You were not there? Was the person that wrote the mythical story there? Why are you all over the place? What has Einstein got to do with the flood myth written inside the bible?
Again a poor sense of deduction .
No one was there to witness it because it never happened.
Your questions simply means that you still don't get it. You read, but failed to understand the op.
I don't blame you through. Because you have very little idea of what she is talking about. We have a very poor science education in Nigeria, so most Nigerians are scientifically illiterate or semiliterate.
Now, if you are sincere in your questions, then go ahead and take time to study the subject.
Nairaland religious section might not be the ideal place to start your scientific education.
The usuals. when you ask a question about what they say, even though it sounds mundane, instead of askng for the questioner to clarify his questions, the ridicule everything around them which is outside the purpose of the post... and then either direct you to read the whole library of books as if you dont have anything to do but to read read your brains out... so much for teachable attitude
The usuals. when you ask a question about what they say, even though it sounds mundane, instead of askng for the questioner to clarify his questions, the ridicule everything around them which is outside the purpose of the post... and then either direct you to read the whole library of books as if you dont have anything to do but to read read your brains out... so much for teachable attitude
Lol @ then they direct you to read the whole library of books . .
The usuals. when you ask a question about what they say, even though it sounds mundane, instead of askng for the questioner to clarify his questions, the ridicule everything around them which is outside the purpose of the post... and then either direct you to read the whole library of books as if you dont have anything to do but to read read your brains out... so much for teachable attitude
No one is here on NL religious section to teach you the theory of evolution.
It is just common sense that before you criticize a scientific theory or anything else for that matter, you do yourself a big favor by carefully studying the subject matter.
Coming here with a Sunday school mindset, and then expecting to be taught here what other smart people learn in science class, is just silliness.
This fruitflies and bacteria, since their life span is very low so that evolution can be observed. My question is how can such organism be used to relate to man which is on a completely different rational reasoning and biologically different level from this things...
No one is here on NL religious section to teach you the theory of evolution.
It is just common sense that before you criticize a scientific theory or anything else for that matter, you do yourself a big favor by carefully studying the subject matter.
Coming here with a Sunday school mindset, and then expecting to be taught here what other smart people learn in science class, is just silliness.
Its just #commonsense to be courteous enough to ask the questioner to clarify what he is asking. Its just #commonsense to be mature enough to be patient with whomever you are dealing with. Its just #commonsense to be understanding that as we have different levels of access to somethings, those with the "full" should be ready to bring those they feel are not upto them with some level of decorum. Its just #commonsense to know that not all sense is common!
what makes their DNA to cause them to live for a few hours or days while men live longer... what is that "thing" in the DNA that differentiates US from THEM!
This fruitflies and bacteria, since their life span is very low so that evolution can be observed. My question is how can such organism be used to relate to man which is on a completely different rational reasoning and biologically different level from this things...
Good question!
Because all life forms, no matter how complex, operate via the same basic principles. When you go down to the cellular level, a fruit fly or bacteria cell and a human cell contain the same general mechanisms for: the copying of its genetic material, the succeptability to mutations, the transport of specific nutrients in and out of the cell membrane, the copying of itself during cell division, and more.
The ability of man to reason and our means of reproduction are both just highly developed processes of many microscopic cells working together in tandem (for example, thoughts and emotions are a product of many nerve cells communicating with eachother through chemical signals called neurotransmitters). A more organized collection of "bacteria" if you will (disregarding the obvious differences in cell size and specialized cell components). A cell is a cell.
Since evolution operates at the cellular level, via mutation, duplication, and inheritance (which then outwardly expresses itself over time on the macroscopic level), and since human cells possess the same mechanisms as a fruit fly's cells or a bacterias cells, or the cell of any other living organism, then it follows that we are subject to the same forces.
The beauty of learning biology is that you come to understand how connected all life on earth really is. The fruit fly for example was used to study circadian rhythm, or our natural cycles of sleeping and waking, because they too have a biological clock. E.coli bacteria and fruit flies are called model organisms in the biology world because they allow us to test certain things that can in many useful cases be extrapolated to how our bodies and cells work, and then applied to medicine and other fields.
when was the last recorded reproduction between man and whatever in biology that "become so far removed genetically that man and the "thing" can no longer reproduce with the other "thing" and what is THAT "thing"?
Well, there were several. At the top of this phylogenic tree there is a scale showing the millions of years ago each species arose. Each hypothetical "last recorded reproduction" as you said, is where one phylogenic liniege splits into two (called speciation). As you can see, starting from the most recent common ancestor of humans and chimpanzees or bonobos, that has happened several times before getting to us - Homo sapiens (at the very bottom).
Evolution is a branch-like process, new branches growing out of pre-existing roots. The writings on the left connected to the pink lines describe the new traits that arose along the way as a result of natural selection, which preceeded each speciation.
Its just #commonsense to be courteous enough to ask the questioner to clarify what he is asking. Its just #commonsense to be mature enough to be patient with whomever you are dealing with. Its just #commonsense to be understanding that as we have different levels of access to somethings, those with the "full" should be ready to bring those they feel are not upto them with some level of decorum. Its just #commonsense to know that not all sense is common!
I apologise on behalf of the impatient atheists on NL. However, if you have been on NL for long you'll understand the reason behind the impatience.
Since 2012 that I dropped religion, myself and a lot of people here have tried to enlighten theists on concepts like the theory of evolution with little or no success.
so why bother anymore? If you are interested in considering a different view, why not go and find it yourself?
Sarassin: 75 Years ago naturalists observed that bats catch moths. Then came the discovery that bats produce sounds inaudible to the human ear and use echoes to locate their prey.
Now it appears that not only have moths developed soundproofing, but that they have ears specifically designed to listen in to an approaching enemy transmitter. To counter this advance, bats developed an irregular flight path, which confused the moths until they in turn came up with an ultrasonic jamming device. But bats still catch moths, and we wait to discover the next development in this drama of nature. This is evolution in action.
Sounds like the bats and moths were always that way.
Molecular biology and biochemistry can be formed by various molecules of life to study the biological genetic relationship. These molecules include ribonucleic acid (RNA) and deoxyribonucleic acid (DNA), protein and sugar etc..
cloudgoddess: I have studied this topic on and off for the three years I've been in school, and am now taking an evolutionary biology course at a public university in the US. I wanted to create this thread because from browsing these forums I have seen that there is a lot of ignorance and miseducation surrounding the topic of evolution. Many of it is the same false misconceptions that are passed on by religious leaders to promote belief in religious explanations of nature. In my opinion, these misinformation is hurting our people because it keeps us from understanding what the rest of the advanced societies already understand. I want to address these misconceptions so that we can start to begin our discussions involving religion and science from a common ground of knowledge.
One of the most hindering misconceptions to understanding evolution, is that evolution is not valid because we only have a theory and not a law. I want to make these two things clear upfront: Laws are NOT applicable and make no sense in the context of biology - only math/physics. and The word "Theory" in science has a very different meaning than the layman's term.
Biology operates based on collections of primarily non-mathematical facts. For example, "Cells are the fundamental units of life" "Cells use nutrients obtained from the environment to make copies of themselves and their DNA" "DNA has a double-helix structure kept together by hydrogen bonds" "Alleles are passed on in different frequencies every generation" "Organisms can possess traits that help or hinder their survival"
Scientific theories are the most thorough set of explanations currently existing, that encompass and make sense of all of the facts related to the observed phenomenon at hand. Scientific theories are not the same as GUESSES or HYPOTHESES. The definition of a scientific theory is COMPLETELY DIFFERENT than that of the word "theory" in layman's terms. People seem to be very unaware that the word has two definitions, so I will define it here:
A "theory" in layman's terms is "a conjecture, an opinion, a speculation or an assumption based on limited information or experience, not necessarily on facts."
A SCIENTIFIC THEORY is "a well-substantiated explanation of some aspect of the natural world, based on a body of facts that have been repeatedly confirmed through observation and experiment."
They are almost completely opposite meanings.
The Theory of Evolution EXPLAINS the biological FACTS that comprise the natural process of evolution. Here are some of those FACTS: - Cells are the fundamental units of life and all of those cells contain genetic material. - The collection of genetic material each organism posseses changes slightly from generation to generation because of mutations and genetic mixing via sex or other reproductive means. - The genetic traits that contribute to or do not harm an organism's survival in its specific environment get passed on to succeeding generations. Traits that are deleterious to survival eventually eliminated from the gene pool of that population. - Over many, many generations this process slowly creates new species - members of a population become so far removed genetically, that they can no longer reproduce with one another. - This explains why we dig up ancient fossils of organisms that look very different than the ones currently living, yet still share some similarities (indicating common ancestry). - This explains why we see organisms that are extremely well-matched to their present environments and biological niches - and why the "well-matched" organisms of the past are not the same "well-matched" organisms of the present. - This explains why habitat destruction or tampering of any kind can be so harmful to wildlife. - This explains why bacterial populations grown for thousands of generations in a lab became more and more genetically adapted to their environment each generation (experiment done by Dr. Richard E. Lenski, Michigan State University). - This explains why DNA and RNA are the molecular units of genetic material present in every single organism on earth, and why organisms that share similarities in behavior, morphology, reproduction, etc, usually share very similar gene sequences.
The definition of evolution is simply the gradual change in traits of populations, through generations, over time.
Since Jean Baptiste Lamarck published the first cohesive theory describing evolution in the 1700s, and then Darwin (1800s) added some major changes with his discovery of natural selection as the means of evolution (rather than Lamarck's model of acquired characteristics) we have only been finding MORE and MORE FACTS supporting the theory.
This is why the theory still exists and has not lost its validity despite the high scrutiny of today's advanced scientific world. This is why it's still being researched heavily in every developed country (the US, Canada, Sweden, Japan, Germany, UK, just to name a few), why the top universities in the world all have an evolutionary biology department (including Harvard, Princeton, Stanford, Campbridge, Columbia), this is why every peer-reviewed biological and medical research journal has tens to hundreds of thousands of hits for studies confirming evolution: PLOS Biology PubMed Wiley Online Library
It is a confirmed fact (to the extent that humanity is able to confirm anything) that evolution is happening and has happened for all of life, that is not a matter of opinion. The very large amount of evidence we have does not point in any other direction. The Theory of Evolution as it stands today is simply humanity's latest and most refined description of that process and how it operates.
Thank you for reading.
Kudos but may I ask the evolutionists ,How did first protein d building block of life originate?I guess theory of evolution has no answer to this until then i won't believe this trash called evolution.
Kudos but may I ask the evolutionists ,How did first protein d building block of life originate?I guess theory of evolution has no answer to this until then i won't believe this trash called evolution.
Your question is in regards to abiogenesis - a completely different topic than evolution. Evolution describes how the very first primordial life forms on earth over time gave rise to the varied and more complex life forms we see now. Abiogenesis describes the means by which those first, original life forms arose to begin with. And all present evidence points towards abiogenesis having occured by natural means - a result of physical and chemical laws that acted on early earth - not any supernatural "poofing".
But whatever questions remain about abiogenesis do not affect ANY of the facts presented by evolution. Regardless of how the first life forms got here, we still know that once they did, they evolved.
With this your theory we can simply say 1) Advanced countries willingly use evolution theory to misslead third world countries since they know whatever advanced countries bring to them is right 2) Evolution theory targets creationists and creator 3) Theory of evolution is most known scientific theory among the communers 4) Many communers being laymen dont know if evolution theory remains unproved theory or not they just adopted it 5)Many communers accept it, trust it, believe it and see themselves as highly informed persons 6) The evolutionists get rewards and recognations from the theory that misled millions of people 6) It is almost impossible to change those who have believed it, because that is sure knolegde they can be proud of 7) The evolutionists are biased in presentation of evolution theory and other scientific theories 8.) Evolutionists use double standard 9)Evolutionists indiretly claiming to be god 10) Evolutionists using theory as Mind Control Techniques (MCT)...Am I right?
ogechieku: With this your theory we can simply say 1) Advanced countries willingly use evolution theory to misslead third world countries since they know whatever advanced countries bring to them is right 2) Evolution theory targets creationists and creator 3) Theory of evolution is most known scientific theory among the communers 4) Many communers being laymen dont know if evolution theory remains unproved theory or not they just adopted it 5)Many communers accept it, trust it, believe it and see themselves as highly informed persons 6) The evolutionists get rewards and recognations from the theory that misled millions of people 6) It is almost impossible to change those who have believed it, because that is sure knolegde they can be proud of 7) The evolutionists are biased in presentation of evolution theory and other scientific theories 8.) Evolutionists use double standard 9)Evolutionists indiretly claiming to be god 10) Evolutionists using theory as Mind Control Techniques (MCT)...Am I right?
What have you been smoking? From my perspective this all sounds like deluded nonsense, and I mean that in the least insulting way possible. But assuming you are not high...
The theory of evolution was not devised on a whim as a plan to take over the world like religions are (show me anyone who is killing people in the name of evolution?) It was discovered coincidentally as brilliant thinkers were trying to answer questions that arose as they carefully observed nature. Like why there were fossils of animals that don't exist anymore. And why many animals that exist presently have no fossil evidence in lower rock layers (indicating they did not exist in the past). Why organisms are so adapted to the environments they are in, and how those adaptations came about.
Many scientists have presented different ideas throughout history, but evolution is the one that stood the test of time, serious inquiry, and evidence. There is no other theory, no other explanation that thoroughly and reliably answers those questions better than evolution. Every single thing we observe in nature (for those who actually care to observe nature, not just say "god did it" and then turn their attention back to the pastor) is exactly what we would expect to see if evolution was happening, and had been happening for the past 3.6 billion years.
If ANYONE were to present a BETTER answer and provide valid evidence that supports it, THEY WOULD WIN A NOBEL PRIZE. There are literal millions of scientific papers now describing in detail experiments and studies that support evolution. If you have a better answer that explains all of the questions I presented earlier, in addition to many others such as: - why bacterial colonies cultured for 50,000 generations wind up with completely different trait frequencies than their ancestors - why we don't find any human fossils in the same level of rock as dinosaur fossils - why humans and gorillas literally share over 96% of our genetic sequences - why human beings, as do many other animals, have organs and structures in our morphology that our species no longer uses (called vestigial structures)
If you have an answer that explains ALL of this in vivid detail, GO AND CLAIM YOUR PRIZE. Your answer would completely change the world of science, medicine, and biology as we know it and you would be famous.
I thought you said you are educated, I dont have high school certificate believe me, but my common sense is equal to some technically trained people's. Let me repeat some of the things i said in another way and pick one of them for your thesis/assertion. 1) More than a decade ago it was revealed that Nigeria is most religious country in the World 2)After the evolution theory landed in Nigeria, many Nigerian youths started claiming atheists 3) Do you know, the evolution theory is to break down degree at which third world countries believe in God? 4) evolution theory is Mind Control Techniques as it helps in changing peoples' mind from common direction 5) Some young peoples are now claiming to be wiser than everyone around them because of evolutionary theory which makes them believe in no supernatural 6) if there is no supernatural, but common sense tells us that we are inteligently designed, SO,who designed us? sooner the evolutionists will introduce us to our maker if things go as they planned. Common sense?
I tried to reply when you responded to my first 10 points, i could browse other websites but i couldnt open nairaland page...i collected someone's line and it logged me into my nairaland account. What does that mean? It could me someone maybe evolutionists who have power to block me did that because my points dont go well with them. Why that? point 7) many creationists who believed in supernatural given them insight were intimidated by the evolutionists
ogechieku: I thought you said you are educated, I dont have high school certificate believe me, but my common sense is equal to some technically trained people's. Let me repeat some of the things i said in another way and pick one of them for your thesis/assertion. 1) More than a decade ago it was revealed that Nigeria is most religious country in the World 2)After the evolution theory landed in Nigeria, many Nigerian youths started claiming atheists 3) Do you know, the evolution theory is to break down degree at which third world countries believe in God? 4) evolution theory is Mind Control Techniques as it helps in changing peoples' mind from common direction 5) Some young peoples are now claiming to be wiser than everyone around them because of evolutionary theory which makes them believe in no supernatural 6) if there is no supernatural, but common sense tells us that we are inteligently designed, SO,who designed us? sooner the evolutionists will introduce us to our maker if things go as they planned. Common sense?
Only a thoroughly brainwashed mind could interpret mere science education as a mind-control technique. Any person is free to research the evidence backing evolution themselves, no one is holding a gun to anyone's head to accept it. The reason people are accepting it is because it MAKES SENSE when actually studied. Which I am certain you have not spent even 3 minutes doing.
Kingebukasblog, are you here defending the big boat story? The holy spirit revealed to others that it was an allegory, I suggest you get with him. Or maybe all of you Abrahamics should get together and formulate a concerted response. It sad to see the holy ghost tell someone that is an allegory and leave you hanging.
Only a thoroughly brainwashed mind could interpret mere science education as a mind-control technique. Any person is free to research the evidence backing evolution themselves, no one is holding a gun to anyone's head to accept it. The reason people are accepting it is because it MAKES SENSE when actually studied. Which I am certain you have not spent even 3 minutes doing.
I am really geting disappointed in every one of your responses. I cant believe that a scientist, a highly trained person in field of science couldnt be far better than a lady who does not have high sch certificate. Your responses are not scientific in any and alway sound like someone who lacks home training. Anyway, anyone that leaves Nigeria to that place you are becomes rude and uncultured. Many of my questions are scietific but none of your responses is scietific. If you cant be scietific and polite let stop here.
ogechieku: I am really geting disappointed in every one of your responses. I cant believe that a scientist, a highly trained person in field of science couldnt be far better than a lady who does not have high sch certificate. Your responses are not scientific in any and alway sound like someone who lacks home training. Anyway, anyone that leaves Nigeria to that place you are becomes rude and uncultured. Many of my questions are scietific but none of your responses is scietific. If you cant be scietific and polite let stop here.
Weah96: Kingebukasblog, are you here defending the big boat story? The holy spirit revealed to others that it was an allegory, I suggest you get with him. Or maybe all of you Abrahamics should get together and formulate a concerted response. It sad to see the holy ghost tell someone that is an allegory and leave you hanging.
Obviously Christian peeps think it is allegorical . The ark being Jesus and the flood being the judgement of God against Mankind . Jesus came to save the world right ?
A Global flood and a giant ark which can contain all - can you see the correlation between the purpose of Jesus on earth and the "allegorical" Noah's ark story
No one is here on NL religious section to teach you the theory of evolution.
It is just common sense that before you criticize a scientific theory or anything else for that matter, you do yourself a big favor by carefully studying the subject matter.
Coming here with a Sunday school mindset, and then expecting to be taught here what other smart people learn in science class, is just silliness.
The things i learnt about evolution is that, life has been evolving for billions of years, climate change is natural and the extinction of species is also natural since billions of years. 150 species are being extinct everyday and also evolving, only human activities speeds up the process.
cloudgoddess: I have studied this topic on and off for the three years I've been in school, and am now taking an evolutionary biology course at a public university in the US. I wanted to create this thread because from browsing these forums I have seen that there is a lot of ignorance and miseducation surrounding the topic of evolution. Many of it is the same false misconceptions that are passed on by religious leaders to promote belief in religious explanations of nature. In my opinion, these misinformation is hurting our people because it keeps us from understanding what the rest of the advanced societies already understand. I want to address these misconceptions so that we can start to begin our discussions involving religion and science from a common ground of knowledge.
One of the most hindering misconceptions to understanding evolution, is that evolution is not valid because we only have a theory and not a law. I want to make these two things clear upfront: Laws are NOT applicable and make no sense in the context of biology - only math/physics. and The word "Theory" in science has a very different meaning than the layman's term.
Biology operates based on collections of primarily non-mathematical facts. For example, "Cells are the fundamental units of life" "Cells use nutrients obtained from the environment to make copies of themselves and their DNA" "DNA has a double-helix structure kept together by hydrogen bonds" "Alleles are passed on in different frequencies every generation" "Organisms can possess traits that help or hinder their survival"
Scientific theories are the most thorough set of explanations currently existing, that encompass and make sense of all of the facts related to the observed phenomenon at hand. Scientific theories are not the same as GUESSES or HYPOTHESES. The definition of a scientific theory is COMPLETELY DIFFERENT than that of the word "theory" in layman's terms. People seem to be very unaware that the word has two definitions, so I will define it here:
A "theory" in layman's terms is "a conjecture, an opinion, a speculation or an assumption based on limited information or experience, not necessarily on facts."
A SCIENTIFIC THEORY is "a well-substantiated explanation of some aspect of the natural world, based on a body of facts that have been repeatedly confirmed through observation and experiment."
They are almost completely opposite meanings.
The Theory of Evolution EXPLAINS the biological FACTS that comprise the natural process of evolution. Here are some of those FACTS: - Cells are the fundamental units of life and all of those cells contain genetic material. - The collection of genetic material each organism posseses changes slightly from generation to generation because of mutations and genetic mixing via sex or other reproductive means. - The genetic traits that contribute to or do not harm an organism's survival in its specific environment get passed on to succeeding generations. Traits that are deleterious to survival eventually eliminated from the gene pool of that population. - Over many, many generations this process slowly creates new species - members of a population become so far removed genetically, that they can no longer reproduce with one another. - This explains why we dig up ancient fossils of organisms that look very different than the ones currently living, yet still share some similarities (indicating common ancestry). - This explains why we see organisms that are extremely well-matched to their present environments and biological niches - and why the "well-matched" organisms of the past are not the same "well-matched" organisms of the present. - This explains why habitat destruction or tampering of any kind can be so harmful to wildlife. - This explains why bacterial populations grown for thousands of generations in a lab became more and more genetically adapted to their environment each generation (experiment done by Dr. Richard E. Lenski, Michigan State University). - This explains why DNA and RNA are the molecular units of genetic material present in every single organism on earth, and why organisms that share similarities in behavior, morphology, reproduction, etc, usually share very similar gene sequences.
The definition of evolution is simply the gradual change in traits of populations, through generations, over time.
Since Jean Baptiste Lamarck published the first cohesive theory describing evolution in the 1700s, and then Darwin (1800s) added some major changes with his discovery of natural selection as the means of evolution (rather than Lamarck's model of acquired characteristics) we have only been finding MORE and MORE FACTS supporting the theory.
This is why the theory still exists and has not lost its validity despite the high scrutiny of today's advanced scientific world. This is why it's still being researched heavily in every developed country (the US, Canada, Sweden, Japan, Germany, UK, just to name a few), why the top universities in the world all have an evolutionary biology department (including Harvard, Princeton, Stanford, Campbridge, Columbia), this is why every peer-reviewed biological and medical research journal has tens to hundreds of thousands of hits for studies confirming evolution: PLOS Biology PubMed Wiley Online Library
It is a confirmed fact (to the extent that humanity is able to confirm anything) that evolution is happening and has happened for all of life, that is not a matter of opinion. The very large amount of evidence we have does not point in any other direction. The Theory of Evolution as it stands today is simply humanity's latest and most refined description of that process and how it operates.
theEYe21: The things i learnt about evolution is that, life has been evolving for billions of years, climate change is natural and the extinction of species is also natural since billions of years. 150 species are being extinct everyday and also evolving, only human activities speeds up the process.
That is correct
Climate change and extinctions have occured throughout Earth's history. But never at this speed or due to unnatural causes like human industrialization.
There are many resilient species that will still survive & evolve despite climate change. But we humans may not be as lucky.
