Richirich713:


Intelligence has to do with the design of the universe, if the universe was completely out of order with no sign of design then intelligence would have nothing to do with the issue at hand.

Like I quoted earlier

"If anything at all exists, there must be something preceding it that always existed. How did this eternally existing reality come to be? The answer is that it never came to be. It always existed. Take your pick: God or universe. Something always existed."

And that's my point, it makes more sense to say a eternal intelligent being created this complex universe and fine tune it.

Or U can go with chance and "out of nothing" if u think that is a better explanation.

Or u can go with the agnostic view which seems to be what most atheists here hold to.

How does it make more sense?

How do you link "intelligence" to "eternal"?

You mean you have some scientific or logical prove that intelligence creates eternality?

Intelligent beings cannot have a "beginning" and an "end"?

Why do you think you have a better argument that this your God "always existed" than someone else arguing the Universe "always existed"?

This is not logical: "If anything at all exists, there must be something preceding it that always existed". It is just an argument you created to fit the logic you want to put forward. You can't prove it. I want facts.

Richirich713:


Yes.

When did this happen, like 5000 years ago??

If you're one of the more reasonable xtians, tell me where the room left for god in evolution is? Also, how 'random', or arbitrary if you will, would you qualify the processes as being?

Richirich713:


Intelligence has to do with the design of the universe, if the universe was completely out of order with no sign of design then intelligence would have nothing to do with the issue at hand.

Like I quoted earlier

"If anything at all exists, there must be something preceding it that always existed. How did this eternally existing reality come to be? The answer is that it never came to be. It always existed. Take your pick: God or universe. Something always existed."

And that's my point, it makes more sense to say a eternal intelligent being created this complex universe and fine tune it.

Or U can go with chance and "out of nothing" if u think that is a better explanation.

Or u can go with the agnostic view which seems to be what most atheists here hold to.

bro, as I said earlier, just leave them. I haven't seen any atheist that accepts that he is wrong. They keep arguing no matter what you tell them.

Sagamite:


How does it make more sense?

Guy I'm not going into repetitive discussion, if u don't agree that it makes more sense that a intelligent being created intelligent life and fine tune the universe , then fine.

Plz just don't continue to repeat the same question, on why it makes more sense.

Sagamite:


How do you link "intelligence" to "eternal"?

I link cuz based on the evidence, it's the best and most logical explanation

Out of nothing comes nothing, eternity is necessary.

I'm really hope u not trying to say this universe came literally from "nothing", and hope u not saying that makes more sense.

Sagamite:


You mean you have some scientific or logical prove that intelligence creates eternality?

Intelligent beings cannot have a "beginning" and an "end"?

No one said that, the only reason I say the eternal source must be intelligent is cuz of the DESIGN AND FINE TUNING of the universe.

If the universe was not fine tune, I would have never said anything about intelligence cuz there would be no evidence for that.

Sagamite:

Why do you think you have a better argument that this your God "always existed" than the Universe "always existed"?

The universe had a beginning, something cause the Big Bang.

Either what cuz it did it intelligently or randomly.
But evidence points to intelligence.

And it's not me who even says the universe is not eternal, it's the atheists like Dawkins nd hawking who say it came from nothing.

If u offer a more logical explanation then plz share it with me.

zzzzy:
bro, as I said earlier, just leave them. I haven't seen any atheist that accepts that he is wrong. They keep arguing no matter what you tell them.

I don't get why anyone would even argue that there is nothing eternal and that it makes more sense that nothing created everything randomly.

I think I'm taking ur advice, I'm done repeating myself here.

Richirich713:


Then u should keep ur opinion and assumptions to urself, u can't just say "I don't know but I know the theist is wrong about a designer ". Clearly u a agnostic but speak like a pure Atheist.

OK, I should keep my opinion to myself just because its not in line with your silly assumptions. You know that's not possible.
Weather I am agnostic or theist is really ur problem since u have chosen to bother about it. The bottom line is, your God does not exist.

I don't know where the "we" comes in cuz last time I check everything can't be scientifically proven.

So how have u proven ur assumptive God?

All this English shows ur denial of the obvious, since the big bang, Atheists suddenly don't believe the word eternal can be apply anymore, rather we should stop talking about the universe and live our life.

Yet Amazing u assuming in order for God too exist there must be no evil,no suffering, must be observational proof of him and humans must be happy.

And about observations, I like the way Einstein put it :

"I am not a positivist. Positivism states that what cannot be observed does not exist. This conception is scientifically indefensible, for it is impossible to make valid affirmations of what people ‘can’ or ‘cannot’ observe. One would have to say ‘only what we observe exists,’ which is obviously false.”




So is suffering, death and pain is evidence against God, does that make love,care and joy evidence for God ?

The evident for God should be in himself. He should prove himself to the world he created. Love, suffering, death, joy etc cannot be an evidence of Gods existence, they are evidence of our existence.

Yes, I can refute the idea there was a two headed man who was the president of the USA. I can also refute the existence of dinosaurs in my home.

Evidence is the issue.

I can give u a number of reasons to why the price of bread is going up at the end of the month, u can reject all but that in no way means u have the right to conclude the prices of bread aren't going up.

Theists provide reasons for their views, and atheists should also provide reasons for their views, since saying I know there ls no God is a claim to knowledge, u claim u know the theist is wrong.

The Agnostic has the default position not the pure Atheist.

Lol...seriously if God exists he must be a clown. He sits in heaven and watch u make case for him? Dont you see how your attempt to make sense assumptive idea only makes u ridicle it.
Abegi, if your God exists he should prove himself. You are n no position to prove it since u are not God.or are u God?

Richirich713:


Guy I'm not going into repetitive discussion, if u don't agree that it makes more sense that a intelligent being created intelligent life and fine tune the universe , then fine.

Plz just don't continue to repeat the same question, on why it makes more sense.

Well then, don't repeat answers that does not answer the question asked and you will not have a repetitive discussion.

You are yet to efficiently explain the reasoning you went through that led you to conclude you are right and they are wrong. That led you to conclude, you make sense and they don't.

Try again.

Richirich713:

I link cuz based on the evidence, it's the best and most logical explanation

Out of nothing comes nothing, eternity is necessary.

I'm really hope u not trying to say this universe came literally from "nothing", and hope u not saying that makes more sense.

What makes it the "best" and "most logical"?

You go school na?

When you make a claim, you are suppose to back it up with logic and facts.

Richirich713:

No one said that, the only reason I say the eternal source must be intelligent is cuz of the DESIGN AND FINE TUNING of the universe.

If the universe was not fine tune, I would have never said anything about intelligence cuz there would be no evidence for that.

Fine.

Now who made the intelligence of the eternal source? His intelligence came from nothing?

Richirich713:

The universe had a beginning, something cause the Big Bang.

Either what cuz it did it intelligently or randomly.
But evidence points to intelligence.

And it's not me who even says the universe is not eternal, it's the atheists like Dawkins nd hawking who say it came from nothing.

If u offer a more logical explanation then plz share it with me.

Well, you are the one that argued to me here that the universe is not eternal but God is, so don't think you can repudiate that argument by deflection to "authorities".

If you don't believe it, then I suggest you never use it to argue.

If you use it, be ready to defend it when asked.

So why can't the universe be eternal?

sonOfLucifer:
In the beginning was God.

And he got bored because the world was void. God knew not how he came. He had always existed. He is, was and is.

He couldn't die, so he couldn't be said to be alive. He was. He just was.

At some point, a thought came into his head. Now one can't say where this thought came from. Or if this thought gave him a sense of purpose. But it was a good thought.

So he spoke. And there was light. And with that light, he saw lots of darkness. And space, lots of space. The kind of space that will put a smile on an Ikwerre man's face.

So off to work he set. A planet here and a planet there. The world was his creative playground. All he had to do was speak and it became. The original talk and do.

Setting a foolish premise doesn't help you arrive at where you want to arrive. Your hope to understand is good and God given, but founding it on deceit and twisting of the truth will not help your cause. The truth is right there in the Bible, not these nonsense you have written which can only serve as comedy if there is any tangible purpose to it. i'm certain you really are not out for comedy, you want and need truth. i'll be back to help you, don't worry.

Image123:

I'm certain you really are not out for comedy, you want and need truth. i'll be back to help you, don't worry.

Yes Bro. I need help. Give me some Jesus to save me poor soul.

sonOfLucifer:

Yes Bro. I need help. Give me some Jesus to save me poor soul.

He is standing right at the door of your heart, let Him in.

sonOfLucifer:
In the beginning was God.

And he got bored because the world was void. God knew not how he came. He had always existed. He is, was and is.

He couldn't die, so he couldn't be said to be alive. He was. He just was.

At some point, a thought came into his head. Now one can't say where this thought came from. Or if this thought gave him a sense of purpose. But it was a good thought.

So he spoke. And there was light. And with that light, he saw lots of darkness. And space, lots of space. The kind of space that will put a smile on an Ikwerre man's face.

So off to work he set. A planet here and a planet there. The world was his creative playground. All he had to do was speak and it became. The original talk and do.

Most of your presumptions and assumptions are wrong and a product of half-baked Bible knowledge. Your theology is evidently wrong, skewed and flawed. That implies that eveerything else, especailly your conclusion about God may be wrong. Read along.
The beginning referred to here is the beginning of earth, man's earth. not of God or Heaven or angels. God has no beginning, He is the Beginning and the End, the First and the Last. After the beginning, the earth BECAME without form and void. The word "was" used in verse 2 is haw-yaw better translated as BECAME. And the earth became without form, and void. This point is a little bit important as it helps you understand/appreciate better that the earth was not created 5literal days before man. The earth was created in the beginning, then at some time it BECAME without form and void. The '1st day' is from verse 3. So what happened, why did the earth become without form and void? Judgement happened, satan happened. There used to be an angel Lucifer controlling earth possibly among others, he used to live and reign in Eden. This is corroborated by other passages like the below.
Isa 14:12 How art thou fallen from heaven, O Lucifer, son of the morning! how art thou cut down to the ground, which didst weaken the nations!
Eze 28:3 Behold, thou art wiser than Daniel; there is no secret that they can hide from thee:
Eze 28:6 Therefore thus saith the Lord GOD; Because thou hast set thine heart as the heart of God;
Eze 28:13 Thou hast been in Eden the garden of God; every precious stone was thy covering, the sardius, topaz, and the diamond, the beryl, the onyx, and the jasper, the sapphire, the emerald, and the carbuncle, and gold: the workmanship of thy tabrets and of thy pipes was prepared in thee in the day that thou wast created.
Eze 28:14 Thou art the anointed cherub that covereth; and I have set thee so: thou wast upon the holy mountain of God; thou hast walked up and down in the midst of the stones of fire.
Eze 28:15 Thou wast perfect in thy ways from the day that thou wast created, till iniquity was found in thee.
Eze 28:16 By the multitude of thy merchandise they have filled the midst of thee with violence, and thou hast sinned: therefore I will cast thee as profane out of the mountain of God: and I will destroy thee, O covering cherub, from the midst of the stones of fire.
Eze 28:17 Thine heart was lifted up because of thy beauty, thou hast corrupted thy wisdom by reason of thy brightness: I will cast thee to the ground, I will lay thee before kings, that they may behold thee.
Eze 28:18 Thou hast defiled thy sanctuaries by the multitude of thine iniquities, by the iniquity of thy traffic; therefore will I bring forth a fire from the midst of thee, it shall devour thee, and I will bring thee to ashes upon the earth in the sight of all them that behold thee.

Premise is set, i will continue later.

^^^ Premise is set.... in your mind. LOL

sonOfLucifer:
So he spoke and continents came to being, sprawling with wildlife, rivers, the landscape was awesome. He had chosen the 3rd planet from the sun, apparently the billions of others were. just a showcase for his infinite design capabilities.

And he looked upon everything he had made and marvelled at his brilliance. Amazing. Mosquitoes and flies, rats and bats all living in peaceful harmony. It was good indeed.

But then, the boredom set in again. Millions of species yet none could acknowledge his brilliance. None could see and appreciate his work like he did.

And so he made his first mistake.


Man.

This is yet another round of misinformation not found in the Bible or alluded to. God did not create man or earth out of boredom. Also there are millions and millions of angels in Heaven and the heavenlies giving praise and glory to God, and "appreciating His work". Also, if you refer to disobeying God or displeasing God as a mistake, well it wasn't a first. Angels did that long before man was created. e.g satan.
Jud 1:6 And the angels which kept not their first estate, but left their own habitation, he hath reserved in everlasting chains under darkness unto the judgment of the great day.

You obviously do not know the Bible enough to make these conclusions, apparently you have made mistakes in your conclusions and ideas about God. God made man virtually to replace satan on earth, not boredom or mistake. That apparently got satan mad, because man is a little lower than angels and yet set to replace mr. Beautiful.
Psa 8:5 For thou hast made him a little lower than the angels, and hast crowned him with glory and honor.

sonOfLucifer:
It was the weekend finally.After such a stressful week creating planets, rivers, and all other nonsense, God was about to embark on his biggest project. He put on his TMIF (thank me it's friday) t-shirt as he stepped out of his magnificent palace in heaven, specially built of course, by him.

He arrived Earth in the blink of an eye, landing right in the middle of his beautiful Garden. The beauty of intergalactic superCreator travel.

Quickly, he asked the animals to gather round for the first ever meeting of the Creatures. He promised them more fruits and when the snake showed up late for the meeting, he spoke extra feet to his legs. When they had all arrived and settled, he made the announcement to them..

"Birds, fishes, respected mammals, I gather you today to bring you good news. Ever since I created you a few days back, I've been thinking that you'd do better with a manager. So I've decided to create a new specie today, one who would rule over you in my stead"

"Oh let him have my ears and hands" the monkey screamed, swinging lazily on an elephant's trunk...

"Oh no, no, no....", God replied. "I have a better idea, I've decided to make him in my own image"...

The animals all rejoiced and celebrated. They couldn't make sense of what he said, but it must be an awesome idea.

"Relax, relax " God said as he tried to get their attention amidst the uproar his announcement had made.. "It's not going to be easy, and I'll need all of you to contribute. First, I'll need some clay"

"Erm, you're standing on it" the tortoise pointed out.

"Oh yeah, yeah, thanks, I'll just start working now. So y'all can leave me alone so I can work in peace"...

And so it began. God's greatest project. Holy divine sweat dripped down his godly brows as he shaped the perfect man; face, abs and balls all carved to perfection. Just as the sun began to set in the horizon, his magnificent work was finished.

All that was left was his breath. To initiate chaos.

Man is not chaos. Also, God did not take any input from animals to create man. This is absolutely ludicrous and nothing close to understanding christianity. God spoke to God in creating man, hear Him.
Gen 1:26 And God said, Let us make man in our image, after our likeness: and let them have dominion over the fish of the sea, and over the fowl of the air, and over the cattle, and over all the earth, and over every creeping thing that creepeth upon the earth.
Gen 1:27 So God created man in his own image, in the image of God created he him; male and female created he them.

Also certainly, man was never God's biggest project. God loves man no doubt, and made him the 'crown' of earth, kind of the lord of earth, giving him the dominion. But man is no where God's biggest project being the Lord of Heaven and Earth.
Dan 4:35 And all the inhabitants of the earth are reputed as nothing: and he doeth according to his will in the army of heaven, and among the inhabitants of the earth: and none can stay his hand, or say unto him, What doest thou?
Isa 40:15 Behold, the nations are as a drop of a bucket, and are counted as the small dust of the balance: behold, he taketh up the isles as a very little thing.

sonOfLucifer:
So when the clay had caked, God exhaled and the clay inhaled. Thus, the heart began to beat and pump blood, through every vein and every artery. And he opened his eyes and saw no one before him. Only a voice. And the voice called him Adam..
And soon, some creatures were gathered around him, and the voice said he'd the power to name them. He was informed that he would have to manage and take care of every single one of them.

Adam took one look at the monkeys throwing faeces at each other, the baboons and the hyenas making raucous sounds. This definitely wasn't going to be the best job in the universe. There was nothing to envy here.

'Oh, before I forget, just one thing. You see that tree right there, the one between the guava and udara tree, yeah that one, don't go near that. It ain't safe. No matter how hungry you are, I FORBID YOU FROM EATING IT. Never ever ever eat it.'

'But, why?', Adam asked, as he noticed a strange feeling rise within him.

'It's just bad. Don't do it. It is the tree of knowledge. You'd know good from evil' God replied.

'What is good and what is evil?' Adam asked. God was stumped.
'Oh, ehn, never mind, heheh, ,just stay away from that tree. It could harm you, you really don't want to know the consequence'. And God disappeared before Adam could ask any more unsettling questions.


Daily, Adam cleaned the garden dutifully. He hung out with the animals, cleaned and fed them. Daily, he walked past the three, not even so much as glancing at it for fear he'd be tempted.

One hot afternoon, Adam fell into a deep sleep and when he woke up, he found he had 6 pack abs. One was missing. Scared to death, he quickly jumped and received the greatest shock of his short adult life. If the shock could kill him, it would have. But these were times in which men lived to be 900 years old and a heart attack was just a minor reaction to too much gardening.

Before him, stood the most beautiful being he had ever seen. And God whispered in his ears, 'that's your 7th pack right there'.

The first birthday gift ever was a woman, born of rib.

There is nothing unsettling to God about any tree, He made them all.
Gen 2:9 And out of the ground made the LORD God to grow every tree that is pleasant to the sight, and good for food; the tree of life also in the midst of the garden, and the tree of knowledge of good and evil.

God made the tree for a purpose, which seems like to test man. Exams are not made for the purpose of failing students. You pass tests/exams to be verified, certified, promoted etc. Failures are the ones who complain about exams been out to fail them.
Now, the description of Adam's work and of the garden of Eden should show anybody that truely thinks that Adam was no slowpoke or dullard. Adam was made in the IMAGE of God, He was the most intelligent man that ever lived. He had divinity oozing all over him. Here is a man with ability and capability of assembling and naming ALL beast of the field, and every fowl of the air, and all cattle. Unintelligent people do not and cannot do that. Great scientists, historians and co are the ones that gather together to TRY and do that.
Also, the garden of Eden was not the size of your primary school playing ground. This was a place irrigated by four rivers. Eden is a picture of utopia, paradise and enlightenment. This was where Adam kept. It is where he worked, he dressed and kept it. He had ability to REPLENISH the earth with it. He was given the mandate to replicate Eden all over the earth. Ignoramuses don't do that, average IQs cannot process that. Here is the man who had all the gene, DNA, bloodgroup, brain etc all in him. That is who Adam was, before the fall. And even after the fall, and before the flood, the genius was still evident in the way fallen man lived their lives. Their feeding, their health, their discoveries, their music, their science, arts and commerce which set a precedence and foundation for all generations that followed.
Finally, Adam and Eve ere created on the same day, that is what the Bible says.

sonOfLucifer:
The Garden of Eden was the first home of mankind. Eden was a garden of many firsts: the first place man peed, the first place man had sex, the first place man called home.

Adam and Eve, the first couple, trimmed the gardens during the day and fornicated at night. The ribwoman Eve would trim Adam's beards when he was done gardening late in the evening. She'd gather fruits for her man while he trained the animals on basic garden etiquette and it was on one of these fruitgathering trips she'd meet a snake that would change the destiny of the world.

Whether this snake could talk or it was possessed by a being, we'd never really know. But this snake's IQ was definitely higher than Eve's. For, how in Bleep's name, could a creature made from a man's rib, be so easily misled by a fucking snake?

Maybe it was the legs that got her tripping. She noticed him slithering on a tree, minding his own business.
'Hi Mr Snake, how far now? Hw body?', she said, as she set her basket full of freshly plucked oranges and guava beside the tree.

'Body dey inside scale, Ribwoman, how Oga Adam? ', snake replied.

' Im dey fine o.. I just tire for this life. No fun here. Those monkeys broke a giraffe's neck yesterday while swinging on it. Adam had to explain to God that he had his hands full chasing the hyenas away from the Forbidden Tree'.

The snake took one long look at her...

She continued.
'Why is that tree forbidden? ' she asked.
' Didn't Adam tell you? ' snake replied.
' Yeah, he said God gave him instructions against eating from the tree. He was warned that it'd kill him'.

'Kill him? Hahahaa.. No ribwoman. That tree won't kill you. The tree is dangerous because eating its fruit will give you great wisdom and knowledge. You won't die but live after eating it. You go sabi better thing if you chop that fruit, wallahi sister true to God. Chop am and you go see'..

Eve was taken aback at first with shock. There was something about what this snake that sounded right and wrong at the same time.

'Honey, where are you?. She looked up as Adam walked into view in the distance.

'I'm coming boo. Just getting your favorite fruits to make a fruit salad for you tonight '.

She quickly got up, and when she turned to bid the snake farewell, he was no where to be found.

Like i have earlier stated, the garden of Eden is not your regular garden the size of your primary school playground. It was massive. It contained trees and was large enough to be irrigated by four rivers. Also, you need to find out the meaning of fornication, Adam and Eve were married.

Gen 2:9 And out of the ground made the LORD God to grow every tree that is pleasant to the sight, and good for food; the tree of life also in the midst of the garden, and the tree of knowledge of good and evil.

The garden contained among other trees, the tree of life, and the tree of knowledge of good and evil. Certainly, any logic that thinks, suggests or concludes that the tree of knowledge of good and evil indicates that Adam had no knowledge of good and evil should also think, suggest and conclude that Adam had no life. That's logic, that's reasoning, that's rationale. Adam and Eve didn't eat from either of the two trees before the "fall". This clearly shows that those names are symbolic and not literal in our common understanding.

blueyedgeek:
The story of creation as postulated by Christians really has a lot going for it, only thing is the people that wrote it didn't have great foresight. Talking snakes and donkeys, while intriguing are still things that should be left in a children fantasy book not a serious book that aims to explain the why and how of existence.

@op, your story is hilarious by the way although I'm not too sure of your own aim (are you giving your own account as inspired by Lucie or just narrating how the events actually happened. Either way, it's interesting).

I also read in a different thread that you used to go by the moniker Muskeeto and if that's the case, my oga, I troway salute. (I doubt you'll even remember me).

What is your own story of creation, let's learn from this great foresight you are about to post, thanks in advance.

sonOfLucifer:
The days turned into weeks, and the weeks turned into months. It was the middle of Christmasless December, for the story of Christmas begins years later.
A particularly nasty harmattan wind was blowing through the garden, leaving dust and dry lips in its wake. Eve woke up early that morning and immediately proceeded to make Adam breakfast.
As she walked past the Forbidden Tree, the unexpected happened. One of the fruits dropped and rolled to her feet.

The serpent's advice resurfaced in her mind. She had never felt this way before. She cast a quick glance round her to make sure no one was looking, stooped to pick the fruit and dumped it in her basket.

Back at their open tent, Adam had just rolled out of stone.
'Morning Eve, I'm really hungry today. Must be that new style we tried out last night, huh' he said, slightly tapping Eve's wide ass. Eve chuckled and dropped the basket on the grass.
Adam noticed the new item on the menu.
'Eve baby, what fruit is this? Isn't this fruit from the Forbidden Tree?' asked Adam.
'Adamumu honey, yes it is. It dropped at my feet just as I was walking past it today. I thought it wouldn't hurt to try. Aren't you tired of eating pear and guava? Let's try something new honey'...
Such is the power of persuasion a woman possesses over her lover, that Adam didn't even think twice before sinking his teeth into it and passing it on to his wife.

And as sweet juice of the fruit touched their tongues and rolled down the back of their throats, their reasoning became complete and scales fell from their eyes.

'Eve, what the Bleep happened? I feel strange'
'Me too, honey'

And for the first time, humans felt shame upon seeing themselves naked. Through the power of reasoning which they had gained by eating from the Forbidden Tree, they devised an ingenuous solution: Tree-Wear.
Made of leaves and twigs, this classic designer 2-piece could be worn around the balls and pussy comfortably. They immediately sought a place to hide from God, for they knew that they'd done wrong and offended God.

In the evening, there was a whistling at the Gates of Eden. That was the signal that God was approaching and was in a good mood. And, yeah, he was in a pretty good mood today. Who'd have known gliding through blackholes was such an exhilarating experience.

'Kpon kpon, una dey house? Adam, Eve, where una dey, I don show o'
This was weird. Something must have gone wrong.
'Oh no, no no no they couldn't have' God's mind pounded as he called out to them..

'Yes, Lord' Adam said in a really low voice.
'What have you done Adam?'
'I heard your voice and I hid from you for I am naked?'

'Who told you you are naked? Did you eat from the Forbidden tree?'...

'No be me o. Na the woman wey you use my rib design. Na she carry am give me as I wake this morning'..

'Eve, is this true?'

'Na Snake cause am o.' said Eve, tears streaming down her cheeks.

God was sad. He was broken but not heart-broken. How could his orders be disobeyed? Who would dare do this to him? He was going to correct this immediately. He would show no weakness.

'Snake'

'Yes Papa'

'Show'

The snake bounced like a gangster towards the center of the garden where they were gathered. And God started dishing out curses like a loving God.

'Snake, for wetin you do, no more feet for you. Na belle you go use dey waka up and down. When man see you, im go kill you post picture for Nairaland. Idiot, you wan carry me play abi'
'Eve, your father yansh there, from today, to born pikin go hard you well well'
'Adam, for this nonsense wey you do, you see this ground. I don curse am join. Before you chop for this life, you go sweat tire. Thunder fire all of una. See as una dey treat me after I don take my time create una..'

'Ngwa, everybody pack una load commot this garden now now'

'Oga, even us?' tortoise asked, 'Wetin we do na?'

'Mscheew, before I count ten, make all of una commot from here'..

As the animals moved towards the gates of the garden, Angels Gabriel and Michael from Heaven Sector 1 division approached from the skies with flaming swords to guard the entrance and ensure that no one would ever step foot again into Man's first home.


END OF PART ONE.

Nothing in the Bible says or suggests that Adam and Eve's reasoning became complete after eating of the tree of knowledge of good and evil. They saw new stuff though, but it didn't help their reasoning. They did make themselves aprons, but it wasn't something or power gained by eating. It was simply a solution they devised to their new found predicament. They were maintaining Eden, remember? Today, we would need expatriates, world-class scientists, harvard and oxford horticulturists, power plants, dams, the bests of fertilizers and GMOs, millions of dollars to even mimic Edenic landscape and scenery, not to mention maintain, dress and keep.
Also, God was not in a good mood when Adam and Eve ate of the tree of knowledge of good and evil(Eve ate first BTW, another mistake on your part). That must have been a very sad and disappointing day from God to man, knowing all that would follow for the next thousands of years till hell fire. Man had failed the test, man had lost possession, the only hope was redemption. That is what made man's case different from or better than satan, no Jesus died for him on Calvary. If anybody was in a good mood, it was satan the old serpent, who would rather have man go down with him. God knew from the beginning that Adam will fail(that is a liitle bit hard to explain but that is the truth). God saw him fail, God is omnipresent and omniscient. God knew Adam and Eve and knew where they were. They were a disappointment because they had the ability to pass. It's like when you invest in a project, love a team, and expect it to do well and it doesn't. It broke His heart if we may so say, but He had a solution in Christ.
Gen 3:15 And I will put enmity between thee and the woman, and between thy seed and her seed; it shall bruise thy head, and thou shalt bruise his heel.

Jesus Christ, the seed of the woman not of the man, bruised the head of satan at calvary, and eternally continues to bruise him. satan also did his bit at calvary. We also do our bits by believing on the Saviour or not believing on the Saviour.

Was that the end of the story I was waiting for more I swear.

Nubian113:
Was that the end of the story I was waiting for more I swear.

Go through my profile.

Richirich713:


I don't get why anyone would even argue that there is nothing eternal and that it makes more sense that nothing created everything randomly.

I think I'm taking ur advice, I'm done repeating myself here.

Let me come in here to help you.

You see, the problem that hinders your thinking is the obsession with the word " created ".
This is your legacy from Sunday school, when you were forced-fed with magical thinking long before you began to articulate your own thoughts.

No atheist, no scientist tell you that any think was created. The laws of physics that operate throughout the universe teach us that it is " Processes" that involve electromagnetic energy that evolves the universe.

" Creation" simply connotes magic, pulling a rabbit( in this case, a universe) out of one's axss.

Acknowledge where you are coming from, and save yourself this unnecessary, illogical and silly rigmarolling.

You are thinking in magical terms.
The scientific community are thinking in rational terms.

Are you smart enough to spot the difference?

Richirich713:

I link cuz based on the evidence, it's the best and most logical explanation

Out of nothing comes nothing, eternity is necessary.

The problem is what is eternal? Low quantum energized particles? simpler elements or low frequency of energy? or a humanoid?

I'm really hope u not trying to say this universe came literally from "nothing", and hope u not saying that makes more sense.

For goodness sake nobody ever is arguing the universe came from nothing... That notion is always the fantasy you all swim in..

More over in physics "Nothing" means the lowest level of energy frequency..

No one said that, the only reason I say the eternal source must be intelligent is cuz of the DESIGN AND FINE TUNING of the universe.

It is always funny when people with no basic knowledge in astronomy come out to claim the universe full of random chaotic events is designed and fined tuned..

now lets see an example to your words: Point out to us the things that makes you think the universe is fine tuned and designed.. not just saying it

If the universe was not fine tune, I would have never said anything about intelligence cuz there would be no evidence for that.

Please this claim of fine tune is yet your delusion.. Nobody with a basic knowledge of astronomy will ever claim precision in the universe.

Please point out to us the fine tuning you know lets see how

The universe had a beginning, something cause the Big Bang.

Oh yes and in science that thing is a "Singularity" not a humanoid..

Either what cuz it did it intelligently or randomly.
But evidence points to intelligence.

Again, the events in the universe is one that spells randomness more than anything..

Now point out to us the things that made you say it is intelligent?

Richirich713:


I don't get why anyone would even argue that there is nothing eternal

Oh No right on the contrary. Nobody is really arguing whether something is eternal or not.. The question is "What?" as a subject of scientific enquiry.

When that thing becomes a conscious living humanoid (that somehow doesn't need to be designed also even though it is fine tuned)

has a golden mansion somewhere that is actually no where

has a son

created everything from nothing by talking to himself

loves the smell of burning flesh

loves the jews

is the creator of the whole vast universe but is concerned over mundane activities"

then this my good sir is chronic abject delusion speaking not a scientific thesis...A huge lie that is a relic of ancient primitive superstition and personification of natural values.

the universe like every other complex natural occurrence developed from simpler forms to more complex form with the interactions of these simpler value

and that it makes more sense that nothing created everything randomly.
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Again the word "Created" is not needed here and nobody is arguing "Nothing"

zzzzy:
an atheist believing in satan is absurd

good point.

sonOfLucifer:

Yay.

lol. this one has problems

plaetton:
Only a supernatural could inspire such poetry.


Though I am not sure how the Toothfairy fits into all of this.
But I am staying tuned.

easter bunny too. I wanna see where he comes in

chiedu7:

Ahh...he has an uncle. never knew there was internet in hell tho

blueyedgeek:
The story of creation as postulated by Christians really has a lot going for it, only thing is the people that wrote it didn't have great foresight. Talking snakes and donkeys, while intriguing are still things that should be left in a children fantasy book not a serious book that aims to explain the why and how of existence.

@op, your story is hilarious by the way although I'm not too sure of your own aim (are you giving your own account as inspired by Lucie or just narrating how the events actually happened. Either way, it's interesting).

I also read in a different thread that you used to go by the moniker Muskeeto and if that's the case, my oga, I troway salute. (I doubt you'll even remember me).

you even know lucifer on a short-form name basis... that's so cute. i wonder how he'll decide between you, hitler and saddam

blueyedgeek:
I lost interest in the Indian thingy some years back. I'll still send a mail though (who knows, maybe you have money you are not using that you can dash me for new year).

Please continue with the story of creation as inspired by Lucie.

ask lucie for new year money na..

oglalasioux:
Hilarious as it seems this post only shows how stupid 21st century man will be to believe such a fable as the creation story. Science has given us reputable answers to how the universe began, it's age and how the creatures on earth evolved. There is no doubt that the universe came from design but saying it is the creation story is pathetic.

you believe what you believe. why don't u let others believe what they will

chinnyonwu:
Haha.
This was a far more interesting read than the Bible's.

y'all could start a new religion and publish this as your book

blueyedgeek:
Create your own thread bro.

haha!!! #burn