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Re: The Christian Doctrine Of Salvation And The World's Religions by tunisbaba(m): 3:11pm On May 29, 2016
thorpido:
Jesus' mission on earth was the redemption of man.
When Jesus was on the earth,He was a man because He took on the form of a man.As a man,He had the emotions and feelings of man and expressed such.His cry when He was to die was the expression of pain as a man.
Guy forget that.Even ordinary brainwashed suicide bombers do not cry or pray not die while about to carry out their bad quest which they believe will take them to heaven. Then why the mighty Jesus??. if Jesus can pray and cry not to die, after fully knowing that his death is equal to taking position at right hand side of God's throne and redemption for his follower sins; then I see a big flaw in the belief of Jesus dead for the world's sin.

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Re: The Christian Doctrine Of Salvation And The World's Religions by TheFirstLady: 3:16pm On May 29, 2016
sladonery:
John: 14.6. Jesus saith unto him, I am the way, the truth, and the life: no man cometh unto the Father, but by me.(kjv)

John: 3.16. For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life.(kjv)

Ephesians:1.5. Having predestinated us unto the adoption of children by Jesus Christ to himself, according to the good pleasure of his will. (kjv)

As simple as the plan of Salvation is, its always going to be a stumbling block for those not predestined.
apt! emphasis being on PREDESTINATION ~ those that belong to the tree of Life will all return to where they belong... it is all in the kinda seed! Salvation plan never will mean a thing to those who are the seed of knowledge of good and evil... You cannot carry the DNA match/print of the biological family you don't belong.
Re: The Christian Doctrine Of Salvation And The World's Religions by thorpido(m): 3:24pm On May 29, 2016
tunisbaba:

Guy forget that.Even ordinary brainwashed suicide bombers do not cry or pray not die while about to carry out their bad quest which they believe will take them to heaven. Then why the mighty Jesus??. if Jesus can pray and cry not to die, after fully knowing that his death is equal to taking position at right hand side of God's throne and redemption for his follower sins; then I see a big flaw in the belief of Jesus dead for the world's sin.
Oh well goodluck with your belief then.
Jesus said,'it is finished'.What is done cannot be undone.
It doesn't matter how anyone chooses to interpret ,condemn or criticise it.
Re: The Christian Doctrine Of Salvation And The World's Religions by TheFirstLady: 3:30pm On May 29, 2016
simply put JESUS CHRIST is The Way, The Truth and The Life...
Re: The Christian Doctrine Of Salvation And The World's Religions by Abra4real(m): 3:34pm On May 29, 2016
Hmmmmm...

Many people justifying neutrality. I laugh. I shake my head.

Those people you called the born-again Christians, OP, are waiting for something and somebody. And when it comes, it's not going to be quiet at all.

1The. 4:13 says, "I would not have you to be ignorant, brethren, concerning them which are asleep, that ye sorrow not, even as others which have no hope."

That means, the real Christians you're talking about have one hope somewhere. I ask you, OP, and everybody supporting living life to its fullest and working hard alone, what hope do you have after death?

For we Christians, our hope is, as 1John 3:1-2 says, "Behold, what manner of love the Father hath bestowed upon us, that we should be called the sons of God: therefore the world knoweth not us, because it knew him [Jesus] not. 2 Beloved, now are we the sons of God, and it doth not yet appear what we shall be: but we know that, when he shall appear, we shall be like him; for we shall see him as he is."

OUR HOPE, put simply, is to "see him." We're not waiting for "Sai Buhari" to come and deliver Nigeria from corruption and wickednes and looting and many other atrocious acts in this country. Why? Because not matter how anybody operates the country or even any country in the world, it can not be as better as the Kingdom coming (Rev. 21:1 says, And I saw a new heaven and a new earth: for the first heaven and the first earth were passed away; and there was no more sea.)

So, work hard, my friend. Pile up money in the bank. Build huge mansions. And forget to tend to your soul.

You'd be surprised how fast it will "passed away."

On the issue of condeming the other religion or not, yes, that's how people see it. But it's more like pity. And not for those outside alone; many who are inside are not part of us. They're just bench warmers.

Let me take JIHAD as an example. Have you seen any Christian group publicly announce to the whole world that they are Christians and they must convert everybody to Christianity? You know the answer. But when you talk about that to the muslims, they argue that they're not muslims. Why wouldn't you see any Christian insurgent group? Simple: the time of the Phillistines, and the Amalekites, and the Hittites, and co., are gone. We're not fighting to take any promise land now. Instead, we're fighting to get into the promised above.

I digress.

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Re: The Christian Doctrine Of Salvation And The World's Religions by TheFirstLady: 3:37pm On May 29, 2016
tunisbaba:

Guy forget that.Even ordinary brainwashed suicide bombers do not cry or pray not die while about to carry out their bad quest which they believe will take them to heaven. Then why the mighty Jesus??. if Jesus can pray and cry not to die, after fully knowing that his death is equal to taking position at right hand side of God's throne and redemption for his follower sins; then I see a big flaw in the belief of Jesus dead for the world's sin.
that was his humanity... HE walked amongst mortals as a man at that time whereas HE is GOD... HE is 100%man at the time appointed for the perfect Sacrifice though HE is THE creator of The Heaven and Earth and all things therein... THE Holy One who dwells in Light unapproachable...in HIS estate as GOD HE cannot die, and Blood indeed is needed to counter blood... HE condescended to this earthly plain to achieve redemption for man... it's a mystery...but one that a man who can humble himself and open his heart to him will be enlightened... there are things your mental capacity cannot begin to comprehend but must be seen and touched by your Spirit
Re: The Christian Doctrine Of Salvation And The World's Religions by 2cute(m): 3:45pm On May 29, 2016
Lilbrown007:
PLEASE WHEN WILL WE START USING OUR BRAIN HAVE U EVER THOUGHT OF THIS?? HOW ARE YOU SURE THAT IF U MK THAT HEAVEN THAT GOD IS NOT GOING TO TEST U THERE ND IF U FAIL SEND U OUT??

Trust me Lilbrown007, we'll cross that hurdle if we ever get there grin. What matters first is getting into Heaven. But really, you must be quite a funny guy reasoning this way! Lemme hit the submit button before I die of laughter

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Re: The Christian Doctrine Of Salvation And The World's Religions by oglalasioux(m): 3:53pm On May 29, 2016
TheFirstLady:
for the sake of this discuss Noah's flood is the focal point to lend credence to my submission. Thank you for attesting to the fact Noah's flood took place.

You can't say you've never digressed to make a point; and my digressions were to the point. I attested to the fact that Noah's flood took place. But it was copied from Epic of Gilgamesh by Moses and his scribes who criminally wrote the Torah to take lands that don't belong to them.
Re: The Christian Doctrine Of Salvation And The World's Religions by omenka(m): 3:57pm On May 29, 2016
neocortex:


Your analogy is flawed , those that didn't gain admission to the university have many non-university options
that is not dictated by the university itself.
In the case of religion , you either gain admission to the gods'
heaven
or you end up in same gods' hell.
Was about to say exactly the same before I saw your comment. cheesy

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Re: The Christian Doctrine Of Salvation And The World's Religions by omenka(m): 4:03pm On May 29, 2016
Babacele:
hmmmm OM..who is a follower of Christ? GEJ or PMB? answer you get will open your mind to the real definition and not all the claims being thrown around.
Hmmm. You just couldn't resist the temptation of bringing in a little politics could you? cheesy
Re: The Christian Doctrine Of Salvation And The World's Religions by TheFirstLady: 4:29pm On May 29, 2016
oglalasioux:


You can't say you've never digressed to make a point; and my digressions were to the point. I attested to the fact that Noah's flood took place. But it was copied from Epic of Gilgamesh by Moses and his scribes who criminally wrote the Torah to take lands that don't belong to them.
Hahahaha...lmao,criminally wrote?! ^^^^^this hogwash right here, is the definition of fallacy!!! funny tho...so what does the epic of Gilgamesh state on the beginnings? In any case as the epic of Gilgamesh is the authority on which you base your arguments, why is history not recorded or should I say the measurement of the process of time not be based upon any of their most auspicious events as we have the process of time measured even circularly and whatever your religious leanings upon BC and AD? secondly, can you trace the genealogy of Adam the first man down to this present age by the epic of Gilgamesh?
Re: The Christian Doctrine Of Salvation And The World's Religions by oglalasioux(m): 4:41pm On May 29, 2016
TheFirstLady:
Hahahaha...lmao,criminally wrote?! ^^^^^this hogwash right here, is the definition of fallacy!!! funny tho...so what does the epic of Gilgamesh state on the beginnings? In any case as the epic of Gilgamesh is the authority on which you base your arguments, why is history not recorded or should I say the measurement of the process of time not be based upon any of their most auspicious events as we have the process of time measured even circularly and whatever your religious leanings upon BC and AD? secondly, can you trace the genealogy of Adam the first man down to this present age by the epic of Gilgamesh?

BC and AD was adopted by proponents of Christianity. That's point one. Point two is; read the Epic of Gilgamesh. Point three is; I won't argue with you about Adam. He doesn't exist. If you want to know about the genealogy of mankind study science.
Re: The Christian Doctrine Of Salvation And The World's Religions by tunisbaba(m): 4:52pm On May 29, 2016
TheFirstLady:
there are things your mental capacity cannot begin to comprehend but must be seen and touched by your Spirit
This is where most religion groups get it wrong. Do you have to be possessed by a spirit, jinn or demon before you understand a scripture?.
Assuming you were not born into a christian family, can you just read the Bible; understand it logically and use your discretion to judge how excellent or flawed the book is?.
Re: The Christian Doctrine Of Salvation And The World's Religions by TheFirstLady: 5:06pm On May 29, 2016
oglalasioux:


BC and AD was adopted by proponents of Christianity. That's point one. Point two is; read the Epic of Gilgamesh. Point three is; I won't argue with you about Adam. He doesn't exist. If you want to know about the genealogy of mankind study science.
convenient for you to say the AD and BC was adopted by proponents of Christianity... that given You cannot discuss about Adam and convenient enough... again, you attest he never existed! point is who was the first man that ever lived upon earth? for the sake of this discuss, do we need science to prove a man's ancestral lineage? maybe, maybe not if records are written... now if you have to refer me to Science when I asked you of the genealogy of mankind when you cited the epic of Gilgamesh...thirdly, how very convenient! I personally have a copy of the epic of Gilgamesh... it is Chronicled by Ur, king of the Chaldeans {ancient Mesopotamia}... Interesting to note, his place is recorded in The Book of Books...Abraham lived in Ur of the Chaldeans at some time with his father who is a descendant of Noah.. even accounts that precedes his very own writing {ie the writing of Ur of Mesopotamia }are stated there in the good book.. so now, how do we put the cart before the horse? all of Science no matter the theory of evolution at some point circles back to the account of life in the good book.

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Re: The Christian Doctrine Of Salvation And The World's Religions by Matoni: 5:16pm On May 29, 2016
"Surely those who believe, and those who are Jews, and the Christians, and the Sabians -- whoever believes in God and the Last Day and does good, they shall have their reward from their Lord. And there will be no fear for them, nor shall they grieve" (2:62, 5:69, and many other verses).

"...and nearest among them in love to the believers will you find those who say, 'We are Christians,' because amongst these are men devoted to learning and men who have renounced the world, and they are not arrogant" (5:82).

The Qur'an does not preach that Christians will go to hell. Its the ones among Christians that associate partners with God that will go to hell.

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Re: The Christian Doctrine Of Salvation And The World's Religions by mozele(m): 5:25pm On May 29, 2016
matrix199:
Well, it's a waste of time thinking about religion and which way is the right way.

When a man dies, he falls back to the unconscious state he was during embryogenesis.

are you sure?
Re: The Christian Doctrine Of Salvation And The World's Religions by TheFirstLady: 5:29pm On May 29, 2016
tunisbaba:

This is where most religion groups get it wrong. Do you have to be possessed by a spirit, jinn or demon before you understand a scripture?.
Assuming you were not born into a christian family, can you just read the Bible; understand it logically and use your discretion to judge how excellent or flawed the book is?.
let me use this as an analogy... a min old baby instinctively knows where to put it's mouth and suckle upon... the bond between mother and child is not what you underestimate or explain away... that given you are your fathers son, imagine yourself as an eagle who grew amongst chickens... you see yourself in the pond different from other chickens... there's this crave inside of you... then a day comes you hear a cry you never have heard since you were birthed albeit the sound cuts across your soul as familiar as the answer to who you really are... you can decipher what that cry is... it tells your to flap that wing of yours to ascend in flight far above what you never have seen or imagined possible that in itself is the beginning of self discovery of who you truly are...you firstly are a Spirit within a body, the Spirit is You.. your essence not your body... your body only is the legality you need to be on this earthly plain... now that given, The Good book is Spiritual and must be spiritually discerned... now, treasures must be hidden from those who do not understand or appreciate it's value... you so not cast your pearls to swine... only a willing heart thirsty for the Truth will find it.
BTW there are seeds of GOD scattered across different religions... the question is finding their way back to their Father... religion was carefully and deliberately crafted to discourage and confuse mankind to the path to take... JESUS CHRIST for this reason clearly stated : I AM, The Way...The Truth... and The Life... no matter your religious views or inclinations drop religion for a min and search for THE TRUTH

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Re: The Christian Doctrine Of Salvation And The World's Religions by byteHead(m): 5:42pm On May 29, 2016
johnydon22:


..Humanity is so vulnerable that we leave that which is in front of us to chase after that which we do not have or know but a figment of our imaginations, thoughts and wishes.

the above quote of mine holds true for our perception of death.

Haven't you noticed how the word "Death" gives rise to different philosophies of hopeful realities to many.

-On one hand some speculate we do not really die but transcends and then gets reborn and live again and so it goes in a circle.

-Another suggests we do not get reborn but some thinking formless needless part of us continues somewhere else.

-Plato suggests the body is a prison for the soul.

Where as all these philosophies are profound and hopeful, i also call it greed, selfishness and a product of an unmatched ego wielded only by the human mind.

Humans have that egoistic tendency of deluding themselves to be the most important part of the universe..

That is why in this deluding ego they see themselves as deserving to live again but not every other animal or living thing in this earth that also live as they live and feel as they do.


-Just how important are we in this universe?

More important than the stars? Without the stars we won't be here but without us they were, are and will be.

More important than the plants ? without them we won't be here but without us they were, are and will be.

So how exactly are we more important, why do we prize ourselves the most important part of the cosmos when we are so deplorable and expendable that the cosmos won't even notice our disappearance.


So many stories have littered the course of human philosophy on the eventuality of death.

So many wishful hopeful fantasies has been conceived to give hope and comfort to the human mind when faced with the inevitability of death.

-We shall see again in paradise
-we shall be reborn again
-we shall make merry in Valhalla

amongst thousands of such tales.. I do not know how enticing these stories are but i know the greed of a human mind makes them comforting as nobody would like to imagine the absoluteness of the end of our being.

That to me comes from a short memory cus just a little journey backwards whene we were not here, imagining inexistence won't be far fetched.

We have been dead for an infinite time backwards, now we are here and we will soon be dead how then can we not imagine our the state we were before coming to this?.

I really understand the reasons why all these stories crop up in the human mind, why all these philosophies and emotional clutch to a comforting tale defines a huge part of our belief

It is because of the vulnerability of our being.

Being that almost certainly we are probably the only species amongst all in this planet that know at a very young age that we would die one day.

This knowledge of our inevitable end is somewhat like a burden to us .

I doubt that other species Chimpanzee, dogs , elephants even though alive as we are are fretting over an afterlife or performing rituals to earn a place in paradise or somewhere else outside the cosmos.

No they just live in the moment.

With all these stories filling the gap left by fear, vulnerability of our mind, we yet have no evidence to support these fantasies.

I do not claim to have knowledge of what happens in death but if anybody, person or book claims to know, they are both lying and fraudulent.

Because they do not know.

We are so concerned by what we want to be, by what we wish for that we forget and pay little mind to what we have which is NOW

So isn't it better and more noble we forget all these stories and focus on what we have and where we are which is Now and Here

Here and Now are the most important, certain aspect of it all, make them count and don't waste them chasing after a vague shadow of an uncertain wishful fantasy.

Nice one

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Re: The Christian Doctrine Of Salvation And The World's Religions by tunisbaba(m): 5:43pm On May 29, 2016
TheFirstLady:
let me use this as an analogy... a min old baby instinctively knows where to put it's mouth and suckle upon... the bond between mother and child is not what you underestimate or explain away... that given you are your fathers son, imagine yourself as an eagle who grew amongst chickens... you see yourself in the pond different from other chickens... there's this crave inside of you... then a day comes you hear a cry you never have heard since you were birthed albeit the sound cuts across your soul as familiar as the answer to who you really are... you can decipher what that cry is... it tells your to flap that wing of yours to ascend in flight far above what you never have seen or imagined possible that in itself is the beginning of self discovery of who you truly are...you firstly are a Spirit within a body, the Spirit is You.. your essence not your body... your body only is the legality you need to be on this earthly plain... now that given, The Good book is Spiritual and must be spiritually discerned... now, treasures must be hidden from those who do not understand or appreciate it's value... you so not cast your pearls to swine... only a willing heart thirsty for the Truth will find it
This post is just too ambiguous to the extent that i wonder the relationship between my previous post and this your present. Anyways make we rest and let everyone of us continue to hope we are on the right path.
Re: The Christian Doctrine Of Salvation And The World's Religions by TheFirstLady: 5:57pm On May 29, 2016
tunisbaba:

This post is just too ambiguous to the extent that i wonder the relationship between my previous post and this your present. Anyways make we rest and let everyone of us continue to hope we are on the right path.
to the unevolved and unenlightened Soul it is ambiguous... a person who deliberately shut their eyes and refuses to see, will not see

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Re: The Christian Doctrine Of Salvation And The World's Religions by TheFirstLady: 6:00pm On May 29, 2016
tunisbaba:

This post is just too ambiguous to the extent that i wonder the relationship between my previous post and this your present. Anyways make we rest and let everyone of us continue to hope we are on the right path.
to the unevolved and unenlightened Soul it is ambiguous... a person who deliberately shut their eyes and refuses to see, will not see...there is a place for knowledge, there's a place for understanding
Re: The Christian Doctrine Of Salvation And The World's Religions by tunisbaba(m): 6:07pm On May 29, 2016
TheFirstLady:
to the unevolved and unenlightened Soul it is ambiguous... a person who deliberately shut their eyes and refuses to see, will not see
what of a person blinded by religion dogma which made the person lost his/her logical reasoning for judgement of what is wrong and correct. The person is lost indeed
Re: The Christian Doctrine Of Salvation And The World's Religions by TheFirstLady: 6:28pm On May 29, 2016
tunisbaba:

what of a person blinded by religion dogma which made the person lost his/her logical reasoning for judgement of what is wrong and correct. The person is lost indeed
what is wrong then, what is correct? what is logical to hold in the face of my submissions...has my submissions been illogical thus far? seem like you stand in a better position to school me on religious dogmas! I for one have no religious inclinations...i am just a Spiritually attuned individual with first hand experiences... that given, what is your logical reason of judgement?
Re: The Christian Doctrine Of Salvation And The World's Religions by Babacele: 6:55pm On May 29, 2016
omenka:
Hmmm. You just couldn't resist the temptation of bringing in a little politics could you? cheesy
no mind me.
Re: The Christian Doctrine Of Salvation And The World's Religions by Cybbergeekk: 7:08pm On May 29, 2016
The matter is a straightforward one without any room for doubt or ambiguity-JESUS CHRIST is the only means of SALVATION for all mankind. I am aware that many will criticize this position,but it's the truth and the truth has never been popular. As for the multitude of religions,which of them traces its origin back to God as the Founder apart from Judaism and Christianity? Which of them dealt with the issue of sin as comprehensively as Christianity? For those who died without hearing of Christ,they would be judged by the light of Conscience and for those who heard of Christ,the Gospel would be the basis of judgment. As far as Jesus Christ is concerned, no man who has heard of Him,can be neutral-you either have to accept or reject Him. The world's religions are nothing but fallen,sinful man's futile and doomed efforts at reaching out to the Holy God,while in CHRISTIANITY the Holy God Himself thru Jesus Christ reached down to save fallen sinful humanity.

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Re: The Christian Doctrine Of Salvation And The World's Religions by musicwriter(m): 7:27pm On May 29, 2016
omenka:
Good morning ladies and gentlemen.

I've always had this question tugging a my everytime I think about the numerous religions and belief systems in the world and look at the sheer number of their adherents/faithfuls.

In the Bible, it has been explicitly stated that except through Christ, it is impossible to enter the kingdom of God/have eternal life. This presupposes that if one isn't born again (accepting Christ as one's Lord and Saviour) the chances of one being "saved" is totally foreclosed!

Now, we know about such major religions as Christianity, Islam, Buddhism, Hinduism, and New Age. I for one believe none is more superior to the other, but truth be told, we tend (generally speaking) to believe the only "true" path to genuine righteousness and salvation is Christ, yet all the adherents of the various faiths believe in some form of supreme being with whom we are bound to spend the "here-after" depending on how you lived your life.

The question then is [b]what happens to the souls of the billions (over 3 billion) who aren't "Christians" and what happens to the billions (probably over 6billion out of a total population of 7billion) who aren't Born Again Christians??

Are their souls hell bound or is their some place else reserved for them elsewhere.

Knowing some of those practising these other religions have characters only comparable to that of Angels even makes the question more important- take the lifestyle of Buddhist Monks for instance. Can one be that righteous yet still go to hell according to our doctrine??

A lot more questions beggar answers...but this is sufficient for now.


Would like the pastors in the house to shed some light on this.

Thanks.

It's a huge mistake your linking God to religion. Unfortunately, it's popular culture to do so.

God has nothing to do with religion!!.

The bible, koran, torah, all these books are just trying to explain God. They're not an authority on God.

Jesus was not a religious person. In fact, Jesus was against religious people and church (synagogue) leaders of his time. In one instance he was so annoyed at what the religious people were doing that he went into the church (synagogue) destroying the place and chasing away people. Jesus didn't even go to church!!. In another instance he went all the way to farm on Sunday!. And on some cases went out doing charitable work on a Sabbath day (Sunday) and when the church leaders asked him why he didn't go to church he told them "If one of you has a child or an ox that falls into a well on the Sabbath day, will you not immediately pull it out?".

Please stop seeing God in the eyes of religion, if you want to know the truth.

Jesus did not believe in religion. There's no reason anybody who believes in Christ should believe in religion.

To answer your question, there's nobody going to any literal hell or heaven. But, of course , there'll be judgement- the judgement you already pass on yourself. On your dying bed, you personally would take a good look at how you spent your life on earth, and you'll know better whether you are a good person or not. That's the judgement.

Those who don't pass a good judgement on themselves would simply stop to exist (second death). Those who passed a good judgement on themselves would enter a new form of peaceful and happy everlasting existence which doesn't require a flesh to exist- like wireless networks does not require physical cable to transmit call to your mobile phone. It's a different wavelength of existence and has already been discovered by those who invented the TV and radio, but the discovery was being suppressed by mainstream science and the government.

See below video.

Eternity explained by science not religion.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a_ZyaBlM0Bc.
Re: The Christian Doctrine Of Salvation And The World's Religions by nelson16(m): 7:42pm On May 29, 2016
It is duty of everyone to seek that path that God has commanded men to follow in order to find Him. No man has any excuse before God! A man should test every spirit, rather than just believe anything. Salvation is for all, free for that matter. The true seeker will surely find Him!

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Re: The Christian Doctrine Of Salvation And The World's Religions by ochubaebube(m): 9:02pm On May 29, 2016
In all the religions, u would have noticed that there is a sub-conscious yet non-man-made acknowledgement of the claring differences between EVIL and GOOD or Right and Wrong. Irrespective of the religion u are in, u know that certain things are wrong while some are right. To be at the center, u keep doing those things ur clear conscience tells u are right. At the end, if there is an after-life, u would surely make it to d right side because It isn't likely that a 'God' will not accept someone who has been right almost truout his life. In everything, keep a clear conscience!
Re: The Christian Doctrine Of Salvation And The World's Religions by stainlex(m): 9:16pm On May 29, 2016
johnydon22:


..Humanity is so vulnerable that we leave that which is in front of us to chase after that which we do not have or know but a figment of our imaginations, thoughts and wishes.

the above quote of mine holds true for our perception of death.

Haven't you noticed how the word "Death" gives rise to different philosophies of hopeful realities to many.

-On one hand some speculate we do not really die but transcends and then gets reborn and live again and so it goes in a circle.

-Another suggests we do not get reborn but some thinking formless needless part of us continues somewhere else.

-Plato suggests the body is a prison for the soul.

Where as all these philosophies are profound and hopeful, i also call it greed, selfishness and a product of an unmatched ego wielded only by the human mind.

Humans have that egoistic tendency of deluding themselves to be the most important part of the universe..

That is why in this deluding ego they see themselves as deserving to live again but not every other animal or living thing in this earth that also live as they live and feel as they do.


-Just how important are we in this universe?

More important than the stars? Without the stars we won't be here but without us they were, are and will be.

More important than the plants ? without them we won't be here but without us they were, are and will be.

So how exactly are we more important, why do we prize ourselves the most important part of the cosmos when we are so deplorable and expendable that the cosmos won't even notice our disappearance.


So many stories have littered the course of human philosophy on the eventuality of death.

So many wishful hopeful fantasies has been conceived to give hope and comfort to the human mind when faced with the inevitability of death.

-We shall see again in paradise
-we shall be reborn again
-we shall make merry in Valhalla

amongst thousands of such tales.. I do not know how enticing these stories are but i know the greed of a human mind makes them comforting as nobody would like to imagine the absoluteness of the end of our being.

That to me comes from a short memory cus just a little journey backwards whene we were not here, imagining inexistence won't be far fetched.

We have been dead for an infinite time backwards, now we are here and we will soon be dead how then can we not imagine our the state we were before coming to this?.

I really understand the reasons why all these stories crop up in the human mind, why all these philosophies and emotional clutch to a comforting tale defines a huge part of our belief

It is because of the vulnerability of our being.

Being that almost certainly we are probably the only species amongst all in this planet that know at a very young age that we would die one day.

This knowledge of our inevitable end is somewhat like a burden to us .

I doubt that other species Chimpanzee, dogs , elephants even though alive as we are are fretting over an afterlife or performing rituals to earn a place in paradise or somewhere else outside the cosmos.

No they just live in the moment.

With all these stories filling the gap left by fear, vulnerability of our mind, we yet have no evidence to support these fantasies.

I do not claim to have knowledge of what happens in death but if anybody, person or book claims to know, they are both lying and fraudulent.

Because they do not know.

We are so concerned by what we want to be, by what we wish for that we forget and pay little mind to what we have which is NOW

So isn't it better and more noble we forget all these stories and focus on what we have and where we are which is Now and Here

Here and Now are the most important, certain aspect of it all, make them count and don't waste them chasing after a vague shadow of an uncertain wishful fantasy.

In complete support of your stance, here's a Nabokov quote that puts things in perspective.

"The cradle rocks above an abyss, and common sense tells us that our existence is but a brief crack of light between two eternities of darkness. Although the two are identical twins, man, as a rule, views the prenatal abyss with more calm than the one he is headed for (at some forty-five hundred heartbeats an hour)"

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Re: The Christian Doctrine Of Salvation And The World's Religions by omjudae: 9:28pm On May 29, 2016
I want to say categorically here that for anyone to avoid hell, there's only one nonviolent way to follow which is Christ! Read the book of John 3:16-18, and the last few verses. Never bother about those who have gone, they are examples for us to make a very good choice. Be mindful of your own very SOUL!!!
Re: The Christian Doctrine Of Salvation And The World's Religions by amicable09(f): 9:39pm On May 29, 2016
Babacele:
Amicable09 what are you waiting for?
Lol.
Babacele, this shows you know me a little to have called me up on this one!

Lemme go through the topic, I'll comment on it if no one has said what I have to say.

Thanks for the mention.

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Re: The Christian Doctrine Of Salvation And The World's Religions by oluamid(m): 9:43pm On May 29, 2016
TheFirstLady:
let me use this as an analogy... a min old baby instinctively knows where to put it's mouth and suckle upon... the bond between mother and child is not what you underestimate or explain away... that given you are your fathers son, imagine yourself as an eagle who grew amongst chickens... you see yourself in the pond different from other chickens... there's this crave inside of you... then a day comes you hear a cry you never have heard since you were birthed albeit the sound cuts across your soul as familiar as the answer to who you really are... you can decipher what that cry is... it tells your to flap that wing of yours to ascend in flight far above what you never have seen or imagined possible that in itself is the beginning of self discovery of who you truly are...you firstly are a Spirit within a body, the Spirit is You.. your essence not your body... your body only is the legality you need to be on this earthly plain... now that given, The Good book is Spiritual and must be spiritually discerned... now, treasures must be hidden from those who do not understand or appreciate it's value... you so not cast your pearls to swine... only a willing heart thirsty for the Truth will find it.
BTW there are seeds of GOD scattered across different religions... the question is finding their way back to their Father... religion was carefully and deliberately crafted to discourage and confuse mankind to the path to take... JESUS CHRIST for this reason clearly stated : I AM, The Way...The Truth... and The Life... no matter your religious views or inclinations drop religion for a min and search for THE TRUTH


Clap for yourself, you just went back to the middle ages.. . In 2016! How ironic is it that the same argument used by the protestant to wrest the bible/church away from the Roman Catholic Church is the same that 'unbelievers' will use for modern day Christians. The Bible should not be a book you need special powers to understand. Q. E. D.

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