CoolUsername:


The article postulates that Noah put 50,000 land animals into the ark.

Now, scientists know we have about 6 million land animal species. But I used only 1 million in my calculations.

We know that this event took place about 4,000 years ago.

By inference, we can see tha 50,000 species became 1 million in 4,000 years.

My calculations gave me about 237.5 new species each year and 0.65 new species per day.

We have never observed an animal giving birth to a new specie.

Therefore, this scientific model is wrong.

analice107:
^^^And, what were the last species to evolve? From what did they evolve to?
What species are undergoing evolution right now, who is observing this process?

KingEbukasBlog:


I was not there so I can make only intellectual inferences

1. The young ones of most animals could have been taken in - they are smaller in size . E.g : young one of an elephant vs an adult elephant

KingEbukasBlog:

2. Some animals Noah did not take in may have survived the flood . Legends say men eg Tubal Cain survived the flood so animals may have survived too

KingEbukasBlog:

3. kinds refer to genus , and species come under genus in the taxonomic rank . So 50,000 genus means more animal species were taken into the ark

plaetton:


Your questions simply means that you still don't get it.
You read, but failed to understand the op.

I don't blame you through.
Because you have very little idea of what she is talking about.
We have a very poor science education in Nigeria, so most Nigerians are scientifically illiterate or semiliterate.

Now, if you are sincere in your questions, then go ahead and take time to study the subject.

Nairaland religious section might not be the ideal place to start your scientific education.

CoolUsername:




What the article states, is that representatives of each 'kind' or 'genus' were taken. If they meant species then they won't have been able to beat the number down. Reread the article that YOU cited.

So my argument of the rapid diversification still stands.

Consider this, a genus known as the 'even-toed ungulates' we have includes the following animals: the giraffe, antelope, deer, cattle, hippopotamus, llamas, etc.
Now, if two (or seven) representatives were taken in by Noah, you're still telling me that in just 4,000 years the giraffe and hippo would evolve from a common ancestor. It's impossible to believe.

There's also the small matter of continental drift.

KingEbukasBlog:


What is Steve Jobs ?



So if you know that evolution is a fallible theory , why are you obdurate about its authenticity


Christ has once existed on earth as human and Christ is God .



Man measures the duration of events using time . Does God employ such methods ? Does he need to update his word ?

Evolutionists claim that the transition from one species to a new one takes place in tiny, incremental changes over millions of years, they acknowledge that we cannot observe the process taking place today. Our lifespans simply are too short to directly observe such a
change. Instead, they say, we have to look at the past—the fossil record that shows the many life-forms that have existed over earth’s history—to find transitions from one species to another.

So sonoflucifer , why are you letting the past define your future ?



I was just refuting your statement



My blog has 3.03 million views , so bro that's a really bad joke

plaetton:


Actually god does have updates from to time.
I think you guys call them prophets. These are people/clowns who from time to time come to update god's operating software.

Jesus was not just an update, but a new operating system entirely.

KingEbukasBlog:


The prophets obtain knowledge of the future from God - prescience - and guide the people in line with God's word . Christ indeed came with an 'update' but he was not an entirely new 'operating system' because he has always existed with God and the Holy Spirit as one .

You seem to agree that Christ did exist . Cos I can't deal with proliferation of atheists who constantly deny this clear fact

KingEbukasBlog:


I dont get your point . You are arguing for species and Im arguing for genus . Lesser number of the total number of animals if the genus is considered , same for family (much lesser number of animals) .

KingEbukasBlog:

Evolve from what . The article does not postulate evolution , you are the one postulating evolution and you are having a mishmash of conflated ideas .

plaetton:


Christ exists in everyone, if you truly understand what the Christos means. I doubt that you ever would, for as long you are of the Christian religion.

However, whether Jesus existed , there is absolutely no proof.

KingEbukasBlog:


. This is an obsolete argument of which I dont want to start . Jesus existed here on earth . Currently archaeologists are making auspicious efforts to determine the facial appearance of Jesus . Try to keep up

KingEbukasBlog:


. This is an obsolete argument of which I dont want to start . Jesus existed here on earth . Currently archaeologists are making auspicious efforts to determine the facial appearance of Jesus . Try to keep up

CoolUsername:


I WAS arguing for species until you clarified that you meant
genera (genus).



You've argued yourself into a corner. If you truly meant genera then HOW did those animals become the diverse species we have today? If not by evolution the HOW? The bible doesn't say another creation took place, so HOW?

EDIT: Grammar. Note to self: Don't type while hungry.

plaetton:


Lol @ " archeologists are making AUSPICIOUS efforts to determine the facial appearance of Jesus " .

KingEbukasBlog:


Lolz . I was shocked though at the errors ....

Simple ... because speciation was done during the time of creation . Each species seemed to be fixed. There seemed no way in which
one species could give rise to another . You are arguing from the evolution's angle - which says speciation occurs slowly over a long period of time - such has not been observed .

CoolUsername:



My keyboard's keys are messed up, I was hungry. So it was basically a recipe for disaster.

Speciation HAS been observed in fruit flies, actually, but it took 20 generations.

Anyway, there seems to be some confusion here and I'm don't really get where you're coming from anymore. So let me ask you, how did we move from 50,000 animals representing the genera we have today to 6 million species of animals in 4,000 years?

KingEbukasBlog:



Its a scientific myth . There has been no Fruit fly evolution even after 600 generations

KingEbukasBlog:

Its simple , the vast majority of the 8.7 million species are capable of surviving in water and would not need to be brought aboard the ark. Noah need make no provision for the 21,000 species of fish or the 1,700 tunicates (marine chordates like sea squirts) found throughout the seas of the world, or the 600 echinoderms including star fish and sea urchins, or the 107,000 mollusks such as mussels, clams and oysters, or the 10,000 coelenterates like corals and sea anemones, jelly fish and hydroids or the 5,000 species of sponges, or the 30,000 protozoans, the microscopic single-celled creatures.

The article needs to be updated , there are actually 8.7 million species of animals/fishes/birds

CoolUsername:


I can't believe I have to post this again

William R. Rice and George W. Salt found experimental evidence of sympatric speciationin the common fruit fly. They collected apopulation of Drosophila melanogaster from Davis, California and placed the pupae into a habitat maze. Newborn flies had to investigate the maze to find food. The flies had three choices to take in finding food. Light and dark (phototaxis), up and down (geotaxis), and the scent of acetaldehyde and the scent of ethanol (chemotaxis) were the three options. This eventually divided the flies into 42 spatio-temporal habitats.
They then cultured two strains that chose
opposite habitats. One of the strains emerged
early, immediately flying upward in the dark
attracted to the acetaldehyde. The other strain
emerged late and immediately flew downward,
attracted to light and ethanol. Pupae from the
two strains were then placed together in the
maze and allowed to mate at the food site.

They then were collected. A selective penalty was imposed on the female flies that switched habitats. This entailed that none of their gametes would pass on to the next generation. After 25 generations of this mating test, it showed reproductive isolation between the two strains. They repeated the experiment again without creating the penalty against habitat switching and the result was the same; reproductive isolation was produced.

KingEbukasBlog:
@ CoolUsername . @The_Bible_Geek asked some interesting questions on Twitter on evolution . Can you answer them ?

1.How can evolutionists circumvent the demands of the Hardy-Weinberg law?

2. Isn't it true that the basic axiom of science is one phenomenon, one explanation?

3. If evolution is right, why so many explanations. Darwinism, neo-Darwinism, punctuated equilibrium, symbiogenesis, and neutral mutation wrd?

4 why is Motoo Kimura's theory of neutral mutation with random drift the current favored hypothesis among evolutionists?

5. If there is such a thing as "natural selection", then why are 30 percent of the genes in a genome polymorphic?

6. 99.9% of mutations are deleterious. How can evolution work upstream?

7. Nucleotides and proteins are entirely different molecules. How can evolution explain the concomitant production of one by the other?

8. Organic complex compound caller luciferin. is produced inside its metabolism... How could NS manufacturer such a compound?

KingEbukasBlog:


I dey lie ? Its been successful so far and more positive results are expected so its auspicious

We currently have an idea of what Jesus looked like when he was on earth not not the white-looking-hair-flowing one he was purported to be

KingEbukasBlog:


I was not there so I can make only intellectual inferences

1. The young ones of most animals could have been taken in - they are smaller in size . E.g : young one of an elephant vs an adult elephant

2. Some animals Noah did not take in may have survived the flood . Legends say men eg Tubal Cain survived the flood so animals may have survived too

3. kinds refer to genus , and species come under genus in the taxonomic rank . So 50,000 genus means more animal species were taken into the ark

jayriginal:


Now you want to claim science for the face of Jesus so you can say science proves Jesus, but reject science when it goes against your beliefs.
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dalaman:


This is the problem I have with you guys. You lie all the time even to your selves.

1. The bible does not talk about taking any Young animal. It is just the making of apologist in trying to make sense of clear and ridiculous absurdities.

2. The bible clearly stated that everything that was not inside the ark died, why are you lying to yourself by not accepting what the bible says?

3. Kind does not refer to genus anywhere. It is simply the making of the apologist.

KingEbukasBlog:


You lie to yourself too . Evolutionists pick up bones and see caves then create imaginary ancestors of animals and attempt to create an establish their lifestyle and you don't seem to have any problem with it .

Try googling "why are women weak evolution " , a pop-corn by your side off course as you read through

dalaman:


Will you keep quiet? Where have you ever seen me arguing in favor of evolution? I just hate the lies you spew all the time. You claim the bible is the word of God but are always quick to throw it away, ad things to it or deny what it says all in your quest to explain it's absurdities.

analice107:
^^^And, what were the last species to evolve? From what did they evolve to?
What species are undergoing evolution right now, who is observing this process?

- Over many, many generations this process slowly creates new species - members of a population become so far removed genetically, that they can no longer reproduce with one another.

KingEbukasBlog:


You dont refute evolution when its been addressed by a fellow atheist . You do not denigrate the theory and you always objurgate Christians whenever we explain or try to dispel misconceptions you guys have . I'm trying to explain to CoolUsername how possibly a myriad of species of animals were accommodated in the Ark and you just came in and described a biblical event as an absurdity . Stay classy man , stay classy .

Your rants will not change the FACT that the Flood took place

cloudgoddess:

However evolution is directly observed with fruit flies (usually drosophila melanogaster) and bacteria (usually e. coli) in biology labs across the world; since those species have short generation times (20 minutes for e.coli, 7 days for drosophila) and their DNA is easy to sequence (simplier organisms = less DNA). The organisms are allowed to reproduce for many, many generations, then their DNA is examined for the expected changes.

dalaman:


You are not explaining anything to him. You are just lying because the explanation you are putting forth goes against what the bible has stated, the bible clearly said only those in the ark survived, while you are saying that some animals might have survived.

KingEbukasBlog:


[size=20pt]I was not there so I can make only intellectual inferences[/size]

1. The young ones of most animals could have been taken in - they are smaller in size . E.g : young one of an elephant vs an adult elephant

2. Some animals Noah did not take in may have survived the flood . Legends say men eg Tubal Cain survived the flood so animals may have survived too

3. kinds refer to genus , and species come under genus in the taxonomic rank . So 50,000 genus means more animal species were taken into the ark

The flood only happened in the pages of the bible not in reality.