Super1Star:


I am laughing in jukun and Yorubas are not speaking Bini or Edo or whatever language you guys speak.

You did all that, yet the official language o your palace was Yoruba?

On Eko, I though you should have installed Oba of Eko following the analogy of the drunk chief.

Meanwhile Eko that you conquered had inhabitants there before you came and it was just a small island out of the present day Lagos that includes Epe, Ketu, Ikorodu, Isolo Ebute meta of then.

Even at that, being the owner of your crown makes us th owner of whatever you own inclusive of the tiny Eko.

Well done o, you and your fake histroy of Lagos.
There are different to history of Lagos and I can see you are using the one that was written by hungry Yoruba Lecturers to claim your right.

Point of correction there was never a time in the history of Edo State that Yoruba was ever the official language.

Oahray:
lol. that's just some blogger talking jor

I'd look it up again.

Pardon my bias. I have always been intruiged by both accounts, and over the years I've gradually tilted towards the Bini account because it seems to me to have less holes.

History shouldn't be a bone to bark over though. Cultural similarities should make us a bit more united.

You latched on and kept harping that Oduduwa's descent from the sky has no root and cannot be given serious peerage to the more grounded Benin account ofhis history. You were not ready to concede the ground on that.

It has now been brought before your eyes that your highly glorifoed ogise itself is believed to descend from the sky.....and you melt, you are using visuals to softland.

Why do you people bring up points you have not thoroughly researched, why bring conjectures and waste peoples time?


Now that it has bren established firmly that if Ogiso, a descendant of the sky is legitimate, Oduduwa, another descendant of the sky is also legitimate.....and if Ogiso did not come from a previously known race, then Oduduwa did not come from Ogiso or any of its sub dynasties.


My own theory of Ogiso's root is deeper but let me keep it private for now.

PLEASE HISTORIANS....WHO WAS THE FIRST SON OF ODUDUWA AND WHO WAS THE FIRST SON OF ORANMIYAN?

ALSO WAS ORANMIYAN THE FIRST OONI AFTER ODUDUWA?

Super1Star:


I am laughing in jukun and Yorubas are not speaking Bini or Edo or whatever language you guys speak.

You did all that, yet the official language o your palace was Yoruba?

On Eko, I though you should have installed Oba of Eko following the analogy of the drunk chief.

Meanwhile Eko that you conquered had inhabitants there before you came and it was just a small island out of the present day Lagos that includes Epe, Ketu, Ikorodu, Isolo Ebute meta of then.

Even at that, being the owner of your crown makes us th owner of whatever you own inclusive of the tiny Eko.

I am very regular in the Oba (Benin) Palace, It is Bini language that is spoken there.
for your information, pay a visit to the Oba of Lagos palace and you will see that everything there are replica of the Oba of benin. that tells you that the Oba of Lagos is a descendant of the benin Kingdom. even the chiefs there still bear bini names till date.
Streets in Lagos Island still bear bini names till date e.g Idumota (Idumwun-ota), Idumagbo (Idumwun-Agbo),

Enahi:


Well done o, you and your fake histroy of Lagos.
There are different to history of Lagos and I can see you are using the one that was written by hungry Yoruba Lecturers to claim your right.

Point of correction there was never a time in the history of Edo State that Yoruba was ever the official language.

I still can't stop laughing.

I will take your statement more serious when the Oba himself denies the fact.

For your lesson in history, you need to visit your Oba's palace an let the palace historian lecture you

comos:


you can burn all the candles in this world to provide the answers to your questions.

The bini empire at the height of her peak, stretches up to dahomey. all Yoruba states were conquered including oyo empire.
Their traces of conquest are still present in yoruba-land till date. e.g Ore town (Ondo State) was founded by the binis, Osemawe (oba in ondo) linage are from bini, Eko (Lagos), Ooni of Ife was a bini prince, majority of yoruba's artifact came from Benin palace, e.t.c

Map don't tell lies.

Enahi:


Well done o, you and your fake histroy of Lagos.
There are different to history of Lagos and I can see you are using the one that was written by hungry Yoruba Lecturers to claim your right.

Point of correction there was never a time in the history of Edo State that Yoruba was ever the official language.

If it wasnt for our push from West to dislodge Biafra you will be one of Ibo speaking territories.

I want to see you deny this.

comos:

I am very regular in the Oba (Benin) Palace, It is Bini language that is spoken there.
for your information, pay a visit to the Oba of Lagos palace and you will see that everything there are replica of the Oba of benin. that tells you that the Oba of Lagos is a descendant of the benin Kingdom. even the chiefs there still bear bini names till date.
Streets in Lagos Island still bear bini names till date e.g Idumota (Idumwun-ota), Idumagbo (Idumwun-Agbo),

You are off point again.

Yoruba was the official language of the palace till the 20th century. Ask your palace historian.

Is Idumagbo not part of the Eko island? How does that confer on you the right to Lagos? Why is Oba Akiolu not bearing your name? He must have been whao-ed by Yoruba names.

forgiveness:


Map don't tell lies.

Anybody can draw map just like the one you just presented, but you can never change history because the traces will always be there. I have point out all the traces Bini empire left behind in youruba-Land, can you point out one of yours in benin-Land ?

comos:

I am very regular in the Oba (Benin) Palace, It is Bini language that is spoken there.
for your information, pay a visit to the Oba of Lagos palace and you will see that everything there are replica of the Oba of benin. that tells you that the Oba of Lagos is a descendant of the benin Kingdom. even the chiefs there still bear bini names till date.
Streets in Lagos Island still bear bini names till date e.g Idumota (Idumwun-ota), Idumagbo (Idumwun-Agbo),

They are called Idu, not Idumwun. Idu is Yoruba word, check the following.

Adu
Edu
Edu
Idu
Odu
Odu
Udu

All Yoruba in all the vowels in our lexicon.

I want to see you replicate with Bini word sand vowels. I dare you to

OPCNAIRALAND:


They are called Idu, not Idumwun. Idu is Yoruba word, check the following.

Adu
Edu
Edu
Idu
Odu
Odu
Udu

All Yoruba in all the vowels in our lexicon.

I want to see you replicate with Bini word sand vowels. I dare you to

Idumwun in bini means "Street"
so Idumwum-Ota means Ota-Street
IdumwumunOta was later corroborated to Idumota

Benin can never agree to that ascertion by Alake placing Ooni ahead of Oba Of Benin. Ooni is not superior to Oba of Benin. Its only Aalafin and Oba of Benin that are contemporaries, as both of them are descendants of Oramiyan(brothers from different mothers). Benin is as old as Ife (if not older). Oramiyan factor only change the Obaship in Benin till date. It was the Action Group of Late Obafemi Awolowo during the reign of Ooni Oba Adesoji Aderemi because he was their member, made him Chairman of Oba's council of old Western Region ,before then Aalafin used to be the paramount in Yoruba land. Reference: History of Yorubas by Samuel Johnson (published 1921).

Abmalcom:
After the first and only Oba (Oranmiyan) an Ife Prince, ruled Bini when the interregnum came to an end following the end of Ogiso dynasty, there has never been any other Oba in Edo. What they have is Omo n'Oba n'Edo (the son of Oba that rule Edo). The word Oba is yoruboid. E.g. Obaluaiye, Obalufon, Obalufe, etc.

I never knew someone has written this before. Obatala was a yoruba deity whose history is as old as yorubas. Abi obatala na Bini God?

YoruBadGoon:


Lmao. Too bad I had to disgrace and school you again today like I did on the Davido thread, Mr. Smart. At least, after that tutorial, you now know how to use "jurisprudence" in context. And hopefully, after today, you'll always base ya retorts about Yorubas on the premise of historical facts - not tripe like an agent of confusion.

Err, I also educated you on the fact that "commonwealth" is interchangeable with common allegiance/alliance. I'm ya tutor and you're my student, Mr. Smart. My service to humanity as the Duke of Ijebuland.

All this because of your god Davido who does not know you exist. I can see you are scarred for life . Mr Dullard
I see you were traumatized and have not recovered.
Omo mummy

mart2k:
Do u v sense at all? How many Yoruba palace v u visited b4? U must b a muslim because of d way u think. It is muslims that do not embrace civilisatn or modernisatn but Yoruba muslims are exceptional, we embrace civilisatn wit boh hands n daz y u c our Obas living in a posh duplex situated within or outside d palace while d historical buildings including d ancient palace remain intact. Get dat to ur brain

I frequently saw the last ooni attending the Esama of Bini, Chief Igbinedion's birthday parties, and eating party jolof rice. CLASSLESS to say the least.
NB: the Esama pays homage to the Oba of Bini

These binnis are mere renegades

And chief zebrudaya will say TOLD THEM.

OPCNAIRALAND:


You latched on and kept harping that Oduduwa's descent from the sky has no root and cannot be given serious peerage to the more grounded Benin account ofhis history. You were not ready to concede the ground on that.

It has now been brought before your eyes that your highly glorifoed ogise itself is believed to descend from the sky.....and you melt, you are using visuals to softland.

Why do you people bring up points you have not thoroughly researched, why bring conjectures and waste peoples time?


Now that it has bren established firmly that if Ogiso, a descendant of the sky is legitimate, Oduduwa, another descendant of the sky is also legitimate.....and if Ogiso did not come from a previously known race, then Oduduwa did not come from Ogiso or any of its sub dynasties.


My own theory of Ogiso's root is deeper but let me keep it private for now.

what is this one saying? The Bini version is more logical and isn't on a denial spree like yours. At least they admitted that they went to Ile-Ife when they ran into trouble with their Ogiso dynasty.

I'm sure you read my post where I said no one descended from the sky. Neither the Binis nor the Yorubas. However I haven't seen any Bini person try to refute any claim by saying something cannot be true because their Ogisos came from heaven.

The yorubas would rather argue that Oduduwa descended from heaven commando style than admit that he could have come from a nearby kingdom. They would rather have him trek from Egypt or Mecca than from Igodomigodo.

Even if the title Ogiso means what it is popularly thought to mean, there is no evidence anyone took it literally. The first Ogiso Igodo isn't revered as a mystical being in any Bini folklore.

One of my yoruba friends (a graduate o) still insists with all conviction that the chains with which Oduduwa descended from heaven is still somewhere in yoruba land.

What logical mind would be moved to believe those tales? Certainly not mine, but then, I'm only speaking for myself.

I wonder o! Bishop Ajayi Crowther translated English Bible into Yoruba in 1880 and he used the word Oba for Kings. Where did he get it from? from Bini abi?

OPCNAIRALAND:


Ase, egbon mi...and I wish same to you my brother.

Im ready to camp out all week and skip other engagements if it comes to it. These people have been on this nonsense talk far too long that their falsehood is becoming a catechism.

We will do justice to their falsehood this time around.

They already messed up when they said Yoruba adopted Oba in the 50s.

They also are lagging in finding answer to how Olokun ended up in their midst.

clefstone:
I frequently saw the last ooni attending the Esama of Bini, Chief Igbinedion's birthday parties, and eating party jolof rice. CLASSLESS to say the least.
NB: the Esama pays homage to the Oba of Bini

LOL!

even one of the yoruba's Oba have a rough fight with Davido in one of their Owambe parties

Enahi:


Your mother and sisters are dogs that's why you were able to identify one.

I repeat Edo State ladies are hundred times better than your ugly,stinking Yoruba ladies married to different men.

You are here insulting Edo ladies meanwhile your ladies are nothing to write home about,you are just another son of a bastardd and I know your mother can't remember which of her numerous husbands made her pregnant to give birth to a fool like youn

LMAO. E pain am enter bone. Olosho. Edo prostitute.

AnnaKareninaFan:
Following the statement credited to the Alake of Egbaland, Oba Adedotun Gbadebo that the Oba of Benin is the third in the ranking of kings in the South-West region, the Palace of the Oba of Benin has dismissed this as untrue. The Esogban of Benin and Odionwere of the Kingdom (traditional head), Chief David Edebiri, yesterday, made this disclosure, adding that the Ooni of Ife was a son of the Oba of Benin, and the stool of the Oba of Benin could not be compared with that of any Yoruba King.


Esogban,who is third in command in the palace of the Oba of Benin, said: “We wanted to discard this report as something that was not necessary at all. We do not see how the Alake of Egbaland suddenly woke up to think that the Oba of Benin is also a Yoruba Oba. There is no basis for such classification; Oba of Benin has nothing to do with the Yoruba Obas. It is simply unnecessary, unless they simply want to stir up an unnecessary controversy.


“We are not in Yorubaland. To be frank, it is because many of them are not willing to come up with the truth, the word Oba is alien to Yoruba monarchy; it is not part of their title from time immemorial. For instance, the one they call the Oba of Lagos, these are recent adaptations. In the 50s, there was no Oba of Lagos, what we had was the Eleko of Eko. That is the title of the King there. In Ibadan, you have the Olu Ibadan. You come to Abeokuta, you have the Alake of Egbaland. You come to Oyo, you have the Alaafin of Oyo. In Ilesha, you have the Owa-Obokun of IIesha. So no Yoruba monarch had as part of his titles the word Oba except the Oba of Benin.


“That word Oba is indigenous to Benin. It is only in recent times you find everybody bearing Oba. When the Western Regional conference of traditional rulers took place in Benin City in 1942, go and check the attendance, there was no other monarch in the whole of the Western Region then that bore the title of Oba, except the Oba of Benin. So it is an unnecessary excursion, an unnecessary attempt to turn history upside down by the Alake by classifying the Oba of Benin as third in the hierarchy of kings. Our own traditional history says that the Ooni of Ife was a Benin Prince who wandered from here to Ife, settled there and became the ruler there. That is the position, if they don’t know, they should send people here; we will teach them.


“We will show them landmarks. So this is unnecessary misrepresentation of history. Maybe the Alake wanted to mention a different place and not Benin. The monarchical rulership in this part of the world started from Benin during the era of the Ogisos. It was the son of the last Ogiso, Owodo, that wandered from here to Ife and he became a ruler there, carrying everything about the Benin monarchical system to that place. There is no basis for such classification. The Ooni of Ife by historical facts, is a son of the Oba of Benin, so they are not in the same class. The Oba of Benin is the only one that answers Oba, the rest don’t. But today, we hear Oba here and there, they are all recent adaptations. I am saying categorically that the word Oba is indigenous to Benin and not to Yoruba nation.”


http://dawntodusknews.com/ooni-of-ife-is-oba-of-benins-son-bini-palace-reply-alake-of-egbaland/

So who is the OBA and who is the OMO OBA?
argument, argument argue
Them, them, them, them, argue...

Super1Star:


You are off point again.

Yoruba was the official language of the palace till the 20th century. Ask your palace historian.

Is Idumagbo not part of the Eko island? How does that confer on you the right to Lagos? Why is Oba Akiolu not bearing your name? He must have been whao-ed by Yoruba names.

Enough of your nonsense please, Yoruba was never bini's official language I wonder where you are getting all this crap from. Yes there are similarities but it was never the official language.

And stop been a dumbo about the name thing, most old streets in Lagos are actually bini names.

Oahray:
what is this one saying? The Bini version is more logical and isn't on a denial spree like yours. At least they admitted that they went to Ile-Ife when they ran into trouble with their Ogiso dynasty.

I'm sure you read my post where I said no one descended from the sky. Neither the Binis nor the Yorubas. However I haven't seen any Bini person try to refute any claim by saying something cannot be true because their Ogisos came from heaven.

The yorubas would rather argue that Oduduwa descended from heaven commando style than admit that he could have come from a nearby kingdom. They would rather have him trek from Egypt or Mecca than from Igodomigodo.

Even if the title Ogiso means what it is popularly thought to mean, there is no evidence anyone took it literally. The first Ogiso Igodo isn't revered as a mystical being in any Bini folklore.

One of my yoruba friends (a graduate o) still insists with all conviction that the chains with which Oduduwa descended from heaven is still somewhere in yoruba land.

What logical mind would be moved to believe those tales? Certainly not mine, but then, I'm only speaking for myself.

Are you minding the fools, they are ranting up and down with their distorted history. Even some of their Lecturers can't answer some questions that has to do with bini/Yoruba history.
It's only how to eat Amala and receive Egunje they know,bunch of dumbos.

though I am Yoruba, but I will categorically agree with what Benin chief says. it is actually true through d Yoruba history books I have read...

OPCNAIRALAND:


In fact the King of Bini is not an Oba....he is a Omo n'Oba. They now want to escape their rightful position as a "begotten of Yoruba" and start classifying their king as Oba.

We havent given you authority to use Oba yet, stick with use of Omo n Oba.

Abeg oga, you deserve something from me. Come meet me for Misad for eleyele road for 6 bottles of beer and pepper soup, I dey wait for you.

Enahi:


Enough of your nonsense please, Yoruba was never bini's official language I wonder where you are getting all this crap from. Yes there are similarities but it was never the official language.

And stop been a dumbo about the name thing, most old streets in Lagos are actually bini names.

Bini names ko, Bornu names ni.

Abeg park well.


When you have the liver to ask your palace historian about Yoruba being the language of your palace, get back to me.

I never knew Shango, Olokumi, Osun and Ogun are all Bini deities too.

Let us hear you mythology on them.

Super1Star:


You are off point again.

Yoruba was the official language of the palace till the 20th century. Ask your palace historian.

Is Idumagbo not part of the Eko island? How does that confer on you the right to Lagos? Why is Oba Akiolu not bearing your name? He must have been whao-ed by Yoruba names.

Go ask Oba Akiolu his linage he will happily tells you is a proud Oba of bini lineage.
you can rant up and down but can not change history.

but cannot be candidly prove that the present place called Bini was d original abode of Oduduwa the purported father of most ancient kings in Yoruba land like Ooni of Ife, Alake of Egba, Owa-Obokun of Ilesha, Aalafin of Oyo, Orangun of Ila etc. These kings candidly trace their lineage to Oduduwa of Bini

Super1Star:


Bini names ko, Bornu names ni.

Abeg park well.


When you have the liver to ask your palace historian about Yoruba being the language of your palace, get back to me.

I never knew Shango, Olokumi, Osun and Ogun are all Bini deities too.

Let us hear you mythology on them.

I won't reply you again because you have a foolish brain.

Super1Star:


Bini names ko, Bornu names ni.

Abeg park well.


When you have the liver to ask your palace historian about Yoruba being the language of your palace, get back to me.

I never knew Shango, Olokumi, Osun and Ogun are all Bini deities too.

Let us hear you mythology on them.

I now believe that your Oduduwa was actually thrown down from the sky due to his dirtiness.
no wonder your towns are all littered with brown roofs and filthy environment.

comos:


Go ask Oba Akiolu his linage he will happily tells you is a proud Oba of bini lineage.
you can rant up and down but can not change history.

Yeah, no wonder his name sounds very Bini-ish.