Sarassin:

I do not see that there is any God who created the world. It is the religionists who would personify God to suit their purpose. I certainly experience a quality of godliness in existence, but it is a quality, not a person. It is more like love, more like silence, more like joy – less like a person. You are never going to meet God and say hello how are you? I have been looking for you for thousands of years; where have you been hiding?

God is not a person but only a presence.

And when I say "presence," one must be careful, because you can go on listening according to your own conditioning. You can even make "presence" something objective – you would have fallen into the same trap. God is a presence at the innermost core of your being: it is your own presence. It is not a meeting with somebody else.

Sarassin:

I do not see that there is any God who created the world. It is the religionists who would personify God to suit their purpose. I certainly experience a quality of godliness in existence, but it is a quality, not a person. It is more like love, more like silence, more like joy – less like a person. You are never going to meet God and say hello how are you? I have been looking for you for thousands of years; where have you been hiding?

God is not a person but only a presence.

And when I say "presence," one must be careful, because you can go on listening according to your own conditioning. You can even make "presence" something objective – you would have fallen into the same trap. God is a presence at the innermost core of your being: it is your own presence. It is not a meeting with somebody else.

1feness:
The God nature becomes of itself after death. Some DNA strands ain't active when we are in a human body.

Scholar8200:
Explain the highlighted further.

1feness:


I meant a soul(god) has no interference,basically becomes expanded to the max of its potentials after death. The soul becomes unlimited and has no barrier.

Scholar8200:
Per the highlighted, what happens to that 'presence' after death?

Scholar8200:
And where was that god before birth?

1feness:


Experiencing other realities.

Sarassin:


One is no longer cognizant after death.

1feness:
The God nature becomes of itself after death. Some DNA strands ain't active when we are in a human body.

Scholar8200:
How did you know this?

Scholar8200:
Do you agree with the quote below?

1feness:


Knowledge

johnydon22:
And we should take this one more serious than the assertions of most religious books?

This is not any different from same religious claims you chastise you know because this has no more empirical back up than them.

and can be classified as a result of wishful thinking

Gayjesus:


I think 1feness is more into Methaphysics and there are many more explanations than he is giving. Dimensions, Consciousness, stargates stuff are really advance knowledge many people can't really phantom. They ain't meant for everyone.

johnydon22:
[font=Lucida Console] And we should take this one more serious than the assertions of most religious books?

I am always against your claim ifeness.

This is not any different from same religious claims you chastise you know because this has no more empirical back up than them.

and can be classified as a result of wishful thinking [font]

johnydon22:
And we should take this one more serious than the assertions of most religious books?

This is not any different from same religious claims you chastise you know because this has no more empirical back up than them.

and can be classified as a result of wishful thinking

1feness:
Anyone can be against me, I am not bothered at all, all I see is beauty in everyone.



Your religion is not organized, so that is why you are fighting each other.
Am not surprised though.



No judgment.

1feness:


I find my clues in reading the same books everyone does. My understanding of religious books is that they all actually contain ancient science. I just don't see them as books to worship but books to find clues.

I think all religious books like the Vedas holds lots of secret knowledge. I do like to compare stories too. Be it Africana, Europeans, Asian, they tell us a lot. That is why I think book burning is a great crime to commit.

I buy more books than shoes these days. I am only sharing my knowledge, I usually don't talk about them.

Sarassin:


It was St. Jerome who wrote that "The most difficult and most obscure of all the sacred books, Genesis, contains as many secrets as words, and each word conceals several others" Christians are completely oblivious of the nuances of ancient Jewish writings. Even at that, because of the selective nature of the Bible it bears no comparison to the Vedas for instance, in fact the Vedas is everything the Bible aspires to, spiritually and figuratively. The ancients wrote in a descriptive language for their times, Mankind has lost the art to interprete.

1feness:


I find my clues in reading the same books everyone does. My understanding of religious books is that they all actually contain ancient science. I just don't see them as books to worship but books to find clues.

I think all religious books like the Vedas holds lots of secret knowledge. I do like to compare stories too. Be it Africana, Europeans, Asian, they tell us a lot. That is why I think book burning is a great crime to commit.

I buy more books than shoes these days. I am only sharing my knowledge, I usually don't talk about them.

Sarassin:

I do not see that there is any God who created the world. It is the religionists who would personify God to suit their purpose. I certainly experience a quality of godliness in existence, but it is a quality, not a person. It is more like love, more like silence, more like joy – less like a person. You are never going to meet God and say hello how are you? I have been looking for you for thousands of years; where have you been hiding?

God is not a person but only a presence.

And when I say "presence," one must be careful, because you can go on listening according to your own conditioning. You can even make "presence" something objective – you would have fallen into the same trap. God is a presence at the innermost core of your being: it is your own presence. It is not a meeting with somebody else.

PastorAIO:

Please can you explain more by what you mean by this 'presence'.

I feel presences all the time. But I wouldn't call them God. Sometimes I feel a presence behind me and I turn around to find my sister approaching me. Or I might feel a presence, turn around and find nobody there. Maybe that is a discarnate presence.

Then sometimes I might walk into a room and feel a particular persons presence only for it to be confirmed that the person had just left 5 minutes before.

However jumping to the conclusion that felt presences are God is a bit too much of a jump for me.

Can you give us a succinct definition of God, or Divinity?

Sarassin:


Hi PastorAIO, I cannot presume to give a definition of God or Divinity, the Divine would be different things to different people, however from my previous post that you referred to, you would see that I wrote about being careful not to make the felt "presence" an objective one, you seem to have inadvertently done so. My premise is that one encounters the Divine in one's own innermost being.

PastorAIO:

I get you a little clearer now. However you must admit that there are a variety of subjective experiences and to accord names and terms to them it will be necessary to distinguish them from each other and to do so would require some sort of criteria (if not a definition). So what are the criteria that a subjective experience must have before you would call it a Godly experience?

Sarassin:


We are always looking for the "smoking gun" but one can find the Divine God only in the innermost space.

If one seeks God, the moment you “Seek”, then what you “Seek” becomes a part of your world, because “Seeking” is of the world. Therefore there are techniques to experience the Divine God but there are no intellectual understandings.

All the great teachers have had a realization of this inner space. Because of the experience of that moment when the inner space is known, one is liable to go mad. Some will proclaim themselves God. And this realization is so certain that even if you kill the man he will not change his statement because really, you cannot kill him as far as he is concerned now he has become whole.

Christianity says “God is Love” Tantra teaches “God IS Love” yet Love cannot be expressed, how then can you fully express God or the Divine, One cannot, you can but experience God.

PastorAIO:


I express Love all the time. I experience Love too.

Let me ask another way. You say that I can experience God. Would you also say that I can experience numerous other things too?

In that case, how would I distinguish the experience of God from the experience of other things?

Sarassin:
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