winner01:
God can do anything He wants to do.

He can flood the earth and no human will be alive to question Him.

He can do anything with the works of His hands.

He created Man and can destroy what he created, and will still be just and holy in comparison to a human being destroying a phone which he did not create.

If He decides to destroy the world today and create another Universe, none can question Him.

Humans can only question God on one condition: And that is if they asked to be Created.

But we didnt ask to be created. God only created us for his pleasure.

God is and will continue to be God no matter what we say or do. No matter how proud humans get. No matter How much we try to reduce Him to a man so we can judge Him. No matter how much we try to wish Him out of existence.

God will always be God.

winner01:
I did not start off as a Christian. I just wanted to live my life and be good. I didnt want any name tag, be it christian, atheist, free thinker etc. I just wanted to be human.

I realized I was terribly wrong and that even the world will never leave you be.

I made my little research and I found out that no worldview measures up to christianity. I found out that there have been deliberate attempts to cover up the truth by proclaiming gospels similar to that of christianity, writing books which are similar to Biblical contents, omission and mistranslations of scriptures e.t.c. all in a massive bid to cover up something.

If it was cooked up, then the God of the Bible will appeal to our every desires.

I may not be comfortable about the standards put forth by God, I may not be comfortable about the compatibility of an all loving God and the existence of evil, but it wont do me any good either if I decide to wish Him out of existence. I can only try to find out what is true and what is not.

The fact that you were taught some things as a kid does not make it necessarily wrong. You were taught many other things in school too. I believe that you should do your research and make your findings on which is factual.

I would have loved to engage you further, but I got a deadline to meet over the next couple hours. Maybe later in the evening.

Peace.

winner01:
I did not start off as a Christian. I just wanted to live my life and be good. I didnt want any name tag, be it christian, atheist, free thinker etc. I just wanted to be human.

I realized I was terribly wrong and that even the world will never leave you be.

I made my little research and I found out that no worldview measures up to christianity.

I found out that there have been deliberate attempts to cover up the truth by proclaiming gospels similar to that of christianity, writing books which are similar to Biblical contents, omission and mistranslations of scriptures e.t.c. all in a massive bid to cover up something .
Sounds like a conspiracy theory to me rather than fact. I absolutely see nothing to try and hide from humanity. What if I say christianity is trying to cover up the powers of traditional worship in Nigeria. Does that make traditional worship the true way? Everyone is only trying to promote his niche or take advantage of it for selfish reasons.

[quote] If it was cooked up, then the God of the Bible will appeal to our every desires.

I may not be comfortable about the standards put forth by God, I may not be comfortable about the compatibility of an all loving God and the existence of evil, but it wont do me any good either if I decide to wish Him out of existence. I can only try to find out what is true and what is not.

The fact that you were taught some things as a kid does not make it necessarily wrong. You were taught many other things in school too. I believe that you should do your research and make your findings on which is factual.

I would have loved to engage you further, but I got a deadline to meet over the next couple hours. Maybe later in the evening.

Peace.

KingEbukaNaija:


Good response , the pic made alota sense . Go ahead with your work , don't let them slow you down .


I'll take it from here .

HardMirror:

I prefer winner01's maturity. I won't be responding to you so you can keep your opinion, except you are also winner01 then you should please stick to the matured way he has presented his arguments so far. Not here for mockery

HardMirror:
Below is a "perfect" explanation to why God does things that seems unjust or evil to us humans.
Makes sense right?
Yes it does, but why should we still question God? Why is it important?
It is still important because humans have found that using a supreme creator as a motive for killing, stealing, raping, slavery, genocide, greed, segregation, racism, etc always gives total control of religious adherent.
When we question "God" we actually question the validity of the supposed message, principles, commandments of this "God"
It is to be assumed that no one Knows God, else we would be confronted with millions of contradicting claims all from individuals who claim to have heard from God.
2 brothers in the church go to meet the pastor claiming God said sister Rose is their wife. This happens a lot in churches. So who did God really speak to?
There are hundreds of religion all claiming to have heard from the Supreme Being, so who is telling the truth?
Supposed evil men do and claim God commanded them to do, how should we justify them? Cos it is stamped by "God commanded it?" How?
We would keep questioning and querring "God" because men lie and manipulate.
In truth has anyone heard from God or we are the gods and we speak for ourselves in the name of God.
Winner01, you made a lot of sense here and for the first time, I applaud you. I don't hate you guys, but I hate that you fail to see the whole picture.
You fail to investigate the history of your religion and fail to see the possibilities of it being cooked up. Yet you don't fail to see this flaw in islam or other religions. So why spare yours and dissect the faults in others

honourhim:



Obviously you seem not to be getting the point that guy made. Let me make more clear to you.

1. The creator never consulted you to seek for your permission before creating you.

2. you never had any agreement with him before he created you on how he should treat you in life for you to have the grounds to say he failed in the agreement.

3.His primary aim of creating is not to please what he created.

4.You are not permitted to take away the life of another person because you are not the owner of life. Both your life and the other person's life are owned by God and he has the right to take back the life he has given and there is nothing you can do about it than rant.

5.You can go ahead to scream how cruel and evil God is but to him, life is just running according to the purposes for which he created it.

Let me make a small analogy with animals even though its not exact with God because we are not creators like God.
Animals may have the same bad perception about human in their kingdom considering the rate and manner we kill them on daily basis. To them, we are cruel and evil but to us humans, they are just serving the purposes for which they are meant for in our pot of soup, in our business lives etc

You are just a creature therefore It is not even your standards that makes God a creator.
you can only cry, yell, rant, make noise and display all sorts of anger and denials about him but all those things starts and ends with you. It doesnt change who he is. He remains the creator and runs the universe.

6. You are seeing God as your colleague or partner who stands on the same platform with you and therefore should be judged like you. Too bad bro. GOD IS NOT YOUR COLLEAGUE, HE IS YOUR CREATOR.

honourhim:



Obviously you seem not to be getting the point that guy made. Let me make more clear to you.

1. The creator never consulted you to seek for your permission before creating you.

2. you never had any agreement with him before he created you on how he should treat you in life for you to have the grounds to say he failed in the agreement.

3.His primary aim of creating is not to please what he created.

4.You are not permitted to take away the life of another person because you are not the owner of life. Both your life and the other person's life are owned by God and he has the right to take back the life he has given and there is nothing you can do about it than rant.

5.You can go ahead to scream how cruel and evil God is but to him, life is just running according to the purposes for which he created it.

Let me make a small analogy with animals even though its not exact with God because we are not creators like God.
Animals may have the same bad perception about human in their kingdom considering the rate and manner we kill them on daily basis. To them, we are cruel and evil but to us humans, they are just serving the purposes for which they are meant for in our pot of soup, in our business lives etc

You are just a creature therefore It is not even your standards that makes God a creator.
you can only cry, yell, rant, make noise and display all sorts of anger and denials about him but all those things starts and ends with you. It doesnt change who he is. He remains the creator and runs the universe.

6. You are seeing God as your colleague or partner who stands on the same platform with you and therefore should be judged like you. Too bad bro. GOD IS NOT YOUR COLLEAGUE, HE IS YOUR CREATOR.

honourhim:



Obviously you seem not to be getting the point that guy made. Let me make more clear to you.

1. The creator never consulted you to seek for your permission before creating you.

2. you never had any agreement with him before he created you on how he should treat you in life for you to have the grounds to say he failed in the agreement.

3.His primary aim of creating is not to please what he created.

4.You are not permitted to take away the life of another person because you are not the owner of life. Both your life and the other person's life are owned by God and he has the right to take back the life he has given and there is nothing you can do about it than rant.

So Now Its Not Devil That Take Away Life Tell Me More??

5.You can go ahead to scream how cruel and evil God is but to him, life is just running according to the purposes for which he created it.

Let me make a small analogy with animals even though its not exact with God because we are not creators like God.
Animals may have the same bad perception about human in their kingdom considering the rate and manner we kill them on daily basis. To them, we are cruel and evil but to us humans, they are just serving the purposes for which they are meant for in our pot of soup, in our business lives etc

People God Failed The All Loving God Test Now He Can Kill However He Wishes!! Now I Know Why He Love The Smell Of Burnt Flesh

You are just a creature therefore It is not even your standards that makes God a creator.
you can only cry, yell, rant, make noise and display all sorts of anger and denials about him but all those things starts and ends with you. It doesnt change who he is. He remains the creator and runs the universe.

6. You are seeing God as your colleague or partner who stands on the same platform with you and therefore should be judged like you. Too bad bro. GOD IS NOT YOUR COLLEAGUE, HE IS YOUR CREATOR.

So God Ain't Our Father Again So All Those Pastors Had Been Lying That They Talk To God ?? WHAT Is This Personal Relationship Christians Claim To Have With God

honourhim:



Obviously you seem not to be getting the point that guy made. Let me make more clear to you.

1. The creator never consulted you to seek for your permission before creating you.

2. you never had any agreement with him before he created you on how he should treat you in life for you to have the grounds to say he failed in the agreement.

3.His primary aim of creating is not to please what he created.

4.You are not permitted to take away the life of another person because you are not the owner of life. Both your life and the other person's life are owned by God and he has the right to take back the life he has given and there is nothing you can do about it than rant.

5.You can go ahead to scream how cruel and evil God is but to him, life is just running according to the purposes for which he created it.

Let me make a small analogy with animals even though its not exact with God because we are not creators like God.
Animals may have the same bad perception about human in their kingdom considering the rate and manner we kill them on daily basis. To them, we are cruel and evil but to us humans, they are just serving the purposes for which they are meant for in our pot of soup, in our business lives etc

You are just a creature therefore It is not even your standards that makes God a creator.
you can only cry, yell, rant, make noise and display all sorts of anger and denials about him but all those things starts and ends with you. It doesnt change who he is. He remains the creator and runs the universe.

6. You are seeing God as your colleague or partner who stands on the same platform with you and therefore should be judged like you. Too bad bro. GOD IS NOT YOUR COLLEAGUE, HE IS YOUR CREATOR.

cloudgoddess:

Explain how you are certain that any of this is true, and not just a primitive human-made concept of what God is. These are a lot of extraordinary claims and thus they require extraordinary evidence.

cloudgoddess:


Also, explain why the character you have just described should be judged as "good" by human standards ?

cloudgoddess:
if, going solely from what you've just written, he embodies everything we consider "bad" (selfish, uncompassionate, inconsiderate, uncaring). Why should anyone consider him good when he appears to possess the same traits as the devil?

cloudgoddess:

Explain how you are certain that any of this is true, and not just a primitive human-made concept of what God is. These are a lot of extraordinary claims and thus they require extraordinary evidence.

Also, explain why the character you have just described should be judged as "good" by human standards if, going solely from what you've just written, he embodies everything we consider "bad" (selfish, uncompassionate, inconsiderate, uncaring). Why should anyone consider him good when he appears to possess the same traits as the devil?

Lilbrown007:

Basically U Saying We Humans Don't Have That FreeWill In Which Ur Religion Claim We Have!! And By The Way God Created Us For What?? Pleasure?? Remember Mary??

No Free Will Again!!

So Now Its Not Devil That Take Away Life Tell Me More??

People God Failed The All Loving God Test Now He Can Kill However He Wishes!! Now I Know Why He Love The Smell Of Burnt Flesh

Were Is The Free Will U Preach About Hypocrite

So God Ain't Our Father Again So All Those Pastors Had Been Lying That They Talk To God ?? WHAT Is This Personal Relationship Christians Claim To Have With God

Lilbrown007:

Basically U Saying We Humans Don't Have That FreeWill In Which Ur Religion Claim We Have!! And By The Way God Created Us For What?? Pleasure?? Remember Mary??

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Lilbrown007:



No Free Will Again!!

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Lilbrown007:



So Now Its Not Devil That Take Away Life Tell Me More??

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Lilbrown007:


People God Failed The All Loving God Test Now He Can Kill However He Wishes!! Now I Know Why He Love The Smell Of Burnt Flesh

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Lilbrown007:


Were Is The Free Will U Preach About Hypocrite

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Lilbrown007:


So God Ain't Our Father Again So All Those Pastors Had Been Lying That They Talk To God ?? WHAT Is This Personal Relationship Christians Claim To Have With God

Lilbrown007:
Jesu In One Night Christians Just Change Their Views

honourhim:


The ones you ve been interacting with in the past still maintains their stand. You just met a christian with a different stand from theirs. Thats just the simple truth. I dont do follow-pastor christianity. I read my bible.

hopefulLandlord:
All gods are man-made, it doesn't matter what names they call them

Lilbrown007:

So U Agree We Humans Don't Have Freewill??

honourhim:


What is there to explain again?
Were yoou the one that chose to be created?
Did you have any agreement with God before he created you on how he will treat you on earth?
Are you the one that gave life to yourself?
if God's primary aim of creating us is to please us then there wouldnt have been evil at all and all other things that makes us uncomfortable.

Human standards? Your approval or disapproval of God's character is irrelevant to his person.

what you described there is not what he is but you and your co-travellers in atheism will always choose to see everything bad about him. For us who loves him we know that God is so good and that his goodness spreads to everyone including you people. You can only continue to live in denial of this but your denial of it is also irrelevant.

honourhim:


what do you mean by freewill again? Freedom to live your life anyhow you like without any consequences? There is no such thing bro

cloudgoddess:

In church the congregation screams "god is good all the time" for hours on end. My question isn't "what does god think of our opinions." It's, how can he be judged as "good" like you are saying, if he is clearly not by any consistent human standard? There is a blatant contraction that needs to be addressed.

Should we create a new definition of "good" that also includes "selfish, careless, lacking empathy, & dictator-like"? Or do you agree that people should stop saying god is good & start saying, "god is bad but i still follow him"? Surely that would be more accurate.

HardMirror:

You are the one missing the point.

What creator?

You believe God spoke to moses to murder people but you don't believe God did same for mohammed? That is my point.


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honourhim:



Obviously you seem not to be getting the point that guy made. Let me make more clear to you.

1. The creator never consulted you to seek for your permission before creating you.

2. you never had any agreement with him before he created you on how he should treat you in life for you to have the grounds to say he failed in the agreement.

3.His primary aim of creating is not to please what he created.

4.You are not permitted to take away the life of another person because you are not the owner of life. Both your life and the other person's life are owned by God and he has the right to take back the life he has given and there is nothing you can do about it than rant.

5.You can go ahead to scream how cruel and evil God is but to him, life is just running according to the purposes for which he created it.

Let me make a small analogy with animals even though its not exact with God because we are not creators like God.
Animals may have the same bad perception about human in their kingdom considering the rate and manner we kill them on daily basis. To them, we are cruel and evil but to us humans, they are just serving the purposes for which they are meant for in our pot of soup, in our business lives etc

You are just a creature therefore It is not even your standards that makes God a creator.
you can only cry, yell, rant, make noise and display all sorts of anger and denials about him but all those things starts and ends with you. It doesnt change who he is. He remains the creator and runs the universe.

6. You are seeing God as your colleague or partner who stands on the same platform with you and therefore should be judged like you. Too bad bro. GOD IS NOT YOUR COLLEAGUE, HE IS YOUR CREATOR.

davien:
Hardmirror I tip my hat in respect for replying winner01 and kingebukasblog.

I do so mainly because those two have degraded into nothing but bloggers and "like" chasers on nairaland who keep proping up empty topics and liking each others filth even to the extent of creating extra accounts to do so.

Rather pet my dog than make a lengthy reply to either one.

theoneJabulani:
No offense but if I was yahweh, I would do a better job as God

davien:
Hardmirror I tip my hat in respect for replying winner01 and kingebukasblog.

I do so mainly because those two have degraded into nothing but bloggers and "like" chasers on nairaland who keep proping up empty topics and liking each others filth even to the extent of creating extra accounts to do so.

Rather pet my dog than make a lengthy reply to either one.

Lilbrown007:

So God Controls All Our Actions Or What??