Contact17:

I will not unjustly call him a sufi, but the truth is he has sufis ideology, he claims to have threaded the part of the Ahlul sunnah wal jama'a yet he doesnt even know their aqeedah correctly, he cant define sharee'a term correctly!

Remember he said, how can we rely on the little counts of dua the sahabas did, when sins are much in our time compared to theirs, i say to him, so Allaah didnt know how the future will be for him to have revealed to the prophet these du'as in generality? I feel very disheartened, WAllaahi.

I dont want to fall into the sin of ghibah so i will mention you Empiree – change your ways.

lexiconkabir:


I will not unjustly call him a sufi, but the truth is he has sufis ideology, he claims to have threaded the part of the Ahlul sunnah wal jama'a yet he doesnt even know their aqeedah correctly, he cant define sharee'a term correctly!

Remember he said, how can we rely on the little counts of dua the sahabas did, when sins are much in our time compared to theirs, i say to him, so Allaah didnt know how the future will be for him to have revealed to the prophet these du'as in generality? I feel very disheartened, WAllaahi.

I dont want to fall into the sin of ghibah to i will mention you Empiree – change your ways.

I have never realized the importance of knowing and learning the deen of Allah (from authentic sources) until the past few days. I also never been so heartbroken about the state of the Muslims until the past few days. I intended to stay off Nairaland ( but I am still here) for a while because its just so sad. What is even more heart breaking is that someone out there will read a post from misguided source and that will cause him to have doubts about the religion.

Please can you focus on Jabata?

It is irrelevant to keep talking about this if you dont understand very simple thing. This is not about sect. We cant even make solat like Sahaba today talkless of making dua like them.

Just focus on Jabata now

Qur'an is here as a CLEAR criteria

I am bold enough to talk. I know people who share my view here but keep mute for fear of being tagged.

And you keep misunderstanding the counts. I simply cited that as example. Dont derail your thread now. Focus on Jabata

It is very sad when i gave Qur'an verses talking about using herbs and the sister said it is for herbalist. What then the verse is doing in the Quran? . Why then did Allah reveal the ayah?. Did he tag it for herbalist?.

Well, if you want to follow the prophet(SAW) and sahaba, you should NEVER EVER go to hospital when you sick or someone is sick. All you have to do is recite surah fathia as sahaba did. That's what following them would mean. Or better still, if you visit a doctor, and he prescribes medicine for you to take 2 pills in the morning, 1 pill at night, if you dont ask him how the doctor came about the counts and the prescriptions, then that's hypocrisy. You arent following the sunnah. See the very simple logic?

You see your flawed logic? We are talking about following the sahabas in the matters of deen and not their duniya affairs, going to the doctor is a worldly thing and has nothing to do with deen, the doctors giving 1 pill or 2 didnt tie it to Islam, unlike your jalabi practicing friends viz Alufa

Another example, your problem is, you think you can be like the prophet or the sahaba. Let me give you another example. There is a hadith about reciting i think Alam nashra once and if enemies are coming to you, they wont see you. Now, lexiconkabir and contact79, can you do that in this day and age and enemies wont see you?. Try it and let's see.


What you failed to understand is that, the more atrocities exist in the world, the less istijaba which means the more EFFORTs you put in Dua. But your mentality is very rigid and close.

Another example is, Sahab could make 2 rakat without thinking of anything except Allah. How many would do that today without our heart diverting?. Yet, Allah curses those who pray but are heedless of prayer. Because of that, Allah gives us LOTS and Lots of opportunities to make nafilat. Nafilat are not just 2 rakat. Nafilat means everything, dua, rakat, charity, salaawat etc. Thats nofilat. These are used to FIX missed or imperfect obligatory salat we made. But you people dont understand anything except Sahih Bukhari said and that's it. This is lazy man methodology.

lexiconkabir:
You see your flawed logic? We are talking about following the sahabas in the matters of deen and not their duniya affairs, going to the doctor is a worldly thing and has nothing to do with deen, the doctors giving 1 pill or 2 didnt tie it to Islam, unlike your jalabi practicing friends viz Alufa

Why then you keep saying bid'a when i was talking about medicines? Now you said this is not matter of deen?. I see you brother. Why dont you make use of prophetic medicines in the Sunnah instead of going to christian hospital?. I quoted hadith that the prophet(saw) said for every disease there is cure. That's medicines that we need to research. And i told you over and over that JALABI is medicines but you kept bringing bid'a into it. Now you backtracked saying that visiting doctor is worldly matter. Exactly same with jalabi and I stressed over that the problem is malpractices but you kept bringing worship into it.

So next time you see a doctor, you MUST ask him to provide evidence from the Sunna where he gets prescriptions and the counts from. If not, then, you have no right to criticize those who strive to practice the hadith in their jalabi. You only read hadith but you dont practice it, sir.

Empiree:
It is very sad when i gave Qur'an verses talking about using herbs and the sister said it is for herbalist. What then the verse is doing in the Quran? . Why then did Allah revealed the ayah?. Did he tag it for herbalist?.

Your logic is clearly flawed and you are being mischievous are you were in the last thread. I am surprised that you would stoop so low to twisting words and taking my words out of contex.

What is the definition of an herbalist?

herbalist -a dealer in medicinal herbs

Well, if you want to follow the prophet(SAW) and sahaba, you should NEVER EVER go to hospital when you sick or someone is sick. All you have to do is recite surah fathia as sahaba did.[/b] That's what following them would mean. Or better still, if you visit a doctor, and he prescribes medicine for you to take 2 pills in the morning, 1 pill at night, if you dont ask him how the doctor came about the counts and the prescriptions, then that's hypocrisy. You arent following the sunnah. See the very simple logic?

Bring your evidence that the Sahabas only used Surah fathia for healing because I have clear evidences that suggest otherwise?

The Messenger (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) gave permission to one of the Sahaabah (may Allaah be pleased with him) whose nose had been cut off to use a nose made of silver, but it began to smell bad, so he gave him permission to use a nose made of gold, so he used a nose made of gold.

Bring your evidence that following the Sahabas means using only surah Al- fathis because I have evidences that suggests otherwise.

The Prophet (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) said: “Yes, O slaves of Allaah, seek medical treatment, for Allaah has not created any disease but He has also created it cures – or its medicine – except one disease.” They said: O Messenger of Allaah, what is it? He said: “Old age.” Abu ‘Eesa (al-Tirmidhi) said: Similar reports were narrated from Ibn Mas’ood, Abu Hurayrah, Abu Khuzaamah from his father, and Ibn ‘Abbaas. This is a hasan saheeh hadeeth.

It is clear to me now that if a Muslim is trying to practice medicines in the Sunnah, they get criticized. Thats exactly what salafis have been doing to Sufis. But then, Sheikh Akindele who is Salafi has been doing lots more ruqya like jalabi lately, he gets criticized by Jabata. You are all a joke.

And I quoted severely that Qur'an is medicines. Quran is HEALING. And this is both physical and spiritual. There are evidences in the haidth for this. i even cited this in another thread last year. Now dont get me wrong, I dont have problem with anyone visiting hospital but criticizing Muslims here but supporting the same thing when it is non-muslim is hypocrisy.

And you can criticize it all you want. There are dalil for counts in the hadith. There are duas not directly mentioned in the hadith that are found int he Quran' it is not bid'a. It is about what you dont know. You cant place hadith over Qur'an. Thats a very wrong approach. And you keep talking about yasin 200x. Thats was used as example not a must and not that i said it was recommended. After all, if anyone wants to make yasin 200x, his niyat is the main thing and that's non of anyone's business. You have no right to tell them it is bid'a. Sura Yasin is the word of Allah. That should have clear the air if truly you believe but you placed hadith first before Qur'an. I will NEVER EVER accept that.

[quote author=Empiree post=48721827]Why then you keep saying bid'a when i was talking about medicines? Now you said this is not matter of deen?. I see you brother. Why dont you make use of prophetic medicines in the Sunnah instead of going to christian hospital?. I quoted hadith that the prophet(saw) said for every disease there is cure.

You were talking about people claiming what the prophet didn't claim. You were justifying reasons why peoople were introducing innovations into the deen of Allah. You clearly mentioned ( and I have evidence to back it up) that you wouldn't expect the prophet to ask the sahabas to recite Surah Yasin x number of times because they wouldn't have accepted Islam or would have left it.
Do you or the Alfas know more that the prophet?

That's medicines that we need to research. And i told you over and over that JALABI is medicines but you kept bringing bid'a into it. Now you backtracked saying that visiting doctor is worldly matter. Exactly same with jalabi and I stressed over that the problem is malpractices but you kept bringing worship into it.

If a jalabi is claiming reciting X surah that the prophet didn't claim then we would reject it. If a Jalabi is practing from the Qur'an and sunnah then it will be accepted.
If someone specializes in herbs then he is a herbalist. There is a difference between alagbo and Alfa/Muslim scholar

So next time you see a doctor, you MUST ask him to provide evidence from the Sunna where he gets prescriptions and the counts from. If not, then, you have no right to criticize those who strive to practice the hadith in their jalabi. You only read hadith but you dont practice it, sir.

I answered this already

Contact17:
[b]

Your logic is clearly flawed and you are being mischievous are you were in the last thread. I am surprised that you would stoop so low to twisting words and taking my words out of contex.

What is the definition of an herbalist?

herbalist -a dealer in medicinal herbs

I really hate being told "mischievous", You simply dont understand. we are talking about Quran and Sunnah but you talk about dictionary. What's the use of that? My focus is Quran mentions herbs and that should have clear the air. And i said is the verse in the Quran redundant?. If herbs are for herbalists, then, the pills you take made of leafs and herbs, you should not take them becus they are made by herbalist. Please get you understanding up. I have every right to go to garden and pick up leafs that i know can cure certain ailment. And that would not make me herbalist. It is human that give s the name herbalist as you rightly said according to dico. But Allah said herbs is for healing. You should have understood that without question. PILLS are made from HERBS. Some are even nixed with haram stuff but you wont even know that.

So please, i know what I am talking about. I am not going to address hadith about sura fathia. You quoted hadit yourself and now you disputing it?. You agreed with the hadith bcus the prophet(saw) did not object to sahab for reciting sura fathia. Why are you now denying and asking me to proof if the prophet ordered them to recite it?.

Empiree:
Why then you keep saying bid'a when i was talking about medicines? Now you said this is not matter of deen?. I see you brother. Why dont you make use of prophetic medicines in the Sunnah instead of going to christian hospital?. I quoted hadith that the prophet(saw) said for every disease there is cure. That's medicines that we need to research. And i told you over and over that JALABI is medicines but you kept bringing bid'a into it. Now you backtracked saying that visiting doctor is worldly matter. Exactly same with jalabi and I stressed over that the problem is malpractices but you kept bringing worship into it.

So next time you see a doctor, you MUST ask him to provide evidence from the Sunna where he gets prescriptions and the counts from. If not, then, you have no right to criticize those who strive to practice the hadith in their jalabi. You only read hadith but you dont practice it, sir.

How many times have i told you i dont have problem with medicine(not in the sunnah) as far as it is not tied on the prophet, as far as it is not harmful and works i will use it......i dont think you read my posts at all.

Empiree:
I really hate being told "mischievous", You simply dont understand. we are talking about Quran and Sunnah but you talk about dictionary. What's the use of that? My focus is Quran mentions herbs and that should have clear the air. And i said is the verse in the Quran redundant?. If herbs are for herbalists, then, the pills you take made of leafs and herbs, you should not take them becus they are made by herbalist. Please get you understanding up. I have every right to go to garden and pick up leafs that i know can cure certain ailment. And that would not make me herbalist. It is human that give s the name herbalist as you rightly said according to dico. But Allah said herbs is for healing. You should have understood that without question. PILLS are made from HERBS. Some are even nixed with haram stuff but you wont even know that.

I never for once claimed that herbs weren't a source of healing. Infact I can post evidences if you want. I mentioned clearly that herbs are a form of medicine and whoever engages in it should be learned. What I opposed however was that people should stop innovating things into the religion by saying reciting Surah yasin X times would cause something to happen when the prophet didn't state that.

So please, i know what I am talking about. I am not going to address hadith about sura fathia.[quote] You quoted hadit yourself and now you disputing it?. You agreed with the hadith bcus the prophet(saw) did not object to sahab for reciting sura fathia. Why are you now denying and asking me to proof if the prophet ordered them to recite it?.

It is wrong to go on accusing people of things they didn't do. Where did I deny that? I asked you for proof because you mentioned that the prophet (peace and blessing be upon him) depended only reciting the Qur'an. I had evidences that suggested otherwise so you should provide yours.

[quote author=Contact17 post=48721942][/quote]Alright. I have heard enough of this,. It is useless to keep talking about this. You said if Alfa recommends xyz conts for chapter of Quran but it is not mentioned by the prophet, is bid'ah. And then said alfa must follow Quran and sunnah. Is the chapter recommended not Quran?. Is Yasin not the word of Allah anymore?.

And when i said if prophet(saw) had recommended to recite yasin that much it means it would have been inconvenient for the sahaba. Thats why we see throughout hadith very short dua. It doenst mean a muslim cant do more. If you do more is not bid'a, I am not innovating anything. You dont understand.

As for herbalist specializing in leaf medicines etc then, doctors you visit prescribing pills made of leafs is herbalist. Just becus it is a pill doesn't make it any less. In the begining, i distinguished btw jalabi from worship. It is you two that kept talking about bid'a. I was not even thinking of jalabi as worship. I said several times that it is IWOSAN but you two kept talking about bid'a. My case it clear. Make sure you dont get prescribed medicines from the doctor bcus those pills are made of herbs. And the doctor is a specialist which makes him herbalist. Very simple

There are prophetic medicines and they have to do with herbs and recitation of Quran. If preparing these herbs makes alfa a babalawo, that's your prerogative. When Allah prescribes herbs for nabi Job(as), did he not know what He was doing? subhanAllah.

It is dico that says herbalist specializes in herbs. Not Allah. And many of you people screaming "Quran and Sunnah" do not practice prophetic medicines at all. You rather go to hospitals.

Leave the Jalabis alone if you can't help them with proper coordination.

lexiconkabir:


How many times have i told you i dont have problem with medicine(not in the sunnah) as far as it is not tied on the prophet, as far as it is not harmful and works i will use it......i dont think you read my posts at all.

Does using herbs by alfa makes him abablawo?.

Did you ever make use of prophetic medicines in the Sunnah or you rather go to hospital?

How about herbs mentioned in the Quran and hadith, arent they tied with the prophet?(saw). Both Quran and hadith mention herbs, root etc for curing ailments without specifying them. This is where we use our ijtihad and research them. We dont need to find out where, how and when sahaba use the herbs. But if you keep saying sahaba did not go to farm to get leafs etc, then , you are upon bid'a for going to doctor bcus the doctor give you same herbs inform of pills.

I have one more example depends on how you reply

Empiree:
Does using herbs by alfa makes him abablawo?.

Did you ever make use of prophetic medicines in the Sunnah or you rather go to hospital?

How about herbs mentioned in the Quran and hadith, arent they tied with the prophet?(saw). Both Quran and hadith mention herbs, root etc for curing ailments without specifying them. This is where we use our ijtihad and research them. We dont need to find out where, how and when sahaba use the herbs. But if you keep saying sahaba did not go to farm to get leafs etc, then , you are upon bid'a for going to doctor bcus the doctor give you same herbs inform of pills.

I have one more example depends on how you reply

I will tag them babalawo if they say some phrase on the leaves they use if it has no proof from the prophet.

The Quran made Muslims research not only in the field of medine, but engineering, astronomy and so on, the Quran was the eye opener for them, but whenever these Muslims did their research and get it wrong(perhaps because of wrong methods), should they tie it to the Qur'an because the Quran told them that so and so can be used for so and so thing?

Empiree:
Alright. I have heard enough of this,. It is useless to keep talking about this. You said if Alfa recommends xyz conts for chapter of Quran but it is not mentioned by the prophet, is bid'ah. And then said alfa must follow Quran and sunnah. Is the chapter recommended not Quran?. Is Yasin not the word of Allah anymore?.

Yes a supposedly Muslim scholar is expected to follow the Qur'an and sunnah. On whose authority did the Alfa get to know that reciting surah Yasin will bring about a cause that the prophet didn't mention? I have been asking that question but u seem to deviate from the poin each time. You claimed that there are in the hadiths. On which authority were the hadith classed as authentic?

And when i said if prophet(saw) had recommended to recite yasin that much it means it would have been inconvenient for the sahaba. Thats why we see throughout hadith very short dua. It doenst mean a muslim cant do more. If you do more is not bid'a, I am not innovating anything. You dont understand.

It would have inconvinenced the sahabas who were the best of the people? Whose level of Iman we will NEVER be able to reach? But it won't inconvenience us? Is that logical? Does it make sense?
It is very important that we watch what we say about the sahabas so as not to fall into sin. You haven't answered any of the questions I raised. Who has the right to claim what the messenger of Allah (peace and blessing upon him) didn't claim? Does an Alfa know more that the last prophet of Allah (peace and blessing be upon him)?

As for herbalist specializing in leaf medicines etc then, doctors you visit prescribing pills made of leafs is herbalist. Just becus it is a pill doesn't make it any less. In the begining, i distinguished btw jalabi from worship. It is you two that kept talking about bid'a. I was not even thinking of jalabi as worship. I said several times that it is IWOSAN but you two kept talking about bid'a. My case it clear. Make sure you dont get prescribed medicines from the doctor bcus those pills are made of herbs. And the doctor is a specialist which makes him herbalist. Very simple

There are prophetic medicines and they have to do with herbs and recitation of Quran. If preparing these herbs makes alfa a babalawo, that's your prerogative. When Allah prescribes herbs for nabi Job(as), did he not know what He was doing? subhanAllah.

It is dico that says herbalist specializes in herbs. Not Allah. And many of you people screaming "Quran and Sunnah" do not practice prophetic medicines at all. You rather go to hospitals.

Leave the Jalabis alone if you can't help them with proper coordination.

Yo keep repeating the same thing that evidence had shown against.

Even the Qur'an states that whoever makes accusations should provide evidence. I am within the rights in Islam to ask you for your evidence.
“Say (O Muhammad), Produce your proof if you are truthful”
[al-Baqarah 2:111]
I would advice you to reread the thread again. I already asked for this yesterday when I sensed there were misunderstandings at some point.

Ma salam

Empiree:
Alright. I have heard enough of this,. It is useless to keep talking about this. You said if Alfa recommends xyz conts for chapter of Quran but it is not mentioned by the prophet, is bid'ah. And then said alfa must follow Quran and sunnah. Is the chapter recommended not Quran?. Is Yasin not the word of Allah anymore?.

And when i said if prophet(saw) had recommended to recite yasin that much it means it would have been inconvenient for the sahaba. Thats why we see throughout hadith very short dua. It doenst mean a muslim cant do more. If you do more is not bid'a, I am not innovating anything. You dont understand.

As for herbalist specializing in leaf medicines etc then, doctors you visit prescribing pills made of leafs is herbalist. Just becus it is a pill doesn't make it any less. In the begining, i distinguished btw jalabi from worship. It is you two that kept talking about bid'a. I was not even thinking of jalabi as worship. I said several times that it is IWOSAN but you two kept talking about bid'a. My case it clear. Make sure you dont get prescribed medicines from the doctor bcus those pills are made of herbs. And the doctor is a specialist which makes him herbalist. Very simple

There are prophetic medicines and they have to do with herbs and recitation of Quran. If preparing these herbs makes alfa a babalawo, that's your prerogative. When Allah prescribes herbs for nabi Job(as), did he not know what He was doing? subhanAllah.

It is dico that says herbalist specializes in herbs. Not Allah. And many of you people screaming "Quran and Sunnah" do not practice prophetic medicines at all. You rather go to hospitals.

Leave the Jalabis alone if you can't help them with proper coordination.

We wont leave them alone if they continue claiming what thr prophet did not claimed.

Whats even funny was that, i was listening to one of my favorite nigerian salafis 2days ago and he said those "alfas", when they go to farm(garden) to pick this leafs and that leafs and this root and that root to prepare something, he said they are inviting the Jinn and the jinn is the one they use to proffer the sacrifice. What nonsense is that?

Allah clearly said in Sura Khaf that

Chapter 39

وَلَوْلَا إِذْ دَخَلْتَ جَنَّتَكَ قُلْتَ مَا شَاءَ اللَّهُ لَا قُوَّةَ إِلَّا بِاللَّهِ

" "It was better for you to say, when you entered your garden: 'That which Allah wills (will come to pass)! There is no power but with Allah !'"

Is the Sheikh reading the mind of the Alfa?. it is Allah who cures and accepts sacrifice not the jinn. This is how they discourage people.

You have succeeded in bringing a discussion of another thread to this one, all i can say is welldone and Ma salaam! I'm done with you on this issue.

lexiconkabir:


We wont leave them alone if they continue claiming what thr prophet did not claimed.

I am sure few years back when you were growing up, you benefited BIG TIME from it. If they malpractice somehow, you set for coordination not condemnation.

All these modern Alfas who suddenly became "sunnah followers" were all or mostly benefited. And now condemning it. What a shame!. They condemn without solution other than their regular anthem "Qur'an and Sunnah". But now, I showed you herbs in the Quran and hadith, you said it has nothing to do with prophet. Can you spot my point now?. It means you people have NO solution. Just leave the people alone if you cant coordinate them properly.

Empiree:
I am sure few years back when you were growing up, you benefited BIG TIME from it. If they malpractice somehow, you set for coordination not condemnation.

All these modern Alfas who suddenly became "sunnah followers" were all or mostly benefited. And now condemning it. What a shame!. They condemn without solution other than their regular anthem "Qur'an and Sunnah". But now, I showed you herbs in the Quran and hadith, you said it has nothing to do with prophet. Can you spot my point now?. It means you people have NO solution. Just leave the people alone if you cant coordinate them properly.

Ok.

Empiree doesnt care about madhab of particular sect(s). He focuses on Quran and hadith and opinions of different scholars and derive meaning. Thats how Empiree learns. To hell with all sects. It is all politics and Nabi Rosilulah have no idea of any of them including the self proclaimed "saved sect"

We have no problem with anyone learning from the Quran and authenticated hadiths so long as they are in line the way it was understood during the time of the prophet (peace and blessing be upon him), sahabas and righteous predecessors.
We would however reject any new and innovated understanding and interpretations of the Qura'n and sunnah. These people are usually only a small minority who broke off from the majority of the Muslims population with their twisted and weird understanding.
We have been advised and warned against these people by the prophet (peace and blessing be upon him).

May Allah grant us guidance.
Ameen.

lexiconkabir:


Tor, delete it o, or better still dont take what he says seriously, there is this his student that is exactly like him in oyo, Abu Aisha a.k.a abu ibeji a.k.a mustopha Rosheed, stay away from his audio lectures.

But u have also once posted this same abu ibeji audio here to discard mudeer habib thought on sahih buhari. Hypocrite

lexiconkabir:
This is directed at Muslims that seek truth;

Like i have said and proved, without tawheed your islam wil crumble, don't let anyone deceive you, what you need to do is learn tawheed, not just learning tawheed, learn from the right sources, tawheed is very important! The ummah can never unite upon falsehood, we can only unite upon truth which is tawheed.

How do you expect us to unite when we are not on the same page? How can i unite with someone that calls hussayn instead of Allaah? Or someone that claims a prophet came after Muhammad? Or someone that kneels for someone other than Allaah? We can never unite on that, Abadan! Its like uniting water and fire, its not done.


So i appeal to Muslims that wants to be guided, pls learn tawheed, in that course you'll learn the nullifiers of Islam.


Salaam alaykum.

I tink its u that should be disregarded here n not jabata. Cause u two alSo have the aqeedah n following the same manhaaj fitnaatan


Imagine saying all this trash condemming one muslim calling husseiyn , postrayting for oneslf.

Let it be clear to u dat u al-fitnat walj-jammah are only ignorant about the school of thought of all dis fellow muslim brothers

cyojunior1:




But u have also once posted this same abu ibeji audio here to discard mudeer habib thought on sahih buhari. Hypocrite

Whats the hypocrisy there? I heard the audio and saw nothing wrong with it, and i recommended it, so whats the hypocrisy there? I am telling him to discard the audios because he might not know the wrong from right thing he is saying, whats the hypocrisy there?

cyojunior1:




I tink its u that should be disregarded here n not jabata. Cause u two alSo have the aqeedah n following the same manhaaj fitnaatan


Imagine saying all this trash condemming one muslim calling husseiyn , postrayting for oneslf.

Let it be clear to u dat u al-fitnat walj-jammah are only ignorant about the school of thought of all dis fellow muslim brothers

Oh, its clear now, you are the fellow that tried condemning sahih bukhari here sometimes last month.....

lexiconkabir:


Oh, its clear now, you are the fellow that tried condemning sahih bukhari here sometimes last month.....

Subhanallah ! Wat a blatant lie ! Wu told u I tried condemning bukhari ?

Its very obvious that there are some loop holes of malicious attributed narrations towards the prophet (saw) which have also long over due critized in an interactive group( Jesus is not God? Are you calling him a liar?) On facebook.

To be frank as a muslim I always stood firm to all these critics from all these people but not knowing that they are only trying to shed more light on what islam implies to wat sahih bukhari is portraying to the world causing different sect to follow false hadeeth leading to destruction of lifes n properties

Mudeer moricas : sheik habeebullah adam abdullahi al-ilory is only creating an annex for those who are reasonable to see wat the so call al-fitnah wal has portrayed wat islam is to the world which is not so !

@Empiree here are your own salafs.


We used to sit in front of Abdullah ibn Masoud's (r.a) house before the Fajr prayer waiting to go with him to the Masjid. Abou Mousa al-Ash`aarie (r.a) came and asked us: 'Did Abu Abdurrahman (i.e. Ibn Masoud) leave yet?'

We answered: 'No.'

So Abou Mousa Al-Ashaari (r.a) sat with us waiting for him. When he came out, we all stood up. Abou Mousa Al Ashaari (r.a) told him:

"Oh, Abu Abdurrahman (i.e Abdullah ibn Masood) ! I recently saw something in the Masjid which I did not approve."

Ibn Masoud then asked: "What was it?"

Abou Mousa said: "You will see it if you stay alive..In the Masjid, I saw a group of people sitting in circles waiting for the Salat. Each circle is led by a person. And every person in these circles carries small stones.

The leader of a circle would say: 'Say 'Allah-u Akbar' a hundred times,' they will say Allah-u Akbar a hundred times; then he says 'Say 'La ilaha Illa Allah', a hundred times" they will say La ilaha ill Allah a hundred times; he they says: 'Say 'Subhan Allah', a hundred times, they will say Subhana Allah a hundred times.

Then Ibn Masoud said: "What did you tell them?"

He (Abu mousa al ashaari) said: 'I didn't say anything, I wanted to wait for your opinion."

Abdullah ibn Masoud (angrily) said: "Could you not order them to count their sins, and assured them of getting their rewards."Then Abdulah ibn Masoud went ahead and we accompanied him. As he approached one of the circles, he said: "What is this that you are doing?"

They said: "Oh! Abu Abdurrahman, these are pebbles to count the number of times we say Allah-u Akbar, La ilaha Ill Allah, and Subhana Allah."


He said: "Count your own sins, and I assure you that you are not going to lose anything of your rewards (Hasanat).. Woe unto you, people of Muhammad, how fast you will be doomed. Those are your Prophet's companions available, these are his clothes not worn out yet, and his pots are not broken yet. I swear by Whom my soul is in His Hands that you are either following a religion that is better than the Prophet's religion or you are opening a door of aberration."

They said: "We swear by Allah, oh, Abu Abdurrahman, that we had no intention other than doing good deeds."

He said: "So what? How many people wanted to do good deeds but never got to do them? The Prophet of Allah has told us about people who recited the Qur'an with no effect on them other than the Qur'an passing through their throats. I swear by Allah, I am almost sure that most of you are from that type of people."

Then he (Ibn Masood) left them.

Amr Ibn Salamah said: "We saw most of the people of those circles fighting us with the Khawarij in the battle of An-Nahrawan."

i.e All those people who wanted to do good deeds by innovating a practise in Islam, were fighting against the sahabas in the battle of nahrawan i.e. they were in the gangs/army of the khawarijites (accursed)


[References : - Related by Ad-Daremie (204) and Abu Na`eim with an authentic chain. Authenticated by Al-Haithamee (Al-Majma, 1/181, 189), Al-Haitamee (Az-Zawaajir, Al-Kabeerah #51 ), Al-Albaanee (As-Saheehah, 2005; Ar-Radd alal-Habashee, p.45-47), Abdul-Muhsin Al-Abbaad (Al-Hathth alat-tibaa-is-Sunnah, p.49), Bakr Aboo Zaid (Tas-heeh-ud-Duaa’, p.149, 153, 154), Husayn Asad (Musnad-ud-Daarimee, 210), Amr Saleem (Al-Bida libn Waddaah, 27), Al-Hilaalee (Al-Bidah, p.44-47), Al-Halabee (Ihkaam-ul-Mabaanee, p.55-58), Al-Huwainee (Al-Bidah wa Aathaaruhaa (1), 03:45), Mashhoor Salmaan (Al-Amr bil-Ittibaa, p.83-84), Zakariyyaa Al-Baakistaanee (Taudeeh-ul-Usool ) and others.]

So as you can see, what you are doing now claiming that sins were less in their time compared to us is a fallacious analogy, ibn mas'ud knew it was wrong to prescribe counts by yourself, and he kicked against it, here you are doing exactly what those folks did and you claim its ijtihad?! I pray Allaah opens your eyes – Ameen. As you can see, many scholars of hadith graded it sahih!

Ma Salaam!

cyojunior1:


Subhanallah ! Wat a blatant lie ! Wu told u I tried condemning bukhari ?

Then why point out hadith(as ridiculous) you have no knowledge about? Seriously the problem you all have is, you are lazy, you don't want to study, khalas!

You claim i lied but here is your own thread you opened to condemn bukhari

https://www.nairaland.com/3241566/these-hadeeth-sahih

So remind me again who the liar is?

Its very obvious that there are some loop holes of malicious attributed narrations towards the prophet (saw) which have also long over due critized in an interactive group( Jesus is not God? Are you calling him a liar?) On facebook.

You have no knowledge on hadith and you say loophole? Smh

To be frank as a muslim I always stood firm to all these critics from all these people but not knowing that they are only trying to shed more light on what islam implies to wat sahih bukhari is portraying to the world causing different sect to follow false hadeeth leading to destruction of lifes n properties

Nice story, next?!

Mudeer moricas : sheik habeebullah adam abdullahi al-ilory is only creating an annex for those who are reasonable to see wat the so call al-fitnah wal has portrayed wat islam is to the world which is not so !

habib is an ignoramus that knows nothing, nothing at all, someone that cant read faatiha correctly? Heck! All he knows is jalabi, a.k.a 419 business, òtán! i even thought he understood arabic, but after listening to his rubbish i got to know that he knows nothing, but of course you wouldn't know? Because all you follow is conjecture and whims! You better go and study.

lexiconkabir:
@Em.piree here are your own salafs.


We used to sit in front of Abdullah ibn Masoud's (r.a) house before the Fajr prayer waiting to go with him to the Masjid. Abou Mousa al-Ash`aarie (r.a) came and asked us: 'Did Abu Abdurrahman (i.e. Ibn Masoud) leave yet?'

We answered: 'No.'

So Abou Mousa Al-Ashaari (r.a) sat with us waiting for him. When he came out, we all stood up. Abou Mousa Al Ashaari (r.a) told him:

"Oh, Abu Abdurrahman (i.e Abdullah ibn Masood) ! I recently saw something in the Masjid which I did not approve."

Ibn Masoud then asked: "What was it?"

Abou Mousa said: "You will see it if you stay alive..In the Masjid, I saw a group of people sitting in circles waiting for the Salat. Each circle is led by a person. And every person in these circles carries small stones.

The leader of a circle would say: 'Say 'Allah-u Akbar' a hundred times,' they will say Allah-u Akbar a hundred times; then he says 'Say 'La ilaha Illa Allah', a hundred times" they will say La ilaha ill Allah a hundred times; he they says: 'Say 'Subhan Allah', a hundred times, they will say Subhana Allah a hundred times.

Then Ibn Masoud said: "What did you tell them?"

He (Abu mousa al ashaari) said: 'I didn't say anything, I wanted to wait for your opinion."

Abdullah ibn Masoud (angrily) said: "Could you not order them to count their sins, and assured them of getting their rewards."Then Abdulah ibn Masoud went ahead and we accompanied him. As he approached one of the circles, he said: "What is this that you are doing?"

They said: "Oh! Abu Abdurrahman, these are pebbles to count the number of times we say Allah-u Akbar, La ilaha Ill Allah, and Subhana Allah."


He said: "Count your own sins, and I assure you that you are not going to lose anything of your rewards (Hasanat).. Woe unto you, people of Muhammad, how fast you will be doomed. Those are your Prophet's companions available, these are his clothes not worn out yet, and his pots are not broken yet. I swear by Whom my soul is in His Hands that you are either following a religion that is better than the Prophet's religion or you are opening a door of aberration."

They said: "We swear by Allah, oh, Abu Abdurrahman, that we had no intention other than doing good deeds."

He said: "So what? How many people wanted to do good deeds but never got to do them? The Prophet of Allah has told us about people who recited the Qur'an with no effect on them other than the Qur'an passing through their throats. I swear by Allah, I am almost sure that most of you are from that type of people."

Then he (Ibn Masood) left them.

Amr Ibn Salamah said: "We saw most of the people of those circles fighting us with the Khawarij in the battle of An-Nahrawan."

i.e All those people who wanted to do good deeds by innovating a practise in Islam, were fighting against the sahabas in the battle of nahrawan i.e. they were in the gangs/army of the khawarijites (accursed)


[References : - Related by Ad-Daremie (204) and Abu Na`eim with an authentic chain. Authenticated by Al-Haithamee (Al-Majma, 1/181, 189), Al-Haitamee (Az-Zawaajir, Al-Kabeerah #51 ), Al-Albaanee (As-Saheehah, 2005; Ar-Radd alal-Habashee, p.45-47), Abdul-Muhsin Al-Abbaad (Al-Hathth alat-tibaa-is-Sunnah, p.49), Bakr Aboo Zaid (Tas-heeh-ud-Duaa’, p.149, 153, 154), Husayn Asad (Musnad-ud-Daarimee, 210), Amr Saleem (Al-Bida libn Waddaah, 27), Al-Hilaalee (Al-Bidah, p.44-47), Al-Halabee (Ihkaam-ul-Mabaanee, p.55-58), Al-Huwainee (Al-Bidah wa Aathaaruhaa (1), 03:45), Mashhoor Salmaan (Al-Amr bil-Ittibaa, p.83-84), Zakariyyaa Al-Baakistaanee (Taudeeh-ul-Usool ) and others.]

So as you can see, what you are doing now claiming that sins were less in their time compared to us is a fallacious analogy, ibn mas'ud knew it was wrong to prescribe counts by yourself, and he kicked against it, here you are doing exactly what those folks did and you claim its ijtihad?! I pray Allaah opens your eyes – Ameen. As you can see, many scholars of hadith graded it sahih!

Ma Salaam!

lol, You have gone from Jabata to jalabi, to group dhikr. You just seeing this hadith for the first time and it makes you feel good, right?. This is the hadith quoted by sheikh Abu Usammah of GREEN MASJID in London to silence those people doing it. Am coming back for you.I remember responding to the him on YouTube back then.

Don't worry, there are other bunch of ahadith in support of grour dhikr. That would rubbish this one. You have one major problem here and that is, its ISNAD doesn't reach Rosulullah (saw). You should rather focus on Jabata before I come for you