Pdizzle:



Most atheists are agnostics atheists, which to me is an intelligent standpoint. We don't really know why we are here, we could be experiments, there could be God and there could be gods or more intelligent beings. Religion is man made, and there is no proof of the paranormal.

Reyginus:
Mai Ya Faru?

Pdizzle:

Most atheists are agnostics atheists, which to me is an intelligent standpoint. We don't really know why we are here, we could be experiments, there could be God and there could be gods or more intelligent beings. Religion is man made, and there is no proof of the paranormal.

Reyginus:
How can most atheist be agnostic atheists? Are these not two different terms?

Reyginus:
I agree with you but it seems you didn't get that question. Look at what I mean. A person cannot ask what created that he admits created all in one sentence. You cannot ask 'if God created everything then what created him?'. It's a very dumb question to ask.

neocortex:


I do not consider eintein an authority on god , in fact no
such undisputable authority exists.
On your einstein quote, you are also guilty of what you accused others of
that is selective quoting.

Here are some Einsten's view which are often left out by
the "Einstein is not an atheist crew" of course he is not
but neither is he a theist.



Your Jesus attacks theory is misrepresented, people don't attack jesus based
on his personality or most of his views but in context of performing fictitious
miracles and his claim of being god, hence he can be held responsible for
anything god did since they are supposedly one and the same.

When you present Jesus as a god who perform awe inspiring feats, he gets
attacked like any other god, but when presented as an enlightened character
of his time, he gets the same respect that others such as Confucius and Socrates gets.
Nothing more nothing less.

malvisguy212:
my point stand, he reject being call atheist.

Your post concerning jesus does not make sense at all, people attack jesus because He perform miracle ? This statement is like a little boy who continuously cry unless his toy is return to him. Did you not read where jesus say, if they believe you of my report, dust your feet and go ? Believe in jesus or not, its none of my business, I'm only doing my time, preaching the word to whoever that will believe.

wiegraf:
kayi kashi a churchi

darkenedrebel:


Confusionists.

Reminds me of a friend of mine (Freecocoa) that also claimed she is an agnostic atheist.

darkenedrebel:


I understand you perfectly. What you're trying to say is if a person is powerful enough to create the world by mere word of mouth, then asking how that being came into existence would be silly. . . .right?

darkenedrebel:


What do you mean there is no proof of the paranormal?

Have you heard of Kanako?—our own form of teleportation—.

Go act unruly or take a scat in front of one of those Sango shrines, and wait and see what would happen to you or your family within a month.

Do that first before you make such naïve, untrue pontifications.

Reyginus:
Not really. What I mean is this:

Once a person is credited with creating EVERYTHING you can't ask what created him or her again. Everything means Everything—both the material and nonmaterial entities in existence.

In expanded form it is like asking, if God Created ALL MATERIAL and NONMATERIAL entities what MATERIAL or NONMATERIAL entity created him? You see how dumb it sounds now.

if darkrebel built his house, made his kitchen utensils, his computers, his lightbulb, his oven and everything he's making use of for his satisfaction, which of anyone of these properties is responsible for the darkrebel coming into existence?

Reyginus:
Lol. That's like saying I am military civilian. I am a civilian because I belong to the civil society and I am a military person because I am a solder.

adeboyewareez:

It's funny. . . It goes to show that in trying to prove their intelligence, atheists unintentionally highlight the huge flaw in their beliefs.

Reyginus:
How can most atheist be agnostic atheists? Are these not two different terms?

Pdizzle:


Agnosticism is the uncertainty about dieties, and atheism is the disbelieve in gods. Agnostic atheists are those that don't believe in dieties because their existence is yet to be proven.

Reyginus:
Lol. Okay. I prefer to call them Agnostic though.

Reyginus:
Lol. Okay. I prefer to call them Agnostic though.

adeboyewareez:

Yeah. Being agnostic is being doubtful, being an atheist is being doubtful, why then do they have to combine the two?

Pdizzle:


But they still don't believe, so...

Pdizzle:

I've heard of kanako and even made posts about it, but the truth is no one around can prove these things

If kanako were to be so effective we won't need better transportation systems in Africa

African voodoo is misunderstood, it is the result of confirmation bias, hard wiring, selective bias, placebo effect and African philosophy

The mind is a very powerful tool and it plays a lot of roles in these things.
There's no proof of the paranormal yet, and there have been prizes for anyone who can do that up to the tune of a million dollars since the 70's, and no one has passed yet.
One just got debunked recently in the religion section.

Reyginus:
Lol. An atheist is sure that god doesn't exist while an agnostic doesn't really know. Now join the two together. Instead of saying I am an agnostic theist you say I know god doesn't exist I don't know god doesn't exist. Lol.

darkenedrebel:


Is it the medicine man that's hunched over a cauldron in some ramshackle shack in a slum village in Ekiti that would have the time or feel the need to come online to prove to you that Kanako is real? If you want prove then leave your comfort zone. . . . go to the most diabolical places you know of in Nigeria. Source for proof yourself.



Kanako has side effects. If for example a person used it to teleport from Osun to Edo state during daytime, when he/she sleeps that night it is said that the walk he skipped in the afternoon would be done in his sleep (dream) i.e the walk from Osun to Edo, thus causing the person to wake up feeling extremely enervated and completely drained of energy. It could also lead to death. Now you know why the charm is only used in extremis.



If all you've said are indeed true then I don't think people would still be worshipping these African deities.

That worship and deference to these deities have endured for centuries only means that these deities are working for them. Don't you think?



There are legions of proof. You only chose not to believe in them (which I respect), but know that not believing in something does not make you immune from it.

I've told you to source for proof yourself. . . .go to the most diabolical places in Nigeria. . .go to a shrine of one those no-nonsense gods and act impudently in their shrines just to see if they exist or not. . . .you after all have nothing to worry about. We can only get answers when we research and do necessary groundwork. . . .so get to it

Reyginus:
Is an atheist sure that God doesn't exist?

adeboyewareez:

That's one very lucid and funny explanation. The dude had better get to work! After all, it's the only way he'd come across his answers loud and clear!

Pdizzle:



Yes, there are close minded atheists who are not agnostics, that's an ignorant standpoint to me. Even the most outspoken atheist is agnostic.

darkenedrebel:


Is it the medicine man that's hunched over a cauldron in some ramshackle shack in a slum village in Ekiti that would have the time or feel the need to come online to prove to you that Kanako is real? If you want proof then leave your comfort zone. . . . go to the most diabolical places you know of in Nigeria. Source for proof yourself.

Kanako has side effects. If for example a person used it to teleport from Osun to Edo state during daytime, when he/she sleeps that night it is said that the walk he skipped in the afternoon would be done in his sleep (dream) i.e the walk from Osun to Edo, thus causing the person to wake up feeling extremely enervated and completely drained of energy. It could also lead to death. Now you know why the charm is only used in extremis.

If all you've said are indeed true then I don't think people would still be worshipping these African deities.

That worship and deference to these deities have endured for centuries only means that these deities are working for them. Don't you think?

Emotions trumps logic when it comes to beliefs. Even babalawos are now sending their kids to school to become lawyers and doctors . That you remain in a religion doesn't mean it's working for you, most folks in the villages are poor, what happened to blood money? There are people who keep running from shrines to shrines and later end up in the churches then turn atheists. I read an article about voodoo in African football, if voodoo really works we should have the world cup by now. Even those veterans later came out to say it's all mind conditioning. Come to think of it, voodoo works and the largest black nation is not the world power? The only thing you need to keep someone in a religion is fear.

There are legions of proof. You only chose not to believe in them (which I respect), but know that not believing in something does not make you immune to it.

I've told you to source for proof yourself . . .go to the most diabolical places in Nigeria. . .visit a shrine of one those no-nonsense gods and act impudently in their shrines just to see if they exist or not. . . .you after all have nothing to worry about. We can only get answers when we research and do necessary groundwork. . . .so get to it

Reyginus:
How do you reconcile the two? I mean, the Atheist is Hundred percent Sure there's no God but Agnostics are not sure and you link them together. Doesn't the fact that atheism being hundred percent sure god doesn't exist invalidate any idea of god having the possibility of existence? If somebody is hundred percent sure that something doesn't exist can the same person be uncertain of the existence of that same thing?

darkenedrebel:


Confusionists.

Reminds me of a friend of mine (Freecocoa) that also claimed she is an agnostic atheist.

Pdizzle:
True, but i want you to also know there are very good babalawos who travel around the world. Prof. Wande Abimbola and Yemi Elebuibon are examples, it takes them nothing to go win the prizes

I know about kanako. It's always hearsay when it comes to African voodoo. why is that these things don't work in a controlled environment cameras start rolling.

Emotions trumps logic when it comes to beliefs. Even babalawos are now sending their kids to school to become lawyers and doctors . That you remain in a religion doesn't mean it's working for you, most folks in the villages are poor

what happened to blood money? There are people who keep running from shrines to shrines and later end up in the churches then turn atheists. I read an article about voodoo in African football, if voodoo really works we should have the world cup by now

even those veterans later came out to say it's all mind conditioning. Come to think of it, voodoo works and the largest black nation is not the world power? The only thing you need to keep someone in a religion is fear.

I have had my own experience and i will seek for more proofs. Someone doing that also. Like i said when cameras start rolling voodoo dont work. Check out the thread :
https://www.nairaland.com/3290176/tomorrow-prove-me-atheists-voodoo/2#48553005