seguntijan:


Well analyzed but not yet complete without the BUILDER
THEN WHO IS A BUILDER?

someone first asked, what is the difference between a builder and a civil engineer?
I took time to enlightened him; read along with me.
Concerning professionals in construction industry, let me briefly state the roles of relating profession.
we all believe that the major role of an architect is production of building plans; considering some principles, (not to construct or supervise building production.)
Her own is to liaise with the builder on how to bring his dream on the CAD or paper to reality. The builder ensures BUILDABLITY. Mind you, Architectural design is not a graphics design.
For acclaimed civil Engineers, categorically speaking, they have seven branches and that a part of it is the structures.
The role of structural engineer is to design for all structural members such as beams, columns slabs structural steelwork etc., liaise her design with the builder on how visible is the fabrication of all these members and their arrangement to fulfill the aim of his design( under worst loading the structure most not fail).
A building services man designs for mechanical/ electrical services and liaise with builder on the arrangement and fixing ( hmmm... I know you will argue that he can't do that)
The quantity surveyor takes care of the estimations of project.
Now, who understands estimation process the more? structural engineer, architect, others professionals?
The fact remains that, if (Qs) overestimate or price substandard materials or add up what is not suppose to be, it is only a builder that understand the techniques of estimation.
so what's now the work of a builder?
From the aforementioned premises, judge for yourself.
The next question the person asked is ,you mean it is only builders that can do all d work on site, when it comes to structures?
I laughed, and i gave emphatic NO.
According to Nigeria building code, builders are not trained to hijack the work of other professions but due to the vast scope of our profession, we use all the knowledge we gain from all others professions to carry out BUILDING PRODUCTION MANAGEMENT....
That's why a builder can easily detect error and suggest correction to architect design because, whenever he sees design, he does not only view it from the perspective based on architectural mentality alone but reason about the structural stability, estimation in other to be economically safe and comfort of the occupant(s) and maintenance including the aesthetical view.
Hope you are getting along.
The next question ,what is d difference between structural and civil engineer?
To me, to call someone civil engineer is a wrong usage because the word ''civil engineer'' is like a general name that encompasses all construction expertise.
so, ''structural engineer'' is someone who's area of specialisation in civil engineering is mainly in structures.
someone that specialise in highway construction is not a structural engineer which implies he/she should not have any thing to do with structures. Mind you, a structural engineer is not a builder
Friends, construction is in three(3) aspects. The design, fabrication(pro
duction and management) and maintenance.
So, if your interest is more of design, then, architecture or civil engineering is good but if your interest is the actual construction of building (of course, we all want to bring our dreams of building or structure to come true) then, the best choice for you is to call on '' A BUILDER'' which in the profession is the only professional that span across all other professions in construction company industries for effective delivery of a project.
NB. As regards the incessant building collapse in Nigeria that have been recorded so far, who then are those responsible for such project. Is it not those that form bossy on such project(s) and yet it collapsed?
Hummm... the so called engineers, architects and sometimes Estate surveyors.
Mind you,since the builders have been handling projects and structure, BUILDERS have NO record(s) on building that are managed and supervised by a professional builders that have ever collapsed in Nigeria !!! you can Google search to confirm... No not one.(1)
...ALL PROFESSIONS IN BUILT ENVIRONMENT ARE UNIQUE IN THEIR OWN WAYS..
The next question is, who is now suppose to be the project manager of structures?
Be wise, choose by yourself. Let me say a project manager is someone that have knowledge to manage a project. Mind you, project are of different types. Here, We talk about structures, who is suppose to be the project manager?
Be wise, engage professional (builders) for effective delivery.
BUILDERS BUILD RIGHT.
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CASTOSVILLA:
I didn't like how you described the work of the Architect here. He's the Chief consultant, he employs and supervises other professionals involved in any building project. This is a part we neglect and do not inform the clients about due to reasons best known to you guys. We don't only make designs, we supervise the project strictly with the guidance of the design so that the client will get his demand. OP who told you that a structural engineer is involved in the aesthetic designing of any building? Please say what you know.

troubleshooter:
@Op, pls are U a new school leaver? what is d motive 4 this tread?
The building industry has been grappling with the inundation of overwhelming presence of quacks in every practice. How come u are shooting urself and other professionals by handing the necessary tools needed to all existing & aspiring quacks. Don't u think u owe ur profession the duty to preserve its sanctity. U shld have bn rational enough to know when 'little' becomes 'too much' Uve laid bare here the anatomy of a simple building wch is enough info 4 me. Why do I need a Q/S anymore? Thanx anyway.
Its still people like u that wld come here sometime later and complain that architects & builders are carpet-crossing into ur professional practice.

AssoJnr:
Sorry bro, the site plan is the responsibility of a Town Planner not Surveyor. following...

EgunMogaji:


**knocks but no one answers
**opens door and walks into a dark room
**flicks on the light switch, nothing
**mutters "koni dafun NEPA"
**walks out and closes the door
**going home but will stop to get some opa eyin
**salivates on how that woman will get his "ibon to ti ki" tonight

bisola99:
Nice informative analysis op! Let me av yur contact tru; boldvilleproperties@gmail.com

papiforreal:


the op is an idiot.. what is then the point of your profession if you teach anybody how to estimate. what does qs do a part from taking off

Rubyventures:
At what stage do you do the electrics and plumbing, cos I cant see I on any of these lists.

thisisod:
You can get an excel sheet that does all the estimation and quantification from me. With a bonus of a quick concrete content calculator that give you the quantity of sand, cement and water to produce your concreting work with your selected mix ratio 08115801276, ikpehchi@gmail.com

NLresidentQS:


Abuse ignored.

When you teach someone basics, you are only exposing and guiding him so that he can go along with you.
Do you know how many documents on all professional procedures are available out there online? For free?

Widen your horizon, sir.

Quantity surveyors are not just taker offs. We prepare valuations, contract documents, certificates and tender documents. But many advanced procedures can't really be explained online.

I will have to organize a 5-year class for that!

NLresidentQS:


Electrical and plumbing mostly comes after blockork after roofing, before finishing. I hope I answered your question.

NLresidentQS:


The world is moving to open-source knowledge. I will forgive your mild insults, sir.

The global wave now is a we-practice, no more me-practice. Let the public know. But even as much as they know, they can't ignore the services of someone trained. I beg to differ that I, as a builder of a five storey complex, will rely on my knowledge of basic estimating, basic in bold, and not employ the services of a specialist.

When Google made Android open source, hackers didn't take over. The world is better when we are all informed.

hopara1:
Greatest buider!Great!no mind dat wanna be QS guy with him incomplete team!Am a Prof.Builder in-view!pls i go like to get more n more enligtmemt from u jare.becus we builders makes imaginations(paper works) to become REALITY!
@Seguntijan, Atom

CASTOSVILLA:
I didn't like how you described the work of the Architect here. He's the Chief consultant, he employs and supervises other professionals involved in any building project.:- The project manager is the chief consultant and anybody can be a project manager.
This is a part we neglect and do not inform the clients about due to reasons best known to you guys:-. Do you also educate the client on the role of professional and convince him to embrace it?
We don't only make designs, we supervise the project strictly with the guidance of the design so that the client will get his demand. :- You only supervise architectural design sir, not all designs. while structural engineer also supervise for structural design.
OP who told you that a structural engineer is involved in the aesthetic designing of any building? :- A structural engineer also can influence your decision about aesthetic though it's your primary duty. Please say what you know:- Hope you can also follow suit .

karleone:


Sir, you haven't sent those files you said you'll send to me. Still waiting on you.
Can I get the excel sheet for estimation and the quick concrete content calculator from you?

NLresidentQS:


I see my boss' boss!

Twaile sir.

I stoop to learn.

NLresidentQS:


The world is moving to open-source knowledge. I will forgive your mild insults, sir.

The global wave now is a we-practice, no more me-practice. Let the public know. But even as much as they know, they can't ignore the services of someone trained. I beg to differ that I, as a builder of a five storey complex, will rely on my knowledge of basic estimating, basic in bold, and not employ the services of a specialist.

When Google made Android open source, hackers didn't take over. The world is better when we are all informed.

troubleshooter:


Apologies. No insults intended wt my use of sacarsm.
U seem to either live & practice abroad, in Utopia, or just blind to the challenges of professional practice in 3rd world countries. The 'we-practice' notion is innovative, liberal. & forward-thinking. But more sensible in climes wt better building practice structures not the near-jungle market experience in nigeria. Perhaps u don't know that in Nigeria, we have more clients patronizing quacks, cheap carpet-crossers and DIYs than consulting professionals.
Honestly, do u think as a Q/S, u shld be only consulted when the project is more than a 5 storey? So u are not needed in single living unit home projects?
NIA, ARCON, NSE, CORBON, NIQS etc have too much on their plate battling wt Quacks. Stop making their Jobs more herculean because u r trying to institute 1st world ideas in a 3rd world country. In a 1st world country, consulting a professional is the 1st move by clients. Here, its a last resort if @ all they Do.
Enlightening the populace is a must by all professsional bodies. But in this, I think u went too far than ws necessary. Whatever noble thing it is u are trying to do here, u just helped in breeding more quacks who wld rather attempt to do estimates by themselves rather than consult u 4 their private home projects.

EgunMogaji:


I hail you, go forth yee, nothing do you.

You've avoided my number one pet peeve by not saying that ALL building projects needs a QS on board. We don't always need one and is not a requirement.

An Architect actually owns the project and hires those other professionals, at least here sha. But I won't take that fight on with you.

I'm busy right now defending my choice of installing a lightning arrestor on my bungalow and hot water heater. Oh and not posting pictures of my build because you know that's showing off.

Carry go.

NLresidentQS:


Now here is a very good point, very matured presentation. Very good one. And I will have to reconsider my stance before moving on.

I will contact an executive at NIQS HQ. Moving on or retracting will depend on their response. I hope we have a middle point here.

CASTOSVILLA:
Sir, I know that you understood my argument and that it's the plain truth about the matter. Please stop the cunning response and embrace the naked facts, it'll do well to guide you accordingly.