HardMirror:
Infact. It is easier for a dedicated christian to become an atheist than an unserious christian.

Word!

This is the genesis of the revelation.

If any Christian in the house doubts this, let him/her stand up to his/her faith and ask question, seek answers.

Then all you hold in high esteem will come crashing down.

this op, abeg come and give us the epilogue joor...what kind of inconclusive story is this one na....Nna bros we want to know where Brother Paul did auto-reverse and suddenly changed to Saul...please hurry oo....tomorrow na work. ..

Wow! How fast relationships fall apart. The relationship that took you years to build ended through one year research?
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I cannot sleep!

Op, while you were busy doing all these 'works', who was praying for you? Or was it that you had become a macho?
You became offended in Christ and his father because he chose not to heal the blind monarch or tell you why?
Why were you offended; did you ask the man to receive his sight in your name? How we easily fall when our zeal becomes knowledge deficient.

I will be frank with you bro; you have a gift, you experienced the working of God's Spirit and you felt it was common and explained it away. Perhaps, a fruit of the Spirit as 'simple' as Patience would still have kept you in the race. A lesson to church leaders again: the fact that someone is zealous doesn't mean spiritual responsibilities should be immediately committed to him.

Today you are here to weaken the faith of many and encourage apostacy; destroying the initial foundation God helped you raise in your early days. Often times, our achievements, spiritual, on campus are our best in our life time. John the Baptist was offended once, Christ pointed it out and encouraged people not to be. He then spoke many wonderful things about him (John the Baptist). I believe there is still a place for you in him too, if your denial of the working of the Spirit wasn't a deliberate act to trivialize the power of God's Spirit. 'If ye shall return to him, ye shall be built; he will heal your backsliding...'.

Please, retrace your steps back to him and, this time, be very careful; your life first, then your ministry.
Some that were not in the faith are finding their way into it, a potential general like you has moved out and now the first is becoming last while the last first. This should not be you! 'I pummel my body and put it under, lest after I have preached to others, I myself should be cast away'.

I hope I can catch some sleep now...

urahara:


There is no way to refute a god or creator.
And my point is there is no way to refute multiple creators.

So our question is why go for a single creator why not for multiple creators

"Why do you chose to question my choice?" is the perfect answer to your question.

But better still simply ask yourself why go for multiple creators why not for a single creator.

freecocoa:
So they stole your laptop and you ended up just dashing babalawo money, you fvcked up o.

9NI had a similar experience in my final year in secondary school.

My purse with money, phone and one of my dad's sim card in it, was stolen in the hall after our mock exam one day, and I knew I was in big trouble because of that sim card. That's how some people told me of one woman somewhere, who sees past events in a mirror, my friends suggested we go, (even though I have never been one to believe in juju,it always caused a fight between me and my people even as a teenager then, I couldn't explain anything explicitly o but it just never made sense) but see me na, a desperate and angry girl, I forward marched to the place with my squad.

On getting there, the mamalawo's receptionist told us she doesn't come out till 4 pm(i never knew we had vampire babalawos/mamalawos till that day), we were made to wait and after what seemed like eons, the orobo woman came out, led us into one smelly small hut, I could see my friends getting scared but I was silently praying this woman please be the real deal. She asked me what brought us, I explained, she said I'd pay a certain fee I don't remember the exact amount, I did, then she instructed us to go buy white kola nuts, alligator pepper and some sort of native chalk, we went, bought the items came back, handed them over and she asked me if I wanted the person mad or dead, after singing one fake song she just composed right there, I was like , madam I just want my purse and things in it ni.

There I was, hoping that this woman would show me who stole my stuff in the mirror, only for this oloriburuku of a woman to say that, there's no other way, that it's either the person dies or runs mad, Tbh I felt like puncturing her fat stomach that day for wasting my time and money but I just told her to forget about the whole thing, all she was able to achieve was give me proof of all the talk about juju being hogwash.

Anyways what am I saying? I'm saying that, if we humans can decide not to hurt people who genuinely wronged us, then a god who decides to burn people in an endless fire for doing absolutely nothing, but exercise their freewill of not choosing to worship him, then he is not only a psychopath but a dumb one at that and the idea of such a god, should be vehemently discouraged.

YOUR STORY IS RELATEABLE

freecocoa:
Okay then.

Thank you for your time.

The pleasure is all mine.

Mindfulness:


I am not very fond of labels subscribing me to a particular world / God view or theory and even though pantheism makes a lot of sense to me, it has its limits too.

I am familiar with the wave-particle dualism.

Where do you want me to go from here / there?

Experiencing the realism of it. Reading makes a lot of sense. Take it a notch of further. Explore the other dimensions and interact with other beings outside of the confines of the third dimension. You are right, pantheism has its limitation, and do not stick to schools of thoughts. Be free, think free, I am sure you will figure this out. If God is what you seek. You know it already, but you havent figure it out. The human body is a vehicle, beyond any machine ever created by humans, with billions of neurons processing trillions if not quadrillions of electrical impulses and capable of awareness. The human brain enables the infinite to transition frequencies into 5 senses or even more. The chakras act like energy centers and the spinal cord like a coil.

Remember this always; We do not have a soul, we are soul. We have a body in order to experience life on earth, so we need the earthly body. Although we can see the earth and feel the earthly body using the physical senses, we also experience life in dreams using the ethereal body. Earthly body is just one of the many bodies, we need the earthly body to experience life in a 3D earth, we also have different bodies vibrating at higher frequencies to experience life in high frequency dimensions, many bodies. We shade anyone we can inhabit anymore for best experience, or when its no more functional or may be accidented and move on to operate on the next vehicle. That process is called death.

Simple experiment.
Look at a fan, may be standing fan, may be ceiling fan. Ypu can see the blade when it is not rotating, and the blade blocks your line of vision in that you cant see what is behind the blade, may be the wall. But when you turn on the fan at high frequency of rotation, you do not see the blade anymore, you can feel the breeze. And now you can see the wall behind the blade. It does appear the blade is invisible, its not, its just rotating at high frequency. Does this tell you something about unseen yet a presence of beings at higher dimension.

Keep looking, you will figure out the puzzle called God and the matrix called life. Its all a question of nomenclature. While there is no Being called God, there is actually a phenomena we could give that name, or we could chose anything to call it. We are it. Yes, soul is a spark of the creative force. Call it photon if it makes sense to you.

simplex2:


Word!

This is the genesis of the revelation.

If any Christian in the house doubts this, let him/her stand up to his/her faith and ask question, seek answers.

Then all you hold in high esteem will come crashing down.

And great joy will spring from the rubbles just as felt by the op.

All he holds in high esteem has fallen, but high esteems still stands.

Imaging when all that a man hold in high esteem falls, that's hell.

You can read the history of Espinosa, maybe it will help you a little.

Lolz seeing many funny comments and questions from my Atheist friends ( I am a christian to the bone)e.g why is it that God doesn't give armputees new legs? Lolz.....well he does ( to those who seek for it)......another, is the guy that quoted the bible's "we are the light of the world and lrt your light so shine before men" and Nigeria is the definition of darkness. Lolz.....i never knew christianity is the only religion in Nigeria and only chritians are at the helms of the countries affairs. Well it is good to have so much expectations from christianity.......




To my christian friends also, like my pastor will say " don't just accept what i give in church like a zombie , subject it to the wordof God".


May the peace of the Lord be with us all.

The spiritual realm is real.....and anybody can enter so far you have the means.

shoyemiayodeji:
Lolz seeing many funny comments and questions from my Atheist friends ( I am a christian to the bone)e.g why is it that God doesn't give armputees new legs? Lolz.....well he does ( to those who seek for it)......another, is the guy that quoted the bible's "we are the light of the world and lrt your light so shine before men" and Nigeria is the definition of darkness. Lolz.....i never knew christianity is the only religion in Nigeria and only chritians are at the helms of the countries affairs. Well it is good to have so much expectations from christianity.......






To my christian friends also, like my pastor will say " don't just accept what i give in church like a zombie , subject it to the wordof God".


May the peace of the Lord be with us all.

Since when did amputees start gettinv healed.

I laugh in. Arabic

Affluentkess:
op i have being reading your thread from the very first page eventhough i had to skip some,like being clearly stated deep thinker are astute.
Imagine the world believe there is no God, would this make this world a better place? coz mans natural ways is wicked even with advanced in knowledge couple with the facts that he die and that is end ......Even with the constitutional Law,a dead man cant pay for his crimes commited.

So let us tell the children the truth and the absolute truth. Telling lies is only making everything worse. Look at what that one small lie has done to Nigeria. The whole country is inundated with religion, and things are not improving. How many crimes can be traced back to the influence of religion? We already know of the Muslims. But how many have sought wealth because a preacher told them that it was a validation of their divine status?
Don't ever underestimate the power of the lie?

The pompous attitude of Christians have overfilled this topic,they are the first to open their gaping mouths to say op and all other atheists are wrong but yet have nothing to back it up than insults, emotional pleas, threats and preaching.. .

fabiano09:

wow! Clearly you've got a deep understanding of 'this thing of ours' lol,we are very much alike judging from all you wrote but as you said I havnt yet gone over the fence,Still lingering and searching,maybe one day I'll be free,but till then,still my heart wanders.

And that is okay You should give yourself a pat on the back for thinking seriously about these things. It's more than most can say. Wishing you well.

BiafranNigerian:
Experiencing the realism of it. Reading makes a lot of sense. Take it a notch of further. Explore the other dimensions and interact with other beings outside of the confines of the third dimension. You are right, pantheism has its limitation, and do not stick to schools of thoughts. Be free, think free, I am sure you will figure this out. If God is what you seek. You know it already, but you havent figure it out. The human body is a vehicle, beyond any machine ever created by humans, with billions of neurons processing trillions if not quadrillions of electrical impulses and capable of awareness. The human brain enables the infinite to transition frequencies into 5 senses or even more. The chakras act like energy centers and the spinal cord like a coil.

Remember this always; We do not have a soul, we are soul. We have a body. Earthly body is just one of the many bodies, we need the earthly body to experience life in a 3D earth, we also have different bodies vibrating at higher frequencies to experience life in high frequency dimensions, many bodies. We shade anyone we can inhabit anymore for best experience, or when its no more functional or may be accidented and move on to operate on the next vehicle. That process is called death.

Simple experiment.
Look at a fan, may be standing fan, may be ceiling fan. Ypu can see the blade when it is not rotating, and the blade blocks your line of vision in that you cant see what is behind the blade, may be the wall. But when you turn on the fan at high frequency of rotation, you do not see the blade anymore, you can feel the breeze. And now you can see the wall behind the blade. It does appear the blade is invisible, its not, its just rotating at high frequency. Does this tell you something about unseen yet a presence of beings at higher dimension.

Keep looking, you will figure out the puzzle called God and the matrix called life. Its all a question of nomenclature. While there is no Being called God, there is actually a phenomena we could give that name, or we could chose anything to call it. We are it. Yes, soul is a spark of the creative force. Call it photon if it makes sense to you.

I think we are very much on the same page.
I am not searching for God or Source (the label that I like better since the word God is so loaded), I have found God.
I have been approaching the topic from various perspectives - religious, spiritual, scientific - and to me God is best FELT in the silence of meditation.
All of my approaches to find God / Source have been rewarding and led to what I was looking for BUT the most effective and efficient was and remains to be meditation.

In the moment your mind becomes blank and free of thought and your body begins to feel like it is floating, it feels like ecstasy and you feel the POWER flowing in and through you.

Once a person TRULY understands that the Source is in each of us, life becomes magic since this innate knowledge, that the civilized (wo)man has lost, is extremely empowering and the secret to a wonderful life that so many struggle for when in fact it is ease that is the path to it.

I like your discussion of "the unseen". It resonates with me because it perfectly shows what I have experienced. I have been looking for something that at this point in human history can only be felt but the evidence of it has always been here. The world consists of opposites (in-between which there is a continuum) and if there is "the seen", there must also be "the unseen". If there is the physical, there must also be the nonphysical.

I think we are some of the lucky ones who have found and felt it and who can use it to enjoy life like it is supposed to.


Nice to meet you by the way.

urahara:



No where did he say it is impossible to be one . he is simply asking you why you believe the creator is 1 and not 1 million creators.

I'm simply tired of repeating the same simple question over and over again and getting unnecessary rigmarole without an answer.

they all think 1 is less an assumption than 200,000,000

wordcat:

My guy, I won't be fun debating with a muslim not to talk of muslims

before Allahu akbah and kadooooooom!!! right?

urahara:



Since when did amputees start gettinv healed.

I laugh in. Arabic

Good I guess you have to laugh again in Arabic when u go on Google search for miracles on the above case and come back here to say it is acted .

shoyemiayodeji:




Good I guess you have to laugh again in Arabic when u go on Google search for miracles on the above case and come back here to say it is acted .

Save uruhara and me some trouble and give us web links to regrown limbs using the power of a god (he or she or it)

But wait....what is more likely? That a man should lie or a web link or photoshops speak the truth ? I prefer raw evidence and trials to that

HardMirror:

Smart guy. You are on point there. This are all sub conscious psychology that makes christianity work.

Reading all ur texts so far seems like my own story. What u stated above is exactly one of the discoveries i made that propelled me out of religion. The Hindu believes as much as a muslim or christian believes.... Psychology of cold reading (for prophecy), some influence and hypnosis for the "papa" effect.....whenever I go to church now I do I to confirm how fickle the religious mind or human mind is.... Its sureal looking from the outside. Now understand how the muslim must have felt when I preached to him.....
Back to reading ur texts.

shoyemiayodeji:

Good I guess you have to laugh again in Arabic when u go on Google search for miracles on the above case and come back here to say it is acted .

Oh i just googled it and couldn't find 1 case of any deity healing an amputated limb with pictorial evidence.

but here



Science is doing what all the 4,000 deities humanity ever conceived cannot do do not even 1 real case!!!

That is really curious and funny!

Blescyn:
Can anybody direct me to the page he finally stated the reason for his conversion....i'm too lazy to read comments

Numbers 31:7-18

JustStardust:



Save uruhara and me some trouble and give us web links to regrown limbs using the power of a god (he or she or it)

But wait....what is more likely? That a man should lie or a web link or photoshops speak the truth ? I prefer raw evidence and trials to that

raw evidence huhhh... amputate your legs and come let me pray for you... nothing can be realer than you experiencing it yourself.. at least you will know its not acted.

johnydon22:


before Allahu akbah and kadooooooom!!! right?

If you have a friend who's a muslim, just try have an argument with him about his faith for like 5 minutes

nelsonoba:


Do I sound stressed to you? I'm certainly not! I don't belong to the class of some religious people who hate others and try to fight for their god. My God is not under any threat from you or anybody, He is God all by Himself, He doesn't need your approval of Him or your recognition of His sovereignty for Him to be God. What I feel is not stress, but great horror at the sight of what awaits you in eternity for the boldness to openly challenge the Almighty with the same brain and logical reasoning that He created and gave to you. One thing I know the devil for is the fact that he will use you and DUMP YOU! You are feeling cool with yourself because of the excess knowledge you think you have? Don't worry, God has seen and dealt with your type before, and your case is not new to Him. You will not be the first to deny Christ, and you will not be the last either, but like I said, by the time the devil is done using you and he feels he has no further need for your services, HE WILL DUMP YOU LIKE SHIT IS DUMPED IN A TOILET! By the time you find yourself after death in anguish and torment in hell and you see the same devil you are working for now being the one adding to your torment, you will swear and curse the day you denied Christ.

Like I said, I feel horror at what I know awaits you, not stress.

and you know Satan torments with that his long big fork!!!! He's really going to fork all we atheists up

H2Ossss:


raw evidence huhhh... amputate your legs and come let me pray for you... nothing can be realer than you experiencing it yourself.. at least you will know its not acted.

Sighs some answer. Pray for other things. Like power in Nigeria or bad leadership.Stop sounding silly. It doesn't suit you.

wordcat:


If you have a friend who's a muslim, just try have an argument with him about his faith for like 5 minutes

I don't have a close up muslim friend, you rarely find muslims this part of the country.

And i'm not gonna try it if you see the kind of animosity NL muslims argue with you'll understand that they have a very innate terrorist tendency in the name of Islam.

djdoxxx:
and you know Satan torments with that his long big fork!!!! He's really going to fork all we atheists up

I cant wait...

JustStardust:



Sighs some answer. Pray for other things. Like power in Nigeria or bad leadership.Stop sounding silly. It doesn't suit you.

and they move on to insults when they find out they have no smart comeback statement... hahahahahaha

H2Ossss:


and they move on to insults when they find out they have no smart comeback statement... hahahahahaha

Insults? Errr...

johnydon22:


I don't have a close up muslim friend, you rarely find muslims this part of the country.

And i'm not gonna try it if you see the kind of animosity NL muslims argue with you'll understand that they have a very innate terrorist tendency in the name of Islam.

Lol Good you know. Muslims are the worst people to argue with in any issue that has to do with religion

nelsonoba:


I can see how "exposed" you are......no wonder you a human being is thanking "doG"

You will know on your deathbed what you've done to yourself all your life.

Seems you see all nairalanders dying on a deathbed!!! Please, prophet, will I also die on a deathbed or by air cos the way I fly these days, been scared I would one day have a plane crash.