Scholar8200:
The passage in question is self explanatory, darkness/evil is the consequence of God withdrawing His Light. For example, man was not created with an evil nature.(Eating from the forbidden tree was not a question off morals but faith)
However, after the fall, man was separated from God and the heart of man became evil as a result Genesis 6:5

Meaning the creating of evil takes place as a consequence creatures being the determinants.

correct bro. God is Not the author of Evil, God does reward and punished people on the basis of Good and bad deed. God does bring judgment and calamity (either directly or through human authorities) on those who rebel.

malvisguy212:
correct bro. God is Not the author of Evil, God does reward and punished people on the basis of Good and bad deed. God does bring judgment and calamity (either directly or through human authorities) on those who rebel.

Confused people

ichommy:


Confused people

Hmmm

Aminat508:
Hmmm

No mind me abeg

ichommy:


Confused people

They are so confused

ichommy:


No mind me abeg

hmmm

ichommy:


Confused people

No. You are confused, God created the whole world and everything in it. Evil is not a created thing, You can't see, touch, feel, smell or
hear evil. It is not one of the fundamental forces of physics. So just as scholar explained it. Evil is the consequence of God withdrawing His light. Just as we define darkness as the absence of light.

UyiIredia:


Why not use reason to infer the supernatural. Why must atheists ask for empirical evidence whig is open o misinterpretation from poor reasoning.

The supernatural supposedly transcends nature, right. So if you say that you can raise the dead, let's bring a cadaver so you can raise him/her in front of experts. The experts will supply the cadaver, obviously.

I heard that one guy even offered a large sum of money to anyone who can perform straight-up magic in front of him. Nobody has been successful yet.

Aminat508:
hmmm

Hope am safe?
This Theist self, abi you wan join our Discussion?

KingEbukasBlog:


You just called it "the SUPERnatural" and expect it to be detected , measure and predictions made ? Come on !

Spirituality does that not science . Science studies nature not the supernatural . You atheists rule out the supernatural - an evidence of a close-mindedness

Supernatural is supposed to transcend nature. That means that it is supposed to create events that won't be possible to replicate using conventional science.

So let someone who claims to know about the supernatural do something really supernatural, like regrow an amputee's hand in front of doctors. Let the volunteer be neutral.

Until then, there's no reason to believe.

CoolUsername:


Supernatural is supposed to transcend nature. That means that it is supposed to create events that won't be possible to replicate using conventional science.

So let someone who claims to know about the supernatural do something really supernatural, like regrow an amputee's hand in front of doctors. Let the volunteer be neutral.

Until then, there's no reason to believe.

till the world ends no body would heal an amputee!

things like that cant be faked!!

taurus25:


till the world ends no body would heal an amputee!

things like that cant be faked!!

Am just coming in for the first time, for the most part, Christianity isn't a religion it's a called out way of life.
You people requiring signs to believe,,this was the same reason Christ came and performed wonders and the Bible says those who saw and heard, and seeing the work, believed. Those things happen not as challenges but as will of God to save. Salvation also goes with having the oppressed be made relieved to then at last attain eternal life. If you ask for a challenge and you get it then that person who performs it was a mere magician because no true child of God would go for a challenge. Except he was faced with it from an angle where God proves Himself. Repent ye atheists the end is near!! Repent and believe, morality wouldn't save you!

tosinjay:

Am just coming in for the first time, for the most part, Christianity isn't a religion it's a called out way of life.
You people requiring signs to believe,,this was the same reason Christ came and performed wonders and the Bible says those who saw and heard, and seeing the work, believed. Those things happen not as challenges but as will of God to save. Salvation also goes with having the oppressed be made relieved to then at last attain eternal life. If you ask for a challenge and you get it then that person who performs it was a mere magician because no true child of God would go for a challenge. Except he was faced with it from an angle where God proves Himself. Repent ye atheists the end is near!! Repent and believe, morality wouldn't save you!

who is looking for salvation abeg?

Seun:
It's sad to watch people trying desperately to make sense of something that just doesn't add up because they have been told that it's the truth.


The God of Christianity, Islam, and Judaism is all-powerful and benevolent. Such a God cannot exist because of the existence of evil. therefore those religions and their holy books are wrong. If the Bible and Quran are wrong, what is your reason for still believing that God exists?

What is the good intent behind allowing the torture, butchery and murder of innocent children and adults by groups like ISIS and Boko Haram?

As much as I really hate those murderers the bible made us discover that no one is righteous or holy the mistake we usually make is thinking that one sin is small and the other big.
The bible even said that if a murderer e.g [Saul (a murderer of even the early christains )who later became Paul ] confess and repent he will be forgiven cos we are all sinners.***why didn't GOD destroy him on his way to Damascus?***
And also what is the essence of you creating a being,giving him brains to think out of all the animals in the field if you only want him to act like a robot or imposing ur will on him without letting him decide on his own as Adam and the devil decided

taurus25:
hehehehe, its funny how christains/religionist always seek ways to defend their 'gods'
well
If mere human me finds that im all knowing and all powerfull
My universe would be perfect to all standards
if anything resembling EVIL stems up, i would immediately SPEAK it out of existence!!
but guess what , a soposed god looks at earth , he sees children starving to death in africa , and this is what he tells them
if you dont worship me , i will BURN you in hell

Hello,how will you be able to continually everyday of your life live like a real christian (with good attributes and character) when you are not a Christian yourself its not possible as a human. God knows that and that is why the sentence if you dont worship me , i will BURN you in hell seemed like that.

As most people may deny but the real fact is that Christians are the ones still keeping the world in balance, despite d numerous false doctrines and irregularities in today's christaindom however
If not for the basic and general principles found in Christianity on e.g stealing, killing and so on I wonder how the world will or might have been.

HEFAIROHLUWA:

As much as I really hate those murderers the bible made us discover that no one is righteous or holy the mistake we usually make is thinking that one sin is small and the other big.
The bible even said that if a murderer e.g [Saul (a murderer of even the early christains )who later became Paul ] confess and repent he will be forgiven cos we are all sinners.***why didn't GOD destroy him on his way to Damascus?***
And also what is the essence of you creating a being,giving him brains to think out of all the animals in the field if you only want him to act like a robot or imposing ur will on him without letting him decide on his own as Adam and the devil decided
Hello,how can you act like a real christian if you are not a Christian yourself its not possible that is why the sentence if you dont worship me , i will BURN you in hell seemed like that.

As most people may deny but the real fact is that Christians are the ones still keeping the world in balance, despite d numerous false doctrines and irregularities in today's christaindom however
If not for the basic and general principles found in Christianity on e.g stealing, killing and so on I wonder how the world will or might have been.

what is this one saying , in every human society since the advancement of mankind has had moral codes regulating the society in africa before christianity came our forefathers had laws, rules and moral codes by which they abide.

and on freewill look at it this way, god is omnipotent , he knows what has been and what would be, so whatever adam and eve would have soposedly chosen the outcome was already known by god. now where is the freewill??

taurus25:


what is this one saying , in every human society since the advancement of mankind has had moral codes regulating the society in africa before christianity came our forefathers had laws, rules and moral codes by which they abide.

and on freewill look at it this way, god is omnipotent , he knows what has been and what would be, so whatever adam and eve would have soposedly chosen the outcome was already known by god. now where is the freewill??

Lol,compare both and choose the better human sacrifice,killing of twins e.t.c those were laws or moral codes good for humanity/Africa?
He is the omnipotent yes!! However Jesus was in the wilderness tempted by the devil of which he could have been defeated by the devil even though it was already prophesied that he will be the saviour/messiah for mankind.
Being omnipotent does not mean God will tamper with your freewill anytime he wishes to.So that people like you and me wouldn't turn around and complain by calling him names like a selfish or self centered God becos that is humans for you.
Does that answer your question?

HEFAIROHLUWA:

Lol,compare both and choose the better human sacrifice,killing of twins e.t.c those were laws or moral codes good for humanity/Africa?
He is the omnipotent yes!! However Jesus was in the wilderness tempted by the devil of which he could have been defeated by the devil even though it was already prophesied that he will be the saviour/messiah for mankind.
Being omnipotent does not mean God will tamper with your freewill anytime he wishes to.So that people like you and me wouldn't turn around and complain by calling him names like a selfish or self centered God becos that is humans for you.
Does that answer your question?

hehe someone is talking about funny laws, okay see ur bible

“Do not wear clothing woven of two kinds of material.” – Leviticus 19:19

Then look at Deut 21:18-21. It says:
If someone has a stubborn and rebellious son who will not obey his father and mother, who does not heed them when they discipline him, then his father and his mother shall take hold of him and bring him out to the elders of his town at the gate of that place. They shall say to the elders of his town, ‘This son of ours is stubborn and rebellious. He will not obey us. He is a glutton and a drunkard.’ Then all the men of the town shall stone him to death. So you shall purge the evil from your midst; and all Israel will hear, and be afraid.
That is a whole lot of teenagers that we need to kill

The concept of omniscience , frewill and purnishment for sin is devoid of good reasoning

look at it this way

if you are to create a machine and you know fully well this machine is going to fail when operated, then the machine fails when operated after being created then you blame the machine for your errors in creation.

Does it make any sense??

taurus25:


hehe someone is talking about funny laws, okay see ur bible

“Do not wear clothing woven of two kinds of material.” – Leviticus 19:19

Then look at Deut 21:18-21. It says:
If someone has a stubborn and rebellious son who will not obey his father and mother, who does not heed them when they discipline him, then his father and his mother shall take hold of him and bring him out to the elders of his town at the gate of that place. They shall say to the elders of his town, ‘This son of ours is stubborn and rebellious. He will not obey us. He is a glutton and a drunkard.’ Then all the men of the town shall stone him to death. So you shall purge the evil from your midst; and all Israel will hear, and be afraid.
That is a whole lot of teenagers that we need to kill

The concept of omniscience , frewill and purnishment for sin is devoid of good reasoning

look at it this way

if you are to create a machine and you know fully well this machine is going to fail when operated, then the machine fails when operated after being created then you blame the machine for your errors in creation.

Does it make any sense??

Are you a machine?As in a machine without brains?
U gave birth to a son and advised him against cultism in school.
Did you give birth to a machine?
Even if his father is a pastor that everyone respect that does not guarantee that the son will not be tempted to join in school.The son has to make the decision HIMSELF!!!
who is now to be blamed?father or son despite the instructions and advise.
The wages of sin is death( it says sin-not big sin /small sin) For all have sinned and come short of the glory of God.

Why now blame God for the consequences of ur sins.
If God had sent Jesus Christ immediately Adam and eve sinned u would have called him a liar about death after eating the fruit of eden.He gave a simple instruction for our own good and we couldnt obey due to the devil who he also was kind enough to allow free will .This shows how convincing the devil is. lol
Keep it coming pal.

malvisguy212:
No. You are confused, God created the whole world and everything in it. Evil is not a created thing, You can't see, touch, feel, smell or
hear evil. It is not one of the fundamental forces of physics. So just as scholar explained it. Evil is the consequence of God withdrawing His light. Just as we define darkness as the absence of light.

Pastor


Is good also a created thing? You christians and your half baked logic.


God created evil. He is the almighty smiter. The punisher.


Yaweh the defiler

Seun:
It's sad to watch people trying desperately to make sense of something that just doesn't add up because they have been told that it's the truth.


The God of Christianity, Islam, and Judaism is all-powerful and benevolent. Such a God cannot exist because of the existence of evil. therefore those religions and their holy books are wrong. If the Bible and Quran are wrong, what is your reason for still believing that God exists?

What is the good intent behind allowing the torture, butchery and murder of innocent children and adults by groups like ISIS and Boko Haram?

What are you doing in religion.... It is a murky water situation every one to his own beliefs and truths.....

malvisguy212:
correct bro. God is Not the author of Evil, God does reward and punished people on the basis of Good and bad deed. God does bring judgment and calamity (either directly or through human authorities) on those who rebel.

So how did innocent babies who suffer and die at birth rebel against this your God?

HEFAIROHLUWA:

Are you a machine?As in a machine without brains?
U gave birth to a son and advised him against cultism in school.
Did you give birth to a machine?
Even if his father is a pastor that everyone respect that does not guarantee that the son will not be tempted to join in school.The son has to make the decision HIMSELF!!!
who is now to be blamed?father or son despite the instructions and advise.
The wages of sin is death( it says sin-not big sin /small sin) For all have sinned and come short of the glory of God.

Why now blame God for the consequences of ur sins.
If God had sent Jesus Christ immediately Adam and eve sinned u would have called him a liar about death after eating the fruit of eden.He gave a simple instruction for our own good and we couldnt obey due to the devil who he also was kind enough to allow free will .This shows how convincing the devil is. lol
Keep it coming pal.

So in effect you support the biblical law of stoning rebellious and stubborn children to death. Afterall, as you said, you cannot blame the fathers for te consequences of a rebellious child's sins.

taurus25:


who is looking for salvation abeg?

The world needs it, everyone does. People like you who rejects Christ soon finds out by themselves. All shall leave this world some day.

Seun:
The simple fact is that evil came from somewhere. If you say that God created everything, then evil must be one of the things that he created.

Good morning!

To say I'm surprised after I found out about your stance about God(the most high) and Religion is an understatement. Although, I'm fully aware that we Yoruba(s) are not very religious. I also didn't fail to see traces of emotions in your debacle in anything pertaining to Religionism.

I'm hereby preaching forgiveness to you, for it is the term that drives people away from the most high. I'm assuming that something(terrible, or probably not) happened to you and you prayed fervently to God to stop it but he didn't, that's is what I call "test of faith", it happens to every body, including his prophets.

Please, do not doubt the existence of God, for he is our creator and we have no one else to run to in time of despair except him. I am a Muslim and I believe in the Almighty Allah because I have witnessed his existence times without number. What people don't know is that everything happens for a purpose/reason. My grandmother died like 6 years ago, whilst on the sick bed. Imagine seeing your loved one on a sick bed, dying and you're unable to do anything, that is her deal with God my brother, and no man can interfere.

Therefore, I'm urging you sir, to please revalidate your faith and be closer to God, I pray you'll never have a reason to doubt his existence again.



Glory be to God.

JackBizzle:


Pastor


Is good also a created thing? You christians and your half baked logic.


God created evil. He is the almighty smiter. The punisher.


Yaweh the defiler

Good is not a created thing either. Listen, there is natural evil and moral evil, Moral evil is the sin of rational creatures (angels and
men) scripture indicate it, moral Evil came first. Natural evil is a curse brought upon the world because of moral evil. Moral evil exists because humans are free to do either good or bad, it's just that simple. Why does God allowed this to happened ? I mean why does God allowed Evil ?the simple answer to this is, God instills in each of Us the ability to know right from wrong. One of the purpose of God creating us is to CHOSE to Love Him or reject Him. as
sentient and free beings it falls on US to
choose, not God to dictate, if God dictate for us, then is partial freewill. So evil exist because WE ARE ALLOWED to CHOSE from it, who Allowed us to chose ? GOD. This mean, God is not the author of Evil, we are.

Evil exists because WE choose for it to exist ( we choose by doing what we know to be wrong AND by choosing to be apart from God)

Seun:
It's sad to watch people trying desperately to make sense of something that just doesn't add up because they have been told that it's the truth.


The God of Christianity, Islam, and Judaism is all-powerful and benevolent. Such a God cannot exist because of the existence of evil. therefore those religions and their holy books are wrong. If the Bible and Quran are wrong, what is your reason for still believing that God exists?

What is the good intent behind allowing the torture, butchery and murder of innocent children and adults by groups like ISIS and Boko Haram?

There's no such thing as the "God of Christianity and Islam" Christians and muslims don't worship the same god. Do not be deceived.

karleone:


Hello Mr Seun,

Compliments of the Val season!!!!
I personally traced your post to complain of the uncalled ban I received for a not-annoying post. On this thread www.nairaland.com/2925677/6-behavioral-issue-cost-job#42809410, I made a comment asking "If the No 6 point was part of a behavioral issue" and the so-called mod saw it as an insult and went ahead to carry out his purported plans. Who know, he/she might have had a Gentle me at heart to discipline. My only message to him or her is that, I'm a peaceful guy and my posts are always respectful, my followers might testify (I post for sake of preserving my dignity n integrity, inasmuch as it's a faceless forum), he too should tread peacefully with me.
Please, visit the link and sort out my wrong.
I'd be grateful to know my fault.

Thanks.

Concerned NLder


Cc: Davide470

You may be wasting your time. I was given a ban 'for misrepresenting the reason' for a previous ban. Lol.

tosinjay:

The world needs it, everyone does. People like you who rejects Christ soon finds out by themselves. All shall leave this world some day.

So your religion can only convince people by issuing threats and condemnation. Believe me such threats do not appeal to lots of people.

HEFAIROHLUWA:

Are you a machine?As in a machine without brains?
U gave birth to a son and advised him against cultism in school.
Did you give birth to a machine?
Even if his father is a pastor that everyone respect that does not guarantee that the son will not be tempted to join in school.The son has to make the decision HIMSELF!!!
who is now to be blamed?father or son despite the instructions and advise.
The wages of sin is death( it says sin-not big sin /small sin) For all have sinned and come short of the glory of God.

Why now blame God for the consequences of ur sins.
If God had sent Jesus Christ immediately Adam and eve sinned u would have called him a liar about death after eating the fruit of eden.He gave a simple instruction for our own good and we couldnt obey due to the devil who he also was kind enough to allow free will .This shows how convincing the devil is. lol
Keep it coming pal.

anybody would with a little sense would know that the machine anology i used was just to explain to you that if god from the very beginning knew all, he must have known that man he is about to create would sin (an omniscience definetly woulve known) , then he creates man , man sinned (of course god knew this would happen) and god promised him hell

anyways i know this back and forth is pointless.

so have a nice life pal

Seun, if you have a son and he is Troublesome, would you say you gave birth to a troublesome son?

No, the right thing would be, your son became troublesome..

You see, one of the things God has lovingly done for us is to give us free will. Free will means a desire to do right or evil. So evil definately didnt come from God. Mankind decided to thread on the path of evil.
God just allowed it. He simplyn allowed it for the mean time

Seun:
The simple fact is that evil came from somewhere. If you say that God created everything, then evil must be one of the things that he created.

malvisguy212:
No. You are confused, God created the whole world and everything in it. Evil is not a created thing, You can't see, touch, feel, smell or hear evil. It is not one of the fundamental forces of physics.

Then it follows that God did not create souls either, for you cannot touch, see, feel, smell, or hear them.