vedaxcool:
I am a muslim, inventing code names because you follow a certain line reasoning is not healthy for Islam, rather it creates sectarianism. The Qurán warned Muslims to avoid breaking into sects with every sect happy with what they have. That you accept following the way of the Salafs shouldn't make you a salafi, rather it should simply make you a better Muslim.

kennyosein:
The criteria of knowing a scholar these days is eloquence and story telling. Menk is no scholar or mufti, a person who call himself a mufti or an alim s a jahil.

kennyosein:
Why call yourself “Salafi”? By Ibn
Taymiyyah, Ibn Abdul-Wahhaab, Ibn Baaz,
Al-Albaanee and Ibn ‘Uthaimeen


Ibn Taymiyyah said (d.728): “There is no
criticism upon the one who makes manifest the
Madh-hab of the Salaf, and ascribes himself to
it, and affiliates himself to it [by saying: I am
Salafi], rather that ascription is accepted from
him by consensus for indeed the madh-hab of
the Salaf is nothing other than the
truth.” (Majmoo’ al-Fataawa , 4/149)


Muhammad Ibn ‘Abdul-Wahhaab (d.1206) said:
“We are, and praise be to Allaah, followers and
not innovators. We are followers of the Book
and Sunnah and of the Righteous Salaf of this
Ummah, upon the Madh-hab of Ahlus-Sunnah
wal-Jama’ah, the Madh-hab that Allaah’s
Messenger (ﷺ ) commanded
with.”


‘Abdul-’Azeez Ibn Baaz (d.1420) was asked
concerning the Saved Sect, so he responded:
“They are the Salafis and all those who proceed
upon the path of the Righteous Salaf.”


Muhammad Naasirud-Deen Al-Albaanee (d.1420)
said: “There is no doubt that the apparent, clear
and distinguishing title is that [when] we say: “I
am a Muslim upon the Book and Sunnah and
upon the manhaj of our Righteous Salaf,” is that
you saying in shortened terms: “I am a Salafi”.”



Muhammad Ibn Saalih Al-’Uthaimeen (d.1421)
said: “Ahlus-Sunnah wal-Jamaa’ah, in belief,
they are the Salaf – and even a person of later
times until the Day of Resurrection. So long as
he is upon the path of the Prophet
( ﷺ ) and his Companions, then
he is a Salafi.” ( Sharh al-’Aqeedatil-Waasitiyyah ,
8/40 part of his Majmoo’ al-Fataawa )


www.abukhadeejah.com/the-label-salafi-and-who-they-are-by-ibn-taymiyyah-ibn-abdul-wahhaab-ibn-baaz-al-albaanee-and-ibn-uthaimeen/

Sadiq3051:




you have said it all brooo I belonged to no sect ...say no to sect

enieme:

How about ahlu sunnah wal jamaah?

Sadiq3051:


I said non ....no name like DAT during the prophet time, this are innovation... is better to practice sunnah in your mind instead of attaching a sect name to it ,dos names make Muslims to feel divided .... bi sallam .... #unitedmuslim

enieme:

Yeah i get it point. But how about the hadith that says Muslims will be divided in to 73 sects or so and only one sect will be d rightly guided. U know in some countries like Iran and Iraq whrWhere clear diff has to be made, use of tags like Shia Sunni and stuff is necessary

Empiree:
I think many muslims misunderstood the hadith on sect. The hadith never advocates sectarianism at all. Whoever interprets like that is just being literal.

The hadith is a mere prophecy. As a matter of fact, a warning to caution ourselves from slipping into sectarianism. But if anyone interprets the hadith literally to mean an order for sectarianism, that would be in conflict with sura imran ayah 103.

Yes, the prophesy is evidently manifested today but it should never be promoted.

BETATRON:
na'am
The problem is can you avoid being drawn towards particular "sect" I.e having more affinity for it practices
My eldest brother saw me reading a shi'I book and became furious asking me not to believe whatever they say,,THaT I SHOULD JUST BE A MUSLIM

The next day he bought me a book which speaks against the shias and advices us to be MUSLIMS..suprising enough it is clearly written on the book "BASED ON ThE ALQEDA OF THE SALAFS"

Salaam

Sadiq3051:




you have said it all brooo I belonged to no sect ...say no to sect

ayinba1:
@ AlBaqir
In essence, should we continue with choosing a sect to belong to?? I.e creating divisions amongst ourselves?? just like the people before us?? In direct contrast to AlQuran??

Just trying to understand as I do not know book o.

Have we become wiser than the Most High and His Prophet (pbuh) who enjoined us to be steadfast with adherence to Allah's words over anything else? For I feel that no matter the differences in interpretation of the ayah, the main message is usually unanimous.

Differences are arising from things that Allah out of His mercy has not spoken about. Per chance, the ummah may achieve more if our focus is on what we agree on and less on our differences.
And does Imam translate to leader?

vedaxcool:


Shiasim has nothing to offer except promote sectarianism that is only when it makes sense, the Qurán verse warned

“As for those who divide their religion and break up into shias (sects), you have no part in them in the least: their affair is with Allah: He will in the end tell them the truth of all that they did.” (Quran, 6:159)


Tomorrow the same individual will quote a hadith to overide the Qurán and when it suits him he will say the Quran is final above all

BETATRON:
[s]shiism isn't just all about "sects" and that's not just what makes SENSE,,to be sincere every other thing does

Shiism has a lot to offer,,putting sentiments and emotions apart shiism is an "ocean of knowledge or a beacon of flower

Maybe you've made due research on shi'ism,,please do[/s]

vedaxcool:


Ocean of division!

BETATRON:
lol..don't take it personal naw. Just stating my view and experience "the result of my research in shi'ism" not trying to argue or quarrel with you

vedaxcool:

likewise

ayinba1:
@ AlBaqir
In essence, should we continue with choosing a sect to belong to?? I.e creating divisions amongst ourselves?? just like the people before us?? In direct contrast to AlQuran??

Just trying to understand as I do not know book o.

Have we become wiser than the Most High and His Prophet (pbuh) who enjoined us to be steadfast with adherence to Allah's words over anything else? For I feel that no matter the differences in interpretation of the ayah, the main message is usually unanimous.

Differences are arising from things that Allah out of His mercy has not spoken about. Per chance, the ummah may achieve more if our focus is on what we agree on and less on our differences.
And does Imam translate to leader?

ayinba1:
You still live in Detroit?

Empiree:
have you seen any muslim sect (s) that have denied 5 pillars?

lexiconkabir:
[size=2pt]Salam! On this note, The Quranist however follows the 5 pillars of Islam but they pray 3 times a day, reason being that only 3 salawat was mentioned by name in the glorious Quran, what happened to "obey Allah and HIS Messenger"? And also they are verses that says the Quran was revealed and explained to Muhammad, i ask again, how are we going to know these explanations if not by following his traditions? if explanation was given to Muhammad(s.a.w) then who are the Quranists that believe they can understand the Quran all by themselves, they are many orders given to muslims by Allah through Muhammad(s.a.w) which was not included in the Quran just to test the true followers of Muhammad(s.a.w), a perfect example is the issue of kibla facing Al-Aqsa that later turned to Al-Haram, that of Al-Haram is in the Quran, but Al-Aqsa isnt, which both was attributed to Allah in the Quran. #say_no_to_secteranism[/size]

enieme:

How about ahlu sunnah wal jamaah?

Sadiq3051:




yea that's true about the above,what am trying to say is just for peace to b among all Muslim ummah , am not disputing the hadith o....and for this to b a success ! we need to stop seeing differences in our self..by simply removing the sect "name" precisely...ma sallam

Empiree:
This concept of "ahlu sunnah wal jamaah" is just to purify certain mindset/group. The term simply implies that those who follow Quran and Sunna. If you look at it from another perceptive, all Muslims, regardless of sects are actually "ahlu sunnah wal jamaah".

For instance, let's start from wudu:


5:6 O you who believe! When you intend to offer As-Salat (the prayer), wash your faces and your hands (forearms) up to the elbows, rub (by passing wet hands over) your heads, and (wash) your feet up to ankles. If you are in a state of Janaba (i.e. had a sexual discharge), purify yourself (bathe your whole body). But if you are ill or on a journey or any of you comes from answering the call of nature, or you have been in contact with women (i.e. sexual intercourse) and you find no water, then perform Tayammum with clean earth and rub therewith your faces and hands. Allah does not want to place you in difficulty, but He wants to purify you, and to complete His Favour on you that you may be thankful.

Quran only mentions 4 body parts in wudu. But how about mouth, nose, ear?. These are in the Sunna. All muslims do these as well which makes them followers of sunnah. Except, perhaps, "the Quraniyun". There are other religious practices that are sunnatic practiced by all sects. I do not believe in the idea of "saved sect". Only Allah knows that.

Ahlu sunnah wal jamaah is a giant body of the muslim ummah comprised all four madhhab that i dont even consider it a sect because all muslims practice basic religious rituals from wudu to salat to nafilat. Part of being "ahlu sunnah wal jamaah" is to observe 2 rakat before Fajr, 2 rakat before and after zuhr, 2 rakat before asr, 2 rakat before and after maghreb, 2 rakat before isha and witr after. To ignore or seldom igore those nafilat does not make one any less Ahlu sunnah wal jamaah. But to cancel out those nafilat may constitute bid'ah.

enieme:

okay.
But about cancelling out nafilat being bidah? what if one decides to not offer any naflah but be consisitent with d Fardh salah? Nafilahs aren't compulsory right?

Empiree:
Good question. By cancelling out nafilat, I mean to give it up completely even though its supererogatory. It's part of Islam but to give it up completely is the opposite. This i heard from a Sheikh a while back. But missing in once in a while is not sinful not does it constitutes innovation.

enieme:

u know there's a difference between disbelieving in nafilat and deciding to never offer them.

How about this hadith:

The scholars have been also enlightened by the hadith that is reported by Imam Bukhari and Muslim that a man from the Najd region came and questioned the prophet (S.A.W.) about Islam. The prophet responded: "five prayers every day and night." The Bedouin asked, "Am I obliged to perform any other prayer?" The prophet (S.A.W.) replied, "No, except if you want to volunteer." Then, the prophet (S.A.W.) continued, "and fasting the month of Ramadan" The Bedouin asked, "am I obliged to fast any more?" The prophet (S.A.W.) replied: "No, except if you want to volunteer", the prophet (S.A.W.) continued: "and paying zakah" The Bedouin then questioned, "Am I obliged to pay any other zakah?", the prophet (S.A.W.) replied: "No, except if you want to volunteer" The man walked away and said, "By Allah, I will do no more nor less." The prophet (S.A.W.) said: "The Bedouin has succeeded if he is truthful."