JMAN05:


The preface says:

"The work is [size=14]entirely new[/size], and not merely a translation or a
compilation from other encyclopedia sources."

Oga pls go back to where we stopped and start from there. This is the last time am telling you this.

If you ignore where we stopped next time, I will ignore you.

this shows you don't know how to read.

That encyclopedia was published in 1911, at that time the preface was written and it was said to be "new". Is a 1911 book still new today? The book is now about 100yrs old! Is that new?

It updated version was in 1967, that is about50yrs old. So which one is more recent?


The fact that they saw a need to update the book tell you a lot about your hypothesis..

This is also written on the encyclopedia
Nihil Obstat.
November 1, 1908.

nihil obstat is given around d time a book is proof read. The nihil obstat was given in 1908

dolphinheart:



Oga oga!,
1) why do the church use different processes to arrive at the date they use in celebrating their festivals ?.

The date for christmass is fixed on the Gregorian calender, while the date for Easter is not fixed on the gregorian calender , why is this so, when both dates are fixed on the hebrew calender?

because the hebrew calender of the time didn't always observe time accurately! Some years had 13 months other were less, this is because it tried to base it months on the moon. Imagine what it will be like if we decide to add 1 months to d dis year, that means time will be screwed up. This is why clement of alexander records that every christian community were trying to fix christmas in their own calender trying to equate d 9th jewish month in the hebrew calender to their own calenders. The same arguement occured with easter many christians had already fixed it on march ending, while others wanted it around Nisan, others wanted it on a sunday, other said anytime it fell on week days. Infact many held that the biblical narratives were absolutely unclear, confusing and contradicting! Every christian community celebrated it differently. Atlast sunday around Nisan was chosen becos christ rose on a sunday, sunday was the day of the lord, fixing it around 14 nisan had a sybolism "christ is now our new pash", the jews were been told dat d old order was over. And fixing it around nisan 14 will serve as a good date to d different and sometimes contradictory gospel narratives.

I didn't want to go into this topic. I still advise u to read up on d Council of Nicea.

2) can a date fixed on the hebrew calender be fixed on the gregorian calender?

no unless it id removed from d hebrew rendering and fixed on a more accurate calendar

3) why is Easter not usually done on the date it urccurs on the hebrew calender if not for pride and the determination to validate the day more than the date.? (at least if not for the Jews and the bible, we would not have known the date of jesus resurrection )

i didn't want to discuss this here. I also didn't want to discuss dis with someone who i don't know their level of faith.

The date given in the scriptures are contracdictory. There is a way to explain the reason it seems contradictory but i wont go there. Matthew, mark and luke all record dat Jesus was crucified after d day of d passover, dat is d next day after d day of the unleavened bread, dat is d day after d last supper/passover, but john 18: 28 said Jesus was brought before pilate before d passover was eaten. Those different acounts leave us with at least a one day deficit. Did jesus die on 14 nisan or d day before it? This gave us already two different dates. If we follow John the Jesus die at the same time sacrifice was offered in d temple on 14 nisan on d day of d passover, if we follow matthew, mark, luke Jesus died a day after d passover had already been eaten dat is 15 nisan. Dat means Jesus rose for John on 16th morning, while for matthew, mark and luke he rose on 17th morning. Those two dates cannot both be correct at the same time, Jesus didn't rise twice.

So tell me if one Christian community celebrate easter on d 16th on Nisan and d next day d next Christian community celebrates easter on 17 nisan, which of them is more correct or was Jesus risen twice? Or what about the christian who don't use either dates because they correctly and rightly know that d hebrew calendar of those centuries were unreliable, sometimes b sahendrine added 1 month other times they don't, so d day u are celebrating easter can be weeks different from d real date becos d sahendrine were adding and subtracting months becos a lunar month has a decimal point to make a year? Or what about those insist Jesus rose on d first day of the week as d begining of a new creation so easter should b on sunday. All of them have a point so the catholic church had to weigh all the points. The bible it self is inconclusive as it gives two dates, the hebrew calendar didnt measure time correctly. So it was simply placed around d 14 on nisan, that satisfy all righteousness since d bible is itself inconclusive. This has nothing to do with pride. How do u think it will be like if today some christain celebrate easter d next week others do the d next day others, then again d next week?

^^^uncle uben kip it up man u tight jor!

@jman nd co i ve learnt alot from u guyz

@ ubenedictus

Uncle uben ! , ogaaa! , because of a desperate attempt to defend ur pagan celebrations , you have now gone to the extent of accusing the bible of being Contradictory, Haba Bros! , is the bible not inspired again!?

Before i go into these falsehood u are attempting to cook, let me first reply you on what you said based on the questions I asked you.

You said: "because the hebrew calender of the time didn't always observe time accurately!
Some years had 13 months other were less, this is because it tried to base it months on the moon. Imagine what it will be like if we decide to add 1 months to d dis year, that means time will be screwed up.
This is why clement of alexander records that every christian community were trying to fix christmas in their own calender trying to equate d 9th jewish month in the hebrew calender to their own calenders."
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My response:
Oga, that above is the lamest, most falsefied answer I've seen these year. Yes in the hebrew calender, a month is added every few years, that is their own format or way in calculating the years in their calender,its a rule in their calculations and they dnt just add it abitrarily like you are desperately trying to potray. Adding days to a particular calender year is in no way different from the gregorian calender that also add a day every four years.
Like I've said before, no calender is accurate in respect to number of days in a year. and that is how God wanted it to be , events where supposed to be observed and not marked. an example is that dates marked even in the gregorian calender will have to be shifted by a day in 2099.

These same hebrew calender you are trying to discredit cus ur church formulated its own calender , was the same calender God used in telling his people on earth what day they should observe or celebrate certain events. He told them to use that calender to observe it annualy If our creator who know more about time and its measurement could use or make mention of these calender, and their method of marking their days, who are we to reject it.

The attempt to fix permanently, a fixed date on the hebrew calender unto a date on the gregorian calender is impossible and was done for pride and selfish reasons. For example , if jesus was born in tenet 9 and that date falls on Dec 25 th in 2014, in 2015, that date will fall on Dec 13/14th . Therefore it will be falsehood to celebrate jesus birth on Dec 25th 2015.

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You also said : " The same arguement occured with easter many christians had already fixed it on march ending, while others wanted it around
Nisan, others wanted it on a sunday, other said anytime it fell on week days. Infact many held that the biblical narratives were absolutely unclear, confusing and contradicting! Every christian community celebrated it differently. Atlast sunday around Nisan was chosen becos christ rose on a sunday, sunday was the day of the lord, fixing it around 14 nisan had a sybolism "christ is now our new pash", the jews were been told dat d old order was over. And fixing it around nisan 14 will serve as a good date to d different and sometimes contradictory gospel narratives.

My response:
Oga, again I say, all the false and delibrate shifting of date done by different Christian churches was because of pride , because of "na my own understanding better" attitude, and because of refusal to rely on the Jews and their celebrations .

Now let's go to the greatest "Iro nla" of the week .

You stated :" the date given in the scriptures are contracdictory. There is a way to explain the reason it seems contradictory but i won't go there. Matthew, mark and luke all record dat Jesus was crucified after d day of d passover, dat is d next day after d day of the unleavened bread, dat is d day after d last supper/passover, but john 18: 28 said Jesus was brought before pilate before d passover was eaten. Those different acounts leave us with at least a one day deficit. Did jesus die on 14 nisan or d day before it?

My response:
Uncle uben , if you are a Christian , you would not have made that statement above, you are more of a catholic than a Christian and if your church says the bible is false , you will wholeheartedly believe the statement. No wonder , its because of issues like this that they tried hiding the bible from common people.

Ill not only tell you are false, ill use the bible to show u you are false.

Let's start with the Passover.
The scriptures helps us to understand that the Passover was observed on the 14th day of Nissan ( Ex 12:1-6; 13:4)
This Passover is the first day in a series of days in which the isrealite observe a particular celebration .
We know that a day to the Jews start from sunset to sunset. Unlike us that start a day in the morning by 6 am or legally by 12midnite.(if you dnt know this, ask and ill explain)
So observing events on a particular day starts in the evening of that day (sunset ) to the evening of the next day .

Now that year (the year jesus died) the Passover occurred on the sixth day of the week (counted by the Jews as from sundown on Thursday to sundown on Friday). This is evident from John 19:31, which shows that the following day was “a great” sabbath. The day after Passover was always a sabbath, no matter on what day of the week it came. ( Le 23:5-7) But when this special Sabbath coincided with the regular Sabbath (the seventh day of the week, which starts sunset friday to sunset Saturday), it became “a great one.

Now let's look at scriptural events sorrounding the death of jesus .
Jesus knew he will be handed over on Passover - Mt 26:2, Joh 13:1-3.

On that night jesus had the Passover with his disciples in accordance with the date and time of the day (late evening) it was held .

Imediately after that meal (on that same date ,Nissan 14, and that same night) jesus and his disciples went to the mount of olives .- math 26:30,31, mark 14:26. Luke 22:39 ,john 18:1

That same night(Nissan 14) jesus was arrested and taken to the sahendrin.
The sahendrin questioned him that same night cus it was just before morning ,while peter was near the sahendrin that the cock crowed 3 times.

That same night time (early in the morning of Nissan 14, just before the sun came up, at dawn,jesus was taken to pilate.- Mt 27;1,2,; John 18:28,29; mark 15:1; luke 23:1.
In Matthew 14:25 and Mark 13:35 πρωῖ´(dawn, early in the morning) is equivalent to the fourth watch of the night, between three and six o'clock. this timing might mean that those who had not eating the Passover could still do so, another reason for the statement in john 18: 28 will be explained in next post


All the events that happened after he was taking to pilate-his questioning, his beating and his comndemnation and death happened between that dawn and 3PM of nissan 14 (remember how the Jews measure when the day starts and end) when he died .— Lu 23:44-46.

So oga uben , the scriptures does not contradict itself when it said jesus died on Nissan 14 and was resurrected a day after the Sabbath.

So pls retract the falsehood you posted and stop confusing ur nephew, vest.

Further explanation john 18:28

the verse shows that entry into a Gentile home was viewed by the Jews as an act that brought ceremonial defilement. While the Law given through Moses made no specific injunction against such minor association, this view was common among the Jews and particularly among their religious leaders.

As to Time Order. It was a question of defilement that gave rise to the words: “They themselves did not enter into the governor’s palace, that they might not get defiled but might eat the passover.” The Jews considered it a defilement to enter into a Gentile dwelling.( Ac 10:28) This statement was made, however, “early in the day,” hence after the Passover meal had taken place. It is to be noted that at this time the entire period, including Passover day and the Festival of Unfermented Cakes that followed, was at times referred to as “Passover.” In the light of this fact, Alfred Edersheim offers the following explanation: A voluntary peace offering was made on Passover and another, a compulsory one, on the next day, Nisan 15, the first day of the Festival of Unfermented Cakes. It was this second offering that the Jews were afraid they might not be able to eat if they contracted defilement in the judgment hall of Pilate.—
The Temple, 1874, pp. 186, 187.

2)If jesus was taking to pilate before Passover as you assume in Johns statement,then the disciples would not have stated that jesus had several hours earlier eating the Passover meal, and event that was stated again later by the disciples.

3) if jesus was taking to pilate before the Passover, his account of the events after jesus death, the issue of the great Sabbath, the Sabbath starting hours after jesus death will be false. Cus the Jews will be observing the Passover and not the Sabbath.

Then the prophecy and statement relating to breaking of legs of the other two men and not of jesus would not have come up cus it was done so that they could be burried that same day and not on the Sabbath which starts that evening (next day to the Jews)

Ubenedictus:


this shows you don't know how to read.

That encyclopedia was published in 1911, at that time the preface was written and it was said to be "new". Is a 1911 book still new today? The book is now about 100yrs old! Is that new?

It updated version was in 1967, that is about50yrs old. So which one is more recent?


The fact that they saw a need to update the book tell you a lot about your hypothesis..

This is also written on the encyclopedia
Nihil Obstat.
November 1, 1908.

nihil obstat is given around d time a book is proof read. The nihil obstat was given in 1908

When you are serious, you know where to start.

For now, have a nice day.

dolphinheart:
Further explanation john 18:28

the verse shows that entry into a Gentile home was viewed by the Jews as an act that brought ceremonial defilement. While the Law given through Moses made no specific injunction against such minor association, this view was common among the Jews and particularly among their religious leaders.

As to Time Order. It was a question of defilement that gave rise to the words: “They themselves did not enter into the governor’s palace, that they might not get defiled but might eat the passover.” The Jews considered it a defilement to enter into a Gentile dwelling.( Ac 10:28) This statement was made, however, “early in the day,” hence after the Passover meal had taken place. It is to be noted that at this time the entire period, including Passover day and the Festival of Unfermented Cakes that followed, was at times referred to as “Passover.” In the light of this fact, Alfred Edersheim offers the following explanation: A voluntary peace offering was made on Passover and another, a compulsory one, on the next day, Nisan 15, the first day of the Festival of Unfermented Cakes. It was this second offering that the Jews were afraid they might not be able to eat if they contracted defilement in the judgment hall of Pilate.—
The Temple, 1874, pp. 186, 187.

2)If jesus was taking to pilate before Passover as you assume in Johns statement,then the disciples would not have stated that jesus had several hours earlier eating the Passover meal, and event that was stated again later by the disciples.

u see how u try to pen a defence even though it contradicts the literal written words?

The words say they didnt want to be defiled and thus prevented from eating the passover, u instead claim it was fermented cakes they wanted to it.

There is a simple reason why there is a seeming contradiction and it has nothing to do with changing the word "passover" to "cake".

dolphinheart:
@ ubenedictus
My response:
Oga, that above is the lamest, most falsefied answer I've seen these year. Yes in the hebrew calender, a month is added every few years, that is their own format or way in calculating the years in their calender,its a rule in their calculations and they dnt just add it abitrarily like you are desperately trying to potray. Adding days to a particular calender year is in no way different from the gregorian calender that also add a day every four years.
Like I've said before, no calender is accurate in respect to number of days in a year. and that is how God wanted it to be , events where supposed to be observed and not marked. an example is that dates marked even in the gregorian calender will have to be shifted by a day in 2099.

These same hebrew calender you are trying to discredit cus ur church formulated its own calender , was the same calender God used in telling his people on earth what day they should observe or celebrate certain events. He told them to use that calender to observe it annualy If our creator who know more about time and its measurement could use or make mention of these calender, and their method of marking their days, who are we to reject it.

The attempt to fix permanently, a fixed date on the hebrew calender unto a date on the gregorian calender is impossible and was done for pride and selfish reasons. For example , if jesus was born in tenet 9 and that date falls on Dec 25 th in 2014, in 2015, that date will fall on Dec 13/14th . Therefore it will be falsehood to celebrate jesus birth on Dec 25th 2015.

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My response:
Oga, again I say, all the false and delibrate shifting of date done by different Christian churches was because of pride , because of "na my own understanding better" attitude, and because of refusal to rely on the Jews and their celebrations .

this brings us back to the issue of calendars, is the jewish calendar of 30 BC exactly the same as that of 300 AD? Or did it undergo serious modifications that shifted the importants date?
This is an interesting one because the early Christians didnt just wake up one morning and pridefully reject the Jewish calendar, infact there was nothing to do with pride there, they gave their reasons! The calendar had been modified and automated that it had shifted significantly from d heavenly paterns and rendered the celebration on it moot. I hope to go into this when d later.

THE HEBREW CALENDAR.

The hebrew calendar is simply d calendar used and regulated by the hebrews. It months are based on d moon, its days are from sunset to sunset and it year like most calendars is based on d movement of d earth round d sun.

In ancient times this calendar was an observed calendar, it was not automated. This means someone(actually 2 people) in Jerusalem has to see d new moon and report it to d sahendrine, then d sahendrine will declear a new month and 'sanctify' the month. If nobody sees a new moon then no new month! Also it was the work of d sahendrine to fix d year dat has an extra month, this was not also an automated practice, there was not law like add one month every 4yrs, it was not like dat, below is what is need to add another year

“For three reasons a year may be pronounced an intercalary year; because of the ripeness of the grain (if this has not occurred at the proper season), and on account of the sun (if the sun at
Passover has not yet come into the sign of Aries), and if the rains
had not ceased. And if two of these reasons combine may one conclude for intercalation, but not for one of these alone.” so if in successive yrs the rainfall was extended and d barley didnt ripen then the sahendrine will continue to add a month to d year in an effort to reallign the year to the seasons or d sun!

THE DISTRUCTION OF THE TEMPLE.
All this changed when the romans distroyed the temple, the sahendrine(those who determine, regulate d caledar) were either kill or dispersed and there was nolonger a central authority to determime d calendar this caused great confusion as different sects were trying to fix d calendar. McClintock and Strong’s Cyclopedia of Biblical, Theological and Ecclesiastical Literature (CBTEL) has the following to say on the subject of the Paschal Controversy, “It is a question of astronomy; for the Jewish calendar ceased to be any trustworthy guide after the destruction of Jerusalem...The ancient Jews could only have celebrated the Passover after the vernal equinox,” p. 722. Notice the two things in the above quotation:
[b]• The Jewish calendar ceased to be trustworthy after the destruction of the Temple; and
• The ancient Jews (before the new calendar was published by Hillel II) could only have celebrated the Passover AFTER the vernal equinox supposedly on March 21.

this was why nobody wanted to follow d jews, afted d sahendrine fell the jews were confused and confusing

Jewish Calendar Undergoes Change


The years 132-135 C.E. mark the revolt of Bar-Kochba and his followers. It took the most able Roman general Julius Severus to put down the rebellion, with dreadful slaughter on both sides.

Hadrian vowed to raze Jerusalem so that none would know there had ever been a city there. Jews were not allowed in the city, and Jerusalem’s destruction by the Roman army was carried out. The Sanhedrin (the governing Jewish religious body) could no longer meet to sanctify the new moons each month and therefore dates for the Feast days were in disarray. The proper calendar dates for the annual Feasts were in question.
It was at this time that the Jewish calendar underwent a change.

Hilel II decided to remake the calendar, and since there was no more sahendrine d decided to automate it. That is where the problem came it. As the previous reference tell us, in the old way of doing things the passover was always made to fall AFTER the vernial equinox but in d new calendar hilel made the passover fell sumtimes BEFORE the equinox. All who knew d old calendar immediately saw that hilel calendar was defective, that was why the early xtians had to reject d new passover cos it didnt tally with d old.

Additional proof of a change in the Jewish calendar is presented the Paschal Canons of Anatolius, preserved for us in the Nicene and Post-Nicene Fathers, Vol. 1, p.
319. Anatolius, held in high regard for his eloquence and erudition, wrote about a century after the onset of the Paschal controversy, “Wherefore we maintain that those who place the first month (Nisan) in it (the zodiacal sign before the vernal equinox) and determine by it the 14th day of Passover, commit no slight or common blunder. And this is not an opinion of our own; but it was known to the Jews of old, even before [Messiah] and was carefully observed by them.”

Anatolius said that at the time of Messiah and before, Passover never was allowed to occur BEFORE the vernal equinox, but did exactly that under the present Hillel calendar, where Passover was placed two days before the equinox in the 17th year of the cycle! This NEVER occurred in Temple times.

Further, Anatolius points out that this can be learned from “Philo, Josephus, and Musaeus and not only them, but also by those yet more ancient, the two Agathobuli, surnamed ‘Master,’ and the famous Aristobulus, who was chosen among the seventy interpreters of the sacred and holy Hebrew Scriptures by Ptolemy Philadelphus and his father who also dedicated his exegetical books on the law of Moses to the same kings.
“These writers, explaining
questions in regard to the
Exodus, say that all alike should sacrifice the Passover offerings after the vernal equinox. I know that many other things have been said by them, some of them probable, and some approaching absolute demonstration, by which they endeavor to prove
that it is altogether necessary to keep the Passover and the Feast
of Unleavened Bread after the equinox.”

this was a serious issue not about pride, Helil had shifted d calendar and it was a serious issue cos it also shifted d passover out of date.

As the Encyclopedia Britannica states (under Origen), “The Jewish calendar is the result of long development; its present form is not of great antiquity."

Peter, Bishop of Alexandria, around 295 C.E. Condemned the changes made by the Jews in their adoption of certain rules in their calendar.
Recorded for us in Ante-NicenetFathers Vol. 6, we read the comment (referring to the Jews) as follows;
“But if they knew Him who sent, and His who was sent, there is no reason to doubt but that they have been ignorant of the Passover as prescribed by the law, so as not merely to err in their choice of the place as(they were now looking to Tiberias and Usha instead of Jerusalem) but also in reckoning the beginning of the 14th day of which, being accurately observed after the equinox, the ancients
celebrated the Passover according to the Holy Command: whereas the men of the present day now celebrate it before the equinox, and that altogether through ignorance and error, being ignorant how they
celebrate it in its season...”
Note that this Bishop of
Alexandria confirms that the ancient Jews observed the Passover according to Yahweh’s
command and kept it after the equinox. Because of the changes
made in reckoning of the Jewish calendar, their present ciphering is in error.

So when the hebrew calendar fell into error and the Christians were sure it could no longer rightly tell when is passover, they immediately moved all their celebrations from it including easter and fixed them in the other calendars, nicea fixed easter after the vernial equinox.

Ubenedictus:
this brings us back to the issue of calendars, is the jewish calendar of 30 BC exactly the same as that of 300 AD? Or did it undergo serious modifications that shifted the importants date?
This is an interesting one because the early Christians didnt just wake up one morning and pridefully reject the Jewish calendar, infact there was nothing to do with pride there, they gave their reasons! The calendar had been modified and automated that it had shifted significantly from d heavenly paterns and rendered the celebration on it moot. I hope to go into this when d later.

1. You refused to address the points stated in the post, you are now trying to bring another up.

2. You urself need to answer the questions you asked. You know the old and new method used to calculate the hebrew calender, check it and see if their dates for events has changed. You forgot the points of the discussion. I already told you about the imposibillity created by God for man to accurately create a calender to record time using earthly and heavenly objects, hence the need for the hebrew calender to shift its recording of days time after time. Even with that jehovah still gave them a date based on that calender, the date did not create the calender, therefore the event will follow the calculations of that calender.

3. At bold, making an accusation without giving proof is wrong and will not stand. You say the "early christians" pls what period did this early christians reject the hebrew calender and what calender did they approve.

4. You say its not pride, but dnt you think the best way to do things if something has been changed is to go back to the old method? And not to create an entirely new one? An action even worse than those you accuse of modification?

5. Can you give examples of these heavenly patterns that have shifted due to these modification of dates?
And can you say your new calender solves this shifting? Cus I'm aware Easter is not celebrated on same date every year.!

Ubenedictus:
u see how u try to pen a defence even though it contradicts the literal written words?

The words say they didnt want to be defiled and thus prevented from eating the passover, u instead claim it was fermented cakes they wanted to it.

There is a simple reason why there is a seeming contradiction and it has nothing to do with changing the word "passover" to "cake".

Bro, there is a reason why those "literal written words where said" and that is what I explained to you using the bible and history. I did not replace Passover with cake.

Look at my post again
"This statement was made,
however, “early in the day,”
hence after the Passover
meal had taken place. It is to be noted that at this time the
entire period, including
Passover day and the Festival
of Unfermented Cakes that
followed, was at times
referred to as “Passover.” In the light of this fact, Alfred Edersheim offers the following explanation: A voluntary peace offering was made on Passover and another, a compulsory one, on the next day, Nisan 15, the first day of the Festival of Unfermented Cakes. It was this second offering that the Jews were afraid they might not be able to eat if they contracted
defilement in the judgment hall
of Pilate.—
The Temple, 1874, pp. 186,
187.
(note the word Passover is different from Passover say just as christmass period or Christmas holidays is different from Christmas day)

This part of my post was deliberately omitted by you :

"If Jesus was taking to pilate
before Passover as you
assume in Johns statement,then the disciples
would not have stated that
Jesus had several hours
earlier eating the Passover
meal, and event that was
stated again later by the
disciples."

Ubenedictus:
THE HEBREW CALENDAR.

The hebrew calendar is simply d calendar used and regulated by the hebrews. It months are based on d moon, its days are from sunset to sunset and it year like most calendars is based on d movement of d earth round d sun.

The hebrew calender is a lunisolar calender, year is not just based on the earth's movement around the sun.

In ancient times this calendar was an observed calendar, it was not automated. This means someone(actually 2 people) in Jerusalem has to see d new moon and report it to d sahendrine, then d sahendrin will declear a new month and 'sanctify' the month. If nobody sees a new moon then no new month! Also it was the work of d sahendrine to fix d year dat has an extra month, this was not also an automated practice, there was not law like add one month every 4yrs, it was not like dat, below is what is need to add another year

“For three reasons a year may be pronounced an intercalary year; because of the ripeness of the grain (if this has not occurred at the proper season), and on account of the sun (if the sun at Passover has not yet come into the sign of Aries), and if the rains had not ceased. And if two of these reasons combine may one conclude for intercalation, but not for one of these alone.” so if in successive yrs the rainfall was extended and d barley didnt ripen then the sahendrine will continue to add a month to d year in an effort to reallign the year to the seasons or d sun!

And this is not a law?
Now did they successfully realign the year to the seasons or the sun like other solar calenders still do every few years. The hebrew calender has more days to of error(in relation to the movement of the earth around the sun) that your calender, but both are not perfect, why? Cus both still reallign every few years, only that the method of realigning is different.

THE DISTRUCTION OF THE TEMPLE.
All this changed when the romans distroyed the temple, the sahendrine(those who determine, regulate d caledar) were either kill or dispersed and there was nolonger a central authority to determime d calendar this caused great confusion as different sects were trying to fix d calendar. McClintock and Strong’s Cyclopedia of Biblical, Theological and Ecclesiastical Literature (CBTEL) has the following to say on the subject of the Paschal Controversy, “It is a question of astronomy; for the Jewish calendar ceased to be any trustworthy guide after the destruction of Jerusalem...The ancient Jews could only have celebrated the Passover after the vernal equinox,” p. 722. Notice the two things in the above quotation:
[b]• The Jewish calendar ceased to be trustworthy after the destruction of the Temple; and
• The ancient Jews (before the new calendar was published by Hillel II) could only have celebrated the Passover AFTER the vernal equinox supposedly on March 21.

this was why nobody wanted to follow d jews, afted d sahendrine fell the jews were confused and confusing

And thus the next thing to do is to create a new calender and choose certain dates from the hebrew calender.?
If you could create a new calender , why dnt you use the rules governing the old hebrew calender to create the days of the events you observe. Why did you not re -establish the old hebrew calender for ur religious observance? At least creating a new calender makes you the central authority. Answer is pride.

Ubenedictus:
Jewish Calendar Undergoes Change


The years 132-135 C.E. mark the revolt of Bar-Kochba and his followers. It took the most able Roman general Julius Severus to put down the rebellion, with dreadful slaughter on both sides.

Hadrian vowed to raze Jerusalem so that none would know there had ever been a city there. Jews were not allowed in the city, and Jerusalem’s destruction by the Roman army was carried out. The Sanhedrin (the governing Jewish religious body) could no longer meet to sanctify the new moons each month and therefore dates for the Feast days were in disarray. The proper calendar dates for the annual Feasts were in question.
It was at this time that the Jewish calendar underwent a change.

1. No source for these post of urs .

2 . After the destruction of the Second Temple in 70, the Sanhedrin was re-established in Yavneh with reduced authority. The imperial Roman government and legislation recognized it as the Palestinian Patriarchate, the ultimate authority in Jewish religious
matters. The seat of the Patriarchate moved to Usha under the presidency of Gamaliel II in 80 CE. In 116 it moved back to Yavneh, and then again back to Usha. It moved in 140 to Shefaram under the presidency of Shimon ben Gamliel II, and to Beit Shearim and Sepphoris in 163, under the presidency of Judah I. Finally, it moved to Tiberias in 193, under the presidency of Gamaliel III (193–230) ben Judah haNasi, where it became more of a consistory, but still retained, under the presidency of Judah II (230–270), the power of excommunication.
During the presidency of
Gamaliel IV (270–290), due to Roman persecution, it dropped the name Sanhedrin; and its authoritative decisions were subsequently issued under the
name of Beth HaMidrash.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sanhedrin

The notion that the sahedrin was unable to meet after 135 ce to determine the date is false.

Hilel II decided to remake the calendar, and since there was no more sahendrine d decided to automate it. That is where the problem came it. As the previous reference tell us, in the old way of doing things the passover was always made to fall AFTER the vernial equinox but in d new calendar hilel made the passover fell sumtimes BEFORE the equinox. All who [/b]knew d old calendar immediately saw that hilel calendar was defective, that was why the early xtians had to reject d new passover cos it didnt tally with d old.[/b]

At first bold : the sahendrin was still in existence as at the date this new method for calculating the hebrew calender was adopted.

As a reaction to Julian's pro- Jewish stance, Theodosius I forbade the Sanhedrin to assemble and declared ordination illegal. Capital punishment was prescribed for any Rabbi who received ordination and complete destruction of the town where the ordination occurred. However, since the Hebrew calendar was based on witnesses' testimony, that had become far too dangerous to collect, Hillel II recommended change to a mathematically based calendar that was adopted at a clandestine, and maybe final, meeting in 358 CE.
This marked the last universal
decision made by that body

Interesting to note that it was this same emperor that later issued a decree to effectively make ur church the state church.!

He also issued decrees that
effectively made orthodox
Nicene Christianity the official
state church of the Roman
Empire.

Now would pride allow them to use the hebrew calender? No., they had to create a new one, despite knowing the rules of the old one.

At second bold : what problem, you urself has seen that the hebrew scriptures has always been under modification using eye witness of certain celestial and agricultural events, what is wrong with the automation of these celestial events due to circumstances beyond their control. There where trying to save their calender and succeded in doing so.
The difference in the old and new hebrew calender is just the method used to determine the calender dates. Was the old totally different from the new? Let's see
Although originally the new lunar crescent had to be observed and certified by witnesses, the moment of the true new moon is now approximated arithmetically as the molad, which is the mean new moon to a [u]precision of one part.
The mean period of the lunar
month (precisely, the synodic
month) is very close to 29.5
days. Accordingly, the basic Hebrew calendar year is one of twelve lunar months alternating between 29 and 30 days:

Reading the above, I wonder how your early christians realised that the dates in the hebrew calender have shifted .

You made this statement ;
in the old way of doing things the passover was always made to fall AFTER the vernial equinox but in d new calendar hilel made the passover fell sumtimes BEFORE the equinox.

Can you provide proof to this statement?

Nissan is a month in the hebrew calender, the 1st day of these month shift about 11 days every year, thus the 14 day must also shift the same number of days when compared to the movement of the earth around the sun.
So before the hebrew calender is being corrected with the solar calender, Nissan 14 would have shifted by 30-33 days.
I've checked numerous data on Nissan. And Nissan 14, and non occured before the equinox.
ill wait to see if you can provide proof of the Passover occuring before the equinox .

Ill also wait to see if you can provide data on the hebrew calender which shows that the 1st of the month started on a day other than those prescribed by the sahendrin using the old method.

Additional proof of a change in the Jewish calendar is presented the Paschal Canons of Anatolius, preserved for us in the Nicene and Post-Nicene Fathers, Vol. 1, p.
319. Anatolius, held in high regard for his eloquence and erudition, wrote about a century after the onset of the Paschal controversy, “Wherefore we maintain that those who place the first month (Nisan) in it (the zodiacal sign before the vernal equinox) and determine by it the 14th day of Passover, commit no slight or common blunder. And this is not an opinion of our own; but it was known to the Jews of old, even before [Messiah] and was carefully observed by them.”

Anatolius said that at the time of Messiah and before, Passover never was allowed to occur BEFORE the vernal equinox, but did exactly that under the present Hillel calendar, where Passover was placed two days before the equinox in the 17th year of the cycle! This NEVER occurred in Temple times.

What year was that?
So that we can calculate.
What year did the new hebrew calender start so that we can know what happened seventeen years after.

Further, Anatolius points out that this can be learned from “Philo, Josephus, and Musaeus and not only them, but also by those yet more ancient, the two Agathobuli, surnamed ‘Master,’ and the famous Aristobulus, who was chosen among the seventy interpreters of the sacred and holy Hebrew Scriptures by Ptolemy Philadelphus and his father who also dedicated his exegetical books on the law of Moses to the same kings.
“These writers, explaining
questions in regard to the
Exodus, say that all alike should sacrifice the Passover offerings after the vernal equinox. I know that many other things have been said by them, some of them probable, and some approaching absolute demonstration, by which they endeavor to prove
that it is altogether necessary to keep the Passover and the Feast of Unleavened Bread after the equinox.”

this was a serious issue not about pride, Helil had shifted d calendar and it was a serious issue cos it also shifted d passover out of date.

You refuse to show proof of this shift .
I've also told you told you that by old and new calculations of the hebrew calender, the date of the Passover must always shift in relation to the dates determined by the sun. The Passover is basically determined by the moon and its appearance occur at occassions different from the appearance of the sun.
The sun is only used to realign the already shifted dates of the hebrew calender.

Now how do you arrive at Easter date ?. Which calender did you use?.

Ubenedictus:
As the Encyclopedia Britannica states (under Origen), “The Jewish calendar is the result of long development; its present form is not of great antiquity."

Where did you get this from?

Peter, Bishop of Alexandria, around 295 C.E. Condemned the changes made by the Jews in their adoption of certain rules in their calendar.
Recorded for us in Ante-NicenetFathers Vol. 6, we read the comment (referring to the Jews) as follows;
“But if they knew Him who sent, and His who was sent, there is no reason to doubt but that they have been ignorant of the Passover as prescribed by the law, so as not merely to err in their choice of the place as(they were now looking to Tiberias and Usha instead of Jerusalem) but also in reckoning the beginning of the 14th day of which, being accurately observed after the equinox, the ancients
celebrated the Passover according to the Holy Command: whereas the men of the present day now celebrate it before the equinox, and that altogether through ignorance and error, being ignorant how they
celebrate it in its season...”
Note that this Bishop of
Alexandria confirms that the ancient Jews observed the Passover according to Yahweh’s
command and kept it after the equinox. Because of the changes
made in reckoning of the Jewish calendar, their present ciphering is in error.

So when the hebrew calendar fell into error and the Christians were sure it could no longer rightly tell when is passover, they immediately moved all their celebrations from it including easter and fixed them in the other calendars, nicea fixed easter after the vernial equinox.

Indeed some Jews celebrated the Passover before the equinox, but does these mean that the hebrew calender giving by the sahendrin did so too?
That is an information I want you to provide.

Between 395 and 1582 , what calender did ur church us to calculate the Passover and Easter, and what issues did it have with the equinox?

The enjoyment of the socalled historical and unbiblical 25th December festival is so fun that many Christians will do anything to back it up with the bible just to be sure they are not celebrating as the pagans do. The bible gave only two birthday events. Both events were from pagans. King Pharaoh and Herod. Bothe birthday events took lifes. King Herod ’s birthday took John the Baptist head. While king Pharaoh’s killed his chief baker. It is important to read the whole book to understand how birthday led them in killing. They might have got drunk and feeling too proud on a special. None of the prophets celebrated birthday. This alone should tell you its not important. Why tag the Messiah with a world events?

That of King Pharaoh :
Genesis 40:20-23 Now it came to pass on the third day, which was Pharaoh’s birthday, that he made a feast for all his servants; and he lifted up the head of the chief butler and of the chief baker among his servants. Then he restored the chief butler to his butlership again, and he placed the cup in Pharaoh’s hand. But he hanged the chief baker, as Joseph had interpreted to them. Yet the chief butler did not remember Joseph, but forgot him.

And that of KING Herod :
Mark 6:14-29
20 For Herod feared John, knowing that he was a just man and an holy, and observed him; and when he heard him, he did many things, and heard him gladly.

21 And when a convenient day was come, that Herod on his birthday made a supper to his lords, high captains, and chief estates of Galilee;

22 And when the daughter of the said Herodias came in, and danced, and pleased Herod and them that sat with him, the king said unto the damsel, Ask of me whatsoever thou wilt, and I will give it thee.

23 And he sware unto her, Whatsoever thou shalt ask of me, I will give it thee, unto the half of my kingdom.

24 And she went forth, and said unto her mother, What shall I ask? And she said, The head of John the Baptist.

25 And she came in straightway with haste unto the king, and asked, saying, I will that thou give me by and by in a charger the head of John the Baptist.

26 And the king was exceeding sorry; yet for his oath's sake, and for their sakes which sat with him, he would not reject her.

plappville:
The enjoyment of the socalled historical and unbiblical 25th December festival is so fun that many Christians will do anything to back it up with the bible just to be sure they are not celebrating as the pagans do. The bible gave only two birthday events. Both events were from pagans. King Pharaoh and Herod. Bothe birthday events took lifes. King Herod ’s birthday took John the Baptist head. While king Pharaoh’s killed his chief baker. It is important to read the whole book to understand how birthday led them in killing. They might have got drunk and feeling too proud on a special. None of the prophets celebrated birthday. This alone should tell you its not important. Why tag the Messiah with a world events?

That of King Pharaoh :
Genesis 40:20-23 Now it came to pass on the third day, which was Pharaoh’s birthday, that he made a feast for all his servants; and he lifted up the head of the chief butler and of the chief baker among his servants. Then he restored the chief butler to his butlership again, and he placed the cup in Pharaoh’s hand. But he hanged the chief baker, as Joseph had interpreted to them. Yet the chief butler did not remember Joseph, but forgot him.

And that of KING Herod :
Mark 6:14-29
20 For Herod feared John, knowing that he was a just man and an holy, and observed him; and when he heard him, he did many things, and heard him gladly.

21 And when a convenient day was come, that Herod on his birthday made a supper to his lords, high captains, and chief estates of Galilee;

22 And when the daughter of the said Herodias came in, and danced, and pleased Herod and them that sat with him, the king said unto the damsel, Ask of me whatsoever thou wilt, and I will give it thee.

23 And he sware unto her, Whatsoever thou shalt ask of me, I will give it thee, unto the half of my kingdom.

24 And she went forth, and said unto her mother, What shall I ask? And she said, The head of John the Baptist.

25 And she came in straightway with haste unto the king, and asked, saying, I will that thou give me by and by in a charger the head of John the Baptist.

26 And the king was exceeding sorry; yet for his oath's sake, and for their sakes which sat with him, he would not reject her.

Did you notice what they where doing in both instances?
Answer: birthday celelebration.

Did you notice how they did it?
Answer: merriment, party and the brazen consumption of alcohol.

Did you notice the title of those mentioned ?
Answer : they where kings.

Why do pagan kings, pagans and idol worshipers start and hold birthdays as important ?
Answer: cus of astrology , the reading of stars to predict future event.

Does jehovah like, support, approve, endose astrology, their practices and over in merriment?
Absolutely NO.

Jehovah, jesus, the disciples, and apostles went a long way in protecting us from paganistic influence by not revealing to us the date jesus was born, so that some wunt use that date to establish new doctrines. But despite all that, some still decided to find one day sha in a calender they themselves created.

dolphinheart:


Did you notice what they where doing in both instances?
Answer: birthday celelebration.

Did you notice how they did it?
Answer: merriment, party and the brazen consumption of alcohol.

Did you notice the title of those mentioned ?
Answer : they where kings.

Why do pagan kings, pagans and idol worshipers start and hold birthdays as important ?
Answer: cus of astrology , the reading of stars to predict future event.

Does jehovah like, support, approve, endose astrology, their practices and over in merriment?
Absolutely NO.

Jehovah, jesus, the disciples, and apostles went a long way in protecting us from paganistic influence by not revealing to us the date jesus was born, so that some wunt use that date to establish new doctrines. But despite all that, some still decided to find one day sha in a calender they themselves created.

I was once like them. They will come to keep man tradition aside and face the truth at the appropriate time. Its difficult for them.
I read a book about the birth of Christmas. This book opened my eyes to the truth. Its been 5 years now i have let go this unbiblical feast.
No scripture talks about CHristmas, and we know how the name Christmas was replaced to make it Christians feast. See Pastor of Deeper life bible church WF Kumuyi has also annouced to his members that Christmas is not really the birthday of Christ. The West have thier own way of celebrating it. They brought it to Africa yet Africa will tell them they know the history more than the West...

plappville:


I was once like them. They will come to keep man tradition aside and face the truth at the appropriate time. Its difficult for them.
I read a book about the birth of Christmas. This book opened my eyes to the truth. Its been 5 years now i have let go this unbiblical feast.
No scripture talks about CHristmas, and we know how the name Christmas was replaced to make it Christians feast. See Pastor of Deeper life bible church WF Kumuyi has also annouced to his members that Christmas is not really the birthday of Christ. The West have thier own way of celebrating it. They brought it to Africa yet Africa will tell them they know the history more than the West...

@ bold, na our way be that, when we accept something, we sometimes act as if na we create am.
It will take time before we reject it here, took some time for those that brought it here to accept the truth about it, but now more and more are stopping it or changing the meaning and mode of the celebration. Its now turning to seasons greetings and not merry christmass again.

dolphinheart:


@ bold, na our way be that, when we accept something, we sometimes act as if na we create am.
It will take time before we reject it here, took some time for those that brought it here to accept the truth about it, but now more and more are stopping it or changing the meaning and mode of the celebration. Its now turning to seasons greetings and not merry christmass again.

True talk. I got some season greetings. Maybe because they know i no longer partake in Merry Christmas stuff...

dolphinheart:

Where did you get this from?



Indeed some Jews celebrated the Passover before the equinox, but does these mean that the hebrew calender giving by the sahendrin did so too?
That is an information I want you to provide.

Between 395 and 1582 , what calender did ur church us to calculate the Passover and Easter, and what issues did it have with the equinox?

1. I stated the source right there.


2. All the early writter i have read clearly say that before Hilel is never happen BEFORE the equinox, they clearly write it always happen after! I went as far as to quote d writters. Do u have 1 ancient writting that says the contrary, or are u simply reject what i have written cos u dislike it?

To answer ur question, at nicea, the church decided to place easter on d sunday after d vernal equinox. No matter where it fell on any calendar.

dolphinheart:


Bro, there is a reason why those "literal written words where said" and that is what I explained to you using the bible and history. I did not replace Passover with cake.

Look at my post again
"This statement was made,
however, “early in the day,”
hence after the Passover
meal had taken place. It is to be noted that at this time the
entire period, including
Passover day and the Festival
of Unfermented Cakes that
followed, was at times
referred to as “Passover.” In the light of this fact, Alfred Edersheim offers the following explanation: A voluntary peace offering was made on Passover and another, a compulsory one, on the next day, Nisan 15, the first day of the Festival of Unfermented Cakes. It was this second offering that the Jews were afraid they might not be able to eat if they contracted
defilement in the judgment hall
of Pilate.—
The Temple, 1874, pp. 186,
187.
(note the word Passover is different from Passover say just as christmass period or Christmas holidays is different from Christmas day)

This part of my post was deliberately omitted by you :

"If Jesus was taking to pilate
before Passover as you
assume in Johns statement,then the disciples
would not have stated that
Jesus had several hours
earlier eating the Passover
meal, and event that was
stated again later by the
disciples."

here we go again!
The writter didnt mean d real passover, he was talking about fermented cakes.

dolphinheart:


1. You refused to address the points stated in the post, you are now trying to bring another up.

2. You urself need to answer the questions you asked. You know the old and new method used to calculate the hebrew calender, check it and see if their dates for events has changed. You forgot the points of the discussion. I already told you about the imposibillity created by God for man to accurately create a calender to record time using earthly and heavenly objects, hence the need for the hebrew calender to shift its recording of days time after time. Even with that jehovah still gave them a date based on that calender, the date did not create the calender, therefore the event will follow the calculations of that calender.

3. At bold, making an accusation without giving proof is wrong and will not stand. You say the "early christians" pls what period did this early christians reject the hebrew calender and what calender did they approve.

4. You say its not pride, but dnt you think the best way to do things if something has been changed is to go back to the old method? And not to create an entirely new one? An action even worse than those you accuse of modification?

5. Can you give examples of these heavenly patterns that have shifted due to these modification of dates?
And can you say your new calender solves this shifting? Cus I'm aware Easter is not celebrated on same date every year.!

1. What points did i miss?
2. I haver done dat already and i have shown dat the ancient writter say d hebrew calender was change. Ur point contradicts ur argument, if d date doesnt matter because it is hard to measure time, then why are u busy arguing here about a date people extrated from one calender and placed on another. If d jewish calendar was changed/shift will its date still b corect?
3. I gave d 'proof in my other posts. D early xtians rejected d changing of d jewish calendar hence setting easter to b independent of it.

4. The new method was patterned after d old especially noting d fact dat as u said d hebrew calendar may lag for up to 11 days. They needed dates dat didnt lag for dat long.
5. D calendar is what shifted, d pasover dat never fell b4 d equinox started to do so.
Easter wasnt fixed on a calender, it was fixed on d sunday after d equinox.

Ubenedictus:


1. I stated the source right there.

Direct me to the source, dnt know how to get there.

2. All the early writter i have read clearly say that before Hilel is never happen BEFORE the equinox, they clearly write it always happen after! I went as far as to quote d writters. Do u have 1 ancient writting that says the contrary, or are u simply reject what i have written cos u dislike it?

I believe you read my post, those that celebrated the Passover before the equinox , did they base their celebration on the sahendrin calender? If yes pls tell us what year.
I've already told you two things.
1.Some Jews celebrated Passover at a date different from the one giving by the sahendrin.
2. No calender is perfect or accurate, it always has to be adjusted after a period of time for it to align with the celestial bodies.

To answer ur question, at nicea, the church decided to place easter on d sunday after d vernal equinox. No matter where it fell on any calendar.

You did not even attempt to answer any of my questions. I never asked you why the church decided to place Easter anywhere in any calender. I asked you : between 395 and 1582 what calender did your church use to calculate the Passover and Easter. And after telling us which calender was used , you can now tell us what issues the calender has with the equinox .

Ubenedictus:
here we go again!
The writter didnt mean d real passover, he was talking about fermented cakes.

@ bolded, Is there a fake Passover?

The writer is trying to tell you that the whole period between the Passover day and the fermented cakes is called the Passover

Maybe you will understand the statement below:
".....Passover commences on the 15th of the Hebrew month of Nisan and lasts for either seven days (in Israel) and for Reform Jews and other progressive Jews around the world who adhere to the Biblical commandment or eight days for Orthodox,Hasidic, and most Conservative Jews (in the diaspora).[7][8] In Judaism, a day commences at dusk and
lasts until the following dusk,
thus the first day of Passover
only begins after dusk of the
14th of Nisan and ends at dusk
of the 15th day of the month of
Nisan. The rituals unique to the
Passover celebrations
commence with the Passover
Seder when the 15th of Nisan
has begun. In the Northern
Hemisphere Passover takes
place in spring as the Torah
prescribes it: "in the month of
[the] spring" ( בחדש האביב
Exodus 23:15 ). It is one of the
most widely observed Jewish
holidays.......
In the Israel, Passover is the
seven-day holiday of the Feast
of Unleavened Bread......


You have deliberately cut off the second point again, that point shows that unless you believe that the scriptures contradict itself , then your views are wrong.
You want to hold on to your views, and ur views contradict the scriptures using that second point, hence you dnt want to mention it.

Crocz:
I swear by God, and the gods of yorubaland...both the new and the old, Jesus was not born on Dec 25th!



Dec 25th was a Pagan day for worshipping the Sun god...the Roman Catholic fix that day so has to stop pagans who converted worshipping other thing on that day!

see this person, he swore for something he was not sure about. Sorry for you. Sir, when was your Jesus born?

Ayomivic:


see this person, he swore for something he was not sure about. Sorry for you. Sir, when was your Jesus born?

very funny,he probably will say he don't know YET he swear Jesus was not born December 25. Confused man.

AND HOW MANY PASSOVER MEALS DO WE NOW HAVE?

dolphinheart:

Direct me to the source, dnt know how to get there.




I believe you read my post, those that celebrated the Passover before the equinox , did they base their celebration on the sahendrin calender? If yes pls tell us what year.
I've already told you two things.
1.Some Jews celebrated Passover at a date different from the one giving by the sahendrin.
2. No calender is perfect or accurate, it always has to be adjusted after a period of time for it to align with the celestial bodies.

I asked you : between 395 and 1582 what calender did your church use to calculate the Passover and Easter. And after telling us which calender was used , you can now tell us what issues the calender has with the equinox .

1. i have told u 1 thing, the early writting clearly say it never was celebrated b4 d equinox by any1 b4 Hilel.
2. D church didnt use a calender it used d equinox.

dolphinheart:

Direct me to the source, dnt know how to get there.




I believe you read my post, those that celebrated the Passover before the equinox , did they base their celebration on the sahendrin calender? If yes pls tell us what year.
I've already told you two things.
1.Some Jews celebrated Passover at a date different from the one giving by the sahendrin.
2. No calender is perfect or accurate, it always has to be adjusted after a period of time for it to align with the celestial bodies.

I asked you : between 395 and 1582 what calender did your church use to calculate the Passover and Easter. And after telling us which calender was used , you can now tell us what issues the calender has with the equinox .

"Encyclopedia Britannica states (under Origen)"
1. i have told u 1 thing, the early writting clearly say it never was celebrated b4 d equinox by any1 b4 Hilel.
2. D church didnt use a calender it used d equinox.

Ubenedictus:

1. What points did i miss?

These are the points again :

1.in the hebrew calender, a month is added every few years, that is their own format or way in calculating the years in their calender,its a rule in their calculations and they dnt just add it abitrarily.....
Adding days to a particular
calender year is in no way
different from the gregorian
calender that also add a day
every four years.

2. Like I've said before, no
calender is accurate in
respect to number of days in a
year. and that is how God
wanted it to be , events where
supposed to be observed and
not marked. an example is
that dates marked even in the
gregorian calender will have
to be shifted by a day in 2099.!

3. The attempt to fix permanently, a fixed date on
the hebrew calender unto a
date on the gregorian
calender is impossible and
was done for pride and selfish
reasons. For example , if
Jesus was born in tenet 9 and
that date falls on Dec 25th in
2014, in 2015, that date will
fall on Dec 13/14th . Therefore
it will be falsehood to
celebrate Jesus birth on Dec
25th 2015.

4.Oga, again I say, all the false
and delibrate shifting of date
done by different Christian
churches was because of
pride , because of "na my own
understanding better" attitude,
and because of refusal to rely
on the Jews and their
celebrations .
Or did they get the actual dates correct when they created a new calender? No!

2. I haver done dat already and i have shown dat the ancient writter say d hebrew calender was change.

All you did was accuse without giving proof that can be cross checked. What year did the calender giving by the sahendrin go wrong?

Ur point contradicts ur argument, if d date doesnt matter because it is hard to measure time, then why are u busy arguing here about a date people extrated from one calender and placed on another. If d jewish calendar was changed/shift will its date still b corect?

First impossibility: to get an exact fixed date based on the movement of celestial bodies . Example , the equinox has not always been occuring on the same day or time. While the movement of the earth around the sun has been constant, no calender has been able to acurately fix it. Hence the hebrews did not bother to fix their calenders that way initially, their calenders are fixed by the date at which that celestial body decides to show itself. But due to a Christian world leader decisions, doing so became a problem.

Second impossibilty : it is impossible to use a fixed event on one calender to establish another fixed event on another calender.
The calenders have different calcations.
A good example is the christmass celebration.

I never said the date does not matter cus Its hard to measure time.!
The hebrews used the celestial bodies to fix their calender, and used their calender to fix their events. Hope u understand the arrangement.
They do not initially operate a fixed calender that does not observe celestial movements.

3. I gave d 'proof in my other posts. D early xtians rejected d changing of d jewish calendar hence setting easter to b independent of it.

You are repeating the same thing.

1. What date did this early christians reject the hebrew Calender, so that we can know if there where early christians or state church members.

2. Show proof that the calender by the sahendrin observed the Passover before the equinox.
There where many Jewish calenders during that time.

3. What calender did the church approve after rejecting the hebrew calender?

4. The new method was patterned after d old especially noting d fact dat as u said d hebrew calendar may lag for up to 11 days. They needed dates dat didnt lag for dat long.

Can you tell us the patterns your calenders and the old hebrew calender have in common.?
1.Do they have the same number of days in a year.
2. Is the month in ur calender determined by the appearance of the moon?
3. Why do you not leave the 11 days difference there as done by the isrealites.

Because you dnt like the old method of calculations. You decided to formulate a new one. The festivals that God initiated for the isrealites was celebrated using the old method, but because of pride and a desperate attempt to separate ur authority from that of the Jews, u decided to do away with any old method, the lunisolar method ( in which you are aware of the process and method of calculations), and create a new solar calender in which the general populace cannot but observe cus of ur political authority.

What was done is ten times worse than what the sahendrin did as pagan doctrines was now mixed with these calender.

You reject the hebrew calender cus of the equinox and Passover, yet you fail to see that your calenders could not fix an exact permanent date and time for the equinox.

5. D calendar is what shifted, d pasover dat never fell b4 d equinox started to do so.
Easter wasnt fixed on a calender, it was fixed on d sunday after d equinox.

Which calender,? The calender extablished by the sahendrin? Show proof, tell us which year these occured !.

What is Easter,? A scriptural celebration or a celebration created by ur church. The fixing of the date is dubious.!