hahahahahahahah... falls from bed....
hahahahahahahah... this must be the most stupidest dilemma I have come across...

op is one of the reasons children should be barred from using internet..

op first thing tomorrow.. go to ur pastor and confess ur sins and never search for atheist quotes again..

hahahahahahahah.

KingEbukasBlog:


And the OP should listen to someone whose signature is "Dating is about planning how to have sex" ? I'm not being sanctimonious but you are an atheist so that you can live freely and not feel that you are under God's law which involves not being promiscuous , abstaining from pre-marital sex and adultery .

This is the whole point of atheism. Unaccountability.

winner01:
This is the whole point of atheism. Unaccountability.

Wow that is such a very great argument. It makes so much sense that atheist will choose not to believe in God so they can avoid consequences.

Do you even know atheist choose not to believe in the police so they can rob banks.

Atheist choose not to believe in hiv and aids so they can
Sleep with women with no protection.


They choose not to believe in fraudulent websites so they don't get scammed.


They choose not to believe in the efcc so that they can steal as much as they want.

Wow it makes sooo much sense

Goahead:
I am totally remorseful for pasting these trash here in the first place, probably due to my less busy day.
Ishilove, Seun pls take this thread down.


A big thanks to all the Godly folks here.... I repent of my sins.

Luke 15:7
I tell you that in the same way there will
be more rejoicing in heaven over one
sinner who repents than over ninety-
nine righteous persons who do not need
to repent.

God strengthen you more.

ichommy:
@OP welcome to the League

hahn the OP need more help

Lol.

No one really needs help becoming atheist. Once you begin to question these fables that are, unfortunately, passed as truth it becomes a very straight forward journey

urahara:


Wow that is such a very great argument. It makes so much sense that atheist will choose not to believe in God so they can avoid consequences.

Do you even know atheist choose not to believe in the police so they can rob banks.

Atheist choose not to believe in hiv and aids so they can
Sleep with women with no protection.


They choose not to believe in fraudulent websites so they don't get scammed.


They choose not to believe in the efcc so that they can steal as much as they want.

Wow it makes sooo much sense

Sssh . When an elder fills you with sensible talk , you should take some time and reflect on it . Winner01 just spoke the truth and you are throwing tantrums like a petulant baby . Nwanne , wetin concern police and efcc here ?

KingEbukasBlog:




Assuming all the rich people , middle class will think of alleviating poverty by helping these people then quote me again . These children are victims of famine in times of war - mostly during Biafran war (black and white pics) - caused by man himself . Atheists pick these pics and edit them to spread their deception . How about feeding these kids instead of taking pictures of them and spreading lies . Atheism is falsehood . They are proud and happy these kids are suffering so that they can mock God . Again , I ask : What about helping these kids in mitigating their indigence instead of taking pics off the internet , editing them and ridiculing God .

What about people who are living well ? Why didn't the OP see that its God's doing ? But blames God when the few whom he has ordered the well-to-do to take care of are being neglected .

If we should spend more time and money helping the poor and not building warheads tanks and nuclear bombs which cost bilions of dollars used in destroying ourselves , living extra vagant lives - one man having ten mansions , 20 cars , 1,000 shoes etc - and showing love to another , you wont see the need for opening this poignant thread .

Matthew 25:35



Proverbs 19:17



Mark 12:30-31


Proverbs 22:9



Psalm 146:7


And the killer verse (also the love one another one is a hit )

Matthew 10:42


Help these poor little ones and stop taking pictures of them in your distasteful repugnant pathetic bid to mock God

God has passed these nice laws to man , how well is he abiding by them ?

If bad things happen to poor kids you quickly ask humans to come and help. And you blame it on humans. But when a good thing happens you blame it on God. Your God quickly comes and take the glory.
Even if atheist go and help those kids you will still say it was your God.
I remember how Nigerian worked hard to stop the spread of Ebola... Didn't you still say it was your Gods doing? Now let him do this himself for the first time. We want to see him take care of dying kids. Is that too much for him to do?

frank317:


If bad things happen to poor kids you quickly ask humans to come and help. And you blame it on humans. But when a good thing happens you blame it on God. Your God quickly comes and take the glory.
Even if atheist go and help those kids you will still say it was your God.
I remember how Nigerian worked hard to stop the spread of Ebola... Didn't you still say it was your Gods doing? Now let him do this himself for the first time. We want to see him take care of dying kids. Is that too much for him to do?

Let Him do it Himself ? I talked about Christ's eternal reign and man's peaceful eternal relationship with God in the new earth -no suffering , no sorrow - the other day and you called it fantasy . What do you want me to tell you now ? You sound confused - well that's what atheism gets you .

urahara:


Wow that is such a very great argument. It makes so much sense that atheist will choose not to believe in God so they can avoid consequences.

NO ONE avoids life's consequences, you can only choose to live in denial of its existence.

urahara:


Do you even know atheist choose not to believe in the police so they can rob banks.

Better put "Atheists wish there were no police men, so they can rob banks".

But come to think of it, people who rob banks don't think of God when they do such, they prefer to kill their conscience for that short moment.
Sounds like they become atheists for the few minutes of madness.

urahara:


Atheist choose not to believe in hiv and aids so they can
Sleep with women with no protection.

Why not put it like this; "Atheists wish there were no HIV so they can sleep with women with no protection"

urahara:


They choose not to believe in the efcc so that they can steal as much as they want.

Wow it makes sooo much sense

"They wish there were no efcc so they can steal as much as they want.

You see, ive put all your statements in the right phrase .

And I was talking about man's natural nature, not atheists. Seems to me like you are having a hard time with your conscience.

Well, like kingEbukasBlog have rightly said, you should take some time to reflect on the things you read.

KingEbukasBlog:


Let Him do it Himself ? I talked about Christ's eternal reign and man's peaceful eternal relationship with God in the new earth -no suffering , no sorrow - the other day and you called it fantasy . What do you want me to tell you now ? You sound confused - well that's what atheism gets you .

Oboy... No one is talking fantasy here. Let him do it himself. Let him be there for suffering kids the way he helped adeboye drive a car without fuel for more than 100km.
Dont use ur fantasy stories to make excuse for your God here.

frank317:


Oboy... No one is talking fantasy here. Let him do it himself. Let him be there for suffering kids the way he helped adeboye drive a car without fuel for more than 100km.
Dont use ur fantasy stories to make excuse for your God here.

You are confident and certain that He helped Pastor Adeboye ... right ?

Heh all these keep saying that we caused all our problems for ourselves, right?

How about Down's syndrome, SIDS, autism, ALS, epilepsy, cerebral palsy, conjoined twins, and the rest.

Religion stops making sense when you start thinking about it. Not by looking at a few memes.

KingEbukasBlog:


You are confident and certain that He helped Pastor Adeboye ... right ?

I have always known u were this foolish. Are u seriously asking my such a silly question.

I have always said it... Its people like winners that ways like your nonsensical comments that help in driving you into the verge of foolishness. If this question came from an honest heart... Then u must be an imbe.cile

Goahead:
N'lders, pls I need your candid opinions regarding this issue at hand....

I came across these on social media, though I'm a Christian, I believe God exists but my believe is some how deteriorating.....

"The primitive concept that makes you believe that an invincible magical man in the sky who watches over you is beyond stupidity."

Atheist is just a politically correct term for unbeliever. I confirm you are,

Goahead:
I am totally remorseful for pasting these trash here in the first place, probably due to my less busy day.
Ishilove, Seun pls take this thread down.


A big thanks to all the Godly folks here.... I repent of my sins.

If you are any remorseful, you can start by editing your posts and removing the images.

May I ask why you suddenly went on a spree? What prompted you to do this?

vooks:

If you are any remorseful, you can start by editing your posts and removing the images.

May I ask why you suddenly went on a spree? What prompted you to do this?

I've edited all the posts... Your question is pretty unnecessary, as I've already rebuked whatever that prompted me.

KingEbukasBlog:


Sssh . When an elder fills you with sensible talk , you should take some time and reflect on it . Winner01 just spoke the truth and you are throwing tantrums like a petulant baby . Nwanne , wetin concern police and efcc here ?

Silence you who believes absalom had hair weighing 2.3kg

KingEbukasBlog:


Sssh . When an elder fills you with sensible talk , you should take some time and reflect on it . Winner01 just spoke the truth and you are throwing tantrums like a petulant baby . Nwanne , wetin concern police and efcc here ?

Silence you who believes absalom had hair weighing 2.3kg

KingEbukasBlog:


Sssh . When an elder fills you with sensible talk , you should take some time and reflect on it . Winner01 just spoke the truth and you are throwing tantrums like a petulant baby . Nwanne , wetin concern police and efcc here ?

Silence you who believes absalom had hair weighing 2.3kg

winner01:
NO ONE avoids life's consequences, you can only choose to live in denial of its existence.

Better put "Atheists wish there were no police men, so they can rob banks".

But come to think of it, people who rob banks don't think of God when they do such, they prefer to kill their conscience for that short moment.
Sounds like they become atheists for the few minutes of madness.

Why not put it like this; "Atheists wish there were no HIV so they can sleep with women with no protection"

"They wish there were no efcc so they can steal as much as they want.

You see, ive put all your statements in the right phrase .

And I was talking about man's natural nature, not atheists. Seems to me like you are having a hard time with your conscience.

Well, like kingEbukasBlog have rightly said, you should take some time to reflect on the things you read.

You said I am having a hard time with my conscience well I am not even an atheist

Goahead listen to what I have to say. Saying God doesn't exist because of the problem of evil is an argument from lack of imagination. The problem of evil just proves that an omnipotent and omnibenevolent God doesn't exist. Let me ask you something do you really think God would send someone to hell for not believing in his incoherent self contradicting book called the Bible. And ask yourself why you don't believe in the other tens of thousands of gods. If I tell you I am God won't you demand for an exceptional evidence. Are u merely a believer because that is how your parents brought you up

urahara:
Goahead listen to what I have to say. Saying God doesn't exist because of the problem of evil is an argument from lack of imagination. The problem of evil just proves that an omnipotent and omnibenevolent God doesn't exist. Let me ask you something do you really think God would send someone to hell for not believing in his incoherent self contradicting book called the Bible. And ask yourself why you don't believe in the other tens of thousands of gods. If I tell you I am God won't you demand for an exceptional evidence. Are u merely a believer because that is how your parents brought you up

Because they are gods, unpar with the supernatural being above us.... The God of the Christians is omnibenevolent sir, he exudes his people with elixir that cure, miracles and love. Have you ever been to church?

Goahead:
Because they are gods, unpar with the supernatural being above us.... The God of the Christians is omnibenevolent sir, he exudes his people with elixir that cure, miracles and love. Have you ever been to church?

On his "omnibenevolence¥

He creates hell for the disbelievers.
Isaiah 45 vs 7 I form the light, and create darkness: I make peace, and
create evil: I the LORD do all these things


He says it himself that he creates evil.


– Touching the Ark of the Covenant (1 Chronicles 13:9-10). This is the other example that critics use
to slam the Biblical God. The Israelites, led by King David, are transporting the Ark of the Covenant. The
oxen stumble, and Uzzah tries to steady the Ark. For his trouble, God kills him. Now, I’ve heard many
reasons why this happened. Maybe God was using Uzzah as an example that the Ark was not just an
inert piece of metal like you’d find in the other regional religions. Or maybe Uzzah died of a heart attack
from the shock that he’d laid his hand on the Ark of the Covenant. Anyway, King David gave Uzzah his
due by naming the place after him (“Perez Uzzah”). I know it means “outbreak against Uzzah,” but if you
had to die in the service of the Lord for simply touching something, you gotta take anything you can get,
y’know?

NU 25:9 24,000 people die in a plague from
the Lord.
NU 31:9 The Israelites capture Midianite
women and children.
NU 31:17-18 Moses, following the Lord's
command, orders the Israelites to kill all
the Midianite male children and "... every
woman who has known man ...." (Note:
How would it be determined which women
had known men? One can only speculate.)

DT 7:2 The Lord commands the Israelites
to "utterly destroy" and show "no mercy" to
those whom he gives them for defeat.

EZ 21:3-4 The Lord says that he will cut off
both the righteous and the wicked that his
sword shall go against all flesh.


1KI 13:15-24 A man is killed by a lion for
eating bread and drinking water in a place
where the Lord had previously told him not
to. This is in spite of the fact that the man
had subsequently been lied to by a prophet
who told the man that an angel of the Lord
said that it would be alright to eat and drink
there.




On the issue of miracles my brother even Mary is said to work wonders


https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Our_Lady_of_Guadalupe



https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Miraculous_Medal

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Our_Lady_of_Lourdes

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Marian_apparition

So by using your argument Mary is truly the Queen of heaven because of her using her elixir that cure.


Pagans also cure thee sick. And yes I've been to church thousands of times

urahara:
Goahead listen to what I have to say. Saying God doesn't exist because of the problem of evil is an argument from lack of imagination. The problem of evil just proves that an omnipotent and omnibenevolent God doesn't exist. Let me ask you something do you really think God would send someone to hell for not believing in his incoherent self contradicting book called the Bible. And ask yourself why you don't believe in the other tens of thousands of gods. If I tell you I am God won't you demand for an exceptional evidence. Are u merely a believer because that is how your parents brought you up

the problem is you, if you know the purpose of this universe, you will not say such things.

The universe was not created to be good. God created the universe as a temporary place to prepared His creatures for a perfect universe,God is good, but He has allowed His creatures free-will to do whatever they want within their limited ability. God has designed the universe to operate under a set of physical principles.
The purpose of the universe is to allow God's creatures the choice to love Him. Love is not possible without free-will. Therefore God chooses to allow His creatures the ability to do evil for the purpose of permitting them also to love. If God controlled everything we did, we could not demonstrate love, since we would be pre-programmed to respond. A computer cannot love, but free-will beings can.

Neither pain nor death is evil from a Christian perspective. For example, pain is a necessary function in our lives. If we could not feel pain, we would end up causing serious damage to ourselves. Whenever I get burned,I move my hand rapidly away from the source of the pain. If I had no pain receptors, I would probably continue to burn my hand until I noticed the smoke. This would obviously not be a good thing to do. Likewise,death is required in a universe governed by entropy.

malvisguy212:
the problem is you, if you know the purpose of this universe, you will not say such things.

The universe was not created to be good. God created the universe as a temporary place to prepared His creatures for a perfect universe,God is good, but He has allowed His creatures free-will to do whatever they want within their limited ability. God has designed the universe to operate under a set of physical principles.
The purpose of the universe is to allow God's creatures the choice to love Him. Love is not possible without free-will. Therefore God chooses to allow His creatures the ability to do evil for the purpose of permitting them also to love. If God controlled everything we did, we could not demonstrate love, since we would be pre-programmed to respond. A computer cannot love, but free-will beings can.

Neither pain nor death is evil from a Christian perspective. For example, pain is a necessary function in our lives. If we could not feel pain, we would end up causing serious damage to ourselves. Whenever I get burned,I move my hand rapidly away from the source of the pain. If I had no pain receptors, I would probably continue to burn my hand until I noticed the smoke. This would obviously not be a good thing to do. Likewise,death is required in a universe governed by entropy.

Isiah 45 vs 7

"I form the light, and create darkness: I
make peace, and create evil: I the LORD do all these
things.

urahara:


On his "omnibenevolence¥

He creates hell for the disbelievers.
Isaiah 45 vs 7 I form the light, and create darkness: I make peace, and
create evil: I the LORD do all these things


He says it himself that he creates evil.


– Touching the Ark of the Covenant (1 Chronicles 13:9-10). This is the other example that critics use
to slam the Biblical God. The Israelites, led by King David, are transporting the Ark of the Covenant. The
oxen stumble, and Uzzah tries to steady the Ark. For his trouble, God kills him. Now, I’ve heard many
reasons why this happened. Maybe God was using Uzzah as an example that the Ark was not just an
inert piece of metal like you’d find in the other regional religions. Or maybe Uzzah died of a heart attack
from the shock that he’d laid his hand on the Ark of the Covenant. Anyway, King David gave Uzzah his
due by naming the place after him (“Perez Uzzah”). I know it means “outbreak against Uzzah,” but if you
had to die in the service of the Lord for simply touching something, you gotta take anything you can get,
y’know?

NU 25:9 24,000 people die in a plague from
the Lord.
NU 31:9 The Israelites capture Midianite
women and children.
NU 31:17-18 Moses, following the Lord's
command, orders the Israelites to kill all
the Midianite male children and "... every
woman who has known man ...." (Note:
How would it be determined which women
had known men? One can only speculate.)

DT 7:2 The Lord commands the Israelites
to "utterly destroy" and show "no mercy" to
those whom he gives them for defeat.

EZ 21:3-4 The Lord says that he will cut off
both the righteous and the wicked that his
sword shall go against all flesh.


1KI 13:15-24 A man is killed by a lion for
eating bread and drinking water in a place
where the Lord had previously told him not
to. This is in spite of the fact that the man
had subsequently been lied to by a prophet
who told the man that an angel of the Lord
said that it would be alright to eat and drink
there.

1. Is evil a 'thing' that we can create ? Can you feel ,smell and touch evil ? God created the heaven and earth and everything in it, God call everything he create Good, God also gave man the choice to chose, anything man chose that is in contradictory to what God created is evil, this mean God allowed evil to happened. The translation you use is OLD king James version.
2. The man who was eaten by lion, the man was even a prophet, ( God's children) read the whole story, he disobey God.

urahara:


Isiah 45 vs 7
"I form the light, and create darkness: I make peace, and create evil: I the LORD do all these things.

1. Is evil a 'thing' that we can create ? Can you feel ,smell and touch evil ? God created the heaven and earth and everything in it, God call everything he create Good, God also gave man the choice to chose, anything man chose that is in contradictory to what God created is evil, this mean God allowed evil to happened. The translation you use is OLD king James version. https://www.nairaland.com/2035915/did-god-create-evil-does

krattoss:
abeg reason my matter.

I need those eBooks..

seankafor. od@gmail.com.

What you need is an injection. Your case is different

malvisguy212:
the problem is you, if you know the purpose of this universe, you will not say such things.

The universe was not created to be good. God created the universe as a temporary place to prepared His creatures for a perfect universe,God is good, but He has allowed His creatures free-will to do whatever they want within their limited ability. God has designed the universe to operate under a set of physical principles.
The purpose of the universe is to allow God's creatures the choice to love Him. Love is not possible without free-will. Therefore God chooses to allow His creatures the ability to do evil for the purpose of permitting them also to love. If God controlled everything we did, we could not demonstrate love, since we would be pre-programmed to respond. A computer cannot love, but free-will beings can.

Neither pain nor death is evil from a Christian perspective. For example, pain is a necessary function in our lives. If we could not feel pain, we would end up causing serious damage to ourselves. Whenever I get burned,I move my hand rapidly away from the source of the pain. If I had no pain receptors, I would probably continue to burn my hand until I noticed the smoke. This would obviously not be a good thing to do. Likewise,death is required in a universe governed by entropy.

Free will ekwa

Rom 9:18 So then he has mercy on whomever he wills,
and he hardens whomever he wills.


Psa 139:16 You saw me before I was born. Every day of
my life was recorded in your book. Every moment was laid
out before a single day had passed .


Rom 9:10 And not only so, but also when Rebekah had
conceived children by one man, our forefather Isaac,
Rom 9:11 though they were not yet born and had done
nothing either good or bad--in order that God's purpose of
election might continue, not because of works but
because of him who calls --
Rom 9:12 she was told, "The older will serve the younger."
Rom 9:13 As it is written, "Jacob I loved, but Esau I
hated."
Rom 9:14 What shall we say then? Is there injustice on
God's part? By no means!
Rom 9:15 For he says to Moses, "I will have mercy on
whom I have mercy, and I will have compassion on whom
I have compassion."
Rom 9:16 So then it depends not on human will or
exertion, but on God, who has mercy .
Rom 9:17 For the Scripture says to Pharaoh, "For this very
purpose I have raised you up, that I might show my power
in you, and that my name might be proclaimed in all the
earth."
Rom 9:18 So then he has mercy on whomever he wills,
and he hardens whomever he wills. (i wonder why some
fools here mock Allah because of this.)
Rom 9:19 You will say to me then, "Why does he still find
fault? For who can resist his will?"
Rom 9:20 But who are you, O man, to answer back to
God? Will what is molded say to its molder, "Why have
you made me like this?"
Rom 9:21 Has the potter no right over the clay, to make
out of the same lump one vessel for honorable use and
another for dishonorable use?
Rom 9:22 What if God, desiring to show his wrath and to
make known his power, has endured with much patience
vessels of wrath prepared for destruction,
Rom 9:23 in order to make known the riches of his glory
for vessels of mercy, which he has prepared beforehand
for glory



A woman who is raped is raped against her free will


Rom 8:29 For those whom he foreknew he also
predestined to be conformed to the image of his Son , in
order that he might be the firstborn among many brothers.
Rom 8:30 And those whom he predestined he also called,
and those whom he called he also justified, and those
whom he justified he also glorified.

How can there be free will when he has predestined everything.

Joh 6:65 And he said, "This is why I told you that no one
can come to me unless it is granted him by the Father ."

Rom 9:18 So then he has mercy on whomever he wills,
and he hardens whomever he wills.

Rom 8:29 For those whom he foreknew he also
predestined to be conformed to the image of his Son,
in order that he might be the firstborn among many
brothers.
Rom 8:30 And those whom he predestined he also
called, and those whom he called he also justified, and
those whom he justified he also glorified.
Rom 9:16 So then it depends not on human will or
exertion, but on God, who has mercy
Rom 9:18 So then he has mercy on whomever he wills,
and he hardens whomever he wills.
Rom 9:21 Has the potter no right over the clay, to make
out of the same lump one vessel for honorable use and
another for dishonorable use?



Eph 1:11 In him we have obtained an inheritance,
having been predestined according to the purpose of
him who works all things according to the counsel of
his will

hahn:

What you need is an injection. Your case is different

how?

malvisguy212:

1. Is evil a 'thing' that we can create ? Can you feel ,smell and touch evil ? God created the heaven and earth and everything in it, God call everything he create Good, God also gave man the choice to chose, anything man chose that is in contradictory to what God created is evil, this mean God allowed evil to happened. The translation you use is OLD king James version.
2. The man who was eaten by lion, the man was even a prophet, ( God's children) read the whole story, he disobey God.

He disobeyed because he was tricked. And so a God who is all loving sent him a lion that rips him to shreds. lovely. To show him how merciful he is.

urahara:


Free will ekwa

Rom 9:18 So then he has mercy on whomever he wills,
and he hardens whomever he wills.


Psa 139:16 You saw me before I was born. Every day of
my life was recorded in your book. Every moment was laid
out before a single day had passed .


Rom 9:10 And not only so, but also when Rebekah had
conceived children by one man, our forefather Isaac,
Rom 9:11 though they were not yet born and had done
nothing either good or bad--in order that God's purpose of
election might continue, not because of works but
because of him who calls --
Rom 9:12 she was told, "The older will serve the younger."
Rom 9:13 As it is written, "Jacob I loved, but Esau I
hated."
Rom 9:14 What shall we say then? Is there injustice on
God's part? By no means!
Rom 9:15 For he says to Moses, "I will have mercy on
whom I have mercy, and I will have compassion on whom
I have compassion."
Rom 9:16 So then it depends not on human will or
exertion, but on God, who has mercy .
Rom 9:17 For the Scripture says to Pharaoh, "For this very
purpose I have raised you up, that I might show my power
in you, and that my name might be proclaimed in all the
earth."
Rom 9:18 So then he has mercy on whomever he wills,
and he hardens whomever he wills. (i wonder why some
fools here mock Allah because of this.)
Rom 9:19 You will say to me then, "Why does he still find
fault? For who can resist his will?"
Rom 9:20 But who are you, O man, to answer back to
God? Will what is molded say to its molder, "Why have
you made me like this?"
Rom 9:21 Has the potter no right over the clay, to make
out of the same lump one vessel for honorable use and
another for dishonorable use?
Rom 9:22 What if God, desiring to show his wrath and to
make known his power, has endured with much patience
vessels of wrath prepared for destruction,
Rom 9:23 in order to make known the riches of his glory
for vessels of mercy, which he has prepared beforehand
for glory



A woman who is raped is raped against her free will


Rom 8:29 For those whom he foreknew he also
predestined to be conformed to the image of his Son , in
order that he might be the firstborn among many brothers.
Rom 8:30 And those whom he predestined he also called,
and those whom he called he also justified, and those
whom he justified he also glorified.

How can there be free will when he has predestined everything.

Joh 6:65 And he said, "This is why I told you that no one
can come to me unless it is granted him by the Father ."

Rom 9:18 So then he has mercy on whomever he wills,
and he hardens whomever he wills.

if you want mature argument, do not just go and copy and paste random verses to proved me wrong, you will have to provide in details, why this verses say freewill is wrong. But I will say one thing here.

God predistine the CHARACTER and not the IDENTY.

krattoss:
how?

Even the gods don't know. All 4,000 of them