solite3:
well dolphinsheart you are not making any sense Nehemiah 9:6 proves to any sane human being that angels are the invincible host of heaven, you are trying to differentiate worshipping host of heaven from worshipping idols. U don't know what idolatry is.

The host of heaven the Israelites worship were actually demons but the sun, moon and stars were only medium

In the beginning God CREATED the heaven and the earth
Angels may therefore be created along with the heavens. There is order heaven first before the earth.

You ask if the Israelites where worshipping angels since angels are host of heaven. The answer is no. Why? First angels do not accept worship or obeisance whatsoever. Secondly angels do not live in this physical heavens but demons do because they have been driven away from heaven.

Revelation 2:28 tells you that all who overcomes will be given the name morning star does that mean they become angels?

brocab:
Firstly I did give you the evidence about the Roman Catholic Church how they Changed the Sabbath Saturday into their Sun worship Sunday' But because you had refused to look in the video I provided for you on Page 95.

Then their is nothing more I can say, you are just full of yourself I bet you don't even know which side of the bed you wake up on?[quote]
not gonna go their with you
hope you have researched the day the isrealites have their sabath?
hope you can answer if Christians where given a particular day to worship ?

[quote]The Sabbath day was blessed as the day of worship by God Himself.
Am I writing to a child? It seems you still don't understand dolphinheart why people gather together on one day of the week, either it's on a Saturday or the Sunday, any day-but it's one day of the week everyone gathers together to worship in one accord.

Jesus kept the Holy Sabbath-same with His disciples, they kept it too. But it was the Roman Catholic's who had changed it, from the Sabbath, to worship after their pagan beliefs, the Sun God, changing it into Sunday, and of course you are part of the many millions who have chosen to walk blind not knowing any history why Pagan religion is still active today.

Jesus preached and done Miracles on the Sabbath He done Miracles everyday-and He taught everyday. We teach everyday-we are spreading the gospel and the truth about Christ everyday.
[b]But theirs a day when the Christians gather together in one accord. And in your case you don't know who you worship I believe you worship "the SUN, but I don't believe you worship the SON.

You want answers but you aren't prepared to read or watch them-Secondly I gave you the video so maybe you could have learned something about History, but I suppose that's to difficult for you, to even know such knowledge.
I would hate to be a JW, it must be hard for you all, not allowed to study outside the Church, if the JW's are as good as they believe they are-then why do you believe in the unknown God and not Jesus

dolphinheart:

I would like to say I enjoyed watching that video and I will like to talk more on the subject. I told you then, pls tell us what you learnt from the video, how did the Catholic Church change the sabbath day.?
How does this affect the witnesses?

brocab:
If you knew your scriptures more clearly you would have knowing Jesus didn't pay tithes. Now understand these simple verses {Matthew 17:24-27} Now those who receive the temple tax came to Peter and said, does your teacher not pay the temple tax, "He said yes" And when Peter had come into the house Jesus asked Him saying Simon Peter, From whom to the Kings of the earth take Customs or tax, from their Sons or from Strangers? "Peter said to Him from Strangers" Jesus said to Him then the Sons are Free.
"Jesus said never the less at least we offend them" go to the sea, cast a hook and the first fish that comes up take the money and give it to them for you and Me.
[size=26] Matter of fact Jesus even broke the Sabbath rules, [/size] He actually healed a mans hand inside the synagogue. Of course your own countrymen the Pharisees weren't to happy about it. You should know this part about your own religious ancestors, you all wanted to murder the Christ. You did after 3 years. But He come what He came for, Jesus saved the world.
I do understand why you feel Jesus didn't do enough for you-and this is why you keep Jehovah God as your main attraction, I find this always with the Atheist, I was once myself' and Jesus name never really came into assistance. But God alone.
I actually thought you were the studying type-but of course I was wrong about you-I should have realised you worship a God you don't even know-and you call yourself a JW and you had already denied Charles Russell was your founder." You are more of a copywriter, without having the knowledge to study.
The day of worship was on the Sabbath Saturday back then-and still many Christians today keep that day as Holy as it were.
But If I was to worship on a Sunday, and I read the scriptures, to find out Sunday isn't the Sabbath day, I would find out why" and study who gave whom the authority to change the day?
Yet for nearly 2000 years had past, now millions of Christians have worship on Sunday. "The Son of man is Lord also of the Sabbath {Luke 6:5} Here Jesus staked His claim and forbid anyone to meddle with the Sabbath, Yet He knew their will be those who would claim the power to Change God's law. Through Daniel He warned of just such a man. Describing of a "Little horn power" {Daniel 7:8} Daniel describes he will speak against the Most High and oppress His Saints, and try to change the set times and the Laws" {Daniel 7:25}
Paul made a similar prediction:" Don't let anyone deceive you in any way, for that day will not come until the rebellion occurs and the man of lawlessness is revealed, the man doomed to destruction. He will appose and will exalt himself over everything the is called God or is worshipped, so that he sets himself up in God's temple, proclaiming Himself to be God. {2 Thessalonians 2:3-7}
{Here is something for you-The Pope claims he can forgive Sins}
Paul warned that the blasphemy was already at work, and that is will come not from the outside influence, but from within the Church {2 Thessalonians 2:7, Acts 20:28-30} Sure enough, not long after Paul's day apostasy appeared in the Church.
About a 100 years before Christianity, Egyptian, Mithraists introduce the festival of Sunday, dedicated to worshipping the Sun, into the Roman empire. Later as Christianity grew, Church leaders wished to increase the numbers of the Church. In order to make the gospel more attractive to non Christians, pagan customs were incorporated into the Church ceremonies. The custom of Sunday worship was welcomed by Christians who desired to differentiate themselves from the Jews, whom they hated because of the Jew's rejection of the savoir. The first day of the began to be recognised as both a religious and civil holiday. By the end of the second century, Christians considered it sinful to work on Sunday.
The Roman emperor Constantine, a former Sun worshipper, confessed conversion to Christianity, through his subsequent actions suggest the "conversion" was more of a Political move then a genuine heart change. Constantine named himself bishop of the Catholic Church, and enacted the first civil law regarding Sunday Observance in A.D.321.
Firstly this information may shoot straight over your head, but at least with this information in front of you, you dolphinheart worship a day, that the Catholic Church had designed for witnesses as yourself
And if you don't know which day you should worship then I advise you to stay at home and study some of Romes history why they changed the Sabbath day, into the Sunday-History states through Pagan religion, they don't worship the SON they worship the SUN.

You want answers but you aren't prepared to read or watch them-Secondly I gave you the video so maybe you could have learned something about History, but I suppose that's to difficult for you, to even know such knowledge.
I would hate to be a JW, it must be hard for you all, not allowed to study outside the Church, if the JW's are as good as they believe they are-then why do you believe in the unknown God and not Jesus
Dolphinheart's Quote> does this affect the witnesses? The answer to this question yes it does, People from all walks of life are searching for the truth, and because of the many religious back grounds around the world, people are becoming more confused, and in most cases people walk the other way.
You believed Jesus tithed-the truth is He didn't tithe. With all the wrong teachings around the world, people run the other way.
The KJV would be the most closes to the 1611 version written bible ever made.
If I had a JW at my door and a Mormon of the latter day saints at my door at the same time, what information do you believe I would receive about Jesus? None.. You don't preach it, so why should he

CANTICLES:


Sorry bro , I never knew you are this spiritually blind like the Pharisees @ bold ... Is it wrong to do good on the Sabbath ? then how exactly did Jesus broke the Sabbath rules !

I demand an explanation.

lphinheart post=46685006]
Idolatry is more than worshiping idols, the scriptures been specific in what the isrealites worshipped.

King James Version
Eze 8:16And he brought me into the inner court of the LORD’S house, and, behold, at the door of the temple of the LORD, between the porch and the altar, were about five and twenty men, with their backs toward the temple of the LORD, and their faces toward the east; and they worshipped the sun toward the east.

Zep 1:4, 5“I will stretch out my hand against Judah And against all the inhabitants of Jerusalem, And I will wipe out from this place every vestige of Baʹal, The name of the foreign-god priests along with the priests,
5 And those who bow down on the rooftops to the army of the heavens, And those who bow down and pledge loyalty to Jehovah While pledging loyalty to Malʹcam;

you can see that the isrealites pratIced all kinds of false worship , there are those who bowed to baal, there also those who bow down to the hosts of heaven, the moon and the sun and stars, and there are those who try to pledge loyalty to god and a false god at the same time.
look again at Gods command and tell if God is not referring to the things in the heavens.
King James Version
De 4:19 And lest thou lift up thine eyes unto heaven, and when thou seest the sun, and the moon, and the stars, even all the host of heaven, shouldest be driven to worship them, and serve them, which the LORD thy God hath divided unto all nations under the whole heaven.

what did Jehovah say they see when they lift their eyes up to heaven? The sun moon and stars and all the host of heaven, if you look up to the heavens , do you not see this things?
Are those things demons? no!

]Jehovah said those those things are in heaven, are demons in heaven?

The sun , moon and stars are [b]part of the hosts of heaven, you see a lot of the others at night when you look into heaven, eg planets, comets, moons, galaxies, etc.

s]continue to shift your stance small small , it [/s]might get in line with facts soon, hopefully.
The statement, god created the heaven and earth does not in anyway indicate order or rank in creation.

look at our physical earth in relation to the the heavens, the movement and laws guiding the existence of all these bodies and tell again if one was created before the other or all where undergoing creation during the same period!
earth and heaven where both created during the same period, in the beginning!

1. that angels do not accept worship does not mean they can't be worshipped sir!
2. you need to explain how you came about the belief that demons are in the physical heaven.

King James Version
Re 2:28And I will give him the morning star.

you refusal to quote that bible verse shows
1. you can't answer the question asked : (note: the word morning stars, do you know where Jesus called himself such?)
2. you are trying to lie against the scriptures again!

solite3, you deliberately removed or refused to respond to this:

1. you deliberately ommited this one , you sad: "is it the father that came to this earth."
I replied:
no, but someone has said Jesus is the father, do you know who said so? I bet you know, but you can't fit mention!

2. well everyone can see you could not respond or explain the scriptures quoted to to the scriptures, I'll just point it to you again:
Joh 17:26 you where afraid to quote and explain these verse, expecially the underlined

solite3, if you are a truth full person, pls explain the verse above!
you could also not respond to this :
did it say god exalted himself,? no!
did it say Jesus exalted himself ? no !
Did that verse imply that that the one who was exalted is same as one doing the exalting? no!
therefore , "God ", reffered to In those verses is not Jesus.!
Isa 52:13 Look! My servant will act with insight. He will be raised up high, He will be elevated and greatly exalted
Ac 2:32, 33
you are a bad person solite3, for this what God wanted with his name :
1Ki 8:60
Eze 36:23
Eze 39:7

brocab:
You need to ask your brothers and sisters the Pharisees, they rejected Jesus doing good on the Sabbath.

CANTICLES:


Man, you are the one who rejected Jesus doing good on the Sabbath, did you not claim Jesus broke the Sabbath rules ? therefore making him a sinner against the law .

I demand an explanation for your irresponsible remark that Jesus broke the Sabbath rules !!!

CANTICLES:


Man, you are the one who rejected Jesus doing good on the Sabbath, did you not claim Jesus broke the Sabbath rules ? therefore making him a sinner against the law .

I demand an explanation for your irresponsible remark that Jesus broke the Sabbath rules !!!

brocab:
It is you who had rejected Jesus, Jesus was accused by your ancestors the pharisees, claiming He broke their law on the Sabbath, when He Healed a mans hand. Only because the scriptures tells us the Sabbath is a day to rest to keep it Holy, so when Jesus healed the mans hand the Pharisees took offence to it, the Sabbath as its written in the scriptures {Genesis 2:2} {Exodus 20:8-11} Remember the Sabbath day to Keep it Holy, six days you shall labour, and do all your work, but the seventh day is the Sabbath to the Lord your God, On it you shall not do any work, you or your son, or your daughter, your male servant or your female servant. So don't be alarmed when your ancestors tried to destroy Jesus when He broke their law.
So you being a JW need to take this one up with your ancestors, they didn't accept Christ then, and you don't accept Christ now.

brocab:
[s] It is you who had rejected Jesus, Jesus was accused by your ancestors the pharisees, claiming He broke their law on the Sabbath, when He Healed a mans hand. Only because the scriptures tells us the Sabbath is a day to rest to keep it Holy, so when Jesus healed the mans hand the Pharisees took offence to it, the Sabbath as its written in the scriptures {Genesis 2:2} {Exodus 20:8-11} Remember the Sabbath day to Keep it Holy, six days you shall labour, and do all your work, but the seventh day is the Sabbath to the Lord your God, On it you shall not do any work, you or your son, or your daughter, your male servant or your female servant. So don't be alarmed when your ancestors tried to destroy Jesus when He broke their law.
So you being a JW need to take this one up with your ancestors, they didn't accept Christ then, and you don't accept Christ now. [/s]

brocab:
[s] It is you who had rejected Jesus, Jesus was accused by your ancestors the pharisees, claiming He broke their law on the Sabbath, when He Healed a mans hand. Only because the scriptures tells us the Sabbath is a day to rest to keep it Holy, so when Jesus healed the mans hand the Pharisees took offence to it, the Sabbath as its written in the scriptures {Genesis 2:2} {Exodus 20:8-11} Remember the Sabbath day to Keep it Holy, six days you shall labour, and do all your work, but the seventh day is the Sabbath to the Lord your God, On it you shall not do any work, you or your son, or your daughter, your male servant or your female servant. So don't be alarmed when your ancestors tried to destroy Jesus when He broke their law.
So you being a JW need to take this one up with your ancestors, they didn't accept Christ then, and you don't accept Christ now. [/s]

CANTICLES:


concentrate and see how you just make Jesus a sinner , you said Jesus broke the LAW of Sabbath , didn't you ?

brocab:
No, Stop trying to twist my words lair-if you had read my hole page with dignity, it would tell you, why your ancestors, wanted to destroy Jesus.
The pharisees never believed in Him, and why should you. Both pharisees in different time flames.
If you knew how to read the scriptures, Jesus broke the Sabbath law according to the Pharisees.

brocab:
What dolphinheart failed to answer this one correctly. Does he ever answer any of them correctly?
Dolphinheart we know these websites are off limits for you, and the JW's don't approve you to read other sites that may lead you into the truth about Christ-but listen, no-one will know? But you need to understand One must be born again before he/she has anything to do with the divine nature. HE/SHE CAN NOT ENTER INTO THE KINGDOM OF GOD WITHOUT BEING BORN AGAIN WHICH IS PART OF THE DIVINE NATURE.

If you chose not to listen to me, then at least give some thought and look into these web sites.
http://www.biblestudytools.com/commentaries/gills-exposition-of-the-bible/2-peter-1-4.html

Look up this website below, and find out why your organisation won't educate you concerning the Word of God. http://www.jwfacts.com/watchtower/higher-education-university.php

Quote>Dolphinheart said>therefore brocab, divine nature cannot be in the flesh. Peter was still a mortal till he died, therefore he did not have divine nature till he died. Dolphinheart don't believe Paul as a man in the flesh was also filled with the Holy Spirit being a partaker of the divine nature before He died?

If Paul didn't have the Spirit of God, the divine, then how did he have it after he had died?

Heb 6:11But we desire each one of you to show the same industriousness so as to have the full assurance of the hope down to the end,
Heb 6:12so that you may not become sluggish, but be imitators of those who through faith and patience inherit the promises.
Paul like the others, have to hope down to the end, I bet you know what hope is, you can't still have hope in something if you already have that something! and this hope on the promise can only be achieved at the end! , with faith and patience( bet you understand what faith means!)

Read the promises again and decipher when it will come to pass, look at it and see if it can be achieved on earth!

Lu 22:29, 30and I make a covenant with you, just as my Father has made a covenant with me, for a kingdom,
30so that you may eat and drink at my table in my Kingdom, and sit on thrones to judge the 12 tribes of Israel.

Joh 14:2In the house of my Father are many dwelling places. Otherwise, I would have told you, for I am going my way to prepare a place for you.

Ga 3:29Moreover, if you belong to Christ, you are really Abraham’s offspring, heirs with reference to a promise.

[quote]His flesh would end up in hell, where your flesh is heading.

Having God's divine nature Paul was transformed into heaven {Philippians 3:20-21}

Dolphinhearts second quote>therefore brocab you can have the holy spirit. Dolphinheart refuses to have the Spirit of God?
Isn't the Holy Spirit part of the Godhead the divine, and you refuse to have Him. No-wonder nothing you write makes any sense and your spirit is dead while trying to understand the scriptures.

johnw74:


Lie Lie dolphinheart

The thread - the OP, was about John 1:1, about God and the Word being God.

and you false jw dolphinheart said concerning God and the Word: "your God is two persons in one!, a two headed God!."

and you false jw dolphinheart continue to twist and lie and deny that referring to God and the Word you said: "your God is two persons in one!, a two headed God!."

and I did post a link to it, absolutely everything you said is lies, not just part of it, but all of it is lies.

Speaking lies is speaking naturally for you Lie Lie dolphinheart

Jesus is definately talking off false jw's here, as well as other habitual liars of course:

Joh 8:44 Ye are of your father the devil, and the lusts of your father ye will do. He was a murderer from the beginning, and abode not in the truth, because there is no truth in him. When he speaketh a lie, he speaketh of his own: for he is a liar, and the father of it.

brocab:
I had seen it myself bro, Dolphinheart will never own up to the truth.

dolphinheart:
PLS NOTE ONCE MORE, HE COULD NOT RESPOND, QUOTE AND EXPLAIN THE SCRIPTURES QUOTE TO HIM

being born again Is not part of the divine nature!, Paul like others where still battling with their present fleshy nature, despite being born again!.if you have divine nature, you wunt be flesh and blood, FLESH AND BLOOD CANNOT INHERIT GOD'S KINGDOM, BUT FLESH AND BLOOD CAN BE BORN AGAIN. THEREFORE, HAVING THE SPIRIT OF GOD DOES NOT MEAN YOU HAVE DIVINE NATURE!


postrich it's content here, so all can know what you are talking about!


post it's content here, so we can examine it.


he will be a partaker or share in the divine nature after he died, after he had fought to the end!, divine nature cannot be in flesh nature, divine nature is divine, cannot be part of a slave nature.


never said Paul did not have gods spirit , that power and jesus promise is what Paul said will put them through that they may partake in the divine nature!, but he urged them to continue earnest effort (2 Peter 1: 5 ) and be more dililgent(verse 10). These is done to prevent falling by the way(remember they already have gods spirit o) and ensure they attain to that promise of jesus, which will ensure them partaking in the divine nature!

King James Version
Heb 4:11Let us labour therefore to enter into that rest, lest any man fall after the same example of unbelief.

paul, like others with the holy spirit, could still fall short having divine nature , hence he told them in verse 10

2Pe 1:10Therefore, brothers, be all the more diligent to make your calling and choosing sure for yourselves, for if you keep on doing these things, you will by no means ever fail.
what could make them fail? succumbing to their present nature flesh!

Heb 6:11But we desire each one of you to show the same industriousness so as to have the full assurance of the hope down to the end,
Heb 6:12so that you may not become sluggish, but be imitators of those who through faith and patience inherit the promises.
Paul like the others, have to hope down to the end, I bet you know what hope is, you can't still have hope in something if you already have that something! and this hope on the promise can only be achieved at the end! , with faith and patience( bet you understand what faith means!)

Read the promises again and decipher when it will come to pass, look at it and see if it can be achieved on earth!

Lu 22:29, 30and I make a covenant with you, just as my Father has made a covenant with me, for a kingdom,
30so that you may eat and drink at my table in my Kingdom, and sit on thrones to judge the 12 tribes of Israel.

Joh 14:2In the house of my Father are many dwelling places. Otherwise, I would have told you, for I am going my way to prepare a place for you.

Ga 3:29Moreover, if you belong to Christ, you are really Abraham’s offspring, heirs with reference to a promise.


you use heLl anyhow , when it suits you, it's flesh that will end up in hell, not soul again!



Php 3:20But our citizenship exists in the heavens, and we are eagerly waiting for a savior from there, the Lord Jesus Christ,
Php 3:21who will transform our humble body to be like his glorious body by his great power that enables him to subject all things to himself.

brocab, this is the point where having divine nature occurs, when the promise is being fulfilled! Paul left his flesh nature and had divine nature.

and when will these occur?
1Co 15:42So it is with the resurrection of the dead. It is sown in corruption; it is raised up in incorruption.
1Co 15:49And just as we have borne the image of the one made of dust, we will bear also the image of the heavenly one.

when paul was talking, was he bearing the image of the heavenly one? no
2Pe 1:13But I consider it right, as long as I am in this tabernacle, to stir you with reminders
2Pe 1:14knowing as I do that my tabernacle is soon to be removed, just as also our Lord Jesus Christ made clear to me.


continue saying things you don't know!

brocab:
If you knew your scriptures more clearly you would have knowing Jesus didn't pay tithes. Now understand these simple verses {Matthew 17:24-27} Now those who receive the temple tax came to Peter and said, does your teacher not pay the temple tax, "He said yes" And when Peter had come into the house Jesus asked Him saying Simon Peter, From whom to the Kings of the earth take Customs or tax, from their Sons or from Strangers? "Peter said to Him from Strangers" Jesus said to Him then the Sons are Free.
"Jesus said never the less at least we offend them" go to the sea, cast a hook and the first fish that comes up take the money and give it to them for you and Me.
Jesus didn't want to argue over the matter, so He sent Peter to collect the cash. Just to shut them up.

{Genesis 14} Abraham paid there Custom tithes, with goods that didn't belong to him. .
{Before we continual with the Sabbath Jesus broke the Sabbath rules-Jesus healed a mans hand, and it was your own countrymen the Pharisees who tried to make a mockery out of Jesus doing good. But you should know this, your own religious ancestors, wanted to murder the Christ. They did after 3 years. But He came and He done what He came for, Jesus saved the world.}

I do understand why you feel Jesus didn't do enough for you-and this is why you keep Jehovah God as your main attraction, I find this always with the Atheist rejecting Christ, we were all the same' until that final moment some of us found Christ-but others as yourself are still searching, this is why Jesus's name never really came into assistance to you. You may have been a JW all your life and still you don't know the scriptures, because you have never studied them because of your restricted attitude you have towards Christ..

I actually thought you were the studying type-but of course I was wrong about you-I should have realised you worship a God you don't even know-and you call yourself a JW and you had already denied Charles Russell manuscripts." You are more of a copywriter, without having the knowledge to study.
Well we Christians are always searching for the truth, and we find it. The lord said first seek the kingdom of God and all things shall be added to you.

here I found a little info for you about why you worship on the Sunday instead of the Sabbath Saturday.

Millions of Christians today keep that day as Holy as it were.
But If I was to worship on a Sunday, and the scriptures said Sunday isn't the Sabbath day, I would study whom gave the authority to change that day?

Yet for nearly 2000 years had past, now millions of Christians have worship on Sunday. "The Son of man is Lord also of the Sabbath {Luke 6:5} Here Jesus stated His claim and forbid anyone to meddle with the Sabbath, Yet He knew their will be those who would claim the power to Change God's law. Through Daniel He warned of just such a man. Describing of a "Little horn power" {Daniel 7:8} Daniel describes he will speak against the Most High and oppress His Saints, and try to change the set times and the Laws" {Daniel 7:25}

Paul made a similar prediction:" Don't let anyone deceive you in any way, for that day will not come until the rebellion occurs and the man of lawlessness is revealed, the man doomed to destruction. He will appose and will exalt himself over everything he is called God or is worshipped, so that he sets himself up in God's temple, proclaiming Himself to be God. {2 Thessalonians 2:3-7}
{Here is something for you-The Pope claims he can forgive Sins}
Paul warned that the blasphemy was already at work, and that is will come not from the outside influence, but from within the Church {2 Thessalonians 2:7, Acts 20:28-30} Sure enough, not long after Paul's day, apostasy appeared in the Church.
About a 100 years before Christianity, Egyptian, Mithraists introduce the festival of Sunday, dedicated to worshipping the Sun, into the Roman empire. Later as Christianity grew, Church leaders wished to increase the numbers of the Church. In order to make the gospel more attractive to non Christians, pagan customs were incorporated into the Church ceremonies. The custom of Sunday worship was welcomed by Christians who desired to differentiate themselves from the Jews, whom they hated because of the Jew's rejection of the savoir. The first day of the began to be recognised as both a religious and civil holiday. By the end of the second century, Christians considered it sinful to work on Sunday.

The Roman emperor Constantine, a former Sun worshipper, confessed conversion to Christianity, through his subsequent actions suggest the "conversion" was more of a Political move then a genuine heart change. Constantine named himself bishop of the Catholic Church, and enacted the first civil law regarding Sunday Observance in A.D.321.
Firstly this information may shoot straight over your head, but at least with this information in front of you, you dolphinheart worship a day, that the Catholic Church had designed for religious witnesses as yourself.

And if you don't know which day you should worship then I advise you to stay at home and study some of Romes history why they changed the Sabbath day, into the Sunday-History states through Pagan religion, they don't worship the SON they worship the SUN.

You want answers but you aren't prepared to read or watch them-Secondly I gave you the video so maybe you could have learned something about History, but I suppose that's to difficult for you, to even know such knowledge.
I would hate to be a JW, it must be hard for you all, not allowed to study outside the Church, if the JW's are as good as they believe they are-then why do you believe in the unknown God and not Jesus

Dolphinheart's Quote> How does this affect the witnesses? The answer to this question it does, People from all walks of life are searching for the truth, and because of the many religious back grounds around the world, people are becoming more confused, and in most cases people walk the other way.
You believed Jesus tithed-the truth is He didn't tithe. With all the wrong teachings around the world, people run the other way.

The KJV would be the most closes to the 1611 version written bible ever made.

If I had a JW at my door and a Mormon of the latter day saints at my door at the same time, what information do you believe I would receive about Jesus? None.. You don't preach it, so why should he

And since you believe you know all the answers, then at least answer this>If the Sabbath was part of the Mosaic law and it was ruled out by Jesus. Then who changed the law and gave a new commandment to worship on Sunday-that all Churches may follow

dolphinheart:

BROCAB , WHY DO YOU HAVE TO DESCEND TO THIS NEW LOW AGAIN! WHY DO YOU NEED TO DO THIS!
WE ARE STILL DISCUSSING ABOUT THE FACT THAT YOU SHOULD STOP CUTTING OFF PARTS OF MY POST, NOW YOU HAVE DESCENDED FROM DEFAMATION TO FORGERY!
WHY SHOULD YOU ALTER MY WORDS!
WHY SHOULD YOU ADD MY NAME TO QUOTES THAT NEVER ORIGINATED FROM ME!
BROCAB, THIS IS A NEW LOW AND SHOULD STOP IMMEDIATELY!


sir, Temple tax is different from tithe!, and these tax , Jesus did pay, even though he is not supposed to pay!
so brocab, do you pay tithe today!( plus notice if he will answer)
you also did not respond to the other issues too!

Jesus observed the sabbath like anyone who was under the mosaic law did.
You latch on to Jesus observation of the sabath, do you latch on to the other things Jesus did too? no.
do you observe the other festivals Jesus observed, NO ! , why don't you do that?
Do you observe the other holy commands of mosaic law like Jesus did? no !
do you do all the things related to the sabbath? no !


Jesus broke the Sabbath rules? wow!, plso explain how Jesus healing a man results to breaking of the rules. seems you know nothing about the Sabbath and it's rules in the mosaic law.


this exists only in your mind, for tens of pages on this thread, I've been talking about Jesus and his God! quoting scriptures that contain jesus' own words.



yet you that study could not quote and explain certain scriptures!



hope the info will include how you came about sabbath sartu r day, and how Christians are to worship on sabbath sartuday!



as a Christian, what day did the scriptures tell you to worship !


King James Version
Lu 6:5And he said unto them, That the Son of man is Lord also of the sabbath.
you have graduated from mentioning verses that do not exist to saying things about verses that are not present in them.

Mr 2:27, 28Then he said to them: “The Sabbath came into existence for the sake of man, and not man for the sake of the Sabbath.28So the Son of man is Lord even of the Sabbath.”

Ex 20:9, 10You are to labor and do all your work for six days,10but the seventh day is a sabbath to Jehovah your God. You must not do any work, neither you nor your son nor your daughter nor your slave man nor your slave girl nor your domestic animal nor your foreign resident who is inside your settlements.

does the scriptures say Christians should worship only on one day of the week? no
does the scriptures say Christians should worship on the sabbath? no


pls, include birthday to this pagan influenced doctrine o!


has your write up been able to show they altered sabbath day? no
does the churches say they observe the sabbath on Sunday ? no
have you been able to show where Christians are supposed to observe the sabbath law? no
have you shown the day Christians are supposed to worship ? no !

your write up could not answer any of the questions above!

Secondly.
have you been able to prove the day dolphinheart worships ? no
because one worships on Sunday, will it automatically mean that one follows the law of the Catholic Church? no!
is it possible two organization's can choose same day for their worship, using different guidelines? Yes!



I will advise you to open ya mouth and tell which day Christians are supposed to worship !


they do not believe in an unknown god, severAl times I've told you about their God, I'll tell you one more time !

[b]Joh 17:3And this is life eternal, that they might know thee the only true God, and Jesus Christ, whom thou hast sent.

1Jo 5:20But we know that the Son of God has come, and he has given us insight so that we may gain the knowledge of the one who is true. And we are in union with the one who is true, by means of his Son Jesus Christ. This is the true God and life everlasting

1Co 1:3May you have undeserved kindness and peace from God our Father and the Lord Jesus Christ.

1Co 8:5For even though there are so-called gods, whether in heaven or on earth, just as there are many “gods” and many “lords,”
1Co 8:6[u]there is actually to us one God, the Father,[/u] from whom all things are and we for him; and there is one Lord, Jesus Christ, through whom all things are and we through him.

Joh 20:17Jesus said to her: “Stop clinging to me, for I have not yet ascended to the Father. But go to my brothers and say to them, ‘I am ascending to my Father and your Father and to my God and your God.’”[/b]

brocab, my god is not unknown, he is the god of Jesus, the father, the almighty God, Jehovah!


you failed to address the "these" and how it affects the witnesses !


and so ?
do they have most of the manuscripts available today then(at that time)? no!


witnesses will tell you about Jesus, how God sent him to come and redeem us , how he will be king of God's Kingdom which he will use to solve all of mankind's problem , how he is the mediator between us and his God. They will also tell you how one can gain evaluating life through the knowledge of Jesus and the one who sent him, Jehovah, the father, the only true god !.

dolphinheart:

BROCAB , WHY DO YOU HAVE TO DESCEND TO THIS NEW LOW AGAIN! WHY DO YOU NEED TO DO THIS!
WE ARE STILL DISCUSSING ABOUT THE FACT THAT YOU SHOULD STOP CUTTING OFF PARTS OF MY POST, NOW YOU HAVE DESCENDED FROM DEFAMATION TO FORGERY!
WHY SHOULD YOU ALTER MY WORDS!
WHY SHOULD YOU ADD MY NAME TO QUOTES THAT NEVER ORIGINATED FROM ME!
BROCAB, THIS IS A NEW LOW AND SHOULD STOP IMMEDIATELY!


sir, Temple tax is different from tithe!, and these tax , Jesus did pay, even though he is not supposed to pay!
so brocab, do you pay tithe today!( plus notice if he will answer)
you also did not respond to the other issues too!

Jesus observed the sabbath like anyone who was under the mosaic law did.
You latch on to Jesus observation of the sabath, do you latch on to the other things Jesus did too? no.
do you observe the other festivals Jesus observed, NO ! , why don't you do that?
Do you observe the other holy commands of mosaic law like Jesus did? no !
do you do all the things related to the sabbath? no !


Jesus broke the Sabbath rules? wow!, plso explain how Jesus healing a man results to breaking of the rules. seems you know nothing about the Sabbath and it's rules in the mosaic law.


this exists only in your mind, for tens of pages on this thread, I've been talking about Jesus and his God! quoting scriptures that contain jesus' own words.



yet you that study could not quote and explain certain scriptures!



hope the info will include how you came about sabbath sartu r day, and how Christians are to worship on sabbath sartuday!



as a Christian, what day did the scriptures tell you to worship !


King James Version
Lu 6:5And he said unto them, That the Son of man is Lord also of the sabbath.
you have graduated from mentioning verses that do not exist to saying things about verses that are not present in them.

Mr 2:27, 28Then he said to them: “The Sabbath came into existence for the sake of man, and not man for the sake of the Sabbath.28So the Son of man is Lord even of the Sabbath.”

Ex 20:9, 10You are to labor and do all your work for six days,10but the seventh day is a sabbath to Jehovah your God. You must not do any work, neither you nor your son nor your daughter nor your slave man nor your slave girl nor your domestic animal nor your foreign resident who is inside your settlements.

does the scriptures say Christians should worship only on one day of the week? no
does the scriptures say Christians should worship on the sabbath? no


pls, include birthday to this pagan influenced doctrine o!


has your write up been able to show they altered sabbath day? no
does the churches say they observe the sabbath on Sunday ? no
have you been able to show where Christians are supposed to observe the sabbath law? no
have you shown the day Christians are supposed to worship ? no !

your write up could not answer any of the questions above!

Secondly.
have you been able to prove the day dolphinheart worships ? no
because one worships on Sunday, will it automatically mean that one follows the law of the Catholic Church? no!
is it possible two organization's can choose same day for their worship, using different guidelines? Yes!



I will advise you to open ya mouth and tell which day Christians are supposed to worship !


they do not believe in an unknown god, severAl times I've told you about their God, I'll tell you one more time !

[b]Joh 17:3And this is life eternal, that they might know thee the only true God, and Jesus Christ, whom thou hast sent.

1Jo 5:20But we know that the Son of God has come, and he has given us insight so that we may gain the knowledge of the one who is true. And we are in union with the one who is true, by means of his Son Jesus Christ. This is the true God and life everlasting

1Co 1:3May you have undeserved kindness and peace from God our Father and the Lord Jesus Christ.

1Co 8:5For even though there are so-called gods, whether in heaven or on earth, just as there are many “gods” and many “lords,”
1Co 8:6[u]there is actually to us one God, the Father,[/u] from whom all things are and we for him; and there is one Lord, Jesus Christ, through whom all things are and we through him.

Joh 20:17Jesus said to her: “Stop clinging to me, for I have not yet ascended to the Father. But go to my brothers and say to them, ‘I am ascending to my Father and your Father and to my God and your God.’”[/b]

brocab, my god is not unknown, he is the god of Jesus, the father, the almighty God, Jehovah!


you failed to address the "these" and how it affects the witnesses !


and so ?
do they have most of the manuscripts available today then(at that time)? no!


witnesses will tell you about Jesus, how God sent him to come and redeem us , how he will be king of God's Kingdom which he will use to solve all of mankind's problem , how he is the mediator between us and his God. They will also tell you how one can gain evaluating life through the knowledge of Jesus and the one who sent him, Jehovah, the father, the only true god !.

CANTICLES:


Good, that UV corrected yourself by adding the strike through .

I only want to let you know your initial statement that as a Matter Of FACT , Jesus broke the Sabbath rules was extremely wrong .

you even called it a matter of Fact . spiritual blindness.

dolphinheart:


must I agree to what the op says,? no!
can I counter what the op says,? Yes
was the op right about God and the word? no
could the op counter my arguments and comment on the scriptures I used as proof? no
did I counted the ops arguement? Yes!

up till this moment, he could not show where he responded to my explanation!



did dolphinheart talk about God and the word?
has dolphinheart been able to proof without response from the op that the real god and the word is not his god? Yes !.
This is the reason why up till now, he cannot provide the transcript of what transpired in that thread!, he could only try and justify his accusations based on his understanding and could never provide the full texts of our posts.

PLS NOTE, HE IS USING THE PREVIOUS ISSUE TO COVER UP HIS INABILITY TO SHOW US WHERE HE RESPONDED TO MY EXPLANATION( the main issue at hand)


you have still refused to apologise for your first accusation, but as you have decided to modify it without apology, you could not provide the post I said it!


you did not provide a link to my post sir!, you could provide a link to all the post , but you where asked to provide a link, to my post. I short , I dare you to post my full text in your next post if you can!
at least when issues of who said what comes up, I point to the date, time and page which the statement came up. This you gave refused to do!


oga, show where you responded to my explanation and let's see!

dolphinheart:


then it should be easy for you to post it na! right? , wrong!, cus you too refuse to post the full text of what you have seen!

brocab:
I had seen it myself bro, Dolphinheart will never own up to the truth.

johnw74:




Ha ha, you saw it because you saw the link I gave to it, where dolphinheart said: "your God is two persons in one!, a two headed God!."

and see how he still lies, denying he said it.

false jw in lying is just taking after his father, it's impossible for him not to lie.


Jesus was talking to here, yes you guessed it, to the pharisees, the fore fathers of the supossed jehovah's witnesses:

Joh_8:44 Ye are of your father the devil, and the lusts of your father ye will do. He was a murderer from the beginning, and abode not in the truth, because there is no truth in him. When he speaketh a lie, he speaketh of his own: for he is a liar, and the father of it.