ProfShymex:


Stop it, Enahi. Yoruba history is very straight-forward and interesting. You lot are our distant cousins, hence Yorubas and binis never fought any wars despite living side by side. It's a symbiotic relationship without respect but the bini crown is a Yoruba crown.

You can be proud of ya heritage without disrespecting Yorubas. Regardless, I don't blame ya king - I blame the Egba king for trying to cause unnecessary trouble.

SirShymexx I see you now have many monikers on nairaland.
We aren't your distant cousins and if there was ever anything like that was in the past.

Yoruba history might be interesting to you but it's not to me and again I don't want to argue with you because you are my nairaland friend.

Much love from me to you.

ProfShymex:


Lol.

No comment.

lol... I think Shagamu was the town proposed to be the original capital of Ogun state.
But political wonders worked it to Abeokuta, maybe because it was the biggest town... Abeokuta that was a town of refugees of war like Ibadan.

ProfShymex:


Lol.

No comment.

Ejemehn:



Binis are not yorubas. They have never been and will never be. If Cuba and Brazil are claiming Yoruba, so be it. But Edos are not Yoruba. They have never begged to be part of Yoruba nation and will never be.

i served in Benin and was surprised at d many Yoruba cultures they have, they serve all d Yoruba idol such as Ogun, sango and even bear Yoruba names, also from reading d book ovoranwen nogbaisi in sec school it is obvious dat d Benin's were under d Yoruba empire den, oba in Yoruba actually means king and we have several adaga and songs to prove dat, we say a person has joba when a new king is crowned, its just like saying women instead of mentioning individual s name. Yoruba's are in other nations of the world such ad Benin republic and they describe a king as oba instead of calling their specific name, talk of a wanna be claiming the original.

Tunami:
they should go to hell, we don't even need them in yoruba land, even people that are in faraway Cuba, Venezuela, Brasil etc. Are even happy to be called yorubas talkless them. Abegi. Iranu abasha, shiooor.

Bastard son of a thousand miscreants.

YonkijiSappo:


Read for yourself..... small Bini girl.

[size=14pt]Heads of Former Benin Monarchs Were Actually Buried in Ile- Ife, Says Prince Isede[/size]


http://allafrica.com/stories/200405100888.html

There you have it folks...... actual history corroborated by a true son of an Ogiso... Not all these modern born Benin history twisters that know nothing of their actual past.

I was enjoying this argument until you brought this lame crap as corroboration. If the Obas succeeded the Ogiso dynasty (because of progenitor issues), and Oba Erediauwa is the 38th oba of Benin, how possible is it for a grandson (even if it's great grandson sef) of the last ogiso who died without any heir (several centuries ago for that matter) to be a deputy chairman in Delta State that was created in 1991?

This is why I'm more inclined to follow the Bini account. It's more realistic, trustworthy and logical.

Both cultures originated independent of each other, but they definitely influenced each other at some point.

ayodara77:


i served in Benin and was surprised at d many Yoruba cultures they have, they serve all d Yoruba idol such as Ogun, sango and even bear Yoruba names, also from reading d book ovoranwen nogbaisi in sec school it is obvious dat d Benin's were under d Yoruba empire den, oba in Yoruba actually means king and we have several adaga and songs to prove dat, we say a person has joba when a new king is crowned, its just like saying women instead of mentioning individual s name. Yoruba's are in other nations of the world such ad Benin republic and they describe a king as oba instead of calling their specific name, talk of a wanna be claiming the original.

U are a fool at 30,were u born then ozuo, what makes u think that those idols are youruba pls say what u know

forgiveness:


In fact, i was very disappointed in him. How, can't he understand that Oni was just trying to unit the Yorubas eh?

Well, i don't blame him i blame those who made Abeokuta the capital. Maybe that deceived him to believe he is higher in hierarchy than Awujale.

This is the case.Were it not for Obj who used his influence as the then second in command and took the capital to Abeokuta,Alake shouldn't be spewing unnecessary speech by now.

Does he think it's by capital location?Ibadan has been the capital of oyo sate for many years, how many chiefs there have come out saying they are superior to Oyo?

gcode123:
But in yoruba, oba is the word for king not their title.
Alake of Egbaland
Awujale ijebu
Etc.

uar very right. Daz y u hear somtin like Ooni of Ife, Oba .....(D name follows), Alake of Egbaland, Oba.... And so on n so forth. Just forget abt d stewpid benin chiefs

orlaryemy:
Common sense should be a judge here; How can Oduduwa that arived in Ile-ife in 8th century be same as the prince that left in Bini in 12th century.

For those who are claiming that Oduduwa fell from the skye, it is far from truth, the only person yoruba believed to have descended from heaven directly was Orunmila, if you care to know more about him you could do some research.That chief in Benin doesn`t what he is saying.

Help me answer these simply questions. How Ooni has been coronated from 8th century till date and give me their names.

Let's start from here.

aribisala0:
Did you comprehend what you read? I doubt it ....
Go back and read again because you have written nonsense. With Respect!!

There's nothing to go back and read cos you always contradict yourself in ya posts. Thus making them counter-intuitive. You alluded to matters politically and I compared it to another clime. Isn't Milan the most "relevant politically" in Italy today as the capital of the country? But would any sane person rate Milan ahead of Rome in Italy.

Now, back to Yorubaland. Lagos and Ibadan are the two most politically relevant cities in Yorubaland today. However, the Oba of Eko doesn't even have any jurisdiction over Lagos (the state). He's more like the Oba of Awori cos an Awori king can never preside over Ijebu/Ogu kings. So he's not even superior to the Ayanbguren of Ikorodu, Elepe of Epe, and Oba of Badagry (even the Oniru and Elegushi won't concede superiority to him). And would you put both Ayanbguren and Elepe over Awujale since both are Ijebu kings? Then the Ibadan king isn't a proper king.

So the question is: why make your argument about the most relevant cities today and not based on historical facts? Obviously, that shows you don't know what you're talking about.

Ejemehn:





Stop that. Who told you that Benin is a migrant groupto edo land? Where did you get that from? Ogiso dynasty rule ended as a result of power tussle between a crown prince of the ogiso dynasty and his young uncle leading to war. That war caused the ogiso dynasty the throne. Oranmiyan came to rule but could not and went back to oyo before going back to ife. Can you please tell me how this whole power shift turned the edos into yorubas? I agree ooni is ranked number 1 but in yoruba land, and among the yoruba monarchs. Benin should not be included as part of that.

So, na u wan change history ba? Ok, name d 7 children of Okanbi then I wl tel u wat u dnt know or wat u pretend nt to knw

The day anyone in Oba of Benin's palace can answer these questions, I will take them serious:

1. Why were you taking permission for installation of your kings from Ife, up till the 20th century.

2. Why were you burying you dead kings in Ife, even up till the 20th century.

3. What is the name of the father of Eweka I.

4. What was the name of the dynasty that went into extinction before Eweka dynasty started.

5. When did the following words sneaked into your lexicon - Oba, Benin.

6. Why are you worshipping the Yoruba deities despite the fact that they have no link to your place eg Olokumi, Ogun Osun, Sango and even Ifa.

7. Why was Yoruba language the official language of the palace until recently.

8. As powerful as Oyo Empire and Benin Kingdom were, why was there no attempt by any to conquer the other?

Let me stop here for now.

I will take the drunk Chief serious when the Oba of Benin is bold enough to utter same, when he knows the ancestral curse he will be placing on himself and lineage.


At least one Yoruba Oba was bold enough to voice who Oba of Benin is, he should be man enough to utter the contrary himself, if he can.

Oba means King and the Yoruba nation being a nation of many kingdom, hence the title for the kings eg Alaafin, Alake, Olubadan etc.

What is the meaning of Omo 'N' Oba?

Mi o r'aye oshi jare.

Super1Star:
The day anyone in Oba of Benin's palace can answer these questions, I will take them serious:

1. Why were you taking permission for installation of your kings from Ife, up till the 20th century.

2. Why were you burying you dead kings in Ife, even up till the 20th century.

3. What is the name of the father of Eweka I.

4. What was the name of the dynasty that went into extinction before Eweka dynasty started.

5. When did the following words sneaked into your lexicon - Oba, Benin.

6. Why are you worshipping the Yoruba deities despite the fact that they have no link to your place eg Olokumi, Ogun Osun, Sango and even Ifa.

7. Why was Yoruba language the official language of the palace until recently.

Let me stop here for now.

I will take the drunk Chief serious when the Oba of Benin is bold enough to utter same, when he knows the ancestral curse he will be placing on himself and lineage.


At least one Yoruba Oba was bold enough to voice who Oba of Benin, he should be man enough to utter the contrary himself, if he can.

Mi o r'aye oshi jare.

mulattoclaro , spanishkid

absoluteSuccess:

Great,
Please what does omo stand for in Edo language?

Omo as obvious as it sound means CHILD in Edo language!

Lemon12:
mulattoclaro , spanishkid

Also call the Oba of Benin himself.

He should answer those questions and then we shall take him serious.

His kangaroo chiefs are too little to dabble into such historical questions. Come to think of it, the Chief could have been from the lineage of the Ogiso dynasty that is merely rubbishing the Oranmiyan lineage of the present king.

scholes0:


lol... I think Shagamu was the town proposed to be the original capital of Ogun state.
But political wonders worked it to Abeokuta, maybe because it was the biggest town... Abeokuta that was a town of refugees of war like Ibadan.

Lo. Egbas are warriors - no doubt. But they need to allow it. Even Egba sons visit the Awujale before their own kings. We just saw the prominent Egba sons and Buhari travel to the Awujale's palace, but none went to Egba. Even Tinubu put the Awujale up there ahead of them.

Anyway, which of the four Egba kings is superior? I'd wager that Olowu of Owu should be number one cos Owu's Oduduwa's first son (I hope I'm right) and Owu folks are warriors - they made Egba tick.

Oahray:
I was enjoying this argument until you brought this lame crap as corroboration. If the Obas succeeded the Ogiso dynasty (because of progenitor issues), and Oba Erediauwa is the 38th oba of Benin, how possible is it for a grandson (even if it's great grandson sef) of the last ogiso who died without any heir (several centuries ago for that matter) to be a deputy chairman in Delta State that was created in 1991?

This is why I'm more inclined to follow the Bini account. It's more realistic, trustworthy and logical.

Both cultures originated independent of each other, but they definitely influenced each other at some point.

You are missing the point.
The main element of the article is what the prince Esode said. And which has also been corroborated by even more people.
Unfortunately pride, will not allow the Binis accept the truth.

mart2k:
Uar speaking my language, u named ur children in my language n uar here saying uar not part of Yoruba. Ar u insane?

They are not part of yorubas as a people. They have been as a distinct people from time immemorial.

However, their throne anfd crown is our throne because that thrown carries our DNA.

Atlantian:


For reference purpose, I will like to re-post my earlier assertion, I did not mention igbo in my analogy, neither am I Igbo, I am also not Freeglobe. My earlier post is from historical records including wkipaedia if you are interested in emotionless research. Please note that I do not like to be any other tribe apart from my presdent tribe which is not igbo anyway, I do not think Yorubas are a superior tribe to the Bini people, I do not always think that Binis have anything to gain my making the assetion. It is for education purpose only.

I have studied both cultures when there was a controversy about Lagos being a "No man's land", in actuality, I realised from historical records that in 1630s, the Benin people used to travel from Benin to Togo via Badagry. It was the Benin People that gave the name Eko, which means "Camp" in Bini language. The Benin people usually settled here in Lagos. It was on one of those trips that they met Ile-Ife fishermen on the coast of Eko and they fought and defeated the Ile-Ife fishermen and few Benin people settled in Eko and few scattered population of Ile-Ife people always settled for fishing.

When the Portugese came for exploration, the named Eko, which in Bini means camp, they name it Lagos, which means "Lake" in Portugese.

I think the Benin people have a very detailed history and this Oba issue will bring to light that Benin Monarchy is totally the precursor of the Eko, and what ever the disclosure will be, both tribes will take it in good faith. No tribe is superior, its just language that is different.

Yinmu. You are a shameless igbo lout. Have a little bit of igbo pride for goodness sake. THis your Lagos obsession will only end in heartbreak for you coz you will struggle to get greencard by the time you all are deported back to Biafra. I pity your life.

All of us na six feet with or without heads. Non of the Obas can replace a strand of hair if uprooted, from dust we come and dust we shall go back.

Enahi:

SirShymexx I see you now have many monikers on nairaland.
We aren't your distant cousins and if there was ever anything like that was in the past.

Yoruba history might be interesting to you but it's not to me and again I don't want to argue with you because you are my nairaland friend.

Much love from me to you.

Blame snitches. Anyway, I created this one for our now extinct commonwealth thread due to spambot. Shyte, I'm just a consistent offender.

Anyway, Binis and Yorubas are cousins united by Oduduwa's crown, though the people/language are distinct - hence the two groups never went to war. Oyo would've taken the war to Bini if both groups weren't somewhat related cos Oyo was mighty when it reigned supreme. Conversely, Bini would've done the same. Let's just continue the mutual respect and stop the unhealthy revisionism since both groups birthed Itsekiris - our offspring.

nisai:
This is the case.Were it not for Obj who used his influence as the then second in command and took the capital to Abeokuta,Alake shouldn't be spewing unnecessary speech by now.

Does he think it's by capital location?Ibadan has been the capital of oyo sate for many years, how many chiefs there have come out saying they are superior to Oyo?

Of course, that is what he is insinuating. However, we all know the place of Egba in yoruba history.

Egba wey never fit defeat Iperu town....

Make i no talk before i course another disunity among Yorubas.

YonkijiSappo:


Stop lying, Benin Empire never reached Dahomey, Only Oyo Empire did.
You copied Oba, then Copied Omo, then copied Olokun, then copied Ogun, then copied Ida and Ada (Decorative machetes and Royal Swords)....... A lot of stuff in your culture was copied from Yorubas.
If you dont know, now you know.

You are the biggest liar and fool on nairaland.
Yorubas are copycats.

Super1Star:


Also call the Oba of Benin himself.

He should answer those questions and then we shall take him serious.

His kangaroo chiefs are too little to dabble into such historical questions. Come to think of it, the Chief could have been from the lineage of the Ogiso dynasty that is merely rubbishing the Oranmiyan lineage of the present king.

[b] Esogban,who is third in command in the palace of the Oba of Benin, said: “We wanted to discard this report as something that was not necessary at all. We do not see how the Alake of Egbaland suddenly woke up to think that the Oba of Benin is also a Yoruba Oba. There is no basis for such classification; Oba of Benin has nothing to do with the Yoruba Obas. It is simply unnecessary, unless they simply want to stir up an unnecessary controversy.


“We are not in Yorubaland. To be frank, it is because many of them are not willing to come up with the truth, the word Oba is alien to Yoruba monarchy; it is not part of their title from time immemorial. For instance, the one they call the Oba of Lagos, these are recent adaptations. In the 50s, there was no Oba of Lagos, what we had was the Eleko of Eko. That is the title of the King there. In Ibadan, you have the Olu Ibadan. You come to Abeokuta, you have the Alake of Egbaland. You come to Oyo, you have the Alaafin of Oyo. In Ilesha, you have the Owa-Obokun of IIesha. So no Yoruba monarch had as part of his titles the word Oba except the Oba of Benin. The word Oba is indigenous to benin only [/b]
Deal with it .... Still waiting for you to call Oba of benin an ipobian

cc enahi

ProfShymex:


Blame snitches. Anyway, I created this one for our now extinct commonwealth thread due to spambot. Shyte, I'm just a consistent offender.

Anyway, Binis and Yorubas are cousins united by Oduduwa's crown, though the people/language are distinct - hence the two groups never went to war. Oyo would've taken the war to Bini if both groups weren't somewhat related cos Oyo was mighty when it reigned supreme. Conversely, Bini would've done the same. Let's just continue the mutual respect and stop the unhealthy revisionism since both groups birthed Itsekiris - our offspring.

Binis didn't Birth Itsekiri, they are direct children of different Yoruba groups.
However,, Just like Ife Birthed the crown of Benin, the Benis in turn birthed the crown of Warri (Iwerre) and influenced their culture and language as well....to some extent.

Shymexx, stop trying so hard to please that dumb Bini girl.

Super1Star:


They are not part of yorubas as a people. They have been as a distinct people from time immemorial.

However, their throne anfd crown is our throne because that thrown carries our DNA.

God p urnish you for claiming Edo throne, are you mad or what?

Enahi:


You are the biggest liar and fool on nairaland.
Yorubas are copycats.

Omo Bini .... Aburo Yoruba.
Instead of you to refute the points he made, you are throwing silly tantrums.

scholes0:


You are missing the point.
The main element of the article is what the prince Esode said. And which has also been corroborated by even more people.
Unfortunately pride, will not allow the Binis accept the truth.

bro, he cannot be living in the 21st century and be the grandson of the last Ogiso from a decade of centuries ago. If the claim which supposedly makes him an authority in this matter is a fraud, why should anything he says be taken seriously?

Please reference more credible sources. I like to learn.

Lemon12:


[b] Esogban,who is third in command in the palace of the Oba of Benin, said: “We wanted to discard this report as something that was not necessary at all. We do not see how the Alake of Egbaland suddenly woke up to think that the Oba of Benin is also a Yoruba Oba. There is no basis for such classification; Oba of Benin has nothing to do with the Yoruba Obas. It is simply unnecessary, unless they simply want to stir up an unnecessary controversy.


“We are not in Yorubaland. To be frank, it is because many of them are not willing to come up with the truth, the word Oba is alien to Yoruba monarchy; it is not part of their title from time immemorial. For instance, the one they call the Oba of Lagos, these are recent adaptations. In the 50s, there was no Oba of Lagos, what we had was the Eleko of Eko. That is the title of the King there. In Ibadan, you have the Olu Ibadan. You come to Abeokuta, you have the Alake of Egbaland. You come to Oyo, you have the Alaafin of Oyo. In Ilesha, you have the Owa-Obokun of IIesha. So no Yoruba monarch had as part of his titles the word Oba except the Oba of Benin. The word Oba is indigenous to benin only [/b]
Deal with it .... Still waiting for you to call Oba of benin an ipobian

cc enahi

I don't give responses to people that lack history, talkless of an Osu.

scholes0:


Binis didn't Birth Itsekiri, they are direct children of different Yoruba groups.
However,, Just like Ife Birthed the crown of Benin, the Benis in turn birthed the crown of Warri (Iwerre) and influenced their culture and language as well....to some extent.

Shymexx, stop trying so hard to please that dumb Bini girl.

I was alluding to the crown and a very small percentage of Itsekiris are of Bini and Igala descent. Also, the Bini prince that became the first Olu of Warri also had a Yoruba mother.

I'm not trying to please - just defusing the tension.