KingEbukasBlog:


True . That's why they now insist the universe has always existed - its a new model they are working on though .

Please you and vooks should tell me which god created the universe.
Because even if we agree that the universe was created, it could have been done by the FSM for all we know.

AlfaSeltzer:


Please you and vooks should tell me which god created the universe.
Because even if we agree that the universe was created, it could have been done by the FSM for all we know.

For now am content in destroying naturalism. Am glad you are seeing light

AlfaSeltzer:


They do that.

Where and when did they ever do that?

vooks:


For now am content in destroying naturalism. Am glad you are seeing light

I don't need to see no light because only fools believe that things happen by chance alone. I believe that The Flying Spaghetti Monster has pre-ordained everything. I just wanted to know if we believe in the same thing?

You sound like you believe a dead jew did all these before he was born.

AlfaSeltzer:


I don't need to see no light because only fools believe that things happen by chance alone. I believe that The Flying Spaghetti Monster has pre-ordained everything. I just wanted to know if we believe in the same thing?

You sound like you believe a dead jew did all these before he was born.

Why are you pained by Jesus Christ the Son of the Living God?

vooks:

Why are you pained by Jesus Christ the Son of the Living God?

Not pained. Just wanted to know whom you believed created your worms.

AlfaSeltzer:


Not pained. Just wanted to know whom you believed created your worms.

Now you know, stick around and learn

vooks:
I want to talk about ABIOGENESIS or chemical evolution.
This is the belief that elements formed compounds which formed life all by themselves.
I wish to touch on the probability of this happening naturally

As all may have noticed, whenever the probability of natural origins are pointed out, the antitheists deflect because the facts are embarrassingly against them.

Some simple maths
The probability of a tossed coin landing on tails is 1/2 or 0.5
The probability of two tossed coins landing on tails is (1/2)*2 or (0.5)^2
The probability of three tossed coins landing on tails simultaneously is (1/2)*3 or (0.5)^3
The probability of one hundred tossed coins landing on tails simultaneously is (1/2)^100 or (0.5)^100 or roughly 10^-30

Nothing like basic math in the morning to work up the old brain...

Sadly only the above math and postulates are sound,below is nothing more than a childish misapplication of mathematics..and this is why

The impossibility of ABIOGENESIS
The building blocks of life is amino acids. Amino acids combine to form proteins
There is something called chirality which is all about symmetry. Amino acids only combine if they are homochiral or like-handed, either right or left handed.
In fact, all proteins found in living things are made up of left-handed amino acids!
Let's take a simple protein made up of one hundred amino acids. What is the probability of these acids being left handed? Exactly 10^-30

Note, the smallest/shortest known protein has 20 amino acids whereas the smallest/shortest in humans has 234 amino acids

Remember forming the 100 amino acids would not form life, they'd still need to form RNA and DNA. These are more complex and homochirality equally applies to them.

Further, the 'simplest' known self-replicating organism requires at least 370 proteins!

Assuming the 'simplest' known self-replicating organism requires just 100 amino acid chains. What is the probability of these forming assuming each need 100 amino acids? 10^-(100*30) or 10^-3000 or 0.5^9966 or probability of 9,966 coins flipped landing tails!

To put this into context, recall it is estimated there are 10^80 atoms in the ENTIRE universe

I need a mathematician to correct me if I stray
We are told the universe is 15 billion years young and it has 10^80 atoms.
Supposing every atom in the universe flips a set of 9,966 coins a billion times per second for 15 billion years. How many sets of 9,966 coins would have been flipped by now?

10^80 * 15 * 10^9 * 365 * 24 * 60 * 60 * 10^9 =10^107

Now mr davien and plaetton, what is the probability of forming our 100 amino acids above given 10^107 attempts?
It is 10^-3000 * 10^107 or 10^ 3,893

This means even if ALL the 100 billion galaxies in the universe 'attempted' to make the simplest organism naturally, there is no chance in hell of them getting nowhere in 15 billion years!

Once again, mathematics knocks down naturalism, EVILution and panspermia.

For this, Prometheus is as believable as Ice Age my all time favorite animation

I'll summarize your shortcomings with these two points so that you can understand this again...

#1 You as usual ignored the fact that probabilities don't have a say on events that have already occurred no matter the figures arrived at,an example would be for you to calculate the odds of being born at the exact instant that you were to be 10^2000,now would that disprove your birth?....

#2 Garbage in-garbage out,plotting values and trying to select for an extremely specific instance would always yield astronomical results(especially when you don't know what you're doing).
Lets say a boy flips a coin 10 times and gets 10 heads,1/2 * 10 and repeats this every 6 hours ( 6 * 3600 = 21600 sec ) ,now what would we get once we threw in specific unnecessary or unwarranted figures like the probability of each individual atom in the thumb partaking in the coin toss and other things like what hand he used and how many fingers he had and the length of each one? Wouldn't we arrive at a finger so improbable that to a layman it would seem as though hands shouldn't exist atall?(lol)

davien:
Nothing like basic math in the morning to work up the old brain...

Sadly only the above math and postulates are sound,below is nothing more than a childish misapplication of mathematics..and this is why




I'll summarize your shortcomings with these two points so that you can understand this again...

#1 You as usual ignored the fact that probabilities don't have a say on events that have already occurred no matter the figures arrived at,an example would be for you to calculate the odds of being born at the exact instant that you were to be 10^2000,now would that disprove your birth?....

#2 Garbage in-garbage out,plotting values and trying to select for an extremely specific instance would always yield astronomical results(especially when you don't know what you're doing).
Lets say a boy flips a coin 10 times and gets 10 heads,1/2 * 10 and repeats this every 6 hours ( 6 * 3600 = 21600 sec ) ,now what would we get once we threw in specific unnecessary or unwarranted figures like the probability of each individual atom in the thumb partaking in the coin toss and other things like what hand he used and how many fingers he had and the length of each one? Wouldn't we arrive at a finger so improbable that to a layman it would seem as though hands shouldn't exist atall?(lol)

Wassup kid,
I think if there is evilution, you have regressed by a few thousand years since you attempted to take me on.

Let's look at how m0rons think.

1. It is true probability can't determine past events. But I really wish Abiogenesis had just probability to surmount. It is more than this, you need right radiation, reducing atmosphere, you need zero or minimal UV, and so forth. I will not overheat your puny brains with details

2. When I gave the analogy of atoms flipping, the point was to highlight how TIME and FREQUENCY would not significantly lower the odds. Atoms are never going to flip coins for sure. You clearly are a m0ron for missing this. TIME is often thrown around by naturalism as a panacea of all its shortcoming; you sure as hell know you can't turn from a virus to a virologist overnight, but when I throw in the magical 5 billion years, the idea suddenly appears plausible.

Now kid, do you know nothing about Multiverse and why it was concocted? It was to explain away fine tuning. If there are INFINITE number of universes each with slightly different laws and conditions, chances of at least one getting it 'right' for life are much higher.

The problem is even in this one of ours, abiogenesis is IMPOSSIBLE. In short, multiverse does not explain away the achille's heel of naturalism; ORIGINS

KingEbukasBlog:


Even in the video , there are unsure of some occurrences .

"We dont know an awful lot about the universe "

"We need people to answer these questions "

"We dont know what it is but we are sure its there "

Why should I educate myself with uncertainties and assumptions ?

Are you now ready to join the bandwagon of the "We dont know , but we are sure its not God " crew ?

THAT IS HOW SCIENCE WORKS YOU DUMMY. scientists don't claim to know anything until they have proof for it - until then, "we don't know" is a perfectly acceptable answer. you are the ones who are ignorant because you jump to the claim of god before you actually know anything.

Up until just 300 or so years ago, no one knew that diseases were caused by microscopic organisms -- the bubonic plague for example was thought to be a CURSE and people tried to fight it off by wearing ridiculous beaked costumes. the people claiming that the plague was some heavenly sign from god or a curse from the devil or whatever, were WRONG. the correct scientific knowledge and antibiotics would have stopped the plague - not superstition.

if a person back then would have said, "i don't know what is causing the plague, but i know it isn't god", they would have been MORE CORRECT than the people claiming they knew that it was god/the devil/whatever supernatural force. "i don't know" is an acceptable answer in science because jumping to conclusions before you have any proof is an act of willful ignorance and only causes confusion. what's the difference between you claiming that a yet unknown phenomenon "must be god", and me claiming that it must be "a magical unicorn"? neither of us have proof, how would you know which is right? Heck, how do you know which is right between your god and the thousands (literally, over 4,000) creator gods that have existed throughout history, many of them polytheistic?

cloudgoddess:

THAT IS HOW SCIENCE WORKS YOU DUMMY. scientists don't claim to know anything until they have proof for it - until then, "we don't know" is a perfectly acceptable answer. you are the ones who are ignorant because you jump to the claim of god before you actually know anything.

Up until just 300 or so years ago, no one knew that diseases were caused by microscopic organisms -- the bubonic plague for example was thought to be a CURSE and people tried to fight it off by wearing ridiculous beaked costumes. the people claiming that the plague was some heavenly sign from god or a curse from the devil or whatever, were WRONG. the correct scientific knowledge and antibiotics would have stopped the plague - not superstition.

if a person back then would have said, "i don't know what is causing the plague, but i know it isn't god", they would have been MORE CORRECT than the people claiming they knew that it was god/the devil/whatever supernatural force. "i don't know" is an acceptable answer in science because jumping to conclusions before you have any proof is an act of willful ignorance and only causes confusion. what's the difference between you claiming that a yet unknown phenomenon "must be god", and me claiming that it must be "a magical unicorn"? neither of us have proof, how would you know which is right? Heck, how do you know which is right between your god and the thousands (literally, over 4,000) creator gods that have existed throughout history, many of them polytheistic?

'Scientists' have ALREADY ruled out Intelligent Design without proof for or against. They have therefore settled on CHANCE and are hell bent on pursuing it regardless of how improbable and impossible it is to generate life by chance

davien:
Nothing like basic math in the morning to work up the old brain...

Sadly only the above math and postulates are sound,below is nothing more than a childish misapplication of mathematics..and this is why


I'll summarize your shortcomings with these two points so that you can understand this again...

#1 You as usual ignored the fact that probabilities don't have a say on events that have already occurred no matter the figures arrived at,an example would be for you to calculate the odds of being born at the exact instant that you were to be 10^2000,now would that disprove your birth?....

#2 Garbage in-garbage out,plotting values and trying to select for an extremely specific instance would always yield astronomical results(especially when you don't know what you're doing).
Lets say a boy flips a coin 10 times and gets 10 heads,1/2 * 10 and repeats this every 6 hours ( 6 * 3600 = 21600 sec ) ,now what would we get once we threw in specific unnecessary or unwarranted figures like the probability of each individual atom in the thumb partaking in the coin toss and other things like what hand he used and how many fingers he had and the length of each one? Wouldn't we arrive at a finger so improbable that to a layman it would seem as though hands shouldn't exist atall?(lol)

Thank you sir.
May the Toothfairy grant you $4.

People who failed math in school coming here to wax ignorantly about the probability of this , the probability of that .

BTW, I wonder what is the probability of Nothing turning itself into an all-knowing immortal , self-existent god, and then creating the universe from the same Nothingness.

The odds should be 1 in 10 to the power of 1 billion.

plaetton:


Thank you sir.
May the Toothfairy grant you $4.

People who failed math in school coming here to wax ignorantly about the probability of this , the probability of that .

BTW, I wonder what is the probability of Nothing turning itself into an all-knowing immortal , self-existent god, and then creating the universe from the same Nothingness.

The odds should be 1 in 10 to the power of 1 billion.

Amateur Septic(sic)
What makes you think God had to turn himself into anything?
Clearly this is way out of your depth and I apologize for overworking your sole neuron. See if you can unfollow the thread

vooks:

Amateur Septic(sic)
What makes you think God had to turn himself into anything?
Clearly this is way out of your depth and I apologize for overworking your sole neuron. See if you can unfollow the thread

The point remains that you are just regurgitating things that you barely understand.

It is obvious that you don't know maths, and are clueless about statistics.

Your half-thinking brain is unable to grasp the fact that the odds of sequential events are exponentially quite different for simultaneous events.

cloudgoddess:

THAT IS HOW SCIENCE WORKS YOU DUMMY. scientists don't claim to know anything until they have proof for it - until then, "we don't know" is a perfectly acceptable answer. you are the ones who are ignorant because you jump to the claim of god before you actually know anything.

Up until just 300 or so years ago, no one knew that diseases were caused by microscopic organisms -- the bubonic plague for example was thought to be a CURSE and people tried to fight it off by wearing ridiculous beaked costumes. the people claiming that the plague was some heavenly sign from god or a curse from the devil or whatever, were WRONG. the correct scientific knowledge and antibiotics would have stopped the plague - not superstition.

if a person back then would have said, "i don't know what is causing the plague, but i know it isn't god", they would have been MORE CORRECT than the people claiming they knew that it was god/the devil/whatever supernatural force. "i don't know" is an acceptable answer in science because jumping to conclusions before you have any proof is an act of willful ignorance and only causes confusion. what's the difference between you claiming that a yet unknown phenomenon "must be god", and me claiming that it must be "a magical unicorn"? neither of us have proof, how would you know which is right? Heck, how do you know which is right between your god and the thousands (literally, over 4,000) creator gods that have existed throughout history, many of them polytheistic?

More gibberish from a dumb atheist

plaetton:


BTW, I wonder what is the probability of Nothing turning itself into an [size=16pt]all-knowing[/size] immortal , self-existent god, and then creating the universe from the same Nothingness.

The odds should be 1 in 10 to the power of 1 billion.

Not that smart as I thought . What is the probability of an ALL KNOWING PROGRAMMER designing a software that could ANYTHING , ONE !!!
Because since he is all knowing there is a TOTAL CERTAINTY he can design a software in ANY programming language that could do anything practicable .

By the way God is not self-existent , He is eternal - no beginning , no end . Self existence suggests anything has a beginning.

plaetton:


The point remains that you are just regurgitating things that you barely understand.

It is obvious that you don't know maths, and are clueless about statistics.

Your half-thinking brain is unable to grasp the fact that the odds of sequential events are exponentially quite different for simultaneous events.

M0ron,
Who told you nothing about sequence?
Go back and read what i wrote

ALL the amino acids need to be there SIMULTANEOUSLY as a minimal

Dp

vooks:

M0ron,
Who told you nothing about sequence?
Go back and read what i wrote

ALL the amino acids need to be there SIMULTANEOUSLY as a minimal

Lol.

Still doesn't get it.

Unfortunately for you, google doesn't teach math.
You need an education for that.

plaetton:


Lol.

Still doesn't get it.

Unfortunately for you, google doesn't teach math.
You need an education for that.

The Bible says a fool is deemed wise when he holds his peace(piss for you)

plaetton:


BTW, I wonder [size=20pt]what is the probability of Nothing turning itself into an all-knowing immortal , self-existent god[/size], and then creating the universe from the same Nothingness.

The odds should be 1 in 10 to the power of 1 billion.

1.

1 Timothy 1:17

Now to the King [size=16pt]eternal[/size], immortal, invisible, the only God, be honor and glory forever and ever. Amen

2.
Romans 1:20

20 For the invisible things of him from the creation of the world are clearly seen, being understood by the things that are made, even his [size=16pt]eternal power and Godhead[/size]; [size=16pt]so that they are without excuse[/size]:

3. Deuteronomy 33:27

The [size=16pt]eternal[/size] God is your refuge

Vooks , uncle plaetton has problems comprehending what being eternal means ... in order to wallow in his delusions , he claims God came from nothing and is self - existent . Then he tries to ridicule his own misconceptions on the bases of probability . He really wishes God came from Nothing

The absurdity of Chemical Evolution is so embarrassing that they changed its name to abiogenesis. Evilutionists want to discuss life ASSUMING there was life in the first place.

It is important to understand that even as Darwin developed his theory, he understood this problem. He suggested that life originated form a sole organism which he couldn't explain where it came from. Hundreds of years later, we are no closer to unraveling this self imposed idiocy.

Now I know why the FOOL has said in his heart, 'there is no God'

sonofLucifer aka muskeeto
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Bought it yesterday and I only stopped playing when my iPad battery went flat. Buy it and thank me later Negro, aight?

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KingEbukasBlog:


Even in the video , there are unsure of some occurrences .

"We dont know an awful lot about the universe "

"We need people to answer these questions "

"We dont know what it is but we are sure its there "

Why should I educate myself with uncertainties and assumptions ?

Are you now ready to join the bandwagon of the "We dont know , but we are sure its not God " crew ?

Mr man these are facts, in other words youd rather hear a lie and believe it a undeniable truth than accept you don't know and find ways to discover the truth which would go a long way in helping humanity.

this is the typical Christian (there are some religion that are open minded and actually care about the progress of their kind).
they are insecure about a lack of knowledge and that they can't comprehend a thing so they come up with a fall back plan.

why is the universe this complex = god

the funny thing is that god was their answer to some questions ago.

why does rain fall = god
what causes earth quakes = god
why did he fall sick = god
how did she get healed and he did not = god
etc

to me god in religion is just a personification of nature literally it was, wen we investigate older religions diffrent aspects of nature were personified with gods, the one god sympatizer are no diffrent, they just bundled all aspects of nature's and called it god. which is not bad,but however is a way of saying "I don't know" but not having to say it. the word god basically means "I don't know ,that's how it is, its just nature"

well thanks to those who were able to admit a lack of knowledge and move beyond that we now know that water from tje sea is heated up and evaporated by the sun forming a type of cloud, which when dense enough and under the right conditions condenses into rain. we know the surface of the earth is not entirely joined with its core and can move or slide over the core due to gravity, earth rotation etc. which causes earth quakes, we know about viruses,bacteria vectors sickle cell and other phenomenon which are responsible for illness, cures and preventive measures have been and are being synthensised. we know about the immune systen and how it varies from one person to d other due to genetics, heredity,environment etc.

nothing good comes out of saying you dont know stylishly.real good comes from admiting oblivion and taking steps in the right direction or any direction at all. christian like religions are a front for lazyness, acute perfectionism,cowardice, and weakness. until the many of my brethren who feebly hide behind the wall of 'god' from responsibility of themselves and the entire human race decide to come out and further our advancement am afraid the works of our courageous few(although outstanding) would not cut it.

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lodscott:


Mr man these are facts, in other words youd rather hear a lie and believe it a undeniable truth than accept you don't know and find ways to discover the truth which would go a long way in helping humanity.

this is the typical Christian (there are some religion that are open minded and actually care about the progress of their kind).
they are insecure about a lack of knowledge and that they can't comprehend a thing so they come up with a fall back plan.

why is the universe this complex = god

the funny thing is that god was their answer to some questions ago.

why does rain fall = god
what causes earth quakes = god
why did he fall sick = god
how did she get healed and he did not = god
etc

to me god in religion is just a personification of nature literally it was, wen we investigate older religions diffrent aspects of nature were personified with gods, the one god sympatizer are no diffrent, they just bundled all aspects of nature's and called it god. which is not bad,but however is a way of saying "I don't know" but not having to say it. the word god basically means "I don't know ,that's how it is, its just nature"

well thanks to those who were able to admit a lack of knowledge and move beyond that we now know that water from tje sea is heated up and evaporated by the sun forming a type of cloud, which when dense enough and under the right conditions condenses into rain. we know the surface of the earth is not entirely joined with its core and can move or slide over the core due to gravity, earth rotation etc. which causes earth quakes, we know about viruses,bacteria vectors sickle cell and other phenomenon which are responsible for illness, cures and preventive measures have been and are being synthensised. we know about the immune systen and how it varies from one person to d other due to genetics, heredity,environment etc.

nothing good comes out of saying you dont know stylishly.real good comes from admiting oblivion and taking steps in the right direction or any direction at all. christian like religions are a front for lazyness, acute perfectionism,cowardice, and weakness. until the many of my brethren who feebly hide behind the wall of 'god' from responsibility of themselves and the entire human race decide to come out and further our advancement am afraid the works of our courageous few(although outstanding) would not cut it.

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You are dithering
You'd have to be braindead to miss DESIGN and twice as dead to blame randomness for it

What are your thoughts on this asinine fad called multiverse theory?

vooks:
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You are dithering
You'd have to be braindead to miss DESIGN and twice as dead to blame randomness for it

What are your thoughts on this asinine fad called multiverse theory?

my thoughts on the multiverse theory? it is what it is, a theory. I wouldn't call it asinine though neither would I assert it true.although honestly I would like the idea of stuff being just like the movies I wouldn't go about proposing it true on no factual basis.
the day it is proved 100 percent that there is god, the one who actually created the whole universe I would be in the front rows to welcome it. but till then your Christianity is even more asinine than the multiverse theory.

unless u have actual facts to prove the creators existence, please drop them here

lodscott:


my thoughts on the multiverse theory? it is what it is, a theory. I wouldn't call it asinine though neither would I assert it true.although honestly I would like the idea of stuff being just like the movies I wouldn't go about proposing it true on no factual basis.
the day it is proved 100 percent that there is god, the one who actually created the whole universe I would be in the front rows to welcome it. but till then your Christianity is even more asinine than the multiverse theory.

unless u have actual facts to prove the creators existence, please drop them here

Can you in your own words summarize your (mis)understanding of multiverse theory

vooks:


Can you in your own words summarize your (mis)understanding of multiverse theory

still waiting for the facts you base your creator god believe system on since its not a theory.

fmy understanding of the multiverse theory, I know there are a number of models but wats usually common is the existence of alternate realities which encompass a universe of their own all representing a possible outcome. in other words everything possible exists

lodscott:


still waiting for the facts you base your creator god believe system on since its not a theory.

fmy understanding of the multiverse theory, I know there are a number of models but wats usually common is the existence of alternate realities which encompass a universe of their own all representing a possible outcome. in other words everything possible exists

WHY did they come up with alternate realities representing everything possible?

sounds like a question you want to answer yourself

lodscott:


Mr man these are facts, in other words youd rather hear a lie and believe it a undeniable truth than accept you don't know and find ways to discover the truth which would go a long way in helping humanity.

this is the typical Christian (there are some religion that are open minded and actually care about the progress of their kind).
they are insecure about a lack of knowledge and that they can't comprehend a thing so they come up with a fall back plan.

why is the universe this complex = god

the funny thing is that god was their answer to some questions ago.

why does rain fall = god
what causes earth quakes = god
why did he fall sick = god
how did she get healed and he did not = god
etc

to me god in religion is just a personification of nature literally it was, wen we investigate older religions diffrent aspects of nature were personified with gods, the one god sympatizer are no diffrent, they just bundled all aspects of nature's and called it god. which is not bad,but however is a way of saying "I don't know" but not having to say it. the word god basically means "I don't know ,that's how it is, its just nature"

well thanks to those who were able to admit a lack of knowledge and move beyond that we now know that water from tje sea is heated up and evaporated by the sun forming a type of cloud, which when dense enough and under the right conditions condenses into rain. we know the surface of the earth is not entirely joined with its core and can move or slide over the core due to gravity, earth rotation etc. which causes earth quakes, we know about viruses,bacteria vectors sickle cell and other phenomenon which are responsible for illness, cures and preventive measures have been and are being synthensised. we know about the immune systen and how it varies from one person to d other due to genetics, heredity,environment etc.

nothing good comes out of saying you dont know stylishly.real good comes from admiting oblivion and taking steps in the right direction or any direction at all. christian like religions are a front for lazyness, acute perfectionism,cowardice, and weakness. until the many of my brethren who feebly hide behind the wall of 'god' from responsibility of themselves and the entire human race decide to come out and further our advancement am afraid the works of our courageous few(although outstanding) would not cut it.

ok then ... lets agree on one thing ... something can come from nothing and life can come from the non living ... right ?