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Re: Isaiah 45:7 And Atheists by malvisguy212: 10:12pm On Feb 12, 2016 |
Scholar8200:correct bro. God is Not the author of Evil, God does reward and punished people on the basis of Good and bad deed. God does bring judgment and calamity (either directly or through human authorities) on those who rebel. 2 Likes 1 Share |
Re: Isaiah 45:7 And Atheists by ichommy(m): 10:17pm On Feb 12, 2016 |
malvisguy212: Confused people |
Re: Isaiah 45:7 And Atheists by Aminat508(f): 10:21pm On Feb 12, 2016 |
ichommy:Hmmm |
Re: Isaiah 45:7 And Atheists by ichommy(m): 10:25pm On Feb 12, 2016 |
Aminat508:No mind me abeg |
Re: Isaiah 45:7 And Atheists by reallest(f): 10:26pm On Feb 12, 2016 |
ichommy: They are so confused |
Re: Isaiah 45:7 And Atheists by Aminat508(f): 10:27pm On Feb 12, 2016 |
ichommy:hmmm |
Re: Isaiah 45:7 And Atheists by malvisguy212: 10:28pm On Feb 12, 2016 |
ichommy:No. You are confused, God created the whole world and everything in it. Evil is not a created thing, You can't see, touch, feel, smell or hear evil. It is not one of the fundamental forces of physics. So just as scholar explained it. Evil is the consequence of God withdrawing His light. Just as we define darkness as the absence of light. 2 Likes 1 Share |
Re: Isaiah 45:7 And Atheists by CoolUsername: 10:30pm On Feb 12, 2016 |
UyiIredia: The supernatural supposedly transcends nature, right. So if you say that you can raise the dead, let's bring a cadaver so you can raise him/her in front of experts. The experts will supply the cadaver, obviously. I heard that one guy even offered a large sum of money to anyone who can perform straight-up magic in front of him. Nobody has been successful yet. 1 Like 1 Share |
Re: Isaiah 45:7 And Atheists by ichommy(m): 10:32pm On Feb 12, 2016 |
Aminat508:Hope am safe? This Theist self, abi you wan join our Discussion? |
Re: Isaiah 45:7 And Atheists by CoolUsername: 10:37pm On Feb 12, 2016 |
KingEbukasBlog: Supernatural is supposed to transcend nature. That means that it is supposed to create events that won't be possible to replicate using conventional science. So let someone who claims to know about the supernatural do something really supernatural, like regrow an amputee's hand in front of doctors. Let the volunteer be neutral. Until then, there's no reason to believe. 2 Likes 1 Share |
Re: Isaiah 45:7 And Atheists by taurus25(m): 10:45pm On Feb 12, 2016 |
CoolUsername: till the world ends no body would heal an amputee! things like that cant be faked!! 1 Like |
Re: Isaiah 45:7 And Atheists by tosinjay(m): 11:13pm On Feb 12, 2016 |
taurus25:Am just coming in for the first time, for the most part, Christianity isn't a religion it's a called out way of life. You people requiring signs to believe,,this was the same reason Christ came and performed wonders and the Bible says those who saw and heard, and seeing the work, believed. Those things happen not as challenges but as will of God to save. Salvation also goes with having the oppressed be made relieved to then at last attain eternal life. If you ask for a challenge and you get it then that person who performs it was a mere magician because no true child of God would go for a challenge. Except he was faced with it from an angle where God proves Himself. Repent ye atheists the end is near!! Repent and believe, morality wouldn't save you! 2 Likes |
Re: Isaiah 45:7 And Atheists by taurus25(m): 11:22pm On Feb 12, 2016 |
tosinjay: who is looking for salvation abeg? |
Re: Isaiah 45:7 And Atheists by HEFAIROHLUWA(m): 12:20am On Feb 13, 2016 |
Seun:As much as I really hate those murderers the bible made us discover that no one is righteous or holy the mistake we usually make is thinking that one sin is small and the other big. The bible even said that if a murderer e.g [Saul (a murderer of even the early christains )who later became Paul ] confess and repent he will be forgiven cos we are all sinners.***why didn't GOD destroy him on his way to Damascus?*** And also what is the essence of you creating a being,giving him brains to think out of all the animals in the field if you only want him to act like a robot or imposing ur will on him without letting him decide on his own as Adam and the devil decided taurus25:Hello,how will you be able to continually everyday of your life live like a real christian (with good attributes and character) when you are not a Christian yourself its not possible as a human. God knows that and that is why the sentence if you dont worship me , i will BURN you in hell seemed like that. As most people may deny but the real fact is that Christians are the ones still keeping the world in balance, despite d numerous false doctrines and irregularities in today's christaindom however If not for the basic and general principles found in Christianity on e.g stealing, killing and so on I wonder how the world will or might have been. |
Re: Isaiah 45:7 And Atheists by taurus25(m): 12:34am On Feb 13, 2016 |
HEFAIROHLUWA: what is this one saying , in every human society since the advancement of mankind has had moral codes regulating the society in africa before christianity came our forefathers had laws, rules and moral codes by which they abide. and on freewill look at it this way, god is omnipotent , he knows what has been and what would be, so whatever adam and eve would have soposedly chosen the outcome was already known by god. now where is the freewill?? |
Re: Isaiah 45:7 And Atheists by HEFAIROHLUWA(m): 1:18am On Feb 13, 2016 |
taurus25:Lol,compare both and choose the better human sacrifice,killing of twins e.t.c those were laws or moral codes good for humanity/Africa? He is the omnipotent yes!! However Jesus was in the wilderness tempted by the devil of which he could have been defeated by the devil even though it was already prophesied that he will be the saviour/messiah for mankind. Being omnipotent does not mean God will tamper with your freewill anytime he wishes to.So that people like you and me wouldn't turn around and complain by calling him names like a selfish or self centered God becos that is humans for you. Does that answer your question? 1 Like |
Re: Isaiah 45:7 And Atheists by taurus25(m): 1:39am On Feb 13, 2016 |
HEFAIROHLUWA: hehe someone is talking about funny laws, okay see ur bible “Do not wear clothing woven of two kinds of material.” – Leviticus 19:19 Then look at Deut 21:18-21. It says: If someone has a stubborn and rebellious son who will not obey his father and mother, who does not heed them when they discipline him, then his father and his mother shall take hold of him and bring him out to the elders of his town at the gate of that place. They shall say to the elders of his town, ‘This son of ours is stubborn and rebellious. He will not obey us. He is a glutton and a drunkard.’ Then all the men of the town shall stone him to death. So you shall purge the evil from your midst; and all Israel will hear, and be afraid. That is a whole lot of teenagers that we need to kill The concept of omniscience , frewill and purnishment for sin is devoid of good reasoning look at it this way if you are to create a machine and you know fully well this machine is going to fail when operated, then the machine fails when operated after being created then you blame the machine for your errors in creation. Does it make any sense?? |
Re: Isaiah 45:7 And Atheists by HEFAIROHLUWA(m): 2:30am On Feb 13, 2016 |
taurus25:Are you a machine?As in a machine without brains? U gave birth to a son and advised him against cultism in school. Did you give birth to a machine? Even if his father is a pastor that everyone respect that does not guarantee that the son will not be tempted to join in school.The son has to make the decision HIMSELF!!! who is now to be blamed?father or son despite the instructions and advise. The wages of sin is death( it says sin-not big sin /small sin) For all have sinned and come short of the glory of God. Why now blame God for the consequences of ur sins. If God had sent Jesus Christ immediately Adam and eve sinned u would have called him a liar about death after eating the fruit of eden.He gave a simple instruction for our own good and we couldnt obey due to the devil who he also was kind enough to allow free will .This shows how convincing the devil is. lol Keep it coming pal. 2 Likes |
Re: Isaiah 45:7 And Atheists by JackBizzle: 2:32am On Feb 13, 2016 |
malvisguy212: Pastor Is good also a created thing? You christians and your half baked logic. God created evil. He is the almighty smiter. The punisher. Yaweh the defiler |
Re: Isaiah 45:7 And Atheists by Nobody: 5:44am On Feb 13, 2016 |
Seun:What are you doing in religion.... It is a murky water situation every one to his own beliefs and truths..... |
Re: Isaiah 45:7 And Atheists by frank317: 6:04am On Feb 13, 2016 |
malvisguy212: So how did innocent babies who suffer and die at birth rebel against this your God? |
Re: Isaiah 45:7 And Atheists by wirinet(m): 6:51am On Feb 13, 2016 |
HEFAIROHLUWA: So in effect you support the biblical law of stoning rebellious and stubborn children to death. Afterall, as you said, you cannot blame the fathers for te consequences of a rebellious child's sins. |
Re: Isaiah 45:7 And Atheists by tosinjay(m): 6:53am On Feb 13, 2016 |
taurus25:The world needs it, everyone does. People like you who rejects Christ soon finds out by themselves. All shall leave this world some day. |
Re: Isaiah 45:7 And Atheists by Sveen: 7:28am On Feb 13, 2016 |
Seun:Good morning! To say I'm surprised after I found out about your stance about God(the most high) and Religion is an understatement. Although, I'm fully aware that we Yoruba(s) are not very religious. I also didn't fail to see traces of emotions in your debacle in anything pertaining to Religionism. I'm hereby preaching forgiveness to you, for it is the term that drives people away from the most high. I'm assuming that something(terrible, or probably not) happened to you and you prayed fervently to God to stop it but he didn't, that's is what I call "test of faith", it happens to every body, including his prophets. Please, do not doubt the existence of God, for he is our creator and we have no one else to run to in time of despair except him. I am a Muslim and I believe in the Almighty Allah because I have witnessed his existence times without number. What people don't know is that everything happens for a purpose/reason. My grandmother died like 6 years ago, whilst on the sick bed. Imagine seeing your loved one on a sick bed, dying and you're unable to do anything, that is her deal with God my brother, and no man can interfere. Therefore, I'm urging you sir, to please revalidate your faith and be closer to God, I pray you'll never have a reason to doubt his existence again. Glory be to God. |
Re: Isaiah 45:7 And Atheists by malvisguy212: 7:38am On Feb 13, 2016 |
JackBizzle:Good is not a created thing either. Listen, there is natural evil and moral evil, Moral evil is the sin of rational creatures (angels and men) scripture indicate it, moral Evil came first. Natural evil is a curse brought upon the world because of moral evil. Moral evil exists because humans are free to do either good or bad, it's just that simple. Why does God allowed this to happened ? I mean why does God allowed Evil ?the simple answer to this is, God instills in each of Us the ability to know right from wrong. One of the purpose of God creating us is to CHOSE to Love Him or reject Him. as sentient and free beings it falls on US to choose, not God to dictate, if God dictate for us, then is partial freewill. So evil exist because WE ARE ALLOWED to CHOSE from it, who Allowed us to chose ? GOD. This mean, God is not the author of Evil, we are. Evil exists because WE choose for it to exist ( we choose by doing what we know to be wrong AND by choosing to be apart from God) 1 Like |
Re: Isaiah 45:7 And Atheists by TruthHurts1(m): 7:41am On Feb 13, 2016 |
Seun: There's no such thing as the "God of Christianity and Islam" Christians and muslims don't worship the same god. Do not be deceived. 1 Like |
Re: Isaiah 45:7 And Atheists by Nobody: 7:58am On Feb 13, 2016 |
karleone:You may be wasting your time. I was given a ban 'for misrepresenting the reason' for a previous ban. Lol. |
Re: Isaiah 45:7 And Atheists by wirinet(m): 8:12am On Feb 13, 2016 |
tosinjay: So your religion can only convince people by issuing threats and condemnation. Believe me such threats do not appeal to lots of people. 2 Likes |
Re: Isaiah 45:7 And Atheists by taurus25(m): 8:49am On Feb 13, 2016 |
HEFAIROHLUWA: anybody would with a little sense would know that the machine anology i used was just to explain to you that if god from the very beginning knew all, he must have known that man he is about to create would sin (an omniscience definetly woulve known) , then he creates man , man sinned (of course god knew this would happen) and god promised him hell anyways i know this back and forth is pointless. so have a nice life pal |
Re: Isaiah 45:7 And Atheists by imohchard(m): 8:53am On Feb 13, 2016 |
Seun, if you have a son and he is Troublesome, would you say you gave birth to a troublesome son? No, the right thing would be, your son became troublesome.. You see, one of the things God has lovingly done for us is to give us free will. Free will means a desire to do right or evil. So evil definately didnt come from God. Mankind decided to thread on the path of evil. God just allowed it. He simplyn allowed it for the mean time Seun: |
Re: Isaiah 45:7 And Atheists by onetrack(m): 8:59am On Feb 13, 2016 |
malvisguy212: Then it follows that God did not create souls either, for you cannot touch, see, feel, smell, or hear them. |
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