Ngozi123:


One thing that I don't get about Muslims and Islam in general is why do you guys still acknowledge Jesus Christ as a prophet even though he himself proclaimed that he is the Son of God? I've always found this to be strange. Why is it that no one, not any Atheist, Muslim, Hindu and not even the Jews can say anything bad about Jesus Christ? You can't say the same for Muhammad as there's evidence pointing to him committing unholy acts but with Jesus, all we ever hear are good things. Please ask yourself that question.

Jesus Peace be upon him is the servant of God. Bible says “The God of Abraham, Isaac and Jacob, the God of our fathers, has glorified his servant Jesus” (Acts 3:13). Peter further said: “ God raised up his servant” (Acts 3:26), where the title servant refers to Jesus. “your holy servant Jesus whom you anointed” (Acts 4:27)

Islam is the only non-Christian faith, which makes it an article of faith to believe in Jesus (pbuh). No Muslim is a Muslim if he does not believe in Jesus (pbuh). We believe that he was one of the mightiest Messengers of Allah (swt). We believe that he was born miraculously, without any male intervention, which many modern day Christians do not believe. We believe he was the Messiah translated Christ (pbuh). We believe that he gave life to the dead with God’s permission.

In fact there is Not a single unequivocal statement in the entire Bible where Jesus (pbuh) himself says, "I am God" or where he says, "worship me". In fact the Bible contains statements attributed to Jesus (pbuh) in which he preached quite the contrary. The following statements in the Bible are attributed to Jesus Christ (pbuh)

"I can of mine own self do nothing: as I hear, I judge: and my judgement is just; because I seek not my own will, but the will of the Father which hath sent me." [The Bible, John 5:30]

FriendChoice:


Jesus Peace be upon him is the servant of God. Bible says “The God of Abraham, Isaac and Jacob, the God of our fathers, has glorified his servant Jesus” (Acts 3:13). Peter further said: “ God raised up his servant” (Acts 3:26), where the title servant refers to Jesus. “your holy servant Jesus whom you anointed” (Acts 4:27)

Islam is the only non-Christian faith, which makes it an article of faith to believe in Jesus (pbuh). No Muslim is a Muslim if he does not believe in Jesus (pbuh).[/b]We believe that he was one of the mightiest Messengers of Allah (swt). [b]We believe that he was born miraculously, without any male intervention, which many modern day Christians do not believe. We believe he was the Messiah translated Christ (pbuh). We believe that he gave life to the dead with God’s permission.

In fact there is Not a single unequivocal statement in the entire Bible where Jesus (pbuh) himself says, "I am God" or where he says, "worship me". In fact the Bible contains statements attributed to Jesus (pbuh) in which he preached quite the contrary. The following statements in the Bible are attributed to Jesus Christ (pbuh)

"I can of mine own self do nothing: as I hear, I judge: and my judgement is just; because I seek not my own will, but the will of the Father which hath sent me." [The Bible, John 5:30]

Thanks for taking the time to reply and I'm glad that you quoted the Bible, and the Gospel of John in particular, for reference.

First of all, all Christians believe in the immaculate conception, if they don't then they're not a Christian. The fact that you as a Muslim agree with Christians on this yet you still fail to believe that Jesus is the Son of God is truly astounding. How can an ordinary human being be born without the help of a man, except He is the Son of God? God made Adam and Eve and all of the generations after them and yet not one, not one prophet, let alone ordinary man, was born without the help of a human father but Jesus was. What does this say of Him?

John 8:42
Jesus said unto them, If God were your Father, ye would love me: for I proceeded forth and came from God; neither came I of myself, but he sent me.

Now, you've already admitted that Jesus does not a have human father so what does this say to you? Jesus said many times that he was sent from God so if he has no human father, and he wasn't brought forth from himself, then who is his father, if not God?

As for you saying that Jesus never says that He is the Son of God...

John 9:35-38

35 Jesus heard that they had cast him out; and when he had found him, he said unto him, Dost thou believe on the Son of God?

36 He answered and said, Who is he, Lord, that I might believe on him?

37 And Jesus said unto him, Thou hast both seen him, and it is he that talketh with thee.

38 And he said, Lord, I believe. And he worshipped him.

I hope this helps brother .

vedaxcool:
op majority of nairalanders are crazed drunks incapable of reasoning beyond hate and malice. Wasting your time on such iq depleted persons is of no use.

what about that man from arabia that raped a teenager in the name of marriage. If that man you people follow is alive i would have sued him to ICC for genocide.

Ngozi123:


One thing that I don't get about Muslims and Islam in general is why do you guys still acknowledge Jesus Christ as a prophet even though He Himself proclaimed that He is the Son of God? I've always found this to be strange. Why is it that no one, not any Atheist, Muslim, Hindu and not even the Jews can say anything bad about Jesus Christ? You can't say the same for Muhammad as there's evidence pointing to him committing unholy acts but with Jesus, all we ever hear are good things. Please ask yourself that question.

best observation. Great food for thought

Quran (2:191-193) - "And kill them wherever you find them, and turn them out from where they have turned you out. And Al-Fitnah [disbelief or unrest] is worse than killing... but if they desist, then lo! Allah is forgiving and merciful. And fight them until there is no more Fitnah [disbelief and worshipping of others along with Allah] and worship is for Allah alone. But if they cease, let there be no transgression except against Az-Zalimun(the polytheists, and wrong-doers, etc.)"



Quran (2:216) - "Fighting is prescribed for you, and ye dislike it. But it is possible that ye dislike a thing which is good for you, and that ye love a thing which is bad for you. But Allah knoweth, and ye know not." Not only does this verse establish that violence can be virtuous, but it also contradicts the myth that fighting is intended only in self-defense, since the audience was obviously not under attack at the time.



Quran (3:151) - "Soon shall We cast terror into the hearts of the Unbelievers, for that they joined companions with Allah, for which He had sent no authority". This speaks directly of polytheists, yet it also includes Christians, since they believe in the Trinity (ie. what Muhammad incorrectly believed to be 'joining companions to Allah').

Quran (4:74) - "Let those fight in the way of Allah who sell the life of this world for the other. Whoso fighteth in the way of Allah, be he slain or be he victorious, on him We shall bestow a vast reward." The martyrs of Islam are unlike the early Christians, who were led meekly to the slaughter. These Muslims are killed in battle as they attempt to inflict death and destruction for the cause of Allah. This is the theological basis for today's suicide bombers.



Quran (9:20) - "Those who believe, and have left their homes and striven with their wealth and their lives in Allah's way are of much greater worth in Allah's sight. These are they who are triumphant." The Arabic word interpreted as "striving" in this verse is the same root as "Jihad". The context is obviously holy war.

Ngozi123:


Thanks for taking the time to reply and I'm glad that you quoted the Bible, and the Gospel of John in particular, for reference.

First of all, all Christians believe in the immaculate conception, if they don't then they're not a Christian. The fact that you as a Muslim agree with Christians on this yet you still fail to believe that Jesus is the Son of God is truly astounding. How can an ordinary human being be born without the help of a man, except He is the Son of God? God made Adam and Eve and all of the generations after them and yet not one, not one prophet, let alone ordinary man, was born without the help of a human father but Jesus was. What does this say of Him?

John 8:42
Jesus said unto them, If God were your Father, ye would love me: for I proceeded forth and came from God; neither came I of myself, but he sent me.

Now, you've already admitted that Jesus does not a have human father so what does this say to you? Jesus said many times that he was sent from God so if he has no human father, and he wasn't brought forth from himself, then who is his father, if not God?

As for you saying that Jesus never says that He is the Son of God...

John 9:35-38

35 Jesus heard that they had cast him out; and when he had found him, he said unto him, Dost thou believe on the Son of God?

36 He answered and said, Who is he, Lord, that I might believe on him?

37 And Jesus said unto him, Thou hast both seen him, and it is he that talketh with thee.

38 And he said, Lord, I believe. And he worshipped him.

I hope this helps brother .

If you believe because Jesus have no man as s father that is what makes him God or Begotten Son. I prepare to go with Adam peace be upon him, who have no man as a father nor woman as a mother. Between the birth of Jesus peace be upon him and the creation of Adam without father and mother which one is more miraculous?


Son of God Means Righteous Person.

"Ye men of Israel, hear these words; Jesus of Nazareth, a man approved of God among you by miracles and wonders and signs, which God did by him in the midst of you, as ye yourselves also know."
[The Bible, Acts 2:22]

According to the Bible every righteous person who follows the Commandments of God is referred to as ‘son of God’. If you're a righteous person, you're also a son of God. As the Bible says,

"For as many as are led by the Spirit of God, they are the sons of God." (Romans 8:14)
"That the sons of God saw the daughters of men " (Genesis 6:2).
"Israel is my son, even my firstborn" (Exodus 4:22).
"Ye are the children of God" (Deuteronomy 14:1).
"The Lord hath said unto me, (David) Thou art my
son: this day have I begotten thee" (Psalms 2:7).
"which (Adam) was the Son of God" (Luke 3:38).

But Christian Says No Jesus is Not a Normal Son But Begotten Son

Son is a metaphorical, not literal, descriptive term that is commonly used by the Jews to indicate closeness and affection to God. The authors of the New Testament used the same title of the Son of God to indicate closeness to God

God is not only his father, but also your father (Matthew 5:45 & 48).

When asked the meaning of the word ‘begotten’ the Christian will rarely be able to explain. Begetting is an animal act belonging to the animal function of sex. ‘Begotten’ means "sired".

The word "only begotten" exists only in the Gospel
according to John, only in the King James Version
(1:14, 1:18, 3:16, 3:18). Interestingly enough, this
word does not exist in the Revised Standard Version, New Revised Standard, or the World English Bible. Consequently, the two basic principles of Christianity, trinity and son of god, exist only in Gospel according to John and in First Epistle of John, only in the King James Version, a version that was described as having
grave defects.

The average Christian should have the right to ask why was the basics of my Christian faith deleted from later versions of the Bible and what happened to my faith?

Again the question is why this word, that is extremely important, was deleted from later Bibles?

But this is what Christians are made to believe in the churches without any references to the authenticity of the Gospels or to the different versions of the Bible.


The word "Begotten" Has Been Thrown Out Of The Bible:

The word ‘begotten’ mentioned in the Gospel of John, Chap 3 vs. 16 has been thrown out from the Revised Standard Version of the Bible as an interpolation, as a fabrication. The Revised Standard Version has been revised by 32 Christian Scholars of the highest eminence, backed by 50 different co-operating denominations and these Scholars have removed this blasphemous word without any ceremony as an interpolation, concoction, fabrication, and adulteration Yet the majority of Christians are unaware of this important fact because they do not read their own Bibles. The priests in their sermons continue to use this blasphemous verse and indoctrinate the masses with false teachings. So if you are still using this blasphemous word, please stop using it because it does NOT exist in the original manuscripts of the Bible and has been thrown out of the Bible.

I respect the fact, no insult in your reply unlike others, when you engage in discussions like this.

FriendChoice:


If you believe because Jesus have no man as s father that is what makes him God or Begotten Son.

Nor be only you sabi write long note o.

When we say Jesus is the Son of God we mean he pre-existed as God.
The Jews understood this:

John 5
18 Therefore the Jews sought the more to kill him, because he not only had broken the sabbath, but said also that God was his Father, making himself equal with God.

But it's true. It doesn't matter what you think.
Jesus wasn't a man or an angel originally, even though, he can by humility, assume their states:

Hebrews 1
5 For unto which of the angels said he at any time, Thou art my Son, this day have I begotten thee? And again, I will be to him a Father, and he shall be to me a Son?
6 And again, when he bringeth in the firstbegotten into the world, he saith, And let all the angels of God worship him.
8 But unto the Son he saith, Thy throne, O God, is for ever and ever: a sceptre of righteousness is the sceptre of thy kingdom.

How can angels worship an angel?
Or bow to a mere man as is captured below:

Revelation 5
13 And every creature which is in heaven, and on the earth, and under the earth, and such as are in the sea, and all that are in them, heard I saying, Blessing, and honour, and glory, and power, be unto him that sitteth upon the throne, and unto the Lamb for ever and ever.

Philippians 2
5 Let this mind be in you, which was also in Christ Jesus:
6 Who, being in the form of God, thought it not robbery to be equal with God:
7 But made himself of no reputation, and took upon him the form of a servant, and was made in the likeness of men:
9 Wherefore God also hath highly exalted him, and given him a name which is above every name:
10 That at the name of Jesus every knee should bow, of things in heaven, and things in earth, and things under the earth;
11 And that every tongue should confess that Jesus Christ is Lord, to the glory of God the Father.

Even before His birth Isaiah foretold of his unique nature as God:

Isaiah 9
6 For unto us a child is born, unto us a son is given: and the government shall be upon his shoulder: and his name shall be called Wonderful, Counseller, The mighty God, The everlasting Father, The Prince of Peace.

These things are without controversy to us:

1 Timothy 3
16 And without controversy great is the mystery of godliness: God was manifest in the flesh, justified in the Spirit, seen of angels, preached unto the Gentiles, believed on in the world, received up into glory.


The day you accept Jesus for whom he is
Is the day you become a worshiper of God

1 John 2
23 Whosoever denieth the Son, the same hath not the Father: (but) he that acknowledgeth the Son hath the Father also.

John 5
23 That all men should honour the Son, even as they honour the Father. He that honoureth not the Son honoureth not the Father which hath sent him.

That's all. Thanks.

flamingREED:


Nor be only you sabi write long note o.

When we say Jesus is the Son of God we mean he pre-existed as God.
The Jews understood this:

John 5
18 Therefore the Jews sought the more to kill him, because he not only had broken the sabbath, but said also that God was his Father, making himself equal with God.

But it's true. It doesn't matter what you think.
Jesus wasn't a man or an angel originally, even though, he can by humility, assume their states:

Hebrews 1
5 For unto which of the angels said he at any time, Thou art my Son, this day have I begotten thee? And again, I will be to him a Father, and he shall be to me a Son?
6 And again, when he bringeth in the firstbegotten into the world, he saith, And let all the angels of God worship him.
8 But unto the Son he saith, Thy throne, O God, is for ever and ever: a sceptre of righteousness is the sceptre of thy kingdom.

How can angels worship an angel?
Or bow to a mere man as is captured below:

Revelation 5
13 And every creature which is in heaven, and on the earth, and under the earth, and such as are in the sea, and all that are in them, heard I saying, Blessing, and honour, and glory, and power, be unto him that sitteth upon the throne, and unto the Lamb for ever and ever.

Philippians 2
5 Let this mind be in you, which was also in Christ Jesus:
6 Who, being in the form of God, thought it not robbery to be equal with God:
7 But made himself of no reputation, and took upon him the form of a servant, and was made in the likeness of men:
9 Wherefore God also hath highly exalted him, and given him a name which is above every name:
10 That at the name of Jesus every knee should bow, of things in heaven, and things in earth, and things under the earth;
11 And that every tongue should confess that Jesus Christ is Lord, to the glory of God the Father.

Even before His birth Isaiah foretold of his unique nature as God:

Isaiah 9
6 For unto us a child is born, unto us a son is given: and the government shall be upon his shoulder: and his name shall be called Wonderful, Counseller, The mighty God, The everlasting Father, The Prince of Peace.

These things are without controversy to us:

1 Timothy 3
16 And without controversy great is the mystery of godliness: God was manifest in the flesh, justified in the Spirit, seen of angels, preached unto the Gentiles, believed on in the world, received up into glory.


The day you accept Jesus for whom he is
Is the day you become a worshiper of God

1 John 2
23 Whosoever denieth the Son, the same hath not the Father: (but) he that acknowledgeth the Son hath the Father also.

John 5
23 That all men should honour the Son, even as they honour the Father. He that honoureth not the Son honoureth not the Father which hath sent him.

That's all. Thanks.

Frankly speaking what you write don't make sense. Why taking me back after I finish explaining about the begotten son. I refer u bak to the previous comment, read it and then if there is error correct me.

Concerning Angel bowing to man, its the commanded of God.

Their worship of me is empty, because they teach human rules as doctrines (Mathew 15: 9)

Did David worship Saul when he prostrated his
face down to the ground before him?

1 Samuel 24
7 With these words David rebuked his men and did
not allow them to attack Saul. And Saul left the
cave and went his way.
8 Then David went out of the cave and called out to
Saul, "My lord the king! " When Saul looked behind
him, David bowed down and prostrated himself
with his face to the ground.
9 He said to Saul, "Why do you listen when men
say, 'David is bent on harming you'?

'All this I will give you,' he (Satan) said (to Jesus),
'if you will bow down and worship me.' Jesus said
to him, 'Away from me, Satan! For it is written:
'Worship the Lord your God, and serve him only. '

@op
It is better to run to arm robbers with sophisticated weapons than to run to Muslims.
There's nothing like 'mercy' in Islamic dictionary, everything is killing and destruction.
Islam is a cancer against the world.

FriendChoice:


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Bye bye to hell.

Keep following Mohammed

mightykabex670:



It is just like nailing yourself on the stake,by saying "christians don't follow the teachings of Paul,moses and david" .. The whole standard and pillar of christianity is based on the verdicts in the epistles of Paul and 90 percent of christian clergies live by the levitical and deuteronimical laws given to moses. You christians observe the 10 commandments in the bible and the entire torah is built on being complimentary to the New testament. Jesus' orders in the bible barely covers up 12 percent of what makes up christianity today. It is the letters and epistles of Paul of Tarsus,which sums up the suppliments that establish the stronghold of christianity today. So,you saying you don't follow paul is a statement made by only mediocres and biblically unlettered minds.

Moreso,the bible says "Any one who ignores the laws of the old testament shall be called least in the kingdom of God.." Matthew 5:17... 2 timothy 3:16 also says "Al scripture are inspired by God" .. So,you should go and read more about your bible before posting such comment.

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We (true) muslims follow the teachings of God in the holy Quran. Those terrorists are not muslims,because they break the rule of "there shall be no compulsion in religion" which the Quran gives.

ignorance is a disease

nairalife2013:
Facts tells me that Christians follow d orders of jesus not the orders of david or moses or paul in the bible. Thatz why Christians are merciful and forgiving and woud rather love thier enemies and turn the other cheek than commit inhumane actions. Op, pls just answer me dis one question: whose orders do moslems follow?

killing in the name of any guise or God by Christisns or Muslims in this 21st century is just not justifiable. I don't care what some fools have done to anyone in the name of religion in some past by Christians or whatever as laughably claimed. if anyone feels vengeful, he should go to those lands he claims christians killed in the past and act the avenger, not coming here to Nigeria where no Christian folks have done people of other faiths any wrongs to warrant wickedness we now see as commonplace. It's baffling how they justify sheer cruelty quoting allien occurrences to justify killing a fellow citizen in Nigeria.

flamingREED:


Bye bye to hell.

Keep following Mohammed

No problem we shall see hereafter. Up until then, I ask Allah (SWT) to show the right part if you're part of those that will get Paradise. Otherwise I wish you safe journey to Jahannam (Hell)

FriendChoice:


No problem we shall see hereafter. Up until then, I ask Allah (SWT) to show the right part if you're part of those that will get Paradise. Otherwise I wish you safe journey to Jahannam (Hell)

Hahaha. Are you free from sin like me?

It's a pity.

flamingREED:



Hahaha. Are you free from sin like me?

It's a pity.

No one is free from Sin. We are not talking of Sin, we are talking about of right path, right religion.

FriendChoice:


No one is free from Sin. We are not talking of Sin, we are talking about of right path, right religion.

This is why those who're outside Christ are *blind.

Jesus came to take away the sins of all that believe,
For without holiness, no man shall see the Lord.

The true religion is that which has a Saviour that saves from sin,
Thereby enabling the followers to escape the judgement of God.

John 1
29 The next day John seeth Jesus coming unto him, and saith, Behold the Lamb of God, which taketh away the sin of the world.

Hebrews 12
14 Follow peace with all men, and holiness, without which no man shall see the Lord:

Hebrews 10
14 For by one offering he hath perfected for ever them that are sanctified.

Only perfect people will see God.

You better switch to Christ and be saved through faith in His blood


Or PERISH

flamingREED:


This is why those who're outside Christ are *blind.

Jesus came to take away the sins of all that believe,
For without holiness, no man shall see the Lord.

The true religion is that which has a Saviour that saves from sin,
Thereby enabling the followers to escape the judgement of God.

John 1
29 The next day John seeth Jesus coming unto him, and saith, Behold the Lamb of God, which taketh away the sin of the world.

Hebrews 12
14 Follow peace with all men, and holiness, without which no man shall see the Lord:

Hebrews 10
14 For by one offering he hath perfected for ever them that are sanctified.

Only perfect people will see God.

You better switch to Christ and be saved through faith in His blood


Or PERISH

No Problem let's wait and see hereafter
Romans 3v23: for all have sinned and come short
of the glory of God.
Job 25v4: how can man be justified with God? Or
how can he be clean that is born of a woman?

As usual!
Very typical of them muslims.Are you telling me it is normal for muslim to kill since the christian crusader did the same a century ago? Instead of you all speaking against such barbaric act, you're here giving silly excuses to justify it. i don't just get how all these islamic fanatics do their reasoning especially when they killed in the name of their allah.

Before you quote me, have it in your warped mind that i don't give a sh!t about any of ya f!cking god.

FriendChoice:


No Problem let's wait and see hereafter
Romans 3v23: for all have sinned and come short
of the glory of God.
Job 25v4: how can man be justified with God? Or
how can he be clean that is born of a woman?

Haha.

Roman's 3:23 gives a reason for what is started earlier..
No man can be accepted into heaven because they try to do good,
Because their best is not good enough before God..
So, none can attain righteousness by themselves.
Therefore, forgiveness is by faith and freely.
Since EVERYONE IS GUILTY,
THE RIGHTEOUSNESS OF GOD IS BY FAITH UNTO ALL..
for all have sinned.

Read again:

Romans 3
21 But now the righteousness of God without the law is manifested, being witnessed by the law and the prophets;
22 Even the righteousness of God which is by faith of Jesus Christ unto all and upon all them that believe: for there is no difference:
23 For all have sinned, and come short of the glory of God;

You can read from verse 19 up to verse 24.

Now concerning what Job's friend said, it's the same thing.
No man by his own efforts can be justified before God.

See how we're justified:
FREELY BY FAITH THROUGH GOD'S FORBEARANCE:

Romans 3
24 Being justified freely by his grace through the redemption that is in Christ Jesus:
26 To declare, I say, at this time his righteousness: that he might be just, and the justifier of him which believeth in Jesus.
27 Where is boasting then? It is excluded. By what law? of works? Nay: but by the law of faith.

In spite of what Job's friend thought,
Job had been justified and ratified by God:

Job 1
8 And the LORD said unto Satan, Hast thou considered my servant Job, that there is none like him in the earth, a perfect and an upright man, one that feareth God, and escheweth evil?

Job 2
3 And the LORD said unto Satan, Hast thou considered my servant Job, that there is none like him in the earth, a perfect and an upright man, one that feareth God, and escheweth evil? and still he holdeth fast his integrity, although thou movedst me against him, to destroy him without cause.

Job 27
5 God forbid that I should justify you: till I die I will not remove mine integrity from me.

God's Swordsman.

Suprnov3r:
Quran (2:191-193) - "And kill them wherever you find them, and turn them out from where they have turned you out. And Al-Fitnah [disbelief or unrest] is worse than killing... but if they desist, then lo! Allah is forgiving and merciful. And fight them until there is no more Fitnah [disbelief and worshipping of others along with Allah] and worship is for Allah alone. But if they cease, let there be no transgression except against Az-Zalimun(the polytheists, and wrong-doers, etc.)"



Quran (2:216) - "Fighting is prescribed for you, and ye dislike it. But it is possible that ye dislike a thing which is good for you, and that ye love a thing which is bad for you. But Allah knoweth, and ye know not." Not only does this verse establish that violence can be virtuous, but it also contradicts the myth that fighting is intended only in self-defense, since the audience was obviously not under attack at the time.



Quran (3:151) - "Soon shall We cast terror into the hearts of the Unbelievers, for that they joined companions with Allah, for which He had sent no authority". This speaks directly of polytheists, yet it also includes Christians, since they believe in the Trinity (ie. what Muhammad incorrectly believed to be 'joining companions to Allah').

Quran (4:74) - "Let those fight in the way of Allah who sell the life of this world for the other. Whoso fighteth in the way of Allah, be he slain or be he victorious, on him We shall bestow a vast reward." The martyrs of Islam are unlike the early Christians, who were led meekly to the slaughter. These Muslims are killed in battle as they attempt to inflict death and destruction for the cause of Allah. This is the theological basis for today's suicide bombers.



Quran (9:20) - "Those who believe, and have left their homes and striven with their wealth and their lives in Allah's way are of much greater worth in Allah's sight. These are they who are triumphant." The Arabic word interpreted as "striving" in this verse is the same root as "Jihad". The context is obviously holy war.

Mr OP, you challenged nairalanders to quote where it was written in the Quran that Muslims are commanded to "kill innocents".

But I have waited for hours for your response to above quotes from Quran.

Or are those not from Quran?

Or nobody is innocent among more than 6 billion non Muslim occupants of this earth?

olisasegun:


Mr OP, you challenged nairalanders to quote where it was written in the Quran that Muslims are commanded to "kill innocents".

But I have waited for hours for your response to above quotes from Quran.

Or are those not from Quran?

Or nobody is innocent among more than 6 billion non Muslim occupants of this earth?

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Bismillahir-rahmanir-raheem-..

I see you're really willing to learn,and I will kowtow to enlighten you.
The challenge I posited was: SHOW ME A SINGLE VERSE WHERE QURAN SAYS KILL "INNOCENTS".

Does the above verses meet my challenge? Absolutely NO!!

The verses above were revealed at specific occurences and it only contains the message of Allah to muslims,ordering them to FIGHT and KILL those who try to FIGHT and KILL them also,but if they stop,the Quran says "you must stop fighting when the enemy cease to fight you" .

Now,let me analytically refute all your claims,starting with the most misinterpreted Quran 9:29.

________

Other verses that allege Muslims to
Violence and their correct
explanations shall be treated with clear-cut refutation below.

Do yourself a favour by reading it all.

_________
Verse 9:29 of Surah at-tauba is
probably the intentionally most
misinterpreted verse of the Quran.
This is what it says: –


“Fight those who believe not in God
nor the Last Day, nor hold that
forbidden which hath been forbidden
by God and His Apostle, nor
acknowledge the religion of Truth ,
(even if they are) of the People of the
Book, until they pay the Jizya with
willing submission, and feel
themselves subdued.” S. 9:29 Y. Ali
Dear brother mansour, I totally
understand you when you say that this
verse promotes violence on a cursory
glance. But if you read it carefully you’ll
find that it doesn’t. I hope you will be
patient enough to be with me
throughout the end of this article.
The verse says “Fight those who
believe not in God nor the Last Day,
nor hold that forbidden which hath
been forbidden by God and His
Apostle, nor acknowledge the
religion of Truth” .


My question to you brother. Does this
verse stop here? No it doesnt. It
continues and gives the actual reason
as to the fighting. This is the
continuation below:

– “until they pay the
Jizya with willing submission, and
feel themselves subdued”.

You see? The Quran made it clear,that the judgement only lies UNTIL they pay Jizya and stop fighting you. Then you must not fight them

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PAYING JIZYA IS THE CONDITION
FOR FIGHTING. THIS STATEMENT IS
TOTALLY IGNORED OR OVERLOOKED
WHEN LEVYING THIS ALLEGATION OF
VIOLENCE ON MUSLIMS .
This verse doesn’t ask the Muslims to
do mindless slaughter as the media
portrays or deceives. It gives the
Muslims the permission to fight only
those non-Muslims who do not pay
jizya – the state tax. And we all know
that jizya is applicable only in an
Islamic state. Neither India, nor US or
Britain are Islamic states. So to put this
verse as an excuse for what happened
there only shows how biased,
unknowledgable and unfair the media
is and it hurts us deeply.
I can show whole verses from other
scriptures that are truly inhuman, yet
no one questions them. Do you want a
sample? Ill give it to you at the end. I
promise.

________________
The messsage is clear!!! THE VERSE DOES NOT ASK THE
MUSLIMS TO DO FORCEFUL
CONVERSIONS!
Again, the verse permits the muslims to
fight the non –muslims in an islamic
state ONLY and ONLY if they refuse
to pay the jizya – Willingly . Re-read
the verse from ANY translation if you
are not sure. But once they pay the
jizya tax they can continue to believe in
their atheistic pagan beliefs, but it will
be under an Islamic state. You can still
forgive them by not forcing them into
Islam, nor oppressing them or being
bad to them because of their wrong
beliefs.




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Mr segun,QURAN NEVER SAYS TO KILL THE
DISBELIEVERS JUST BECAUSE THEY
DISBELIEVE.
This is not to you brother coz I consider
you as a truly respectable friend. To
others who read this article – I openly
challenge you to show me ONE verse
from the Quran which says to kill the
disbelievers just because they are
disbelievers. There are verses which
permit the Muslims to fight and kill
non-Muslims. But every time sensible
and reasonable conditions are laid. I
can show you all verses from other
religious scriptures where slaughtering
is done for reasons that are as silly and
stupid as honor, glory and greatness.
Sometimes for fun too. Wait till the
end of the article to have a sample.

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Bro segun, JIZYA ISN’T A RANSOM OR A BAD
THING..
Coming back to the verse, now people
might say isn’t it unfair that they have
to pay the jizya tax? Not really. Since
when is punishment for refusal to
pay lawful taxes considered as
terrorism? Also, the jizya tax is very
cheap and affordable, and it grants the
non-Muslim’s many benefits, benefits
which even the Muslims don’t get! For
instance, the non-Muslims who are
paying jizya in an Islamic state are
not obliged to take part in any battle
or war, unless they themselves
choose to , the Muslims do not have
this choice. Muslims have to actually
burn their asses out to protect both
Muslims and non-Muslims living in
their lands . Also if the Islamic state
cannot grant protection to the non-
Muslims then the non-Muslims are not
obliged to pay the jizya tax, since
Muslims themselves must meet
expectations for the jizya tax to be
implemented. Also, Society today has
no problem in paying taxes to the
government, so therefore they
should have no problem in paying a
tax in an Islamic state either.
There you go my friend, verse 9:29
doesn’t encourage the muslims to do
terrorism. It is a perfectly fair and just
verse. Just throw this article on the
face of anybody who tries to
misrepresent islam to you in the future.

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EVERY AUTHENTIC TRANSLATION
OF THE QURAN HAS THE WORD
“UNTIL” OR “TILL” IN THE VERSE 9:29
I could lay my hands on 7 different
english translations of the quran and
ALL OF THEM HAVE THE CONDITION:-
1. “[And] fight against those who –
despite having been vouchsafed
revelation [aforetime] – do not [truly]
believe either in God or the last Day,
and do not consider forbidden that
which God and His Apostle have
forbidden, and do not follow the
religion of truth [which God has
enjoined upon the], till they [agree to]
pay the exemption tax with a willing
hand, after having been humbled [in
war]” 9:29 Asad’s Translation
2. “Fight those people of the Book (Jews
and Christians) who do not believe in
Allah and the Last Day, do not refrain
from what has been prohibited by
Allah and His Rasool and do not
embrace the religion of truth (Al-Islam),
until they pay Jizya (protection tax)
with their own hands and feel
themselves subdued.” 9:29 Malik’s
Translation
3. “Fight those who believe not in Allah
nor the Last Day nor hold that
forbidden which hath been forbidden
by Allah and His apostle nor
acknowledge the religion of truth (even
if they are) of the People of the Book
until they pay the Jizya with willing
submission and feel themselves
subdued.” 9:29 Yusuf Ali’s Translation
4. “Fight against such of those who
have been given the Scripture as
believe not in Allah nor the Last Day,
and forbid not that which Allah hath
forbidden by His messenger, and follow
not the religion of truth, until they pay
the tribute readily, being brought
low.” 9:29 Pickthall’s Translation
5. “Fight against those who believe not
in Allâh, nor in the Last Day, nor forbid
that which has been forbidden by Allâh
and His Messenger and those who
acknowledge not the religion of truth
(i.e. Islâm) among the people of the
Scripture (Jews and Christians), until
they pay the Jizyah with willing
submission, and feel themselves
subdued.” 9:29 Muhsin Khan’s
Translation
6. “Fight those People of the Book who
do not believe in Allah, nor in the Last
Day, and do not take as unlawful what
Allah and His Messenger have declared
as unlawful, and do not profess the
Faith of Truth; (fight them) until they
pay jizyah with their own hands while
they are subdued.” 9:29 Mufti Taqi
Usmani’s Translation
7. “Fight those who do not believe in
Allah or in the Last Day and who do not
consider unlawful what Allah and His
Messenger have made unlawful and
who do not adopt the religion of truth
from those who were given the
Scripture – [fight] until they give the
jizyah willingly while they are
humbled.” 9:29 Sahih International
Translation



FIGHTING NEED NOT ALWAYS BE
PHYSICAL, IT CAN ALSO BE
INTELLECTUAL
------Finally, people might now say well isn’t
Islam violent because Muslims are
commanded to fight those who do not
believe in God and so on etc etc. Not
really, because fighting in this verse
does not explicitly mean physical
violence. Observe the words in the
above verses like “willingly”, “willing
submission”, “readily” etc. Here it is
spoken about bringing a change from
within the hearts of people which is
brought about intellectually . There
are many ways in which you fight
against somebody that does not involve
a physical aspect.

You can fight
someone with the tongue, using your
wisdom and telling him about the
truth, you are fighting against the lies
that person is propagating and
eventually with your tongue you will
speak the truth and crush his lies
leading him to the truth. So fighting
does not have to only be physical.


But alas! We totally over look these
things when we mindlessly base
allegations on the Quran. I never
comment on any religion until I have
read and understood ALL their
scriptures. I don’t just google out some
anti-religious sites to come up with
instant allegations. This is so unfair.
It is immature,bro.

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Now,debunking your claim of terrorism in the other verses:

I shall quote the verses you twisted and half-quoted in full. You shall see that there is no verse where Allah say ''kill those who don't attack you" ..the Quran only said Fight those who fight you,but WHEN THEY STOP,you must also stop!

See the verses,starting from the one you quoted:

“Fight in the cause of God ONLY THOSE WHO FIGHT YOU, but do not transgress
limits (stop fighting them when they stop fighting you); for God loveth not
transgressors. (The Noble Quran,
2:190)“
In the above verse,we see that Allah only orders muslims living during that time to:

1-fight those who fight them alone.
2- stop fighting when they also stop.

You see? Does this justify the mindless and barbaric and purposeless killings by boko haram and other extremists who are killing people who never initiated war with them..even killing Muslims?


“BUT IF THE ENEMIES INCLINE PEACE TOWARDS YOU, YOU MUST ALSO GIVE THEM PEACE; and trust in God: for He is One
that heareth and knoweth (all things).
(The Noble Quran, 8:61)“

The above verse made it clear. If they ensue peace and stop fighting you,fighting them is a great sin.

“If thou dost stretch thy hand against
me, to slay me, it is not for me to
stretch my hand against thee to slay
thee: for I do fear God, the cherisher of
the worlds. (The Noble Quran, 5:28)“

Read this one below very well. It is important:

“God does not forbid you from
showing kindness and dealing justly
with those who have not fought you
about religion and have not driven you
out of your homes. God loves just
dealers. (The Noble Quran, 60:“
This verse says Muslims living during that time are not forbidden from dealing well with those who did not fight them. The message here is; those who fight you alone,are those who you should fight. Eschew fighting those who do not fight you. Simple as that!!



“And fight them until persecution is no
more, and religion is for God. BUT IF THEY DESIST AND STOP FIGHTING, then let there be no
hostility except against wrongdoers.
(The Noble Quran 2:193)“
Allahu akbar..this verse has it all. It made it clear "fight them,but if they stop,you must not fight them"..
Quran never allows you to kill innocents people.. It is the maniacs who are hiding behind the veils of Islam that are denting the noble religion's image.

To end it all with the Verses:

“Let there be no compulsion in
religion: Truth stands out clear from
error: whoever rejects evil and
believes in Allah hath grasped the most
trustworthy handhold, that never
breaks. And Allah heareth and
knoweth all things. (The Noble Quran,
2:256)“

“Again and again will those who
disbelieve, wish that they had bowed
(to God’s will) in Islam. Leave them
alone, to enjoy (the good things of this
life) and to please themselves: let
(false) hope amuse them: soon will
knowledge (undeceive them). (The
Noble Quran, 15:2-3)“

“Say, ‘The truth is from your Lord’: Let
him who will believe, and let him
who will, reject (it):……(The Noble
Quran, 18:29)“


“If it had been thy Lord’s will, they
would all have believed,- all who are
on earth! wilt thou then COMPEL
mankind, against their will, to
believe! (The Noble Quran, 10:99)“
“Say: ‘Obey Allah, and obey the
Messenger: but if ye turn away, he is
only responsible for the duty placed on
him and ye for that placed on you. If
ye obey him, ye shall be on right
guidance. The Messenger’s duty is
only to preach the clear (Message).
(The Noble Quran, 24:54)“
“Say : O ye that reject Faith! I worship
not that which ye worship, Nor will ye
worship that which I worship. And I
will not worship that which ye have
been wont to worship, Nor will ye
worship that which I worship. To you
be your Way, and to me mine. (The
Noble Quran, 109:1-6)“
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Conclusion:

I can spend my entire life showing you
verses such as these that are littered
throughout the Quran which throw the
lie of terrorism out of the window.
You said “the alleged terrorizing verses”
of the quran are everywhere. i ask you
brother to point out EVERY such verse
from the Quran so that i can clear up
the matter with you. Google them out if
you want. I don’t care. But the truth is conspicuous.

"The quran never sanctions or condone terrorism" .

Thank you for your time,I hope you read my rebuttal with a candid heart,and I hope it clears the misconceptions about Islam out there.-----------

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Now,someone may ask;
"so,If we find no terrorism or violence upon the innocents,if the Quran never allow you to kill those who never fought you,THEN WHERE CAN WE FIND SUCH VERSES THAT ALLOWS PEOPLE TO KILL INNOCENTS FOR NO REASON?

My answer: just a tap on the link below will show you what you call "violence,murder,terrorism,carnage and pogrom" in the bible. Here the link is:

https://prophetrejectors./category/terrorisms-true-face/

FriendChoice:


If you believe because Jesus have no man as s father that is what makes him God or Begotten Son. I prepare to go with Adam peace be upon him, who have no man as a father nor woman as a mother. Between the birth of Jesus peace be upon him and the creation of Adam without father and mother which one is more miraculous?


Son of God Means Righteous Person.

"Ye men of Israel, hear these words; Jesus of Nazareth, a man approved of God among you by miracles and wonders and signs, which God did by him in the midst of you, as ye yourselves also know."
[The Bible, Acts 2:22]

According to the Bible every righteous person who follows the Commandments of God is referred to as ‘son of God’. If you're a righteous person, you're also a son of God. As the Bible says,

"For as many as are led by the Spirit of God, they are the sons of God." (Romans 8:14)
"That the sons of God saw the daughters of men " (Genesis 6:2).
"Israel is my son, even my firstborn" (Exodus 4:22).
"Ye are the children of God" (Deuteronomy 14:1).
"The Lord hath said unto me, (David) Thou art my
son: this day have I begotten thee" (Psalms 2:7).
"which (Adam) was the Son of God" (Luke 3:38).

But Christian Says No Jesus is Not a Normal Son But Begotten Son

Son is a metaphorical, not literal, descriptive term that is commonly used by the Jews to indicate closeness and affection to God. The authors of the New Testament used the same title of the Son of God to indicate closeness to God

God is not only his father, but also your father (Matthew 5:45 & 48).

When asked the meaning of the word ‘begotten’ the Christian will rarely be able to explain. Begetting is an animal act belonging to the animal function of sex. ‘Begotten’ means "sired".

The word "only begotten" exists only in the Gospel
according to John, only in the King James Version
(1:14, 1:18, 3:16, 3:18). Interestingly enough, this
word does not exist in the Revised Standard Version, New Revised Standard, or the World English Bible. Consequently, the two basic principles of Christianity, trinity and son of god, exist only in Gospel according to John and in First Epistle of John, only in the King James Version, a version that was described as having
grave defects.

The average Christian should have the right to ask why was the basics of my Christian faith deleted from later versions of the Bible and what happened to my faith?

Again the question is why this word, that is extremely important, was deleted from later Bibles?

But this is what Christians are made to believe in the churches without any references to the authenticity of the Gospels or to the different versions of the Bible.


The word "Begotten" Has Been Thrown Out Of The Bible:

The word ‘begotten’ mentioned in the Gospel of John, Chap 3 vs. 16 has been thrown out from the Revised Standard Version of the Bible as an interpolation, as a fabrication. The Revised Standard Version has been revised by 32 Christian Scholars of the highest eminence, backed by 50 different co-operating denominations and these Scholars have removed this blasphemous word without any ceremony as an interpolation, concoction, fabrication, and adulteration Yet the majority of Christians are unaware of this important fact because they do not read their own Bibles. The priests in their sermons continue to use this blasphemous verse and indoctrinate the masses with false teachings. So if you are still using this blasphemous word, please stop using it because it does NOT exist in the original manuscripts of the Bible and has been thrown out of the Bible.

I respect the fact, no insult in your reply unlike others, when you engage in discussions like this.

Why would I insult you? You seem to be a respectful person and even if you weren't, why should I debase myself?

I'm sorry it took me so long to reply; for some reason, I didn't see your post in my mentions. Anyway, I feel that @flamingREED has given you an excellent response and you must take of that what you will. You claimed that Jesus Christ never proclaimed to be the Son of God and I debunked that claim, using the very same Gospel that you used to support your argument.

Your comparison of Jesus Christ to Adam is rather risible. We both know the reason for why Adam has no mother or father so what do you think is the reason for Jesus not having an earthly father? Why would God make him to have an earthly mother but no father, except He is the Son of God. Mary the mother of Jesus herself said that she was carrying the Son of God. Jesus Christ is the Son of God.

Let's say, for argument's sake, that the phrase "Son of God", is a metaphor, like you said. Why, then, would Jesus allow a man to worship him? Is that not blasphemy? Also, why didn't God punish Jesus for allowing a man to worship him, like he did Moses? The answer is because Jesus Christ is Lord. God will not punish someone for worshipping Him.

Let me leave you with one of my favourite passages in the Holy Bible:

I advise you to read all of John 14 if you want to know whether Jesus was speaking metaphorically or not when He said that He is the Son of God but here are some passages from it.

John 14:6-12
6 Jesus saith unto him, I am the way, the truth, and the life: no man cometh unto the Father, but by me.

7 If ye had known me, ye should have known my Father also: and from henceforth ye know him, and have seen him.

8 Philip saith unto him, Lord, show us the Father, and it sufficeth us.

9 Jesus saith unto him, Have I been so long time with you, and yet hast thou not known me, Philip? he that hath seen me hath seen the Father; and how sayest thou then, Show us the Father?

10 Believest thou not that I am in the Father, and the Father in me? the words that I speak unto you I speak not of myself: but the Father that dwelleth in me, he doeth the works.

11 Believe me that I am in the Father, and the Father in me: or else believe me for the very works' sake.

12 Verily, verily, I say unto you, He that believeth on me, the works that I do shall he do also; and greater works than these shall he do; because I go unto my Father.

I want to direct you to verses 9, 10 and 11 in particular. Notice how Jesus says that the Father is in Him and He is in the Father- can a mere prophet say that? If He was just a prophet then wouldn't this be classed as blasphemy; wouldn't God punish Him for this, except He is Lord?

I will direct you to another one of my favourite Bible passages:

Matthew 16: 13-17
13 When Jesus came into the coasts of Caesarea Philippi, he asked his disciples, saying, Whom do men say that I the Son of man am?

14 And they said, Some say that thou art John the Baptist: some, Elias; and others, Jeremias, or one of the prophets.

15 He saith unto them, But whom say ye that I am?

16 And Simon Peter answered and said, Thou art the Christ, the Son of the living God.

17 And Jesus answered and said unto him, Blessed art thou, Simon Barjona: for flesh and blood hath not revealed it unto thee, but my Father which is in heaven.

If you accept Jesus as just a prophet then He will be a mere prophet to you but if you accept Him as your personal Lord and Saviour then He will save you from your sins.

Have a blessèd day brother!

Ngozi123:


Why would I insult you? You seem to be a respectful person and even if you weren't, why should I debase myself?

I'm sorry it took me so long to reply; for some reason, I didn't see your post in my mentions. Anyway, I feel that @flamingREED has given you an excellent response and you must take of that what you will. You claimed that Jesus Christ never proclaimed to be the Son of God and I debunked that claim, using the very same Gospel that you used to support your argument.

Your comparison of Jesus Christ to Adam is rather risible. We both know the reason for why Adam has no mother or father so what do you think is the reason for Jesus not having an earthly father? Why would God make him to have an earthly mother but no father, except He is the Son of God. Mary the mother of Jesus herself said that she was carrying the Son of God. Jesus Christ is the Son of God.

Let's say, for argument's sake, that the phrase "Son of God", is a metaphor, like you said. Why, then, would Jesus allow a man to worship him? Is that not blasphemy? Also, why didn't God punish Jesus for allowing a man to worship him, like he did Moses? The answer is because Jesus Christ is Lord. God will not punish someone for worshipping Him.

Let me leave you with one of my favourite passages in the Holy Bible:

I advise you to read all of John 14 if you want to know whether Jesus was speaking metaphorically or not when He said that He is the Son of God but here are some passages from it.

John 14:6-12
6 Jesus saith unto him, I am the way, the truth, and the life: no man cometh unto the Father, but by me.

7 If ye had known me, ye should have known my Father also: and from henceforth ye know him, and have seen him.

8 Philip saith unto him, Lord, show us the Father, and it sufficeth us.

9 Jesus saith unto him, Have I been so long time with you, and yet hast thou not known me, Philip? he that hath seen me hath seen the Father; and how sayest thou then, Show us the Father?

10 Believest thou not that I am in the Father, and the Father in me? the words that I speak unto you I speak not of myself: but the Father that dwelleth in me, he doeth the works.

11 Believe me that I am in the Father, and the Father in me: or else believe me for the very works' sake.

12 Verily, verily, I say unto you, He that believeth on me, the works that I do shall he do also; and greater works than these shall he do; because I go unto my Father.

I want to direct you to verses 9, 10 and 11 in particular. Notice how Jesus says that the Father is in Him and He is in the Father- can a mere prophet say that? If He was just a prophet then wouldn't this be classed as blasphemy; wouldn't God punish Him for this, except He is Lord?

I will direct you to another one of my favourite Bible passages:

Matthew 16: 13-17
13 When Jesus came into the coasts of Caesarea Philippi, he asked his disciples, saying, Whom do men say that I the Son of man am?

14 And they said, Some say that thou art John the Baptist: some, Elias; and others, Jeremias, or one of the prophets.

15 He saith unto them, But whom say ye that I am?

16 And Simon Peter answered and said, Thou art the Christ, the Son of the living God.

17 And Jesus answered and said unto him, Blessed art thou, Simon Barjona: for flesh and blood hath not revealed it unto thee, but my Father which is in heaven.

If you accept Jesus as just a prophet then He will be a


mere prophet to you but if you accept Him as your personal Lord and Saviour then He will save you from your sins.

Have a blessèd day brother!

If you read by previous explanations I have addressed this extensively, I don't think it will be fear enough to go back again and again on same issue, I clearly explain that the begotten son can only be found in only one type of Bible. In the revised version it's omitted.

The Christianity leaders have remove the begotten son
32 Christian Scholars of the highest eminence, backed by 50 different co-operating denominations and these Scholars have removed this blasphemous word.

So now I think we call the argument on that topic, I have made my point and you made yours. It's now the matter of do you agree or not.

As for me, Jesus, not only him Abraham, Jacob, Noah, and all of them peace be upon them are servant of God. Its an article of faith to believe in them. I am still standing on that. If you have any other question for the sake of comparative discussion either to Islam or Christianity is welcome.

To me every non Muslim is a potential Muslim. The truth shall come to you and you shall see the truth.

Ngozi123:


Why would I insult you? You seem to be a respectful person and even if you weren't, why should I debase myself?


Your comparison of Jesus Christ to Adam is rather risible. We both know the reason for why Adam has no mother or father so what do you think is the reason for Jesus not having an earthly father? Why would God make him to have an earthly mother but no father, except He is the Son of God. Mary the mother of Jesus herself said that she was carrying the Son of God. Jesus Christ is the Son of God.

Let's say, for argument's sake, that the phrase "Son of God", is a metaphor, like you said. Why, then, would Jesus allow a man to worship him? Is that not blasphemy? Also, why didn't God punish Jesus for allowing a man to worship him, like he did Moses? The answer is because Jesus Christ is Lord. God will not punish someone for worshipping Him.

Let me leave you with one of my favourite passages in the Holy Bible:

Quite impressive.

If all sisters were diligent in His word,
I'm sure the task would be easier all round.

I pray God assist you in such matters in which you're needing.
Amen.

flamingREED:


Quite impressive.

If all sisters were diligent in His word,
I'm sure the task would be easier all round.

I pray God assist you in such matters in which you're needing.
Amen.

Amen. Same to you brother.

FriendChoice:


If you read by previous explanations I have addressed this extensively, I don't think it will be fear enough to go back again and again on same issue, I clearly explain that the begotten son can only be found in only one type of Bible. In the revised version it's omitted.

The Christianity leaders have remove the begotten son
32 Christian Scholars of the highest eminence, backed by 50 different co-operating denominations and these Scholars have removed this blasphemous word.

So now I think we call the argument on that topic, I have made my point and you made yours. It's now the matter of do you agree or not.

As for me, Jesus, not only him Abraham, Jacob, Noah, and all of them peace be upon them are servant of God. Its an article of faith to believe in them. I am still standing on that. If you have any other question for the sake of comparative discussion either to Islam or Christianity is welcome.

To me every non Muslim is a potential Muslim. The truth shall come to you and you shall see the truth.

Listen, brother, I feel that you've completely missed the point here. Where in my post did I mention the word 'begotten'? I gave you evidence from the Gospels of Matthew and John that point to Jesus saying that He is the actual Son of God, not metaphorically speaking. I've already read your replies to me so I know what you've said. I really get the impression that you're clutching at straws here so I'll reiterate what I said before: read the whole of John 14 for clarification on this matter. Remember that it is from the same book that you used to defend your stance.

Like I said before, if you accept Jesus only as a prophet then that is what He'll be to you. However, if you accept Him as your personal Lord and Saviour then He will save you from your sins.

By the way, the only Bible that has the word 'begotten' in it is the KJV and it is regarded as the oldest and thus most accurate English translation. The word doesn't only have sexual connotations; 'to beget' means to 'bring forth (a child) through reproduction, which is not always related to sex. It could also mean 'to cause or bring about something'. So, both meanings are to do with 'bringing something into fruition'.

Like I said, Jesus said that He is in the Father (who both Muslims and Christians recognise as God), and the Father is in Him. Is this not a blasphemous comment to make? He allowed a man to worship Him and yet He was not punished by God. His disciple, Simon Peter, called Him his Saviour and instead of chastising him for this supposedly blasphemous comment, in your view, He rewarded him by making him the first warden of the Church. Why do you keep avoiding these questions?

Ngozi123:


Amen. Same to you brother.

Nevertheless,
I have somewhat against you

flamingREED:





Nevertheless,
I have somewhat against you

Pardon?

Ngozi123:


Pardon?

See these scriptures:

2 Timothy 2
4 No man that warreth entangleth himself with the affairs of this life; that he may please him who hath chosen him to be a soldier.

Those give the reasons just people don't do politics.

You seem to be unnecessarily active in its matters.

Rather we should effectively watch and effectively pray:

James 5
16 Confess your faults one to another, and pray one for another, that ye may be healed. The effectual fervent prayer of a righteous man availeth much.

flamingREED:


See these scriptures:

2 Timothy 2
4 No man that warreth entangleth himself with the affairs of this life; that he may please him who hath chosen him to be a soldier.

Those give the reasons just people don't do politics.

You seem to be unnecessarily active in its matters.

Rather we should effectively watch and effectively pray:

James 5
16 Confess your faults one to another, and pray one for another, that ye may be healed. The effectual fervent prayer of a righteous man availeth much.

If the righteous won't involve themselves in politics then it'll leave the wicked ones to effectively rule over everyone without any protest. That is the reason why Nigeria is in the mess that it is today. Too many good people shy away from politics, either thinking that their absence will make no difference or that they needn't involve themselves in the affairs of the people. We as Christians should fight for the Christian values of equality, fairness and justice in every aspect of our lives. I can't just sit back and watch this country devour itself. Remember that there are two types of evil: those who commit evil acts and those who allow others to commit evil without any protest. I pray for the world and its people but that doesn't stop me from actively trying to make a change in the world too.

To bam Islam won't be the outright solution. Those Muslim fanatics has been brain wash the only thing that needs to be done is to take them to rehabilitation center and work on their orientation and psychology.

mightykabex670:
EXPOSING THE HYPOCRISY OF THOSE WHO SAY ISLAM IS A RELIGION OF BLOODSHED AND WAR,DUE TO THE ZAMFARA MURDER OCCURENCE.



I find it pertinent to pen a reply to those islamophobic christians on nairaland who are screaming "Islam should be banned and eradicated" just because of the pragmatically "unislamic" slaughter that happened recently in Zamfara State.

This was posted by one of them;



To read more of the insulting,derogatory comments and profane remarks by the nairaland christians on Islam, click on the link: www.nairaland.com/3308629/zamfara-killings-case-blasphemy-false

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Now,should muslims be silent of this and watch? Why are we always attuned with every bad thing that happens in the country?


It amuses to see why people take so much pride in being idiocy-prone and loony. This is why some people will remain as naïve and mentally pernicious as ever.



Islam should be banned,just because murder activities where propagated in the north? what has islam got to do with the churlish and dastardly acts committed by northerners?



Now,WE MUSLIMS SHALL NOT BE SILENT ON THIS ISSUE. So,you are so ignorant of the atrocities committed throughout history by christians and weavers of biblical appellation and emblem? Should we ban christianity for the inhumane and disastrous acts met out upon mankind in the 11th century crusades that led to the death of over 39 million? The burning of jews and muslims in the mid east by christian fanatics in the 16 century by warmongers like attila the Hun,Pol and Ku Klux Klan? Or the hyper-bloody spree of slavery which the white missionaries condoned? Why is it that your never blamed christianity for the acts of Adolf hitler in the second world war,where he said he was only killing for christ? Or you don't know hitler was a christian? Confirm with this link: evilbible.com/hitler-was-a-christian

Now,should we ban the bible because it outrightly contains murder,genocide and terrorism verses commanding people to kill unbelievers and those who don't accept your faith? Let me show you briefly proofs that your bible praises and commands people to kill for God,and slaughter those who are not possessing your faith.

"ALL those who would not seek the LORD, the
God of Israel, were to be put to death,
whether small or great, man or woman.
(From the NIV Bible, 2 Chronicles 15:13)"

Now kill all the boys [innocent kids].
And kill every woman who has slept
with a man, but save for yourselves
every girl who has never slept with a
man. (Numbers 31:17-18)"

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It's odd how one of the 10
Commandments says "Thou shalt not
kill (or murder). (Exodus 20:13)", and
yet, the bible ordered the killing of
innocent children and non-virgin girls
by the mass!


"Your male and female slaves are to
come from the nations around you; from
them you may buy slaves. You may also
buy some of the temporary residents
living among you and members of their
clans born in your country, and they will
become your property. You can will
them to your children as inherited
property and can make them slaves for
life, but you must not rule over your
fellow Israelites ruthlessly. (From the NIV
Bible, Leviticus 25:44-46)"



imagine.. Bible even ordered christians to buy slaves. This is what the slave mongers of the catholic church used in enslaving africa,torturing and subjecting them to various forms of inhumane treatment,castration and killings.
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PEOPLE CANNOT FORGET WHAT CHRISTIANITY HAS DONE TO MANKIND. HISTORY IS A WITNESS.

This same bible even commanded christians to kill INFANTS,WOMEN AND MEN!! Samuel 15:2-4
2 Thus saith the LORD of hosts, I
remember that which Amalek did to
Israel, how he laid wait for him in the
way, when he came up from Egypt.
3 Now go and smite Amalek, and utterly
destroy all that they have, and spare
them not; but slay both man and
woman, infant and suckling, ox and
sheep, camel and ass.
4 And Saul gathered the people together,
and numbered them in Telaim, two
hundred thousand footmen, and ten
thousand men of Judah"




To make matters worse,bashing of infants and helpless babies were even supported by the bible. Look at how the bible gives A praise for dashing little children
against rocks as a form of revenge:
Psalm 137:8-9
8 O daughter of Babylon, O destroyed
one, O the happiness of him who
repayeth to thee thy deed, That thou
hast done to us.
9 O the happiness of him who doth
Seize and BASHED your BABIES
on the rock!" Woah... All in the "holy" bible. And you dare ask for the banning of the HOLY Islam?



Why do you think we never hear of countries practising christianic laws? At least,we have relatively peaceful states practising Islamic law and they are better off. Now,Why do you think no one has ever bothered to "christianize" or "biblicized" any nation? Why? It is due to the fact that christianity is based on brutal,murderous,wicked and wanton terrorism present in the bible. Who would want to establish a nation on the decrees of a book that says you must cut off a woman's hand for helping her husband? Oh,sounds wierd,hun? To confirm,go and read the book of Dueteronomy 25:11-12.



If an atheist criticizes islam,it will not be surprising. Because they don't believe in the supernatural. But for christians to criticize islam,is where the hypocrisy lies.

What does the Holy Islam teaches about good morals and eshewing murderous acts?





Let's compare this with what GOD
Almighty Truly Said in the Noble Quran:
"On that account: We ordained for the
Children of Israel that if any one slew a
person - unless it be for murder or for
spreading mischief in the land - it would
be as if he slew the whole people: and
if any one saved a life, it would be as if
he saved the life of the whole people.
Then although there came to them Our
apostles with clear signs, yet, even after
that, many of them continued to commit
excesses in the land. (The Noble Quran,
5:32)"



While the value of the human's life is
easily compromised in the bible, the
Noble Quran Holds it in the highest
regard. And here,someone is wailing for the banning of our religion,when yours is in no way better.


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ISLAM IS A RELIGION OF PEACE AND GOOD MORAL PRECEPTS;
Allah said: Noble Verse 23:96 "Repel evil with that
which is best: We are Well-acquainted
with the things they say."

Noble Verse 41:34 "Nor can goodness
and evil be equal. Repel (evil) with that
is better: Then will he between whom
and thee was hatred become as it were
thy friend and intimate!."


"Those who spend (freely), whether in
prosperity, or in adversity; who restrain
anger, and pardon (all) men; for Allah
loves those who do good. (The Noble
Quran, 3:134)"
"Hold to forgiveness; command what is
right; but turn away from the ignorant.
(The Noble Quran, 7:199)"

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Numerous proofs to portray islam as a religion of peace. We are not terrorists and we don't support those who kill innocents in the name of Islam. Why must you hasten to tag any killing in the north with islam? The people were killed for blaspheming against the prophet,yet,Islam condemns your from killing anyone. Even if he insults God. It is the bible that says KILL those who blaspheme:

"Those who
blaspheme God will suffer the
consequences of their guilt and be
punished. Anyone who blasphemes the
LORD’s name MUST BE BRUTALLY KILLED by
the whole communityl. Anybody among you who
blasphemes the LORD’s name will surely
die. (Leviticus 24:10-16 NLT)
WOW!! Is this not what happened at Zamfara? They were actually following biblical orders afterall. Not Islam's.



To end it all;
I came here to read the news and not insult anyone's faith. But the incessant disdainful remarks from christians regarding the beautiful religion of Islam is getting out of hands. Islam is a religion of Peace. You should NEVER condemn a religion with the people,fallible humans,practsing it. Islam is divine,the people are mortal and vain.



In a nutshell;
The Bible as shown above is responsible
for so much blood shed, pedophilia,
murders and terrorism. Yet, we don't see
any Christian minister (who is very
knowledgeable about the book) say
anything about it.


But when Muslims do
commit killing, such as what happened
on 9/11, then Hell breaks loose and
everyone becomes peaceful and a
preacher, and Islam is the only evil thing
out there, even though Islam is truly the
BEST Peaceful and Just Divine Religion
out there if it's practiced right. Such
hypocrisy, lies and deceptions by the
ministers and other Islamphobics only
survives with the "dumb, deaf and blind
(2:18)" as Allah Almighty called them in
the Noble Quran. But to the reasonable
and just people, the Truth is always
realized, whether it is sooner or later.

Indeed,Allah knows best.

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Another satans agent on the loose. Instead of criticising the evil deeds of his brothers, he came here to praise them, justify them and encourage them to kill more people in the name of religion