annunaki2:


There is now a whole islamic 'industry' dedicated to 'refuting' embarrassing facts about islam/mohammed that the whole world is now getting to know after centuries of cover up. The annoying thing is that the so called refutation is always a balderdash of al taquiya nonsense made up by incoherent brain dead islamists who are desperately trying to salvage the remains of their fast dying religion.

@Empiree cannot defend anything. The atrocities of Muhammed are just too much. That's why he runs to YouTube support. But I am glad we don't care watching this rubbish he calls REFUTING VIDEOS...

true2god:
Ibn ishaq, the history of Mohammed, page 155.

Empire, you can see how terrible your prophet can be, even asking a man be tortured because he refused to disclose where a treasure, which Mohammed want to take as war booty, was. Remember, he had already taken safiya as war booty, in obedience to allahh, and now he needed gold and treasures to sell at black market.

Your prophet is simply an armed robber.

Empiree:
^^^

I am sure none of you two watched the video. It is only an hour. And even if you watched it, it doesn't really change anything with you because you are people described as deaf, dump and blind. Dont get me started bcus the same accusations written in the book against Islam are abound in your Bible as well. If you say one more thing in a negative way on this issue I shall quote those Bible verses that you probably dont know are there. They are exact same thing (yours even worse) that you accused Islam of.

The video brilliantly trashed nonsense written in the Book. Do yourself a favor. Just watch and listen to the video.

Yon nor your YouTube videos can't change the true stories of the life of Muhammad. Thanks to the Quran and Hadiths for letting us know who Muhammed really was

plappville:


@Empiree cannot defend anything. The atrocities of Muhammed are just too much. That's why he runs to YouTube support. But I am glad we don't care watching this rubbish he calls REFUTING VIDEOS...

You noticed right.. empiree posts youtube vids then insults and calls it rebuttals. .claiming he has refuted the facts..

Dont watch any of his silly youtube posts.. mostly rubbish from a lagos muslim association. .if he cant defend his own faith with his own words and factual references i wonder why he feels he knows better than the illiterate boko harams

parisbookaddict:


You noticed right.. empiree posts youtube vids then insults and calls it rebuttals. .claiming he has refuted the facts..

Dont watch any of his silly youtube posts.. mostly rubbish from a lagos muslim association. .if he cant defend his own faith with his own words and factual references i wonder why he feels he knows better than the illiterate boko harams

I can only laugh here. If i talk now NL go ban me again. Only Empiree and co get right to talk. NL na thier fourth holiest site...

And what difference does it make if I typed anything out?. You are folks who already made up your mind. Y'all simply scared to watch it. He brilliantly refuted those silly accusations. You people simply have made up your mind that no matter what, Muhammad did this and that.

Unfortunately i cant help you. I am sure some christians will eventually take their time to watch. I am not going to waste my time.



Now, same accusations you guys raised are pretty much in your Bible. Let us look at female captive in the Bible (Deuteronomy 21:10-14)




10 “When you go out to war against your enemies, and the Lord your God gives them into your hand and you take them captive,

11 and you see among the captives a beautiful woman, and you desire to take her to be your wife,

12 and you bring her home to your house, she shall shave her head and pare her nails.

13 And she shall take off the clothes in which she was captured and shall remain in your house and lament her father and her mother a full month. After that you may go in to her and be her husband, and she shall be your wife.

14 But if you no longer delight in her, you shall let her go where she wants. But you shall not sell her for money, nor shall you treat her as a slave, since you have humiliated her."


That's just a tip of iceberg ^


If you want muslims to reject Islam base on story of Saffiya etc. I can go to the Bible for a similar incident Judges 21:10-24


10. So the assembly sent twelve thousand fighting men with instructions to go to Jabesh Gilead and put to the sword those living there, including the women and children.

11 “This is what you are to do,” they said. “Kill every male and every woman who is not a virgin.”


QUESTION: How do they know they are not virgin?. Interesting question, isn't?


Let's continue.....


Murder, rape, and pillage at Jabesh-gilead [size=14pt](Judges 21:10-24 NLT)[/size]

So they sent twelve thousand warriors to Jabesh-gilead with orders to kill everyone there, including women and children. “This is what you are to do,” they said. “Completely destroy all the males and every woman who is not a virgin.” Among the residents of Jabesh-gilead they found four hundred young virgins who had never slept with a man, and they brought them to the camp at Shiloh in the land of Canaan.

The Israelite assembly sent a peace delegation to the little remnant of Benjamin who were living at the rock of Rimmon. Then the men of Benjamin returned to their homes, and the four hundred women of Jabesh-gilead who were spared were given to them as wives. But there were not enough women for all of them. The people felt sorry for Benjamin because the LORD had left this gap in the tribes of Israel. So the Israelite leaders asked, “How can we find wives for the few who remain, since all the women of the tribe of Benjamin are dead? There must be heirs for the survivors so that an entire tribe of Israel will not be lost forever. But we cannot give them our own daughters in marriage because we have sworn with a solemn oath that anyone who does this will fall under God’s curse.”

Then they thought of the annual festival of the LORD held in Shiloh, between Lebonah and Bethel, along the east side of the road that goes from Bethel to Shechem. They told the men of Benjamin who still needed wives, “Go and hide in the vineyards. When the women of Shiloh come out for their dances, rush out from the vineyards, and each of you can take one of them home to be your wife! [size=14pt]And when their fathers and brothers come to us in protest, we will tell them, ‘Please be understanding. Let them have your daughters, for we didn’t find enough wives for them when we destroyed Jabesh-gilead. And you are not guilty of breaking the vow since you did not give your daughters in marriage to them.'”[/size] So the men of Benjamin did as they were told. [size=20pt]They kidnapped the women[/size] who took part in the celebration and carried them off to the land of their own inheritance. Then they rebuilt their towns and lived in them. So the assembly of Israel departed by tribes and families, and they returned to their own homes.



^^^

So this is what the Bible says about taking captives when their is shortage of them. They hide behind the bush and ambushed the people without their consent. Is this not rape?


Now, let's see what the Bible say about rape, THE LAW OF RA!PE (Deuteronomy 22:28-29)

"If a man is caught in the act of ra!ping a young woman who is not engaged, he must pay fifty pieces of silver to her father. Then he must marry the young woman because he violated her, and he will never be allowed to divorce her."

^^^ WOWOW WOWO WOWOWOW WOWOWOW. tHIS IS WHAT THE bible SAYS ABOUT RA!PE. SO THE VICTIM THAT HAS BEEN RA!PED, NOT ONLY BEEN RA!PED BUT THEN HAS TO SUFFER THE BENEFITS OF THE RAPIST. tHIS IS WHAT THE BIBLE SAYS ABOUT RAPE. This is what the Indians practice. They force the victim to marry her rapist. INTERESTING!!!

They copied the deed your bible


Regarding treatment of Slaves in Islam from a non Muslim perspective:


On the attitude of Muslim masters with his slaves, Will Durant says,

".......he handled them with a genial humanly that made their lot no worse - perhaps better as more secure than that of factory worker in nineteen century Europe"

That's what Will Durant said about female captives in Islam.


Source: Hurgronje C., Mohamadanism, (NY, 1916), p. 128 as quoted by W. Durant, The Story Of Civilization, vol. IV (NY 1950) p. 209

At the end of the 18 century , Mouradgea d'Ohsson (a main source of information for the Western writers on the Ottoman Empire) declared:

[size=13pt]"There is perhaps no nation where the captives, the slaves, the very toilets in the galleys are better provided for or treated with more kindness than the Muhammadans."[/size]


There are more quotes by non-Muslims on treatment of slaves in Islam. I can go ahead and quote more. So you guys can keep grumbling over and over. I dont owe any of you explanation. Force S!x and ra!pe are prohibited in Islam. The guy who claimed to be Muslim for 16 years is a liar. His arguments are completely refuted. Watch the video and educate yourselves.


Again, this is the refutation. If y'all brave enough just watch it and stop complaining.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AM63YokBbGI

Plappvillemoi:


I can only laugh here. If i talk now NL go ban me again. Only Empiree and co get right to talk. NL na thier fourth holiest site...

Lol@ 4th holiest site

Empiree:
And what difference does it make if I typed anything out?. You are folks who already made up your mind. Y'all simply scared to watch it. He brilliantly refuted those silly accusations. You people simply have made up your mind that no matter what, Muhammad did this and that.

Unfortunately i cant help you. I am sure some christians will eventually take their time to watch. I am not going to waste my time.



Now, same accusations you guys raised are pretty much in your Bible. Let us look at female captive in the Bible (Deuteronomy 21:10-14)




10 “When you go out to war against your enemies, and the Lord your God gives them into your hand and you take them captive,

11 and you see among the captives a beautiful woman, and you desire to take her to be your wife,

12 and you bring her home to your house, she shall shave her head and pare her nails.

13 And she shall take off the clothes in which she was captured and shall remain in your house and lament her father and her mother a full month. After that you may go in to her and be her husband, and she shall be your wife.

14 But if you no longer delight in her, you shall let her go where she wants. But you shall not sell her for money, nor shall you treat her as a slave, since you have humiliated her."


That's just a tip of iceberg ^


If you want muslims to reject Islam base on story of Saffiya etc. I can go to the Bible for a similar incident Judges 21:10-24


10. So the assembly sent twelve thousand fighting men with instructions to go to Jabesh Gilead and put to the sword those living there, including the women and children.

11 “This is what you are to do,” they said. “Kill every male and every woman who is not a virgin.”


QUESTION: How do they know they are not virgin?. Interesting question, isn't?


Let's continue.....


Murder, rape, and pillage at Jabesh-gilead [size=14pt](Judges 21:10-24 NLT)[/size]

So they sent twelve thousand warriors to Jabesh-gilead with orders to kill everyone there, including women and children. “This is what you are to do,” they said. “Completely destroy all the males and every woman who is not a virgin.” Among the residents of Jabesh-gilead they found four hundred young virgins who had never slept with a man, and they brought them to the camp at Shiloh in the land of Canaan.

The Israelite assembly sent a peace delegation to the little remnant of Benjamin who were living at the rock of Rimmon. Then the men of Benjamin returned to their homes, and the four hundred women of Jabesh-gilead who were spared were given to them as wives. But there were not enough women for all of them. The people felt sorry for Benjamin because the LORD had left this gap in the tribes of Israel. So the Israelite leaders asked, “How can we find wives for the few who remain, since all the women of the tribe of Benjamin are dead? There must be heirs for the survivors so that an entire tribe of Israel will not be lost forever. But we cannot give them our own daughters in marriage because we have sworn with a solemn oath that anyone who does this will fall under God’s curse.”

Then they thought of the annual festival of the LORD held in Shiloh, between Lebonah and Bethel, along the east side of the road that goes from Bethel to Shechem. They told the men of Benjamin who still needed wives, “Go and hide in the vineyards. When the women of Shiloh come out for their dances, rush out from the vineyards, and each of you can take one of them home to be your wife! [size=14pt]And when their fathers and brothers come to us in protest, we will tell them, ‘Please be understanding. Let them have your daughters, for we didn’t find enough wives for them when we destroyed Jabesh-gilead. And you are not guilty of breaking the vow since you did not give your daughters in marriage to them.'”[/size] So the men of Benjamin did as they were told. [size=20pt]They kidnapped the women[/size] who took part in the celebration and carried them off to the land of their own inheritance. Then they rebuilt their towns and lived in them. So the assembly of Israel departed by tribes and families, and they returned to their own homes.



^^^

So this is what the Bible says about taking captives when their is shortage of them. They hide behind the bush and ambushed the people without their consent. Is this not rape?


Now, let's see what the Bible say about rape, THE LAW OF RA!PE (Deuteronomy 22:28-29)

"If a man is caught in the act of ra!ping a young woman who is not engaged, he must pay fifty pieces of silver to her father. Then he must marry the young woman because he violated her, and he will never be allowed to divorce her."

^^^ WOWOW WOWO WOWOWOW WOWOWOW. tHIS IS WHAT THE bible SAYS ABOUT RA!PE. SO THE VICTIM THAT HAS BEEN RA!PED, NOT ONLY BEEN RA!PED BUT THEN HAS TO SUFFER THE BENEFITS OF THE RAPIST. tHIS IS WHAT THE BIBLE SAYS ABOUT RAPE. This is what the Indians practice. They force the victim to marry her rapist. INTERESTING!!!

They copied the deed your bible


Regarding treatment of Slaves in Islam from a non Muslim perspective:


On the attitude of Muslim masters with his slaves, Will Durant says,

".......he handled them with a genial humanly that made their lot no worse - perhaps better as more secure than that of factory worker in nineteen century Europe"

That's what Will Durant said about female captives in Islam.


Source: Hurgronje C., Mohamadanism, (NY, 1916), p. 128 as quoted by W. Durant, The Story Of Civilization, vol. IV (NY 1950) p. 209

At the end of the 18 century , Mouradgea d'Ohsson (a main source of information for the Western writers on the Ottoman Empire) declared:

[size=13pt]"There is perhaps no nation where the captives, the slaves, the very toilets in the galleys are better provided for or treated with more kindness than the Muhammadans."[/size]


There are more quotes by non-Muslims on treatment of slaves in Islam. I can go ahead and quote more. So you guys can keep grumbling over and over. I dont owe any of you explanation. Force S!x and ra!pe are prohibited in Islam. The guy who claimed to be Muslim for 16 years is a liar. His arguments are completely refuted. Watch the video and educate yourselves.


Again, this is the refutation. If y'all brave enough just watch it and stop complaining.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AM63YokBbGI

Those scriptures are in the old testament.
Yes those things did happened,, but they were not instructed by God.
Though they belonged to the Chosen ones, they did do things out of their own reasoning.

if you read that same judges21:10 to the end, its written clearly there in verse 25 "in those days, there was no king in Israel:everyman did that which was right in his own sight"

During the reign of kings, there was more revelation knowledge of God as they began to consult the priest.

when Jesus Christ came, he came to show us the way. Christians are those who follow the teachings of Christ so dont quote the old testament to justify the atrocities Muslims comit even in this 21st century.

When last did you hear of Christians doing such?

plappville:


I said you should close your mouth. How is that un abuse? You were talking rubbish weren't you?



Islam speaks for itself. Why saying she blackmailed Islam..

Please I don't respond to touts

emis8:


Those scriptures are in the old testament.

Exactly! I expected this cheap response in order to out-rightly downplay undesirable texts. Are you not using Old Testament still?. Are you not carrying it around your arm to the church today?. Christians use Old T instructions in 21 century but you do it in different fashion. If you want to support the State of Israel you are going to use Old Testament to buttress your point. Stop deceiving yourself.

[s]Yes those things did happened,, but they were not instructed by God.
Though they belonged to the Chosen ones, they did do things out of their own reasoning.

if you read that same judges21:10 to the end, its written clearly there in verse 25 "in those days, there was no king in Israel:everyman did that which was right in his own sight"

During the reign of kings, there was more revelation knowledge of God as they began to consult the priest.[/s]

when Jesus Christ came, he came to show us the way. Christians are those who follow the teachings of Christ so dont quote the old testament to justify the atrocities Muslims comit even in this 21st century.

Why Jesus or Paul didnt abolish SLAVERY?. If they did Muhammad did not have to deal with it. Dont tell me slavery did not exist in their times.

When last did you hear of Christians doing such?

Are you blind?. How about these christian countries invading and blowing up muslim countries in the name of democracy and freedom?. Oh, because they did not put up the cross around their neck and carry Bible by their arms before you recognize them?. Listen, politicians are doing that barbaric violence for you. The reason you dont want to blame christian religion is bcus they have separated Church from State but they still pursue the same old agenda. Gaza and Gitmo are clear example of modern slavery by Christians/Israel. Compare how Muhammad treated captives with how Captives in Gitmo are being treated now by christian extremist nations. If you type the names of those leaders in your google search you notice they are Christians. Stop deceiving yourself. When GWB invaaded Iraq he said GOD told him so.

parisbookaddict:
Let's read a book. Its called
The people vs mohammed.

Its a book that is banned in many islamic countries. Only brave muslims can dare to read it. It goes into details about the numerous deeds of Mohammad in the quran and hadiths.. it also offers an analysis about why mohammed did what he did..

Heres a free copy courtesy of Okd1

https://www.dropbox.com/s/e9gmm70nxqve60h/The_People_vs_Muhammad__Psychological_Analysis_nodrm.pdf?dl=0

If you want a hard copy or kindle version as well as support the author purchase here

https://www.amazon.com/gp/aw/d/B00ZE45LUG?pc_redir=T1

Usermane

Peace! parisbookaddict. I 've gone through half of the book, thanks to your link. I was a bit let down by the book, I think the writer focused too much reiterating, emphasizing or divulging the mind of Muhammad instead of presenting the readers with more unholy teachings from Hadith, Sirah and Tafsir attributed to Muhammad. Thus, the book is unnecessarily span over 300 pages for content that about 200 pages would have sufficed.

Next issue I have with the book is reference. Some of the Hadith the writer put forth as his evidences in the book are not referenced. A book this controversial ought to have its evidenced fully referenced for verification or else the professionalism of the author may be doubted.

To a limited extent, I think it is a good criticism of traditional portrayal of Muhammad & mainstream Islam but for the presentation, and excessive focus on Muhammad rather than teachings ascribed to him, it could have been a much better work.

That being said, I am determined to complete the book, not for any other reason than uncovering more unholy Hadith, Tafsir and stories attributed to Muhammad.

usermane:


Peace! parisbookaddict. I 've gone through half of the book, thanks to your link. I was a bit let down by the book, I think the writer focused too much reiterating, emphasizing or divulging the mind of Muhammad instead of presenting the readers with more unholy teachings from Hadith, Sirah and Tafsir attributed to Muhammad. Thus, the book is unnecessarily span over 300 pages for content that about 200 pages would have sufficed.

Next issue I have with the book is reference. Some of the Hadith the writer put forth as his evidences in the book are not referenced. A book this controversial ought to have its evidenced fully referenced for verification or else the professionalism of the author may be doubted.

To a limited extent, I think it is a good criticism of traditional portrayal of Muhammad & mainstream Islam but for the presentation, and excessive focus on Muhammad rather than teachings ascribed to him, it could have been a much better work.

That being said, I am determined to complete the book, not for any other reason than uncovering more unholy Hadith, Tafsir and stories attributed to Muhammad.

L L

usermane:


Peace! parisbookaddict. I 've gone through half of the book, thanks to your link. I was a bit let down by the book, I think the writer focused too much reiterating, emphasizing or divulging the mind of Muhammad

Dang! The author will soon shot himself in the head.

Thus, the book is unnecessarily span over 300 pages for content that about 200 pages would have sufficed.

It is already getting criticisms on fb by non-muslims. Crazy ahadith or not, they wonder if the man named Muhammad was that evil, how come he has 1b+ followers today?. I didn't even comment. was just reading theirs.

Next issue I have with the book is reference. Some of the Hadith the writer put forth as his evidences in the book are not referenced.

Gbam! Gbam!! Gbam!!! Exactly what the White guy in the video did. That's what i was telling true2god and parris but they have their own mind made up. Same thing those who refute him said. Does the writer think we stupid. Sincere non-Muslims can see through what he's trying to do.

A book this controversial ought to have its evidenced fully referenced for verification or else the professionalism of the author may be doubted.

They wont becuase they want to do "WAYO". Since parrisbookaddict and co like you but you criticize the book, perhaps, they should rethink their stands about it. You even tried. Me just dey reached 60th page.

To a limited extent, I think it is a good criticism of traditional portrayal of Muhammad & mainstream Islam but for the presentation, and excessive focus on Muhammad rather than teachings ascribed to him, it could have been a much better work

Listen, I think being muslim this long, you should have understood their mindset. Whether we try to "modernize" Islam or not, be apologetic or not. Their goal is one - to lie about islam, denigrate the religion and make sure it's eradicated. They dont give a fig leaf whether you are Quranite or part of mainstream muslims. You can see that for yourself. That's what the guy who claimed to be muslim for 16yrs did. He pinpoints hadith to suit his agenda. He's failing by the way.

That being said, I am determined to complete the book,

And by the time you done with it you will realise it is the same old boolSh!t and it's very boring

Any time any Christian heard of prophet Muhammad (saw) they started calling him bad names, av Neva see a real muslim abusing Jesus Christ just keep it up bro

Empiree:
Dang! The author will soon shot himself in the head.


It is already getting criticisms on fb by non-muslims. Crazy ahadith or not, they wonder if the man named Muhammad was that evil, how come he has 1b+ followers today?. I didn't even comment. was just reading theirs.


Gbam! Gbam!! Gbam!!! Exactly what the White guy in the video did. That's what i was telling true2god and parris but they have their own mind made up. Same thing those who refute him said. Does the writer think we stupid. Sincere non-Muslims can see through what he's trying to do.



They wont becuase they want to do "WAYO". Since parrisbookaddict and co like you but you criticize the book, perhaps, they should rethink their stands about it. You even tried. Me just dey reached 60th page.


Listen, I think being muslim this long, you should have understood their mindset. Whether we try to "modernize" Islam or not, be apologetic or not. Their goal is one - to lie about islam, denigrate the religion and make sure it's eradicated. They dont give a fig leaf whether you are Quranite or part of mainstream muslims. You can see that for yourself. That's what the guy who claimed to be muslim for 16yrs did. He pinpoints hadith to suit his agenda. He's failing by the way.


And by the time you done with it you will realise it is the same old boolSh!t and it's very boring

i wonder if you actually have brain cells my friend.

most people here are not saying that the book is perfect. no book is.

but its a nice collection of most of the atrocities committed by Mohammed during his reign of terror in arabia. i really appreciate that brave jewish woman for poisoning him.

you can criticize the book all you want for been blunt but its a nice go to source if u want to see how depraved mohammed was without having to read the entire quran and hadiths.

yusburg:
Any time any Christian heard of prophet Muhammad (saw) they started calling him bad names, av Neva see a real muslim abusing Jesus Christ just keep it up bro

stating facts about muhammad bin abudullah is not calling him bad names. he was a rapist, pedophile, war monger and mischief maker.

You have been brain washed from childhood to overlook all his evil deeds. be brave and join the growing number of exmuslims who renounce mohammed after accepting he was a fraud. by the way you can not abuse Jesus because he was perfect, son of God and word of God, even mohammed could not dare insult him.

as the bible says, in the name of Jesus every knee must bow, including Muslim knees.

yusburg:
Any time any Christian heard of prophet Muhammad (saw) they started calling him bad names, av Neva see a real muslim abusing Jesus Christ just keep it up bro

stating facts about muhammad bin abudullah is not calling him bad names. he was a rapist, pedophile, war monger and mischief maker.

You have been brain washed from childhood to overlook all his evil deeds. be brave and join the growing number of exmuslims who renounce mohammed after accepting he was a fraud. by the way you can not abuse Jesus because he was perfect, son of God and word of God, even mohammed could not dare insult him.

as the bible says, in the name of Jesus every knee must bow, including Muslim knees.

usermane:


Peace! parisbookaddict. I 've gone through half of the book, thanks to your link. I was a bit let down by the book, I think the writer focused too much reiterating, emphasizing or divulging the mind of Muhammad instead of presenting the readers with more unholy teachings from Hadith, Sirah and Tafsir attributed to Muhammad. Thus, the book is unnecessarily span over 300 pages for content that about 200 pages would have sufficed.

to be honest i haven't read up to half the book, been incredible busy of late and did some traveling. but i will try and read at least 3 more chapters this week, but i want to remind you that ''divulging the mind of Muhammad" is the sole aim of the book. that is why the author claims the book is a Psychological Analysis of mohammed.

Next issue I have with the book is reference. Some of the Hadith the writer put forth as his evidences in the book are not referenced. A book this controversial ought to have its evidenced fully referenced for verification or else the professionalism of the author may be doubted.

the book seems adequately referenced to me so far but i will pay more attention to it going further. i despite scholarly books with poor citations.

To a limited extent, I think it is a good criticism of traditional portrayal of Muhammad & mainstream Islam but for the presentation, and excessive focus on Muhammad rather than teachings ascribed to him, it could have been a much better work.

like i stated earlier, the book is a Psychological Analysis of one man only, mohammed based on the meticulous records keep by muslims in the quran, hadiths and other respected sources of islamic literature, so it intentionally focused on mohammed. i dont think its the authors intention to delve into analyzing every islamic teaching.

That being said, I am determined to complete the book, not for any other reason than uncovering more unholy Hadith, Tafsir and stories attributed to Muhammad.

usermane you are my favorite nairaland person, and it pains me as you still hold ur views on islam. let me make this comparison for you. dont get offended.

Jesus was written about by dozens of people and the most authentic sources was compiled into the bible. Basically the same stories can be found in even rejected books in the vatican archives and the bible, "A peace loving miracle worker who preached salvation for mankind and a singular message of love your neigbour as yourself". the bible does not command unquestioned obedience in contrast to the freewill given by the creator, it does not command killing of apostates and infidels and yet it is the most successful "religion" in the history of mankind and has shaped our modern life.

but mohammed on the other hand has dozens of stories in the quran, Hadith, Sirah and Tafsir which portray him as a self righteous, violent, religious bigot, mentally unbalanced person who outlawed adoption because he coveted his adopted sons wife, slept with a 9 year old, committed genocide, enslaved kids and women etc , the quran seems more like a hate manifesto declared on all non-muslims who reject an ideology of unquestioned submission, bigotry, misogyny, bigotry and chauvinism. it commands unquestioned obedience and killing of apostates. and yet its a religion that has failed to have a significant positive impact on this world.

please you are rational, and i will be the first to admit that sometimes religion is more irrational than rational but you also have conscience. please use them both to lead yourself out of islam.

[quote author=parisbookaddict post=48052518]

stating facts about muhammad bin abudullah is not calling him bad names. he was a rapist, pedophile, war monger and mischief maker.

You have been brain washed from childhood to overlook all his evil deeds. be brave and join the growing number of exmuslims who renounce mohammed after accepting he was a fraud. by the way you can not abuse Jesus because he was perfect, son of God and word of God, even mohammed could not dare insult him.

as the bible says, in the name of Jesus every knee must bow, including Muslim knees.[when will you Christian stop this nonsense. Jesus is not a son of GOD Mr man, the Bible even testify to it]

yusburg:
when will you Christian stop this nonsense. Jesus is not a son of GOD Mr man, the Bible even testify to it

are you intentionally trying to be dishonest or are you just ignorant
Jesus calls himself (and is called) "son of God" dozens of time. Infact this is what led to his crucifixion since the Jews claimed he committed blasphemy. You also forget he controlled the weather instantly several times, something only God does.

He forgave sins, something only God does. remember the notable story of the prostitute he forgave her sins amongst many others. did mohammed forgive sins

People he healed fell on their knees and worshipped him and yet he didn't say No don't worship me.

We Christians know on earth he had 2 natures human(son of man) and divine(son of God)


but a lair comes 600 years after christ and says
Qur'an 4:157
They said (in boast), "we killed christ jesus the son of mary, the messenger of Allah". But they killed him not, nor crucified him, but so it was made to appear to them, and those who differ therein are full of doubt, without(certain) knowledge, but only conjecture to follow, for a surety they killed him not.

And

Qur'an 9: 30
"AND THE JEWS SAY, EZRA IS THE SON OF Allah, AND THE CHRISTIAN SAY: THE MESSIAH IS THE SON OF Allah, THESE ARE THE WORDS OF THEIR MOUTHS; THEY INITIATE THE SAYING OF THOSE WHO DISBELIEVED; MAY Allah DESTROY THEM; HOW THEY ARE TURNED AWAY
In Mark 14:61-62, Jesus claimed to be the Son of Man (Daniel 7:13) and
David's Lord (Psalm 110:1)
Jesus helped people who called him Lord, and never rebuked when people worshipped him (Matthew 14:30-33)
Moreover in John 5:22-23 22 , the Father judges no one, but has entrusted all judgment to the Son, that all may honour the Son just as they honour the Father. Whoever does not honour the Son does not honour the Father, who sent him. Jesus judges us all, Jesus is one with God and the son of God. The scripture is very clear on the nature of Jesus. Check also Mathew 11:27, 17:5,John 5:17-18 and peters answer to Christ's question about who he was in Mathew 16:16.

The true scripture is very clear in;
1 John 2:22, 'Who is the liar? It is whoever denies that
Jesus is the Christ. Such a person is the antichrist--denying the Father and the Son.

1 John 4:2-3 "By this you know the Spirit of God: every spirit that confesses that Jesus Christ has come in the flesh is from God; and every spirit that does not confess Jesus is not from God; and this is the spirit of the antichrist, of which you have heard that it is coming, and now it is already in the world." Several times this term is used in the plural, and can be applied to almost anyone who is opposed to Christ. Those who deny that Jesus came in the flesh are anti-Christ or of the spirit of antichrist.

1 John 4:1
beloved,believe not every spirit,but try the spirits whether they are of God: because many false prophets has gone into the world.

This is one of the ways to discern a false teacher from a true one.

In 1 Corinthians 14:33 My bible tells me in clear terms that God is not the author of confusion. There is so much confusion in Islam ask the Wahabi, Salafists, sunnis, shites alwaites, ahmedies. They kill each other because of this.

My bible also tell me in Matthew 7:15-20,“Beware of false prophets, who come to you in sheep’s clothing, but inwardly they are ravenous wolves. You will know them by their fruits. Do men gather grapes from thornbushes or figs from thistles? Even so, every good tree bears good fruit, but a bad tree bears bad fruit. A good tree cannot bear bad fruit, nor can a bad tree bear good fruit. Every tree that does not bear good fruit is cut down and thrown into the fire. Therefore by their fruits you will know them."
Islams fruits are rotten and that's the truth my friend.

So in conclusion;

God the father acknowledged Jesus as his son (john 17:5)
Jesus called himself the Son of God.
His disciples called him the son of God.
Isaiah from the old testament prophesied about him and called him the son of God.
Angel Gabriel in the first chapter of Luke called Jesus the Son of God.
John the baptist called Jesus the son of God.
The Jews who hated him accused him of claiming he is the Son of God
Demons he casted out called him the son of God.

Yet u Muslims choose to believe the words of a pagan sex addicted slave trader mass murderer illiterate Arab paedophile who died after he was poisoned.

May the one true God, the God of Abraham, Issac and Jacob, father of Jesus set you free when u come to him for truth.

parisbookaddict:


i wonder if you actually have brain cells my friend.

most people here are not saying that the book is perfect. no book is.

but its a nice collection of most of the atrocities committed by Mohammed during his reign of terror in arabia. i really appreciate that brave jewish woman for poisoning him.

you can criticize the book all you want for been blunt but its a nice go to source if u want to see how depraved mohammed was without having to read the entire quran and hadiths.

Still repeating yourself like a defected robot.

Thank goodness you speak a truth for once that the book is fallacy. Any book that is not PERFECT must contain elements of fallacy. USERNA.ME just broke it down for you which means the author's mind is ulterior motively preconceived. The book is becoming irrelevant gradually.

parisbookaddict:


Lol@ 4th holiest site

They enjoy fighting for what does not belong to them. They have 3 holy sites..allah lives in this sites sharing himself inyo 3..

Empiree:
Dang! The author will soon shot himself in the head.


It is already getting criticisms on fb by non-muslims. Crazy ahadith or not, they wonder if the man named Muhammad was that evil, how come he has 1b+ followers today?. I didn't even comment. was just reading theirs.


Gbam! Gbam!! Gbam!!! Exactly what the White guy in the video did. That's what i was telling true2god and parris but they have their own mind made up. Same thing those who refute him said. Does the writer think we stupid. Sincere non-Muslims can see through what he's trying to do.



They wont becuase they want to do "WAYO". Since parrisbookaddict and co like you but you criticize the book, perhaps, they should rethink their stands about it. You even tried. Me just dey reached 60th page.


Listen, I think being muslim this long, you should have understood their mindset. Whether we try to "modernize" Islam or not, be apologetic or not. Their goal is one - to lie about islam, denigrate the religion and make sure it's eradicated. They dont give a fig leaf whether you are Quranite or part of mainstream muslims. You can see that for yourself. That's what the guy who claimed to be muslim for 16yrs did. He pinpoints hadith to suit his agenda. He's failing by the way.


And by the time you done with it you will realise it is the same old boolSh!t and it's very boring

Of a truth, you are possessed with Islamic lying spirit...

"BUT THERE ARE, AMONG MEN, THOSE WHO PURCHASE IDLE TALES, WITHOUT KNOWLEDGE (or meaning) TO MISLEAD (men) FROM THE PATH OF GOD AND THROW RIDICULE (on the path): FOR SUCH THERE WILL BE A HUMILIATING PENALTY"Quran 31:6

PITY YOURSELF!!! Dont feel for us.

Deemzy15, udatso, Empiree, Rilwayne001, Preblug, ............IS PARISBOOKDDIICT NOT A PERFECT PROOF OF THIS VERSE IN THE QURAN?

According to the English saying: "NONE IS SO DEAF AS THOSE WHO WILL NOT HEAR".

These are people who DELBRATELY SHUT their ears from hearing the TRUTH because it doesnt appeal to them.

"When Our signs are rehearsed to such a one, he turns away in ARROGANCE, as if He heard them not, as if there were DEAFNESS in both his ears. ANNOUNCE TO THEM A GRIEVOUS PENALTY" Q31:7.

"An EMPTY HEAD is not really empty but filled with RUBBISH the reason why it is so DIFFICULT to stuff any good into an EMPTY HEAD". Eric Hoffer

yusburg:
Any time any Christian heard of prophet Muhammad (saw) they started calling him bad names, av Neva see a real muslim abusing Jesus Christ just keep it up bro

If the quran/hadiths speak, you will accuse us. Did Christians wrote these books? A real Muslim do worse than abusing Jesus. THEY kill God creations. Isis and co are real/true Muslims.

Empiree:



And by the time you done with it you will realise it is the same old boolSh!t and it's very boring

This book is an eye opening. I am taking it slowly and i noticed it gives the true picture of Muhammad. I have shared on whatapps and other social network. Its not a boring book at all, just the contrary! !

Plappvillemoi:


If the quran/hadiths speak, you will accuse us. Did Christians wrote these books? A real Muslim do worse than abusing Jesus. THEY kill God creations. Isis and co are real/true Muslims.

www.globalresearch.ca/america-created-al-qaeda-and-the-isis-terror-group/5402881

WORDWORLD:


www.globalresearch.ca/america-created-al-qaeda-and-the-isis-terror-group/5402881

Kafir nation is strong enough to create groups that are killing even allahs people? Where is ur alkah then? And did Muhammad saw Isis and co coming?

Plappvillemoi:


This book is an eye opening. I am taking it slowly and i noticed it gives the true picture of Muhammad. I have shared on whatapps and other social network. Its not a boring book at all, just the contrary! !

I didn't expect you to say contrary. "Deaf Dump & Bind" ~ Matthew 13:13 & Mark 4:12

Plappvillemoi:


Of a truth, you are possessed with Islamic lying spirit...

You dont need to blame "islamic spirit". Your sister in crime already faulted the book. She said it is a FALLACY. The trash was refuted by the way whether you like it or not. You are one of the perfectly fitted candidates in the verse quoted above (sura 31:6)


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WORDWORLD:


According to the English saying: "NONE IS SO DEAF AS THOSE WHO WILL NOT HEAR". [size=20pt]Matthew 13:13 & Mark 4:12[/size]


These are people who DELIBERATELY SHUT their ears from hearing the TRUTH because it doesnt appeal to them.

"When Our signs are rehearsed to such a one, he turns away in ARROGANCE, as if He heard them not, as if there were DEAFNESS in both his ears. ANNOUNCE TO THEM A GRIEVOUS PENALTY" Q31:7.

Empiree:
You dont need to blame "islamic spirit". Your sister in crime already faulted the book. She said it is a FALLACY. The trash was refuted by the way whether you like it or not. You are one of the perfectly fitted candidates in the verse quoted above (sura 31:6)


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Wow.. muslims and altaqiyya.. who said its fallacy. Mr muslim lair.

its a great book that compiled numerous of mohammeds atrocities in an orderly fashion.. it may be too passionate in language but its expected.. mohammed has caused to much death and destruction to so many communities on earth hence the passionate hate accorded to him.. like i said its not a perfect book but it is well researched and a better read than the Quran.

parisbookaddict:


Wow.. muslims and altaqiyya.. who said its fallacy. Mr muslim lair.

its a great book that compiled numerous of mohammeds atrocities in an orderly fashion.. it may be too passionate in language but its expected.. mohammed has caused to much death and destruction to so many communities on earth hence the passionate hate accorded to him.. like i said its not a perfect book but it is well researched and a better read than the Quran.

bla bla bla. You said earlier the book is not perfect. You also said in wordworld's thread the book might be bias or something like that. So what is it to talk about.