You don't pray to God through angels or saint. It can not be proven in the Bible that saints and angels before God's throne pray for us. Apostle Paul, being saint wrote in Romans 8:26-27 that God's Holy Spirit makes intercession for us. It is heresy to say that angels pray for us. Angels only hold the incense according to revelations 8:1-4( which is the prayer of the saints "on earth". While the triumphant saints "before the throne of God" sing Holy Holy Holy to God day and night.
CATHOLICS don't waste your time. The saints in heaven are worshiping God day and night and they don't have your time.
The Queen of heaven has your time because she is an asigned demon to deceive you. (She is in Jeremiah 7:17-20 and Chapter 44:15-23. Read to see how God describe this demonic god)
Flee Idolatory. Flee the wrath of God to come.
I love you all Catholics. I was a Roman Catholic until I heard and saw the truth in the Bible. Read your Bibles in the Holy Spirit and be saved. Ask God for understanding and He will give you lest you will die in your sins a s blind and go to hell!

God said that some of you will read and not understand because the prince of the world as blinded your eyes. If you have understanding after knowing the truth. RUN TO JESUS FOR FORGIVENESS FAST before the word is stolen from you by Satan and you remain in your sin.

Yes sir very correct!!!

What they will say is, the event at the wedding of Cannan, that is what they based their belief on. which was an old way of worship and "prayers" (where by the high priest serves as intercession between God and his people) one of the practise Jesus came to change, and gave us free and direct access to stand before the throne of grace.

tonie123:
Yes sir very correct!!!

What they will say is, the event at the wedding of Cannan, that is what they based their belief on. which was an old way of worship and "prayers" (where by the high priest serves as intercession between God and his people) one of the practise Jesus came to change, and gave us free and direct access to stand before the throne of grace.

I was a Catholic. Catholics believe in both the intercession of the saints in heaven(triumphant church) and the intercession of the saints on earth(suffering church). The Bible only agrees with the latter and not the former. The intercession by a saint who is still alive on earth is approved in the Bible(ephesians 6:18) "Praying at all times in the (Holy) Spirit... For all the saints."
But the intercession by the saints before God's throne can not be proven directly from the Bible so the Roman Catholics governing body brought theirs by assuming some verses in the Bible. This costly assumptions wipes out possibility of eternity with God because it encourages absolute idolatory.

Are not all angels ministering spirits sent to serve those who will inherit salvation?(Hebrew 1:14)
We can send them on errand
However, there is only one God and one Mediator who can reconcile God and humanity--the man Christ Jesus. (I Timothy 2:5)

daviddext:
You don't pray to God through angels or saint. It can not be proven in the Bible that saints and angels before God's throne pray for us. Apostle Paul, being saint wrote in Romans 8:26-27 that God's Holy Spirit makes intercession for us. It is heresy to say that angels pray for us. Angels only hold the incense according to revelations 8:1-4( which is the prayer of the saints "on earth". While the triumphant saints "before the throne of God" sing Holy Holy Holy to God day and night.

Under the old covenant, angels did interceed for man.

Matthew 18v10 -Take heed that ye despise not one of these little ones; for I say unto you, That in heaven their angels do always behold the face of my Father which is in heaven.

But that was because under the law, angels were the primary mediators of the old covenant. They were the disposers and ordainers of the law.

Acts 7v53 - Who have received the law by the disposition of angels, and have not kept it.

Galatians 3v19 -Wherefore then serveth the law? It was added because of transgressions, till the seed should come to whom the promise was made; and it was ordained by angels in the hand of a mediator.

But now, under the new covenant, we have a new mediator -Jesus Christ, the Son of God and Son of man.

1Tim 2v5 -For there is one God, and ONE mediator between God and men, the man CHRIST JESUS;

We no longer need the intercession of angels or even of saints in heaven on behalf of the saints on earth. We have the intercession of Jesus Christ, the Son of God. And that is as good as it gets.

Romans 8v34 -Who is he that condemneth? It is Christ that died, yea rather, that is risen again, who is even at the right hand of God, who also maketh intercession for us.

And there is indeed no new testament account of angels or heavenly saints interceeding for saints on earth. Neither are we encouraged in any epistle as believers to solicit for the prayers of angels or of heavenly saints.

The intercession of Jesus for us in heaven and the prayers of fellow believers on earth is all the new covenant allows.

Infact, we are not even told to ask Jesus to pray for us; He does that on His own, whether we ask or not, as our High priest and mediator. We only ask for the prayers of fellow believers on earth.

Ephesians 6v18 - Praying always with all prayer and supplication in the Spirit, and watching thereunto with all perseverance and supplication for all saints;

v19  And for me, that utterance may be given unto me, that I may open my mouth boldly, to make known the mystery of the gospel,

2Cor 1v11 - Ye also helping together by prayer for us, that for the gift bestowed upon us by the means of many persons thanks may be given by many on our behalf.

Phillipians 1v19 -For I know that this shall turn to my salvation through your prayer, and the supply of the Spirit of Jesus Christ,

Soliciting the prayers of angels or of heavenly saints is heresis and extra-scriptural under the new covenant.

Shalom.

ayoku777:


Under the old covenant, angels did interceed for man.

Matthew 18v10 -Take heed that ye despise not one of these little ones; for I say unto you, That in heaven their angels do always behold the face of my Father which is in heaven.

Exactly how is this intercession for men?

But that was because under the law, angels were the primary mediators of the old covenant. They were the disposers and ordainers of the law.

Acts 7v53 - Who have received the law by the disposition of angels, and have not kept it.

Galatians 3v19 -Wherefore then serveth the law? It was added because of transgressions, till the seed should come to whom the promise was made; and it was ordained by angels in the hand of a mediator.

But now, under the new covenant, we have a new mediator -Jesus Christ, the Son of God and Son of man.

1Tim 2v5 -For there is one God, and ONE mediator between God and men, the man CHRIST JESUS;

We no longer need the intercession of angels or even of saints in heaven on behalf of the saints on earth. We have the intercession of Jesus Christ, the Son of God. And that is as good as it gets.

Romans 8v34 -Who is he that condemneth? It is Christ that died, yea rather, that is risen again, who is even at the right hand of God, who also maketh intercession for us.

And there is indeed no new testament account of angels or heavenly saints interceeding for saints on earth. Neither are we encouraged in any epistle as believers to solicit for the prayers of angels or of heavenly saints.

The intercession of Jesus for us in heaven and the prayers of fellow believers on earth is all the new covenant allows.

Infact, we are not even told to ask Jesus to pray for us; He does that on His own, whether we ask or not, as our High priest and mediator. We only ask for the prayers of fellow believers on earth.

Ephesians 6v18 - Praying always with all prayer and supplication in the Spirit, and watching thereunto with all perseverance and supplication for all saints;

v19  And for me, that utterance may be given unto me, that I may open my mouth boldly, to make known the mystery of the gospel,

2Cor 1v11 - Ye also helping together by prayer for us, that for the gift bestowed upon us by the means of many persons thanks may be given by many on our behalf.

Phillipians 1v19 -For I know that this shall turn to my salvation through your prayer, and the supply of the Spirit of Jesus Christ,

Soliciting the prayers of angels or of heavenly saints is heresis and extra-scriptural under the new covenant.

Shalom.

Agreed totally

vooks:

Exactly how is this intercession for men?

Read the verse again;

Matthew 18v10 -Take heed that ye despise not one of these little ones; for I say unto you, That in heaven THEIR ANGELS do always behold the face of my Father which is in heaven.

According to Jesus, from these scripture; He said we should not despise these little one, as though they are without help, because they have angels beholding the face of God on their behalf in heaven.

What does it mean to behold the face of God or to lift up your eyes to Him? Is it not for help or in supplication?

He wasn't talking about the angels just starring at God to look at Him, they are beholding the face of God relative to, or on behalf of these little ones.

That's supplication or intercession.

But we have a new intercessor and mediator now though, better than angels -Jesus Christ.

Shalom

ayoku777:


Read the verse again;

Matthew 18v10 -Take heed that ye despise not one of these little ones; for I say unto you, That in heaven THEIR ANGELS do always behold the face of my Father which is in heaven.

According to Jesus, from these scripture; He said we should not despise these little one, as though they are without help, because they have angels beholding the face of God [size=18pt]on their behalf in heaven.
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What does it mean to behold the face of God or to lift up your eyes to Him? Is it not for help or in supplication?

He wasn't talking about the angels just starring at God to look at Him, they are beholding the face of God relative to, or on behalf of these little ones.

That's supplication or intercession.

But we have a new intercessor and mediator now though, better than angels -Jesus Christ.

Shalom

You added the highlighted sir.
Jesus confirms what is hitherto recorded in the apocrypha, the concept of guardian angels, but guardian angels and intercession are poles apart. Angels are and were messengers of God not some conduits for prayers under any dispensation.

ayoku777:


Read the verse again;

Matthew 18v10 -Take heed that ye despise not one of these little ones; for I say unto you, That in heaven THEIR ANGELS do always behold the face of my Father which is in heaven.

According to Jesus, from these scripture; He said we should not despise these little one, as though they are without help, because they have angels beholding the face of God on their behalf in heaven.

What does it mean to behold the face of God or to lift up your eyes to Him? Is it not for help or in supplication?

He wasn't talking about the angels just starring at God to look at Him, they are beholding the face of God relative to, or on behalf of these little ones.

That's supplication or intercession.

But we have a new intercessor and mediator now though, better than angels -Jesus Christ.

Shalom

hahahaha, Vooks over to you. You should have questions from this post surely.

vooks:


You added the highlighted sir.
Jesus confirms what is hitherto recorded in the apocrypha, the concept of guardian angels, but guardian angels and intercession are poles apart. Angels are and were messengers of God not some conduits for prayers under any dispensation.

To behold the face of God or look up to Him is always for help.

Psalm 121v1 - I will lift up mine eyes unto the hills, from whence cometh my help.

Psalm 17v15 -As for me, I will behold thy face in righteousness: [and] I shall be satisfied, when I awake, with thy likeness.

Psalm 34v4 -I sought the Lord, and he heard me, and delivered me from all my fears. 5  They looked unto him, and were lightened: and their faces were not ashamed

Isaiah 45v22 - Look unto me, and be ye saved, all the ends of the earth: for I am God, and there is none else.

We look up to God for help, for salvation (or deliverance), for satisfaction (or wholeness).

And I didn't need to add "on their behalf" for you to get that the little ones were the reason the angels were beholding the face of God. Jesus made that clear

The angels of the little ones were beholding the face of God for those little ones. And it is for help.

Angels interceeded for Jerusalem under the old covenant and beseeched God for Him to have mercy.

Zechariah 1v12 -Then the angel of the Lord answered and said, O Lord of hosts, how long wilt thou not have mercy on Jerusalem and on the cities of Judah, against which thou hast had indignation these threescore and ten years?

This angel was not questioning God, he was intreating God, to end His indignation against Judah and have mercy on Jerusalem.

And God answered the angel.

Zechariah 1v13 - And the Lord answered the angel that talked with me with good words and comfortable words.

v16  Therefore thus saith the Lord; I am returned to Jerusalem with mercies: my house shall be built in it, saith the Lord of hosts, and a line shall be stretched forth upon Jerusalem.

To interceed is to stand in the gap between God and a person or a place, for help for that person or place. And that is what these angels did for Jerusalem and for these little ones Jesus talked about.

The context in which Jesus said the angels behold the face of God is for those little ones, and its for help from God.

Shalom.

Lilimax:
Are not all angels ministering spirits sent to serve those who will inherit salvation?(Hebrew 1:14)
We can send them on errand
However, there is only one God and one Mediator who can reconcile God and humanity--the man Christ Jesus. (I Timothy 2:5)

I love how you know we can send angels on errands.

Most Christians don't even know that. They think angels are higher than them.

We are to give them commands and not to pray to them.

Jeromejnr:


I love how you know we can send angels on errands.

Most Christians don't even know that. They think angels are higher than them.

We are to give them commands and not to pray to them.

True

Jeromejnr:


I love how you know we can send angels on errands.

Most Christians don't even know that. They think angels are higher than them.

We are to give them commands and not to pray to them.

Examples to show the differentiation in the bold please?

Syncan:


Examples to show the differentiation in the bold please?

When you have a house help, do you pray to the house help to do something for you or do you command him?

When you want something from God, do you command Him or do you pray to Him?

ayoku777:


To behold the face of God or look up to Him is always for help.

Psalm 121v1 - I will lift up mine eyes unto the hills, from whence cometh my help.

Psalm 17v14 -From men which are thy hand, O Lord, from men of the world, which have their portion in this life, and whose belly thou fillest with thy hid treasure: they are full of children, and leave the rest of their substance to their babes.

v15 As for me, I will behold thy face in righteousness: [and] I shall be satisfied, when I awake, with thy likeness.

Isaiah 45v22 - Look unto me, and be ye saved, all the ends of the earth: for I am God, and there is none else.

We look up to God for help, for salvation (or deliverance), for satisfaction (or wholeness).

And I didn't need to add "on their behalf" for you to get that the little ones were the reason the angels were beholding the face of God. Jesus made that clear

The angels of the little ones were beholding the face of God for those little ones. And it is for help.

Angels interceeded for Jerusalem under the old covenant and beseeched God for Him to have mercy.

Zechariah 1v12 -Then the angel of the Lord answered and said, O Lord of hosts, how long wilt thou not have mercy on Jerusalem and on the cities of Judah, against which thou hast had indignation these threescore and ten years?

This angel was not questioning God, he was intreating God, to end His indignation against Judah and have mercy on Jerusalem.

And God answered the angel.

Zechariah 1v13 - And the Lord answered the angel that talked with me with good words and comfortable words.

To interceed is to stand in the gap between God and a man or a city, for help for that man or city. And that is what these angels did for Jerusalem and for these little ones Jesus talked about.

The context in which Jesus said the angels behold the face of God is for those little ones, and its for help from God.

Shalom.

Interesting points, waiting for Vooks.

Jeromejnr:


When you have a house help, do you pray to the house help to do something for you or do you command him?

When you want something from God, do you command Him or do you pray to Him?

Hahahaha, now he talks about house helps when his claim was about angels. Please give me one instance when man "commanded" an angel or was told to command an angel (especially in the manner of your house help) throughout scripture.

Syncan:


Hahahaha, now he talks about house helps when his claim was about angels. Please give me one instance when man "commanded" an angel or was told to command an angel (especially in the manner of your house help) throughout scripture.

When they say study your bible, you guys won't study.

14Are not all angels ministering spirits sent to serve those who will inherit salvation?

What does it mean to minister and what does it mean to serve?

Ps 103:20 Bless the LORD, O you his angels, you mighty ones who do his word, obeying the voice of his word!

When you voice out God's words and angels carry them out, are you praying to them or commanding them?

If we are to go by your accusations then I will ask you why you practice some things that we have never seen in the scriptures.

Jeromejnr:


When they say study your bible, you guys won't study.

14Are not all angels ministering spirits sent to serve those who will inherit salvation?

What does it mean to minister and what does it mean to serve?

Ps 103:20 Bless the LORD, O you his angels, you mighty ones who do his word, obeying the voice of his word!

When you voice out God's words and angels carry them out, are you praying to them or commanding them?

If we are to go by your accusations then I will ask you why you practice some things that we have never seen in the scriptures.

Hahahaha; he resorts to insults, now he is trying to bring "some things I practice" into the fray rather than defend his claims. When you read angels as ministering spirits sent to serve those who will inherit salvation as seen in Heb1:14, it simply acknowledges the fact that the angels obey the Command of God (shown all over scripture) to take care of you, it no where suggests that you command angels, nor is there a single scripture to show that man ever commanded angels. Is Psalm 103:20 which you quoted, a prayer or a command?

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Syncan:



Hahahaha; he resorts to insults, now he is trying to bring "some things I practice" into the fray rather than defend his claims. When you read angels as ministering spirits sent to serve those who will inherit salvation as seen in Heb1:14, it simply acknowledges the fact that the angels obey the Command of God (shown all over scripture) to take care of you, it no where suggests that you command angels, nor is there a single scripture to show that man ever commanded angels. Is Psalm 103:20 which you quoted, a prayer or a command?

Bro! You have a lot to learn.

I could even go over to my experiences, visions and revelations from God, but it won't do you any good.

I am not giving in to debates over scriptures again. You can believe what you want.

BTW, even though I know you won't understand, there is also no where in the scriptures where it says on can use Tongues to cast out devils. But it has been used time and time again by different people as directed by God.

Have you even heard of art worship as directed by the Spirit?

Leave your little camp and expose yourself. I understand there are not much Spirit filled churches in Nigeria. If interested I can show you some in U.S.

Till then, be free from religion and doctrines of men.

Shalom!

Jeromejnr:


Bro! You have a lot to learn.

I could even go over to my experiences, visions and revelations from God, but it won't do you any good.

I am not giving in to debates over scriptures again. You can believe what you want.

BTW, even though I know you won't understand, there is also no where in the scriptures where it says on can use Tongues to cast out devils. But it has been used time and time again by different people as directed by God.

Have you even heard of art worship as directed by the Spirit?

Leave your little camp and expose yourself. I understand there are not much Spirit filled churches in Nigeria. If interested I can show you some in U.S.

Till then, be free from religion and doctrines of men.

Shalom!

hahahahaha, Without answering any of the questions he now says I "have a lot to learn"...He suddenly leaves the scriptures that he said I don't read, which he should teach me, to talk about "art worship as directed by the spirit". Then he assumes that I'm in Nigeria where ("there are not much spirit filled churches" ), while insinuating that he is in U.S, Lol. Finally he gives me an advice to be free from religion and doctrines of men. Hahahahahaha, arrogance in Ignorance!

Shallom dear, Shallom.

Syncan:



hahahahaha, Without answering any of the questions he now says I "have a lot to learn"...He suddenly leaves the scriptures that he said I don't read, which he should teach me, to talk about "art worship as directed by the spirit". Then he assumes that I'm in Nigeria where ("there are not much spirit filled churches" ), while insinuating that he is in U.S, Lol. Finally he gives me an advice to be free from religion and doctrines of men. Hahahahahaha, arrogance in Ignorance!

Shallom dear, Shallom.

Lol! Chai!

Receive Christ bro! Be free! Receive of His Spirit.

Refuse to wallow in ignorance. God doesn't work with ignorance but faith.

I have many things to say to you but you can't bear them now.

Meanwhile oga ayoku777, since it seems vooks have been enlightened by you, and he now agrees that it was intercession, abeg when did the angels of the little children stop "beholding the face of God on their behalf in heaven", or have they been disbanded?

Jeromejnr:


Lol! Chai!

Receive Christ bro! Be free! Receive of His Spirit.

Refuse to wallow in ignorance. god doesn't work with ignorance but faith.

I have many things to say to you but you can't bear them now.

I thought we already said goodbyes.

Syncan:


I thought we already said goodbyes.

Shalom Aleichem!

Syncan:
Meanwhile oga ayoku, since it seems voks have been enlightened by you, and he now agrees that it was intercession, abeg when did the angels of the little children stop "beholding the face of God on their behalf in heaven", or have they been disbanded?

The intercessory role of angels under the old covenant was in their capacity as the mediators (disposers and ordainers) of that covenant.

Acts 7v53 - Who have received the law by the disposition of angels, and have not kept it.

Gal 3v19 -Wherefore then serveth the law? It was added because of transgressions, till the seed should come to whom the promise was made; and it was ordained by angels in the hand of a mediator.

But according to the new testament epistles, Jesus is now the only one mediator between God and man

1Tim 2v5 -For there is one God, and ONE MEDIATOR between God and men, the man Christ Jesus

To mediate between God and men, is to stand in the gap before God on behalf of men in whatever capacity (advocate, intercessor, righteousness).

Hebrews 9v24 -For Christ is not entered into the holy places made with hands, which are the figures of the true; but into heaven itself, now to appear in the presence of God FOR US:

If there is any other person, that stands before God and to behold His face on behalf of men, other than Jesus Christ, whether angels or any heavenly saint; then Jesus would not be the only mediator between God and men.

And that would make that scripture wrong.

Under this new covenant, Jesus is our only mediator between God and men. Our advocate, intercessor, righteousness before the Father.

Hebrews 8v6 -But now hath he obtained a more excellent ministry, by how much also he is THE (not A) mediator of a better covenant, which was established upon better promises.

Hebrews 12v24 - And to Jesus THE (not A) mediator of the new covenant, and to the blood of sprinkling, that speaketh better things than that of Abel.

Jesus is THE only mediator between God and men under the new covenant. The only one that appears before the presence of God on behalf of men; as advocate, intercessor and righteousness. Not angels, or any heavenly saint.

Hebrews 9v24 -For Christ is not entered into the holy places made with hands, which are the figures of the true; but into heaven itself, now to appear in the presence of God FOR US:

Shalom

ayoku777:


The intercessory role of angels under the old covenant was in their capacity as the mediators (disposers and ordainers) of that covenant.

Acts 7v53 - Who have received the law by the disposition of angels, and have not kept it.

Gal 3v19 -Wherefore then serveth the law? It was added because of transgressions, till the seed should come to whom the promise was made; and it was ordained by angels in the hand of a mediator.

But according to the new testament epistles, Jesus is now the only one mediator between God and man

1Tim 2v5 -For there is one God, and ONE MEDIATOR between God and men, the man Christ Jesus

To mediate between God and men, is to stand in the gap before God on behalf of men in whatever capacity (advocate, intercessor, righteousness).

If there is any other person, that stands before God and to behold His face on behalf of men, other than Jesus Christ, whether angels or any heavenly saint; then Jesus would not be the only mediator between God and men.

And that would make this scripture wrong.

Under this new covenant, Jesus is our only mediator between God and men. Our advocate, intercessor, righteousness before the Father.

Hebrews 8v6 -But now hath he obtained a more excellent ministry, by how much also he is THE (not A) mediator of a better covenant, which was established upon better promises.

Hebrews 12v24 - And to Jesus THE (not A) mediator of the new covenant, and to the blood of sprinkling, that speaketh better things than that of Abel.

Jesus is THE only mediator between God and men under the new covenant. The only one that stands before God on behalf of men as advocate, intercessor and righteousness. Not angels, or any heavenly saint.

Shalom

My broda,
They say if you dig yourself into a hole the best way out is to stop digging.

You are busy mixing issues instead of admitting your error

INTERCESSION is simply praying for somebody else. Look up any agreed dictionary.

You claimed in the OT angels interceded for he living and attempted to support this but you failed.

How did Angels mediate the OT?
Just about every covenant in the OT is attended to by Angels whether it is Moses and the burning bush, Abraham and so forth. You see Angels all over in OT. But you never see Angels praying for men. They were agents through whom God gave His Law. A perfect example of this agency is Revelation. God sends His angel to John. The angel is not a mediator but a mere agent.

What you are doing is redefining intercession to cover whatever Angels did in the OT. To see your error, get any of the OT books and give me an example of Angels interceding

vooks:


My broda,
They say if you dig yourself into a hole the best way out is to stop digging.

You are busy mixing issues instead of admitting your error

INTERCESSION is simply praying for somebody else. Look up any agreed dictionary.

You claimed in the OT angels interceded for he living and attempted to support this but you failed.

How did Angels mediate the OT?
Just about every covenant in the OT is attended to by Angels whether it is Moses and the burning bush, Abraham and so forth. You see Angels all over in OT. But you never see Angels praying for men. They were agents through whom God gave His Law. A perfect example of this agency is Revelation. God sends His angel to John. The angel is not a mediator but a mere agent.

What you are doing is redefining intercession to cover whatever Angels did in the OT. To see your error, get any of the OT books and give me an example of Angels interceding

Have the Catholics now shifted mediation and intercession from Mary to the Angels ?

Its my first time hearing that angels intercede for man though .

Ive known these wonderful beings to be God's messengers and to protect man against different kinds of evil

Psalm 91:11-12

11 For He shall give His angels charge over you,
To keep you in all your ways.
12 In their hands they shall bear you up,
Lest you dash your foot against a stone.

Luke 4:10

10 For it is written:

‘He shall give His angels charge over you,
To keep you,’

vooks:


My broda,
They say if you dig yourself into a hole the best way out is to stop digging.

You are busy mixing issues instead of admitting your error

INTERCESSION is simply praying for somebody else. Look up any agreed dictionary.

You claimed in the OT angels interceded for he living and attempted to support this but you failed.

How did Angels mediate the OT?
Just about every covenant in the OT is attended to by Angels whether it is Moses and the burning bush, Abraham and so forth. You see Angels all over in OT. But you never see Angels praying for men. They were agents through whom God gave His Law. A perfect example of this agency is Revelation. God sends His angel to John. The angel is not a mediator but a mere agent.

What you are doing is redefining intercession to cover whatever Angels did in the OT. To see your error, get any of the OT books and give me an example of Angels interceding

To behold the face of God or look up to Him is always for help.

Psalm 121v1 - I will lift up mine eyes unto the hills, from whence cometh my help.

Psalm 17v15 -As for me, I will behold thy face in righteousness: [and] I shall be satisfied, when I awake, with thy likeness.

Psalm 34v4 -I sought the Lord, and he heard me, and delivered me from all my fears. 5  They looked unto him, and were lightened: and their faces were not ashamed

Isaiah 45v22 - Look unto me, and be ye saved, all the ends of the earth: for I am God, and there is none else.

We look up to God for help, for salvation (or deliverance), for satisfaction (or wholeness).

And I didn't need to add "on their behalf" for you to get that the little ones were the reason the angels were beholding the face of God. Jesus made that clear

The angels of the little ones were beholding the face of God for those little ones. And it is for help.

Angels interceeded for Jerusalem under the old covenant and beseeched God for Him to have mercy.

Zechariah 1v12 -Then the angel of the Lord answered and said, O Lord of hosts, how long wilt thou not have mercy on Jerusalem and on the cities of Judah, against which thou hast had indignation these threescore and ten years?

This angel was not questioning God, he was intreating God, to end His indignation against Judah and have mercy on Jerusalem.

And God answered the angel.

Zechariah 1v13 - And the Lord answered the angel that talked with me with good words and comfortable words.

v16  Therefore thus saith the Lord; I am returned to Jerusalem with mercies: my house shall be built in it, saith the Lord of hosts, and a line shall be stretched forth upon Jerusalem.

To interceed is to stand in the gap between God and a person or a place, for help for that person or place. And that is what these angels did for Jerusalem and for these little ones Jesus talked about.

The context in which Jesus said the angels behold the face of God is for those little ones, and its for help from God.

Shalom.

Syncan:
Meanwhile oga ayoku777, since it seems vooks have been enlightened by you, and he now agrees that it was intercession, abeg when did the angels of the little children stop "beholding the face of God on their behalf in heaven", or have they been disbanded?

The Angels of the then kids were told to busy themselves with something else after Calvary. Thats funny

Let's think through this; why would God need an angel standing before Him to remind him of a child on earth? Isn't it more plausible to see the Angels as simply guardians lookin over the kids to protect them from harm? How would you call this INTERCESSION?

ayoku777:


To behold the face of God or look up to Him is always for help.

Psalm 121v1 - I will lift up mine eyes unto the hills, from whence cometh my help.

Psalm 17v15 -As for me, I will behold thy face in righteousness: [and] I shall be satisfied, when I awake, with thy likeness.

Psalm 34v4 -I sought the Lord, and he heard me, and delivered me from all my fears. 5  They looked unto him, and were lightened: and their faces were not ashamed

Isaiah 45v22 - Look unto me, and be ye saved, all the ends of the earth: for I am God, and there is none else.

We look up to God for help, for salvation (or deliverance), for satisfaction (or wholeness).

And I didn't need to add "on their behalf" for you to get that the little ones were the reason the angels were beholding the face of God. Jesus made that clear

The angels of the little ones were beholding the face of God for those little ones. And it is for help.

Angels interceeded for Jerusalem under the old covenant and beseeched God for Him to have mercy.

Zechariah 1v12 -Then the angel of the Lord answered and said, O Lord of hosts, how long wilt thou not have mercy on Jerusalem and on the cities of Judah, against which thou hast had indignation these threescore and ten years?

This angel was not questioning God, he was intreating God, to end His indignation against Judah and have mercy on Jerusalem.

And God answered the angel.

Zechariah 1v13 - And the Lord answered the angel that talked with me with good words and comfortable words.

v16  Therefore thus saith the Lord; I am returned to Jerusalem with mercies: my house shall be built in it, saith the Lord of hosts, and a line shall be stretched forth upon Jerusalem.

To interceed is to stand in the gap between God and a person or a place, for help for that person or place. And that is what these angels did for Jerusalem and for these little ones Jesus talked about.

The context in which Jesus said the angels behold the face of God is for those little ones, and its for help from God.

Shalom.

Study Zechariah closely and you will read the intercession comes from Jesus and it reminds you of he high priestly prayer of John 17.

Repeat
Angels have never prayed to God for men

Back to your tenous example
You are yet to demonstrate how Angels stand BETWEEN God and the children.

Jesus simply said that Gid treasures kids and has assigned Angels to each. When you get time, go through Revelation and you find Angels LITERALLY worshipping before God. It is a stretch of imagination to countenance Angels pleading with God on behalf of kids.

Now, go back practically demonstrate how the Law was mediated by Angels other Han what I said

vooks:


Study Zechariah closely and you will read the intercession comes from Jesus and it reminds you of he high priestly prayer of John 17.

Repeat
Angels have never prayed to God for men

Back to your tenous example
You are yet to demonstrate how Angels stand BETWEEN God and the children.

Jesus simply said that Gid treasures kids and has assigned Angels to each. When you get time, go through Revelation and you find Angels LITERALLY worshipping before God. It is a stretch of imagination to countenance Angels pleading with God on behalf of kids.

Now, go back practically demonstrate how the Law was mediated by Angels other Han what I said

Nawa o! So Jesus is the angel of the Lord that said "O Lord of hosts, How long..."?

And you think the angels of the kids beholding the face of God doesn't mean they are beholding it on behalf of the children?

How exactly do you interprete scripture?

I keep showing you scriptures of where looking unto God means for help and deliverance, and you say it doesn't mean the angels were beseeching God.

To mediate means to appear before the presence of God on behalf of a person or a place.

And that is what the angels do when they behold the face of the Father on behalf of the kids.

And that is what the angel that interceeded for Jerusalem and Judah in Zechariah did.

I don't know how you came up with the fact that Jesus was the angel praying there.

I can endure ignorance, but not arrogance. Twisting God's word over what is so obvious.

In the case of the angel that jesus sent to John, the angel was sent on an errand as a ministering spirit. That doesn't mean the angel appears before God's presence on behalf of John or any person, which is what mediation means.

They don't do that anymore, only Jesus does now.

That angels worship before God doesn't mean they appear before Him on behalf of any person or any place anymore. They are not worthy of that role anymore under the new covenant.

Disagree all you want, you can't give this verses another meaning other than the obvious.

To behold the face of the Father is to behold it for help and deliverance. And the angel in Zechariah prayed to God for mercy over Jerusalem and Judah. And please, please, that angel is not Jesus.

The scriptures cannot be broken. Let the word of God be true. Remove sentiments from its interpretation.

Shalom!