hopefulLandlord:


we now have a "belief system"?
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It's like you don't understand the" believe system" that physicist was talking about. You know your believe system as an atheist. Or you want me to tell you?

hopefulLandlord:

*modified

winner01:
Ol boi, the probability of cloudgoddess regressing to fish form is seriously low, almost impossible.

But one way or the other, she believes she came from a fish that walked on land.

Chai, just because she needs an alternative for God

As in eh . I strongly believe most atheists are just nominal evolutionists - they have rejected God and accepted the alternative hook , line and sinker . Even if it does not make sense , they just have to accept it .

Dejideji1:


Bro i have read some of your comments and i can see your frustration. But I have some questions for you, and afterwards pls read what follows patiently.

1. What do you want to gain by being an Atheist or what do you want to achieve?

It's not a religion or worldview.. It's just a position on the existence of a god. I didn't become an atheist to "gain" anything.. I became an atheist because I'm not convinced that a god exists, if you become an atheist because you think you're going to get some reward you're going to be extremely disappointed.

2. What is the meaning of life? Does it have any meaning?

This is a very open-ended question

the meaning differs from person to person, even your own and the next person beside you would differ

For the second question above, we are all passing time on this earth right? since death is inevitable and everyday we are getting closer and closer to our death.

So what will you loose being a Christian because from your comments i can see you were formerly a Christian. Since everything in life is vanity, what point are you trying to prove?

you're perhaps seeing everything in a business view, you either gain or lose, that's not how it works bro

As Christians there is a hope of an afterlife no matter how vague it may seem to you. Some other religions also have this hope. But as an Atheist which hope do you have?

And like many Christians have said on this forum before, why not live your life as if there is a God and after death find out there is none then you don't lose anything rather than live like there is none and end up discovering there is one? Then face the dire consequences

Pascal's wager (which you're referring to) has too many holes and just straightforward defines God as Yahweh, what if after serving that god, you die and find out Vishnu is the one true God? aren't you in just as bad a situation as you think I would be? think about it and there are many Gods all over the world, your chances of getting the right one is 1/x; x being total number of Gods in the world

And mind you, the promise of an afterlife comes with a price just like every other things. But it's not that expensive, it won't cost you money, it will only cost you your sin.

I guess that is what majority of you guys are running away from, hence hiding under Atheism to enjoy an unrestrained lifestyle.
from the little interaction I have had with some of your colleagues, i can see that most of you like to engage in fornication, drinking, smoking, partying, drugs and so many other ill acts

That's how you imagine an atheist life?
you're guessing wrong bro, many religious people do those same things and still go to mosque or churches and still believes in God, it cuts across whether you're theist or atheist, moral and religion has to be separated even though they're somehow intertwined.

We all know the outcome of those practices, so what still gives you the conviction that they are right?

let me speak for myself because I can't speak for all atheists
I haven't changed for the bad in ANY way, in fact some people when they learn of my atheism usually look surprised because I'm total opposite of what they expect an atheist to be
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I'm not blowing my horns here but a neighbour of mine once tried to convert me and raised a similar point about atheists wanting to engage in vices with no one to answer to

I asked him a sincere question and said his god is listening so he should give me a sincere and truthful answer
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the question went thus : is there any bad behaviour of mine you observe and think that the avera Christian doesn't engage in?
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he said right there that there's none as far as he can see
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there might be atheists that became atheists so they can engage in vices but don't paint all atheists with the same brush
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there's absolutely NO difference between the worst behaved atheist and the worst behaved theist
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and there's absolutely NO difference between the best behaved atheist and the best behaved theist

Dejideji1:


It's like you don't understand the" believe system" that physicist was talking about. You know your believe system as an atheist. Or you want me to tell you?

please, do tell me

hopefulLandlord:


nope it cuts both ways, Muslim extremists just make their own much more open

You are absolutely right. But unfortunately the dude you replied has the mind of a 5 year old.How can he understand Atheism cannot be a religion . It is only a disbelief in gods

hopefulLandlord:


please, do tell me

You do not believe in God and the supernatural.
(You rely solely on rational thinking/logical explanation and science to approach the paranormal, which is not possible hence your conclusion that they don't exist.)

winner01:
We can judge if those christians are doing the right thing from the life of Jesus Christ.

they're are Christians, that's what matters after all you're classing all atheists as bigots here, don't be a hypocrite

I hope i dont. Although, some have used religion to get to the top in the past. I hope it does not happen again.

You are taking out your frustrations on religious people? Cos thats what atheists here do everyday and night.

that is how it seems

Wow, so the quotes of nairaland atheists is not enough proof of their bigotry and violent tendencies. You want me to go to each of their houses and take their pictures. Great, just great!!

bro, you fully misunderstood my points, there are militant atheists in those foreign countries because there's freedom to believe or not to believe

this is an anonymous forum where you can be anything you want, and sometimes say anything you wouldn't dare say in real life

Well, I respect your honesty.

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thanks

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I'm sorry about that but you need to learn how to manage situations. Once they ask you "Which one you come be", Just sound like buhari and tell them "Chief, I belong to everybody and belong to nobody"

too late for that, although that's even WORSE than saying you're atheists because the average Nigerian thinks you're either Christian, Muslim or Traditional worshipper, once you claim you're for no one and everyone while looking uninterested during prayers, they automatically assume you worship Sango or any of the other Local gods which is worse than being an atheist, only an atheist would understand what I mean

Dont use the word "WE", just speak for yourself. Atheists on nairaland spend their lives preaching atheism, you can check both old and new threads of atheists on this section.

even I am guilty of this sometimes, I wonder why we can't though with the threat of hell fire being thrown around almost every time, you're bound to snap, if you can preach Jesus freely, let them preach atheism freely

Thats quite impressive, I hope you advise your brothers here on how to be a real atheist sometime soon.

like I said, online and real life is different, me for instance have NEVER seen anyone Physically preaching atheism but you're free to say anything online
have you ever held a cry in before, you held it in so bad because you can't afford people seeing you cry but then finally get home to cry? you'll cry very well, a lot more than you would've cried in front of people had pride not stopped you, that's how it feels, we finally have an online forum to express our unbelief, it can sometimes cross a line

if you don't like it, ignore, if you can't ignore, leave this forum totally, its not by force

Maybe not, I just need to correct certain notions about atheism and expose the inherent negativity of some atheists.

but your posts does not refer to " some atheist " you're saying ALL atheists, I even asked ebuka if Atheism=bigotry and he said yes

If anything, history proves that atheists have been far more dangerous and heartless in their quest to see atheism dominate the world. A process that is still ongoing in the world that permits and advocates freedom, the christian world. We do not hear of such in the muslim world. Why then are atheists trying to suppress the same freedom which has given them a voice?

this is a whole new argument I'm not ready to go into

This section is already one-sided, we can only balance it by doing this whenever we have the time.

I lean towards disagreeing, I think (only a thought) that you're scared atheism is increasing by the day on this forum, you think this can't be allowed to continue so you attack atheists but in so doing you're making that worse

Dejideji1:


You do not believe in God and the supernatural.
(You rely solely on rational thinking/logical explanation and science to approach the paranormal, which is not possible hence your conclusion that they don't exist.)

atheist lack belief in god, that's all

do not add or remove

hopefulLandlord:


It's not a religion or worldview.. It's just a position on the existence of a god. I didn't become an atheist to "gain" anything.. I became an atheist because I'm not convinced that a god exists, if you become an atheist because you think you're going to get some reward you're going to be extremely disappointed.

Bro most of you guys here on NL that I have encountered are agnostic Atheists and you have also confirmed you are one

You are not dead sure that God doesn't exist, so why play with risk? Why gamble with your eternity?

hopefulLandlord:


Pascal's wager (which you're referring to) has too many holes and just straightforward defines God as Yahweh, what if after serving that god, you die and find out Vishnu is the one true God? aren't you in just as bad a situation as you think I would be? think about it and there are many Gods all over the world, your chances of getting the right one is 1/x; x being total number of Gods in the world

This is quite ridiculous of you, how many Gods created the universe and everything in it? Bro don't be deceived, there is only one God.

I can see you have read some mischievous materials online because i can see some funny names up there, and this is one of the problems we have to cope with in this modern day of information explosion. But I insist, do not be deceived.

hopefulLandlord:


That's how you imagine an atheist life?
you're guessing wrong bro, many religious people do those same things and still go to mosque or churches and still believes in God, it cuts across whether you're theist or atheist, moral and religion has to be separated even though they're somehow intertwined.

@the boldened, stop deceiving your self those people are not serving God sincerely even the Bible said on the last day some people will say:

didn't i cast out demons in your name and did other great works in your name? And he will tell them depart from me ye workers of iniquity for i know you not. and they will be cast in to the lake of Fire

Look Bro, it's only God that knows who is truly serving him, so don't be surprised if some so called pastors don't make it.

hopefulLandlord:


let me speak for myself because I can't speak for all atheists
I haven't changed for the bad in ANY way, in fact some people when they learn of my atheism usually look surprised because I'm total opposite of what they expect an atheist to be
.

I'm not blowing my horns here but a neighbour of mine once tried to convert me and raised a similar point about atheists wanting to engage in vices with no one to answer to

I asked him a sincere question and said his god is listening so he should give me a sincere and truthful answer
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the question went thus : is there any bad behaviour of mine you observe and think that the avera Christian doesn't engage in?
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he said right there that there's none as far as he can see
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there might be atheists that became atheists so they can engage in vices but don't paint all atheists with the same brush
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there's absolutely NO difference between the worst behaved atheist and the worst behaved theist
.

and there's absolutely NO difference between the best behaved atheist and the best behaved theist

Bro let me tell you something you may not know, you can do all the good in this life, but as long as you do not acknowledge God your creator or belong to any institution that acknowledges God, you are merely wasting your time because he doesn't know you.

In fact Jesus made it clear that if you deny him here on earth he will also deny you in heaven.

Dejideji1:


Bro most of you guys here on NL that I have encountered are agnostic Atheists and you have also confirmed you are one

You are not dead sure that God doesn't exist, so why play with risk? Why gamble with your eternity?



This quite ridiculous of you, how many Gods created the universe and everything in it? Bro don't be deceived, there is only one God.

I can see you have read some mischievous materials online because i can see some funny names up there, and this is one of the problems we have to cope with in this modern day of information explosion. But I insist, do not be deceived.



@the boldened, stop deceiving your self those people are not serving God sincerely even the Bible said on the last day some people will say:

didn't i cast out demons in your name and did other great works in your name? And he will tell them to depart from me ye workers of iniquity and they will be cast in to the lake of Fire

Look Bro, it's only God that knows who is truly serving him, so don't be surprised if some so called pastors don't make it.




Bro let me tell you something you may not know, you can do all the good in this life, but as long as you do not acknowledge God or belong to any institution that acknowledges God, you are merely wasting your time because he doesn't know you.

In fact Jesus made it clear that if you deny him, here on earth he will also deny you in heaven.

I could've engaged you further but you're too inexperienced in this for me
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I'm not insulting you though

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its just the truth

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you're not even debating atheism vs theism

you're debating Christianity vs atheism

that's where you're lacking experience in discussions like this

.

all Muslims according to your logic are going to hell, right?

a Muslim is a theist FYI

winner01: You know what would be ironic if the bible was true? Going to hell for lying for Jesus.

"and all liars, shall have their part in the lake which burneth with fire and brimstone: which is the second death." Revelations 21:8.

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Seun:
winner01: You know what would be ironic if the bible was true? Going to hell for lying for Jesus.

"and all liars, shall have their part in the lake which burneth with fire and brimstone: which is the second death." Revelations 21:8.

So what exactly is the lie in all the claims ive made so far?

Seun:
winner01: You know what would be ironic if the bible was true? Going to hell for lying for Jesus.

"and all liars, shall have their part in the lake which burneth with fire and brimstone: which is the second death." Revelations 21:8.

Haa ! Even when we also posted sniped tweets from atheists and even posts from Nairaland atheists ? Stop being disingenuous oo

hopefulLandlord:

I could've engaged you further but you're too inexperienced in this for me
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I'm not insulting you though

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its just the truth

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you're not even debating atheism vs theism

you're debating Christianity vs atheism

that's where you're lacking experience in discussions like this

.

all Muslims according to your logic are going to hell, right?

a Muslim is a theist FYI

Bro, you make me laugh with this comment, you can't engage further? too inexperienced? Is that a way of conceding defeat?

For the second part of your reply, it seems like you didn't pay close attention to the details in my first post. Else you won't tag this "Christianity vs atheism Debate" .

This is a personal chat between you and I, and you stated it clearly that you were formerly a Christian so I had to engage you based on that.

Dejideji1:


Bro, you make me laugh with this comment, you can't engage further, too inexperienced? Is that a way of conceding defeat?

For the second part of your reply, it seems like you didn't pay close attention to the details in my first post. Else you won't tag this "Christianity vs atheism Debate" .

This is a personal chat between you and I, and you stated it clearly that you were formerly a Christian so I had to engage you based on that.

my religious life is gone, ignore the fact that I was a former Christian
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please, don't engage me personally

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face the discussion at hand, this is Theism vs Atheism

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keep it that way beacuse there's NOTHING new you can say to me, not underrating you, just the truth

but dejideji, rather than preach to me about Christianity. why not just pray to your god to touch my heart? I mean, many people have Personally preached to me many many times over the years

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just do that if you're so interested in getting me back to the Christian fold

hopefulLandlord:


my religious life is gone, ignore the fact that I was a former Christian
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please, don't engage me personally

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face the discussion at hand, this is Theism vs Atheism

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keep it that way beacuse there's NOTHING new you can say to me, not underrating you, just the truth

Alright Bro, but consider the risk.,

Dejideji1:

Alright Bro, but consider the risk.,

read my next post

hopefulLandlord:
but dejideji, rather than preach to me about Christianity. why not just pray to your god to touch my heart? I mean, many people have Personally preached to me many many times over the years

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just do that if you're so interested in getting me back to the Christian fold

I still insist you consider the risk.

Weigh your options. A word is enough for the wise.

hopefulLandlord:


why not just pray to your god to touch my heart?

My god? What do you mean? That is derogatory. I keep saying it, do not be deceived, there is only one God., which is the one that created the universe.

There can be several gods but only one God. Note the upper case there and stop saying 'my god'
that goes for Idol worshipers.

Dejideji1:


I still insist you consider the risk.

Weigh your options. A word is enough for the wise.

Haven't been in this section in a while but I must confess I'm so excited reading very intelligent posts from my Christian brothers. I'm seriously learning alot from you guys, I just pray for the enabling Grace to be like you guys and even much better and to draw more closer and stick to my God. I think I stand to learn alot more, hope you guys will mentor me? I seriously need one, lol! @winner01 @KingEbukasBlog and one felixomor or so(those are the few I've read from so far)
I may not have the points to prove or win in argument but my faith in my God still stands.
God bless you guys, am so happy, lol
PS: nobody should attack me o, I only bared my mind, you can read and pass mbok, this message is for those concerned,lol.

udysweet:
Haven't been in this section in a while but I must confess I'm so excited reading very intelligent posts from my Christian brothers. I'm seriously learning alot from you guys, I just pray for the enabling Grace to be like you guys and even much better and to draw more closer and stick to my God. I think I stand to learn alot more, hope you guys will mentor me? I seriously need one, lol! @winner01 @KingEbukasBlog and one felixomor or so(those are the few I've read from so far)
I may not have the points to prove or win in argument but my faith in my God still stands.
God bless you guys, am so happy, lol
PS: nobody should attack me o, I only bared my mind, you can read and pass mbok, this message is for those concerned,lol.

Thank you my lovely sister. For too long on this section, well studied atheists have met with weak christians. By God's grace, in our leisure time, we can keep exposing the irrationality of atheism. I'm also still learning like you ooo. lol.. I wish you all the best. May God continually be with us all.

Seun:
winner01: You know what would be ironic if the bible was true? Going to hell for lying for Jesus.

"and all liars, shall have their part in the lake which burneth with fire and brimstone: which is the second death." Revelations 21:8.

Atheism is the belief there was once absolutely nothing. And nothing happened to the nothing and then the nothing magically exploded (for no reason), creating everything and everywhere. Then a bunch of the exploded everything magically rearranged itself (for no reason whatsoever), into self-replicating bits which then turned into dinosaurs.

Does the above make sense to you? Yet they want to mock and explain my beliefs? They are simply placed here on earth to Provide us with Cosmic Comic relief.

What would actually be an irony is if that your above belief actually turns out to be true.


FYI nobody is instructed to lie FOR Jesus in the Scriptures. Where you quoted from in Revelations talks about the Devil being the father of lies so if you are a liar then you have automatically yoked yourself together with him so where he has been judged to go (which is hell) the liar would go with him as the choice of obedience or disobedience rests with the individual...likewise destination.

4everGod1:


Atheism is the belief there was once absolutely nothing. And nothing happened to the nothing and then the nothing magically exploded (for no reason), creating everything and everywhere. Then a bunch of the exploded everything magically rearranged itself (for no reason whatsoever), into self-replicating bits which then turned into dinosaurs.

Does the above make sense to you? Yet they want to mock and explain my beliefs? They are simply placed here on earth to Provide us with Cosmic Comic relief.

A familiar law states thus "...every object will remain at
rest or in uniform motion in a straight line unless
compelled to change its state by the action of an external
force"

The evidence of creation is so simple to comprehend except one deliberately ignores it. Man's creative mind is evidential of God the creator.

Those who probe the reason for faith have been appropriately defined by the scriptures.

dan2ene:


A familiar law states thus "...every object will remain at
rest or in uniform motion in a straight line unless
compelled to change its state by the action of an external
force"

The evidence of creation is so simple to comprehend except one deliberately ignores it. Man's creative mind is evidential of God the creator.

Those who probe the reason for faith have been appropriately defined by the scriptures.

Good

So which of the 5000 gods actually created the world?

That's a stupid question because you believe Yahweh created it

Same way Allah is said to have created it according to muslims

Same way Vishnu created it according to Hindus

And many other gods whose followers have faith that they're responsible for the creation

But don't worry. Only yours is actually correct

hopefulLandlord:



Good

So which of the 5000 gods actually created the world?

That's a stupid question because you believe Yahweh created it

Same way Allah is said to have created it according to muslims

Same way Vishnu created it according to Hindus

And many other gods whose followers have faith that they're responsible for the creation

But don't worry. Only yours is actually correct

Yeah only ours is actually correct and only your reasoning is trying to prove us wrong.

Question: if I put 10000 Atheists in a room andi ask them to tell me the Origin of the wind and where its going to..would they be able to?

Question: Do you know where you are going when you die?

Question: How did the planets form when the Big Bang explosion all of a sudden happened? After all, you don’t see round objects form when something blows up.

Question : if evolution is real, how can it explain gravity, angular momentum, human emotions, and why we worship God?

Question:Why do we not see half trees and half carrots, fronkeys, and crocoducks if evolution is real?

Question:Why do we not see black people come from white people?

Let me even cut it short.

What explains the fine tuning of the universe?
Why is the universe rational?
Where did the genetic code come from?
How is independent thought possible in a world ruled by chance and necessity?
How do we account for self-awareness?
How is free will possible in a material universe?


I decided to meet you on your own turf since you are n Atheist to ask you these questions based on your belief.

Make me an Atheist believer by answering just one of those questions.

I am waiting.

4everGod1:



Yeah only ours is actually correct and only your reasoning is trying to prove us wrong.

Question: if I put 10000 Atheists in a room andi ask them to tell me the Origin of the wind and where its going to..would they be able to?

Ha! This is hilarious, we atheists accept our ignorance of things and say "we don't know" but the theists fill those ignorance with the "supernatural"

This reasoning is simply put "god of the gaps"

Look for something man can't explain then say "Goddidit"

Question: Do you know where you are going when you die?

Just to be clear, exactly the same place you go. They stay dead, dead people don't go anywhere because they are fvcking dead

So until we know something different for a fact, I hold on to that

Question: How did the planets form when the Big Bang explosion all of a sudden happened? After all, you don’t see round objects form when something blows up.

Newsflash, not every atheist accepts big bang; unlike Christians that believe in Yahweh, atheists are not organised so stop assuming all atheists are the same
When you assume, you make an A.SS out of U and ME

Question : if evolution is real, how can it explain gravity, angular momentum, human emotions,

Another assumption that all atheists accept the evolution theory

and why we worship God?

I think you're in a better position to answer for yourself

Question:Why do we not see half trees and half carrots, fronkeys, and crocoducks if evolution is real?

Another assumption

Question:Why do we not see black people come from white people?

Still same assumption

Let me even cut it short.

What[s]What explains the fine tuning of the universe?
Why is the universe rational?
Where did the genetic code come from?
How is independent thought possible in a world ruled by chance and necessity?
How do we account for self-awareness?
How is free will possible in a material universe?[/s]

I've answered the long one

I decided to meet you on your own turf since you are n Atheist to ask you these questions based on your belief.

You met no one on the atheist's imaginary turf

Stop assuming all atheists are the same

Make me an Atheist believer by answering just one of those questions.

Interesting, I'm sure if tomorrow, science gives satisfactory answers to each of these questions you'll still hold on to your belief, stop tryna deceive yourself because I'm sure you'll simply move to the next question science has not been able to answer and the gap continues

4everGod1:



Atheism is the belief there was once absolutely nothing. And nothing happened to the nothing and then the nothing magically exploded (for no reason), creating everything and everywhere. Then a bunch of the exploded everything magically rearranged itself (for no reason whatsoever), into self-replicating bits which then turned into dinosaurs.

Does the above make sense to you? Yet they want to mock and explain my beliefs? They are simply placed here on earth to Provide us with Cosmic Comic relief.

What would actually be an irony is if that your above belief actually true

Christianity is the belief there was once absolutely nothing. And nothing happened to the nothing and then the nothing magically became god, creating everything and everywhere.

Does the above make sense to you? Yet they complain when we want to mock this belief? They are simply placed here on earth to Provide us with Cosmic Comic relief.

What would actually be an irony is if that your above belief actually true

hopefulLandlord:


Ha! This is hilarious, we atheists accept our ignorance of things and say "we don't know" but the theists fill those ignorance with the "supernatural"

This reasoning is simply put "god of the gaps"

Look for something man can't explain then say "Goddidit"

Just to be clear, exactly the same place you go. They stay dead, dead people don't go anywhere because they are fvcking dead

So until we know something different for a fact, I hold on to that
Newsflash, not every atheist accepts big bang; unlike Christians that believe in Yahweh, atheists are not organised so stop assuming all atheists are the same
When you assume, you make an A.SS out of U and ME

Another assumption that all atheists accept the evolution theory


I think you're in a better position to answer for yourself



Another assumption


Still same assumption


I've answered the long one



You met no one on the atheist's imaginary turf

Stop assuming all atheists are the same

Interesting, I'm sure if tomorrow, science gives satisfactory answers to each of these questions you'll still hold on to your belief, stop tryna deceive yourself because I'm sure you'll simply move to the next question science has not been able to answer and the gap continues

You would make a good quarterback because one of your star qualities is the ability to dodge whats right in front of you.

In essence what you just succeeded in saying is that all Atheists are a bunch of confused people because even amongst themselves they disagree in beliefs. Yet you guys are the supposedly wisest of all by denying everything else but your thoughts and this brings me to the issue of choice and free will.....so you are all free to think randomly but no rationally as its based on the choice of the individual atheist and not your collective agreement which to me depicts a confused state of mind because all it shows is that you are all winning to hold onto anything just to prove your assumption that God does not exist... I am sure an Atheist somewhere believes that the excreta or pee we pass out is still evolving and one day we will excrete a living thing formed from Poo or pee.

You see confusion has a way of creating an illussion of reality to you guys especially if you are confused enough. Its like a mad man living in his own world...every other person outside his world is insane and he in his insanity is sane even when he defaecates and pees on himself and eats from the rubbish heap and is dressed in rags and stinks to the high heavens from not having a bath for months...yet those who do not do what he does are the insane ones.

Make una continue with una factory fitted Atheism