second only to that of ATHENS;as such, they had more to lose in siding with CORINTH than CORCYRA, treaty or no treaty.
5. Several centuries ago, the Arabians overran the christian empire of BYZANTIUM with its capital Constantinople in present day Turkey;swinging the tide (in the entire region) in favour of Islam. This invading army of islam, insatiable in their quest for global dominance, proceeded to invade Europe. A combination of brute force,tenacity of purpose and sheer luck enabled the Europeans to push them back. Turkey is doing the same thing again, in connivance with the islamic caliphate...only this time, they're doing it from the inside...assidiously working to islamize Europe.
6. over the last decade, Turkey has slowly drifted from being a moderate islamic country to becoming a major financier of terrorism.

I totally agree with your number 5 and 6. Turkey is a major backer of terrorism and Jihad. It wants to consolidate on its rising status as a major player in the muslim world. It has been in secret agreement with the USA to clip the wings of its major rivals Egypt (that's been successful through the destabilization made possible by the Arab spring) and Iran (this has been hard to accomplish). The Turks are also angry about Russia's apparent camaraderie with Iran. Turkey has also been the major transit point for jihadists leaving Europe to fight in Syria which they have been annoyingly "unable" to stem the tide.

Should Russia decide to strike Turkey i dont think NATO will involve itself with the war in this kind of global economic situation as Turkey contributes little or nothing to NATO. As it is even the Americans know that Russia is one step ahead of them in terms of weapon of mass destruction

saxywale:

It seems the US has backed out and claimed it's something Turkey and Russia would have to resolve between themselves.

Some members of NATO are also saying Turkey should have escorted the Jet out of its airspace if was indeed in Turkey's airspace instead of shooting it down.

Obama said Turkey has the right to defend its airspace while the Russians and Turks need to talk to each other.

Cc Ichidodo revdesmondjuju

Turkey would pay for damages but covertly, if they don't expect some covert warfare from Russia ... Russia has already said it has proof that the jet was not inside Syrian airspace. the Turks could have easily escorted the jet out, but they wanted to show power and shut it down when they are not in a war situation.

any battle between the u.s and Russia would end with no winner, the u.s is jumping all over Europe looking for allies to fight Russia, yet it says they are powerful, why don't they fight their wars themselves, instead of decieving and coercing smaller countries to fight their wars

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